Linux-Advocacy Digest #674, Volume #26 Thu, 25 May 00 00:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: Microsoft W2K lack of goals. (Craig Kelley)
Re: Fun with Brain Dead Printers. (Leslie Mikesell)
Re: There is NO reason to use Linux...It just STINX ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Advocacy or Mental Illness ? (JEDIDIAH)
Re: Fun with Brain Dead Printers. (JEDIDIAH)
Re: how to configure corel linux boot to GUI? (JEDIDIAH)
Re: Linux will never progress beyond geekdome ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux (Jim Richardson)
Re: how to enter a bug report against linux? (Leslie Mikesell)
Re: how to configure corel linux boot to GUI? ("Rich C")
Re: There is NO reason to use Linux...It just STINX ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Fun with Brain Dead Printers. (Bloody Viking)
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Subject: Re: Microsoft W2K lack of goals.
From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 24 May 2000 20:58:54 -0600
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (abraxas) writes:
> abraxas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Drestin Black <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> you wish.
>
> > I *know*. You have continued to show a consistent refusal to
> > back up your insinuation that you know anything at all about
> > linux at all, and tend to use the ever-brilliant "oh yeah, well
> > what do you know about windows?" argument.
>
> Pardon the redundancy, I quit drinking coffee last thursday.
>
> :)
A recent study shows that coffee reduces the risk for Parkinson's
disease by up to 500%. :)
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Fun with Brain Dead Printers.
Date: 24 May 2000 22:01:10 -0500
In article <Ei_W4.34$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Bloody Viking <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In comp.os.linux.advocacy Paul Voller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>[about staircase and X]
>
>Thanks. I was simply trying to make it print plaintext, the thing I use
>the most. I succeeded after the clues were provided, i.e. "\r\n" in a C
>programme.
>
>: Hope this helps! And good luck in getting it to print Postscript :-)
>
>Now, that's a challenge! This printer is pretty flaky. It waits in a
>standby state until used, and it creates another challenge for me to
>solve. :) When "woken up" this printer ignores the whole first line to be
>printed. Maybe a line of a few blanks for the first print will suffice.
>But this means finding a way to let Linux know it's in standby.
Most printers can't print on the page margins - you need about a
half inch of space there.
>Once you do that with the printer, you then have to create the Postscript
>to Brain-Dead_Printer driver.
That's known as ghostscript, and is probably included with your
Linux distribution. RedHat gives you a nice fill-out-the-form
setup. With other systems you may have to glue the filter
commands into the printcap file yourself.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: There is NO reason to use Linux...It just STINX
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 22:26:33 -0600
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Sounds like you have already tried to install Linux. You seem to know
> all of it's faults all too well.
>
> Speak from experience do we?
You betcha!
Started with Slackware back in '94 and toyed with Suse
and RedHat ever since.
Learned more about PCs, hardware & and networking with Linux than
with all of M$'$ dos-guis.
Besides, I have to use NT all day at work...
along with Solaris 7.0 (!!!)
Its nice to come home to a comfortable work environment...
-- Linux on a Packard Bell?
Yep: Three of 'em!
||
o-----<(RH6.2)>-----o
>
>
> On Tue, 23 May 2000 22:16:51 -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>wrote:
>>> Try Linux, that is all I ask. Try Suse, Caldera, Redhat,
>>> Mandrake,Slackware, Corel, whatever, for yourself.
>>>
>>> Try it and compare it to the Windows that you now use. A current
>>> edition of Windows, not Windows 95 or 98 without updates. This is a
>>> favorite trick of the LinoScrews, to compare a current version of
>>> Linux to an outdated version of Windows. Terry "The porter" Porter is
>>> an expert at this method.
>>>
>>>
>>> Try Linux, please try it. Decide for yourself. And then please come
>>> back here and post your experiences with Linux.
>>>
>>>
>>Wassa matter win-boy?
>>-- Installataion problems?
>>-- Too much text and not enough
>> animated paper clips, dogs, etc...?
>>-- Can't get your nic or sound card to work?
>> ((sniff...sniffle)bwah-ha-ha-ha!)
>>-- Mwhaaaaa...my cdrom is not detected!!
>>-- 10101010101010101
>> 10101010101010101
>> 1010101010101010110
>>Haahahahahahahaha!!
>>-- Oh..and can't burn a cdrw? yahahahahahah!
>>Forget linux. You're too advanced for an OS probably
>>older than you (or your mentality).
>>
>>
>>> If you like Linux, great, you have found a new life. If you hate
>>> Linux, let us know why.
>>>
>>> Try Linux and see for yourself....
>>>
>>> Simon
>>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Subject: Re: Advocacy or Mental Illness ?
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 03:30:09 GMT
On Thu, 25 May 2000 02:28:24 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>It's amazing how twisted the folks around here are. Linux is a stone
>age system that quite frankly the public at large, at least in the
>USA, has ignored and continues to ignore.
That's rather perverse considering the one that has the
CP/M & DOS heritage. There's nothing 'stone age' about
Unix except for the fact that Win/DOS was in the stone
age when Unix was running on hardware comparable to
current machines.
>
>Think about it. Person goes into CompUSA with $100 and is confronted
>with Windows for $89.00 and Linux for $29.00 or better yet for free.
>Yet they go for Windows every time based on market share.
>
>They can't even GIVE LINUX AWAY!!!!
Those that track such numbers seem to think that Linux
is doing quite well for itself in terms of sales.
[deletia]
How far into the 21st century will it be before DOS is finally
killed off once and for all?
--
In what language does 'open' mean 'execute the evil contents of' |||
a document? --Les Mikesell / | \
Need sane PPP docs? Try penguin.lvcm.com.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Fun with Brain Dead Printers.
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 03:31:26 GMT
On Thu, 25 May 2000 02:33:39 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>You have a brain dead operating system, not a brain dead printer.
>
>Linux is braindead.
>
>
>Your printer works fine under Windows...
No, the printer is acting as if DOS is the only OS on the
face of the planet. It is not. It would have the same
problem with a machine that's even 'superior' by your
own standards (if you were sincere about them): the Macintosh.
>
>
>
>
>On Wed, 24 May 2000 05:14:05 GMT, Bloody Viking <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>I got a new black and white cartridge for an NEC Superscript 150C today. I
>>also bought some (Winblows) cheque-cutting software. So, I installed the
>>cheque-cut-ware in Winblows, and started playing with the printer. OK, in
>>Winblows it works fine, and it will manufacture cheques. (cut checks)
>>
>>Next, I played with QBASIC and the printer again works fine.
>>
>>Now, the fun part. In DOS, I made a test text file (test.txt) and booted
>>up Linux. Using good old LPR to print with, I got this output:
>>
>>Printing the DOS file in Linux, I get this:
>>
>>
>>2
>>3
>>4
>>5
>>
>>testing printer.
>>
>>Note that the DOS file has a 1 at the start which was not printed.
>>
>>When printing with LPR the Linux test.txt file, I get.... THIS!
>>
>>1
>> 2
>> 3
>> 4
>> 5
>> test of printer.
>>
>>Obviously I have one brain-dead printer! Even funnier, before I fired up
>>that cheque-cut-ware, any attempt to print from Linux just resulted in
>>formfeeding a blank page!
>>
>>I guess I'll have to play around with C like how I once played around with
>>a Commodore's BASIC to hack a printer, like to find the graphics character
>>whereby the next byte is printed as binary with the ons and offs to make
>>graphics.
>>
>>What does DOS use as a newline? Certainly not what UNIX uses as a newline
>>character in the original binary. I guess since I don't have money to
>>blow, I'll have to make this near-paperweight of a printer work.
>>
>>Don't you just love brain-dead printers?
>
--
In what language does 'open' mean 'execute the evil contents of' |||
a document? --Les Mikesell / | \
Need sane PPP docs? Try penguin.lvcm.com.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Subject: Re: how to configure corel linux boot to GUI?
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 03:33:34 GMT
On Thu, 25 May 2000 02:32:15 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>And if it's not documented you are screwed...Typical Linoshit..Read
That's true of things in general. My peeve for the week
is the ICL file format.
>this read that read everything to accomplish which would normally be
>an easy task.
This is rather Odd considering that you would have to go
through the same sort of process to do the same sort of
thing under WinDOS.
>
>Linux is a waste of time.
>
>
>On 24 May 2000 07:08:02 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marada C.
>Shradrakaii) wrote:
>
>>>did any body know how to install corel linux to boot to GUI. When ever
>>>i install corel linux, it boot to console every time. i try to
>>>reinstall the corel linux, same problem appear.
>>>
>>>Can somebody help me PLEASSSSSSSSE, thanks.
>>
>>Look at the file /etc/inittab.
>>
>>If you're lucky, it's documented. There should be a line saying something like
>>
>>id:3:initdefault
>>
>>(It may be punctuated slightly differently, and the number may vary)
>>
>>The file may indicate which runlevel number starts X automatically (look for
>>words like X or xdm or kdm), and replace the number in the 'initdefault' line
>>(the '3' in my example) with its number.
>
--
In what language does 'open' mean 'execute the evil contents of' |||
a document? --Les Mikesell / | \
Need sane PPP docs? Try penguin.lvcm.com.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux will never progress beyond geekdome
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 03:28:35 GMT
Yawn. Go home little boy. Or get a recient version of Linux. Or try
Corel for ease of install. But hey, If you judge an OS by it's install,
you are just being STUPID.
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Sorry Unix/Linux geeks.. but Windows Wins.. I just installed Red Splat
> Linux and really had to brush the dust off the Unix memories to get it
> running. I'm so sure that your average user can wade through a Linux
> install and deal with all those Unix-ie messages! Not. Windows has
> NOTHING to fear until Linux can overcome its Unix-ness.
>
> Phtttt.
>
>
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Richardson)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 18:58:32 -0700
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, 24 May 2000 13:00:01 GMT,
David Steuber, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
brought forth the following words...:
>Maciej Golebiewski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>' How often the makefiles provide the "uninstall" target, too? Or at least
>' a script for un-installing? Otherwise, over the time and number of upgrades
>' to newer versions comprised of different files, you're accumulating
>' "abandoned"
>' files.
>
>It does happen. I don't know what percentage of makefiles provide
>that or a simiar target. Most produce a single executable image that
>is easy to dispose of.
>
>' RPM is not perfect but it is quite OK. It's just that the guys creating rpm
>' not always can get the dependencies right. Personally one of my favourite
>' query options in rpm is -q -f to instantly get the name of the package
>' "owning" a specific file. I love it.
>
>What do you do when two packages claim ownership of the same file?
The only way you get this, is if you forced the install of one of the
packages over the complaints of rpm. Do you meant what happens when two or
more packages rely on a given file? if so, that's a different issue.
>
>--
>David Steuber | Hi! My name is David Steuber, and I am
>NRA Member | a hoploholic.
>
>All bits are significant. Some bits are more significant than others.
> -- Charles Babbage Orwell
--
Jim Richardson
Anarchist, pagan and proud of it
WWW.eskimo.com/~warlock
Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: how to enter a bug report against linux?
Date: 24 May 2000 22:48:30 -0500
In article <8ghs1s$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <s@-> wrote:
>I tell you, based on the answers I see here, I just wonder
>how Linux even works based on the type of people who seem
>to work on it. It seems like the most sloppy development
>software project ever created, and it seems to attract
>the kind of programmers to have no clue about what is
>software engineering is all about.
The odd thing is that it actually is as good as most
commercial software that goes through the proper
formalities. The problem is that every user has
to discover the remaining problems the hard way.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Rich C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: how to configure corel linux boot to GUI?
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 00:04:27 -0400
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> And if it's not documented you are screwed...Typical Linoshit..Read
> this read that read everything to accomplish which would normally be
> an easy task.
>
> Linux is a waste of time.
>
Oh, and your presence in this ng isn't a waste of time? (yours AND ours.)
If YOU spent half as much time learning Linux as you spend trashing it in
this ng, you would have a smooth running, highly tweaked system that would
be the envy of most Linux users; you would be praising Linux for the stable,
efficient, technically superior operating system that it is; and, best of
all, people would actually RESPECT your opinions.
The init level for booting to X by default is 5. Change the 3 to a 5 in your
/etc/inittab file, but ONLY after you have made sure you have a stable X
configuration. Otherwise, you won't be able to do anything if you boot to X
automatically, and X doesn't work for some reason. (Most distros, however,
have a utility enabled (I forget what the name is) that will stop a process
that restarts too fast or too often for a period of time (usually 5 minutes)
so it doesn't tie up the system dying and restarting.)
[snip]
--
Rich C.
"Great minds discuss ideas.
Average minds discuss events.
Small minds discuss people."
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: There is NO reason to use Linux...It just STINX
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 04:02:32 GMT
Pack-Hard Bell says it all.
You need not say another word :(
On Wed, 24 May 2000 22:26:33 -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> Sounds like you have already tried to install Linux. You seem to know
>> all of it's faults all too well.
>>
>> Speak from experience do we?
>
>You betcha!
>Started with Slackware back in '94 and toyed with Suse
>and RedHat ever since.
>Learned more about PCs, hardware & and networking with Linux than
>with all of M$'$ dos-guis.
>Besides, I have to use NT all day at work...
>along with Solaris 7.0 (!!!)
>Its nice to come home to a comfortable work environment...
>
>-- Linux on a Packard Bell?
> Yep: Three of 'em!
>
> ||
> o-----<(RH6.2)>-----o
>
>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 23 May 2000 22:16:51 -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>>>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>wrote:
>>>> Try Linux, that is all I ask. Try Suse, Caldera, Redhat,
>>>> Mandrake,Slackware, Corel, whatever, for yourself.
>>>>
>>>> Try it and compare it to the Windows that you now use. A current
>>>> edition of Windows, not Windows 95 or 98 without updates. This is a
>>>> favorite trick of the LinoScrews, to compare a current version of
>>>> Linux to an outdated version of Windows. Terry "The porter" Porter is
>>>> an expert at this method.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Try Linux, please try it. Decide for yourself. And then please come
>>>> back here and post your experiences with Linux.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Wassa matter win-boy?
>>>-- Installataion problems?
>>>-- Too much text and not enough
>>> animated paper clips, dogs, etc...?
>>>-- Can't get your nic or sound card to work?
>>> ((sniff...sniffle)bwah-ha-ha-ha!)
>>>-- Mwhaaaaa...my cdrom is not detected!!
>>>-- 10101010101010101
>>> 10101010101010101
>>> 1010101010101010110
>>>Haahahahahahahaha!!
>>>-- Oh..and can't burn a cdrw? yahahahahahah!
>>>Forget linux. You're too advanced for an OS probably
>>>older than you (or your mentality).
>>>
>>>
>>>> If you like Linux, great, you have found a new life. If you hate
>>>> Linux, let us know why.
>>>>
>>>> Try Linux and see for yourself....
>>>>
>>>> Simon
>>>
>>
>
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From: Bloody Viking <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Fun with Brain Dead Printers.
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 04:05:56 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Jim Richardson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: If using redhat, us the printtool and click on the staircase button
: for your printer.
Others mentioned that too. :)
: or you can cat any unix text file through the following perl bit and
: print the result which will have cr/lf instead of lf
: #!/usr/bin/perl
: # The above line should really have the whole path to perl
: # This script must be executable: chmod 755 filter
: while(<STDIN>){chop $_; print "$_\r\n";};
: # You might also want to end with a form feed: print "\f";
: #end
Pipe your file into this gem:
cat > /tmp/file
perl -pi.bak -e 's/\n:/\r\n:/g' /tmp/file
lpr /tmp/file
rm /tmp/file
Use as a shell script. The perl adds the \r to the \n and puts it in /tmp
to be printed up. This gem came from my email filter bot where a similar
shell script disables MIME. The original MIME-disabler is:
cat > /home2/shoga/nospam/bot/mime
perl -pi.bak -e 's/MIME-Version:/X-PadVersion:/g' /home2/shoga/nospam/bot/mime
perl -pi.bak -e 's/Mime-Version:/X-PadVersion:/g' /home2/shoga/nospam/bot/mime
perl -pi.bak -e 's/Content-/X-Padcon/g' /home2/shoga/nospam/bot/mime
cat /home2/shoga/nospam/bot/mime >>/home2/shoga/nospam/mail
cat /dev/null > /home2/shoga/nospam/bot/mime.bak
cat /dev/null > /home2/shoga/nospam/bot/mime
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