Linux-Advocacy Digest #617, Volume #26 Sat, 20 May 00 17:13:08 EDT
Contents:
Re: Ten Reasons Why Linux Sucks (JEDIDIAH)
Re: There is NO reason to use Linux...It just STINX (JEDIDIAH)
Re: There is NO reason to use Linux...It just STINX (JEDIDIAH)
Re: There is NO reason to use Linux...It just STINX (JEDIDIAH)
Is OpenGL hardware accelerated? (Andreas Rottmann)
Re: Why my company will NOT use Linux (JEDIDIAH)
Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux (David Steuber)
Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux (David Steuber)
Re: Microsoft finally gets the idea... almost (JEDIDIAH)
Re: Things Linux can't do! ("Stephen S. Edwards II")
Re: Things Linux can't do! (Charlie Ebert)
Re: Things Linux can't do! (JEDIDIAH)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Subject: Re: Ten Reasons Why Linux Sucks
Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 20:46:36 GMT
On Sat, 20 May 2000 00:27:23 -0400, Jim Ross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>JEDIDIAH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> On Thu, 18 May 2000 20:36:57 -0400, Jim Ross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
>> >
>> >Brian Langenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> >news:8g0sl1$q5j$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >> Jim Ross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[deletia]
>
>Thread support seems more mature.
Thread support NEEDS to be. There's no other effective method
to achieve concurrency under NT. However, this is quite
disputable.
>At the Linux Business Expo at Comdex, someone I can't remeber his name
>was giving a talk who was from CodeWeavers. They use Wine, but focus on
>the porting of Windows apps to Linux. He mentioned the missing calls that
>are powerful in
>the Windows API that are missing from Linux, thus causing many problems. He
That sounds more like someone who can't quite make the shift from
one enviroment to another more than anything else. Although, it's
quite hard to tell in the total absence of ANY useful detail.
>mentioned the
>name of a call specificaly which I can't remember (hey I don't program),
>but it was basically a "wait for multiple events" thread that Linux lacks
>and it hinders porting.
>I understand 3D support lags behind that of NT a fair amount.
Actually, it's NT in general that LAGS in 'gaming support'.
This annoys gamers and game programmers to no end.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Subject: Re: There is NO reason to use Linux...It just STINX
Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 20:52:22 GMT
On Sat, 20 May 2000 03:54:39 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Total investment over 5 years:
>
>$89.00 Windows 98
>Nothing for Windows 98SE (online update)
>$149 Win 2000
NT5 actually costs $275 as did NTW4 before it.
>
>So that's $238 over 5 years which amounts to $47.00 per year.
That's still more that $0.
>
>I have spent far more on Linux distributions, books and such in that
>span of time and gotten far less USEFUL stuff.
I've never bought a single Linux book. I only bought an
official distribution ONCE by choice. Even in 1994, there
were low cost options. Now, high speed net access and CD
burners are so cheap that there's no good reason anyone
should be paying more than they want for a copy of Linux.
[deletia]
To use NAT+DHCPd as an example: one could either spend the extra
money to upgrade WinDOS or just get a small dedicated box for about
the same price & then not need to depend on some client box for
everyone else's net connectivity.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Subject: Re: There is NO reason to use Linux...It just STINX
Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 20:55:03 GMT
On Sat, 20 May 2000 19:26:53 GMT, Robert L. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a �crit dans le message news:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Total investment over 5 years:
>>
>> $89.00 Windows 98
>> Nothing for Windows 98SE (online update)
>> $149 Win 2000
>>
>> So that's $238 over 5 years which amounts to $47.00 per year.
>>
>> I have spent far more on Linux distributions, books and such in that
>> span of time and gotten far less USEFUL stuff.
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 20 May 2000 01:12:28 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On Sat, 20 May 2000 00:31:39 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >>Try Linux, that is all I ask. Try Suse, Caldera, Redhat,
>> >>Mandrake,Slackware, Corel, whatever, for yourself.
[deletia]
>For Linux...
>0$ A lot of thing we can get at rpmfind. Plus games at freshmeat. etc...
>0$ StarOffice.
>
>The problem, is I want to play TR3 and Simcity 3000 on Linux. If big
>companies can think of Linux......
??? You can already order SimCity 3000 straight from Loki.
Plus, it will include the new add-on pack....
Terminus just went Gold BTW...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Subject: Re: There is NO reason to use Linux...It just STINX
Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 20:55:51 GMT
On Sat, 20 May 2000 17:40:14 GMT, whistler <blahblah> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>>
>>> And who in their right mind needs such stuff?
>>>
>>> Geek crap.
>>
>> Anyone who intends on doing some serious stuff with their computer.
>
>The problem is with the word "serious". It is redefined for each and every
>user of a PC.
Then amend that to include Star Office and a demo copy of Myth II.
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From: Andreas Rottmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Is OpenGL hardware accelerated?
Date: 20 May 2000 22:44:42 +0200
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus) writes:
>
> > > > : 3. A DirectX-like platform for hardware-accelerated devices, not
> > > > : necessarily at the kernel level;
>
> > > > Whats wrong with OpenGL?
>
> > > The fact that it's not hardware-accelerated?
>
> > Of course it is hardware accelerated.
>
> No. It isn't.
>
> It may have the potential to be accelerated at some point in the
> future, but, as of this writing, it is not. NVIDIA has flatly stated
> that they will not be doing hardware-accelerated OpenGL until XF86
> 4.0. As XF86 4.0 is not the official XF86 at this point, there is
> not, officially, any hardware-accelerated OpenGL at this point.
>
What about Mesa-Glide?
> > The entire idea of OpenGL is wrapping hardware
> > acceleration. Everything in the OpenGL API is centred around making
> > effective hardware accelerated implementations possible.
>
> Actually, I think the entire idea of OpenGL is making available a
> high-level 3D API to the user.
>
But some part of OpenGL can be delegated to 3D hardware.
Andy
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Pfeilgasse 4-6/725, A-1080 Wien, Austria, Europe
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why my company will NOT use Linux
Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 21:00:04 GMT
On Sat, 20 May 2000 14:49:31 GMT, Otto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>"JEDIDIAH" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>: On Fri, 19 May 2000 02:21:08 GMT, Matt Soltysiak
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>: >Ok, I think you're not understanding the whole picture. First off, why
>does
>: >Windows inhabit 80% of all modern computers in the world? That one is
>pretty
>:
>: Nope. It's because Windows was originally DOS, the OS of the IBM
>: microcomputer. The good name of IBM ensured the success of DOS
>: with which Microsoft could use to force Windows onto everyone.
>
>The man in black theory again :)? Nobody was/is forced to use Windows.
What else were the PC VARs offering them?
>
>: Apple got that 'easy' thing right a FUCKING WHOLE DECADE before
>: Microsoft did...
>: ...a lot of good that did Apple.
>
>Oh yes, the arrogant Apple at that time. They didn't care about the personal
>use of the PCs since they had all of the of the fat government contracts. Do
>you see now why Windows became popular?
No. The Apple ran circles around DOS kludge klones. Compare like
brand name hardware and the prices weren't even THAT different.
If anyone should have won the market 'based on price' it should
have been Atari or Commodore.
Apples still manage to outperform DOS kludge klones when it comes
to end user usability.
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In what language does 'open' mean 'execute the evil contents of' |||
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Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux
From: David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 20:59:58 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus) writes:
' > A killer app is something that most computer users will find
' > useful.
'
' Of course Apache is a killer app.
As is KDE ;-)
--
David Steuber | Hi! My name is David Steuber, and I am
NRA Member | a hoploholic.
All bits are significant. Some bits are more significant than others.
-- Charles Babbage Orwell
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Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux
From: David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 20:59:59 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus) writes:
' It was the Fri, 19 May 2000 07:00:00 GMT...
' ...and David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
' > I don't consider GTK-- to be a class library. It is just a wrapper
' > for GTK. Not the same thing really now, is it? Not that GTK is a bad
' > thing. After all, there is a port of GIMP for Windows.
'
' Have you used GTK-- or even only read the description? Of course it
' wraps GTK+ in its core. But it's got everything you can expect from a
' C++ class library: namespaces, inheritance, easy construction of new
' widgets, stuff like that, and a real neat wrapper around GTK+ signals
' that's supposed to be conceptually clean without requiring a kluge
' such as MOC.
I looked at it a while back. Perhaps it was too long ago to be a fair
comparison. I'll look at it again. If it can do all the Qt things
just as well, perhaps I will switch.
There is a limit to the number of class libraries I can learn. I only
plan to use one for application development in an X environment.
--
David Steuber | Hi! My name is David Steuber, and I am
NRA Member | a hoploholic.
All bits are significant. Some bits are more significant than others.
-- Charles Babbage Orwell
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft finally gets the idea... almost
Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 21:04:54 GMT
On Sun, 21 May 2000 06:29:43 +1000, Christopher Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>"Colin R. Day" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Christopher Smith wrote:
>>
>>
>> >
>> > I don't know of any Windows mailers that automatically execute
>executable
>> > content either, but that wasn't the issue.
>> >
>> > The issue was the blurring of the distinction between apps and
>documents,
>> > something pioneered by the MacOS. It's generally considered to be A
>Good
>> > Thing
>>
>> Considered by whom?
>
>Most people pushing/using/advocating "modern" and "intuitive" interfaces
>(KDE, GHOME, Wndows, MacOS, BeOS, OS/2 et al).
>
>Basically, everyone except Unix users :D.
What's so "intuitive" about dumbing people down to the point
where they can't even understand the idea of a trojan anymore?
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In what language does 'open' mean 'execute the evil contents of' |||
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From: "Stephen S. Edwards II" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Things Linux can't do!
Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 13:54:31 -0700
Reply-To: "Stephen S. Edwards II" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
abraxas wrote in message <8g6q6g$9im$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>In comp.os.linux.advocacy Charlie Ebert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> OH please! Stephen want's proof that NT or W2K blue screen.
*sigh* He _STILL_ doesn't get it. No matter. I *PLOINK!*'ed the
little wank minutes ago.
>Although I have no hard evidence (I didnt take pictures), the second
>time W2K professional bluescreened on this very desktop machine,
>I let linux finally eat its partition in favor of a nice devel
>ext2fs.
>
>My S.O.s laptop (running W2K professional as well) has now
>bluescreened 4 times, twice while trying to quite RealPlayer.
>(trying to quit IE was what did it the first time on my desktop
>machine). Luckily the last couple of bluescreens on that laptop
>havent been as bad as the first (when I horror of horrors, plugged
>a USB mouse into the machine) which resulted in a 'NO KERNEL FOUND'
>(or something very close to that) error apon reboot.
The only thing I can suggest is that you perhaps have a look
at the Microsoft knowledge base for answers. There might
be some driver problems that you are not aware of.
Is your laptop using an ATI display adapter? IME, those are
the worst of the lot.
>I hate windows, and heres why:
>
>It dies, and it dies often. And when it dies, it takes all your
>work with it.
That's fine. However, I must say that the reason why I dislike
Linux is because ext2 has died on me several times, taking all
of my work away. Yes, as Bob Hauck pointed out, that was 4 years
ago. Since then, I've learned what a fantastic OS WindowsNT really
is, and, just like you, I have no intention of going back to my
previous OS of choice.
As Christopher pointed out, I find it odd that nobody that I
know of that uses either Windows9x, or WindowsNT ever notes
that they've had any troubles with them (and I'm usually the
first person my friends come to).
On EFNet WindowsNT, the most you ever see are people with
configuration questions. On EFNet #Linux, you see a lot
of people having difficulty getting hardware and software
to work together properly.
>I like linux and heres why:
>
>It doesnt die.
>
>I like BeOS more than linux and heres why:
>
>It doesnt die, and its really good at multimedia.
BeOS is probably one of the most tragic OS stories around. If
companies like NewTek, and Matrox had taken it more seriously
(as I think they should have), it might have given WindowsNT
one hell of a run for its money, in the multimedia niche.
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.-----.
|[_] :| Stephen S. Edwards II | NetBSD: Free of hype and license.
| = :| "Artificial Intelligence -- The engineering of systems that
| | yield results such as, 'The answer is 6.7E23... I think.'"
|_..._| [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.primenet.com/~rakmount
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From: Charlie Ebert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Things Linux can't do!
Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 21:07:00 GMT
Christopher Smith wrote:
>
> "abraxas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:8g6q6g$9im$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > In comp.os.linux.advocacy Charlie Ebert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > OH please! Stephen want's proof that NT or W2K blue screen.
> >
> > Although I have no hard evidence (I didnt take pictures), the second
> > time W2K professional bluescreened on this very desktop machine,
> > I let linux finally eat its partition in favor of a nice devel
> > ext2fs.
> >
> > My S.O.s laptop (running W2K professional as well) has now
> > bluescreened 4 times, twice while trying to quite RealPlayer.
> > (trying to quit IE was what did it the first time on my desktop
> > machine). Luckily the last couple of bluescreens on that laptop
> > havent been as bad as the first (when I horror of horrors, plugged
> > a USB mouse into the machine) which resulted in a 'NO KERNEL FOUND'
> > (or something very close to that) error apon reboot.
>
> I always find it amazing that this sort of thing:
> a) *Never* happens to anyone I know
> b) Always seems to happen to faceless people on usenet who spend most of
> their time cursing Microsoft.
>
> I'm thinking my WindowsAI theory might be right :).
If you've NEVER got a Microsoft product to blue screen then
what are you doing with it?
We'd be curious?
Charlie
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Things Linux can't do!
Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 21:06:34 GMT
On Sun, 21 May 2000 06:32:03 +1000, Christopher Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>"abraxas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:8g6q6g$9im$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Charlie Ebert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> > OH please! Stephen want's proof that NT or W2K blue screen.
>>
>> Although I have no hard evidence (I didnt take pictures), the second
>> time W2K professional bluescreened on this very desktop machine,
>> I let linux finally eat its partition in favor of a nice devel
>> ext2fs.
>>
>> My S.O.s laptop (running W2K professional as well) has now
>> bluescreened 4 times, twice while trying to quite RealPlayer.
>> (trying to quit IE was what did it the first time on my desktop
>> machine). Luckily the last couple of bluescreens on that laptop
>> havent been as bad as the first (when I horror of horrors, plugged
>> a USB mouse into the machine) which resulted in a 'NO KERNEL FOUND'
>> (or something very close to that) error apon reboot.
>
>I always find it amazing that this sort of thing:
>a) *Never* happens to anyone I know
This sort of behaivor would infact be consistent with
Microsoft's behaivor with respect to discouraging NT5
as a personal use desktop.
>b) Always seems to happen to faceless people on usenet who spend most of
>their time cursing Microsoft.
>
>I'm thinking my WindowsAI theory might be right :).
Why dissuade the masses unless NT5 isn't quite up to the onslaught?
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