Linux-Advocacy Digest #681, Volume #26 Thu, 25 May 00 08:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: how to enter a bug report against linux? (s@-)
Re: The future... (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Never saw Linux die? Try this.... (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Never saw Linux die? Try this.... (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Why my company will NOT use Linux (Aaron Kulkis)
Can/ When Will Linux Run on Hand Helds? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: how to enter a bug report against linux? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Never saw Linux die? Try this.... (Martijn Bruns)
Re: Why only Microsoft should be allowed to create software (Illya Vaes)
Re: Will Linux run MSDOS programs (Bob Hauck)
Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux (Maciej Golebiewski)
Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux (Maciej Golebiewski)
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 06:45:44 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bill Altenberger wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "David D. Huff Jr."
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Edwin I think beyond M$, I happen to care about some of the people whom have
> > lost a great deal of their retirement funds due to this single minded lunacy of
> > M$. There has to be a time and a place to draw the line. Survival may have been
> > a poor choice of words, because M$ zealots can only construe my meanings in one
> > way. Consider M$ dominance survival, somebody needs to lead, M$ is definitely a
> > poor choice I'd agree.
> > Put another way Edwin, how about if I said the survival of M$ dominance may be
> > at stake. Would that appease you?
> > Would you not agree that M$ would be stronger if it defined the lines of a
> > breakup instead of a panel?
> > What about the survival of pension funds that are going down the tubes. Should
> > brokers continue to allow their clients money to continue to erode?
> > Think about the people.. ok .. when is enough, enough?
> >
> > Edwin wrote:
> >
> > > David D. Huff Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > Instead of taking a beating across the board. Might M$ stand a better
> > > > chance of survival if it breaks up voluntarily then some part of the
> > > > business could survive. The last couple of days they've been taking
> > > > quite a beating in the stock market. Along with a lot of peoples'
> > > > retirement money. Shouldn't the stockholders demand that they bite the
> > > > bullet now and salvage what they can?
> > > > They should split on their own terms, not what the government dictates.
> > > > Thus ensuring themselves their best chance for survival. Three parts may
> > > > be better than two, diversifying their cumulative losses.
> > >
> > > If you truly believe that Microsoft's survival is in jeapordy, you're living
> > > in a fool's paradise.
> >
>
> The Nasdaq has had a pretty good haircut lately and I don't think it over
> with yet. IMHO, I think the government has investing all screwed up. If you
> just put money into regular savings, one can barely keep up with inflation
> after the feds tax the hell out of ya. So on one hand congressional social
> engineering has drivin people to the markets in hopes of higher returns,
> while another government branch is saying those returns are way to high
> and to go back to conventional savings. Go figure..
It's called: Setting up a set of rules DESIGNED to keep you at the
bottom,
no matter how much you contribute to society...because trust-fund
jerks like the Kennedys don't want to leave their position in society.
(this is why the Kennedy's favor INCOME taxes over SALES taxes.
INCOME taxes work against those who are contributing the most
(I.e. have a high income), while favoring those who INHERIT their
wealth (no need for an income...you've already inherited it).
SALES TAXES work against those who SPEND THE MOST, while favoring
those who saving and investing the most.
>
> Your friends may want to check out http://www.bobbrinker.com. Bob
> started getting nervous late last fall..
>
> Bill
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 06:46:36 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Mike Ruskai wrote:
>
> On Mon, 22 May 2000 16:59:56 GMT, David D. Huff Jr. wrote:
>
> >Instead of taking a beating across the board. Might M$ stand a better
> >chance of survival if it breaks up voluntarily then some part of the
> >business could survive. The last couple of days they've been taking
> >quite a beating in the stock market. Along with a lot of peoples'
> >retirement money. Shouldn't the stockholders demand that they bite the
> >bullet now and salvage what they can?
> >They should split on their own terms, not what the government dictates.
> >Thus ensuring themselves their best chance for survival. Three parts may
> >be better than two, diversifying their cumulative losses.
>
> If AT&T is any indicator, the split could actually benefit the stock
> holders quite a bit.
>
> Where there was once a single successful company (AT&T), there are now
> several - AT&T itself, the baby Bells, and now Lucent Technologies (which
> inherited Bell Labs).
>
> Faced with genuine competition and realistic market forces, two companies
> split from MS may start to develop quality products.
That's the primary reason why I want to see MS disbanded...
>
> --
> - Mike
>
> Remove 'spambegone.net' and reverse to send e-mail.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
------------------------------
From: s@-
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: how to enter a bug report against linux?
Date: 25 May 2000 03:08:03 -0700
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>>What I find the most amazing thing in this, is that we are aactually
>>arguing if a bug-tracking system is usefull or not.
>
>A lot depends on whether the overhead of the system justifies its use.
>Not all systems are worth the effort in all cases, and I know some folks
>who are quite unhappy about the overhead involved in some of the more
>complex commercial change-control systems (as an example).
>
If you are not happy with the source control system you
are using, get a better one. The answer is NOT not to use one.
Can you imagine working on 500,000 lines program without source
control system??
>How can you toss out meaningful criticisms without knowing the actual
>process(es) currently being used by the core developers, if any?
Ok, proof us wrong. Since you are into that actual secrete culture of the
'core' kernel developers, points us to the bug-tracking system to use
to report bugs found by users in the OS called Linux. A mailing list or
news group or a chat room is not a bug tracking system.
I know enough to know that they have no such system.
s/
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The future...
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 07:08:25 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Full Name wrote:
>
> On Thu, 18 May 2000 21:57:59 -0400, mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >
> >The Server market distinct from the Workstation is gone. Desktop PCs
> >will either get smaller in the direction of thin-clients, or be
> >indistinguishable from servers.
> >
>
> Users want thick clients. They more or less demand them - it makes
> them feel secure.
>
> I don't know if you've notice but the world has moved away from thin
> clients over the last 20 years. The only way this will change is if
> thin clients appear more or less identical to thick clients from the
> user perspective.
>
> Even Linux users prefer thick clients. That's why they keep bleating
> about Linux as a desktop OS. They are too stupid to realise the power
> of a Unix system is its ability to support thin clients.
>
> >I think the NOS market is gone. Novel and whom ever is pursuing it is
> >wasting their time. All real OS's will just do it right.
> >
>
> "A real OS" - this is a meaningless statement.
>
> >Windows is going to die. Not because of MS, exactly, but because the
> >world is going towards standards. While UNIX is not a majority player,
> >it is a standards based multi-vendor platform. MS will bluster about
> >being the "defacto-standard" but more and more IT people are realizing
> >that public standards are better than ubiquitous proprietary standards.
> >
>
> Standards in Unix?
>
> Where is the standard location to install third party software?
/opt
>
> Where is the standard location for the shadow password file?
/etc/shadowpass
>
> What is the standard GIU for a Unix box?
You get to CHOOSE... what a freaking concept!
>
> What is the standard name of the mounted file system table file?
/etc/mtab
>
> Why is there a /usr/etc and a /etc on many Unix installs? Why is
> /usr/etc sometimes a symbolic link to /etc?
the symbolic link from /usr/etc to /etc makes things more CONVENIENT.
it allows backwards compatability for software that was writen in
the days when the /usr partition was used to hold stuff that wasn't
absolutely necessary, because hard drives were only 20MB or less.
Today, we could mandate that everything be put in /etc, but that
would needlessly BREAK a lot of old code (you know, like all of
the frustrating things that happen in M$-land when you upgrade...
things mysteriously break for no reason)... instead, with 10Gb disks
being rather standard now, all of /usr/etc can be put in /etc....
BUT, to preserve the old pathname, a whole 1-BLOCK of storage
space (that's right, a 512 byte increment) is used to link /usr/etc
to /etc to provide CONVENIENCE.
All the paths work, so why do you claim that this is a "problem"
Exactly WHAT kind of moron are you?
Please....answer the question: I collect morons, and I'm interested
in knowing which species of morons you come from..
>
> Were is the standard location to keep users files on a Unix system?
>
> What is the standard shell on a Unix system?
/bin/sh (Bourne Shell)
> Why is it traditional to write scripts in Bourne shell?
because it's the standard shell, you moron!
>
> Where is the standard place to assign the path variable for sh?
> cshell? bash? korn shell? trusted cshell?
/bin/sh
/bin/csh
/bin/bash
/bin/ksh
/bin/tcsh
Are you REALLY that much of a fucking moron, or do you only
play one on USENET???
>
> Why does Oracle 7 place it's listener configuration files in
> /var/adm/oracle?
Ask the people at Oracle..it's THEIR software.
> What is the difference between /usr/adm and
> /var/adm?
Pre- and post- re-arrangement of the standard directory hierarchy.
/var indicates that stuff in this directory VARIES from computer
to computer...thus, it should NOT be exported (by NFS or automount),
because these directories and files are NOT shareable between machines.
> Why is /usr/adm sometimes a symbolic link to /var/adm?
Convenience for people who have been typing the commands
cd /usr/adm
and
more /usr/adm/syslog
for the last 20 years.
>
> Why is it when I telnet from one Unix system to another I have to
> issue a 'stty erase' command so I can delete characters?
Because you're too fucking lazy to put the commands in your login
scripts (.login or .profile) AND you're too freaking lazy to use
the "del" key to DELETE characters.
>
> Why is /usr/boot a symbolic link to /usr/kvm/boot on some Unix
> systems?
vendor discretion.
Hint freaking hint: SYMBOLIC LINKS don't break anything, you moron!
They are put in for CONVENIENCE
Can you understand the concept of CONVENIENCE?????
God, you are daft!
>
> Why does the SunOS box I just logged into have 1741 symbolic links in
> /etc, /usr and /bin?
What's your fucking problem with symbolic links?
They make life EASIER, you idiot?
>
> Why was my password just broadcast in clear text on at least two
> subnets?
Because you're not using Secure Socket Layer.
>
> What is the standard name of the kernel executable on a Unix box?
/vmunix. [name changes on proprietary unix boxes]
>
> Why is Solaris so different to SunOS?
Why is Windows so different from DOS?
>
> Why does Linux have so many distributions? What is the 'standard'
> Linux distribution?
Why are there so many different kinds of autos.. limo's, jeeps,
pick-up trucks, subcompact grocery-getters?
What is the 'standard' automobile?
>
> How old are you?
35
> Have you ever actually managed any real (sic) Unix
> operating systems before?
THOUSANDS (literally...for both Ford *AND* GM)
> Is installing Red Hat on your PC at home
> the only Unix experience you've had?
I've administrated all sorts of systems:
Financial server: Electronic Order Entry system : clustered
sequents with real-time transaction processing for 2,000 stock
brokers nationwide, where uptime is of utmost importance
(less the company face the wrath of the SEC!)
literally THOUSANDS of engineering workstations
one stint for Ford
one stint for GM
Warehouse inventory and logistics servers for Kmart
14-warehouses nationwide, running 24x7.
Downtime = immediate halt for the entire warehouse operation.
Is that enough for you?
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
------------------------------
From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Never saw Linux die? Try this....
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 07:12:58 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Mike wrote:
>
> "Aaron Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> > adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
>
> Strange. It's Jim Bakker. He was married to Tammy Faye, and fooled around
> with Jessica Hahn.
Congratulations.
Now, explaine adultery.
>
> Must not remind you very much.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
------------------------------
From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Never saw Linux die? Try this....
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 07:13:51 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> abraxas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spewed this unto the Network:
> >. wrote:
> >> Canoscan scanner parallel port attached.
> >
> >> Try running the scanner identification program that Sane uses.
> >
> >> Kills Linux completely...No other terminals to log into. Can't kill X
> >> server. Completely dead.......Red Switch Time....
> >
> >Hmmm...
> >
> >Alright, theres one (1) way to kill a linux machine.
> >
>
> I'll give you another way that doesn't require special software. Run
> the following command as root:
>
> yes > /dev/kmem &
$ yes > /dev/kmem
yes: cannot open file /dev/kmem
as you were saying?
>
> This should cause a Kernel Panic.
>
> --
> Have you re-installed your operating system today?
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
------------------------------
From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why my company will NOT use Linux
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 07:18:04 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"Colin R. Day" wrote:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > Never mind it IS free of charge on the internet. If you look at the
> > Redhat page, you will notice that you can download the current version
> > of Redhat for FREE, BUT, you do NOT get the SUPPORT that comes with the
> > version you can purchase. So, what you are buying is SUPPORT.
>
> True, there is that. But I need the need the CD's more than I need
> the support.
Burn your own!
>
> Colin Day
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Can/ When Will Linux Run on Hand Helds?
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 11:05:58 GMT
I have a Windows CE hand held and wanted to know if Linux could be
ported to them, such as on a 32 MG flash card, and then have it dual
boot with CE and Linux. I know it depends on the processor (mine is a
Hitachi SH3 7709 100 MHz.), but it was so stupid or deliberate for
Microsoft to not put a command prompt (at least an early version of
DOS) so that you could Telnet or FTP or even run a C complier).
Microsoft recently released some Networking Utilites (nslookup, ping),
but Linux would be great. I heard Compaq is making something, though
it looks very propriatary; what we need is Linux on an HP Jornada, LG
Phenom, or whatever. Is anyone doing a porting Linux project or beta
test on this?
Cheers
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: how to enter a bug report against linux?
Date: 25 May 2000 21:16:23 +1000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
s@- writes:
>No Regression test suite per subssytem, no bug tracking system, no
>proper software design processes, etc... Just becuase it "works"
>in the current sloppy ad-hoc fashion, does not mean anything to me.
And just that you think that those "proper software design processes"
would make for a better linux does not mean anything to the people
who do the development.
You want regression test suites? Write them! It's *you* who wants them,
so *you* do the work. The people actually doing the development obviously
don't want them enough to spend their own time on them --- and you have
no justification for demanding any of them do anything they don't want
to do.
Bernie
--
A child miseducated is a child lost
John F. Kennedy
US President 1961-63
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From: Martijn Bruns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Never saw Linux die? Try this....
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 13:57:45 +0200
Aaron Kulkis schreef:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > abraxas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spewed this unto the Network:
> > >. wrote:
> > >> Canoscan scanner parallel port attached.
> > >
> > >> Try running the scanner identification program that Sane uses.
> > >
> > >> Kills Linux completely...No other terminals to log into. Can't kill X
> > >> server. Completely dead.......Red Switch Time....
> > >
> > >Hmmm...
> > >
> > >Alright, theres one (1) way to kill a linux machine.
> > >
> >
> > I'll give you another way that doesn't require special software. Run
> > the following command as root:
> >
> > yes > /dev/kmem &
>
> $ yes > /dev/kmem
> yes: cannot open file /dev/kmem
>
> as you were saying?
Why does he have to do it so hard? If you're root, you can
destroy everything you have simply by typing:
% rm -r /*
That's why it's always a bad idea to use root for daily work,
anyway.
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From: Illya Vaes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why only Microsoft should be allowed to create software
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 13:59:41 +0200
Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>I'm not sure how the conversation switched to this, but the original
>argument was about the code that detected non-MS-DOS.
You have no problem whatsoever to switch the topic to the perceived / alledged
marketing of Windows, "recommended" motor oil of car manufacturers, etc...
Karel, AFAIAC you can consider this as Erik conceding his point to you...
--
Illya Vaes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) "Do...or do not, there is no 'try'" - Yoda
Holland Railconsult BV, Integral Management of Railprocess Systems
Postbus 2855, 3500 GW Utrecht
Tel +31.30.2653273, Fax 2653385 Not speaking for anyone but myself
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Subject: Re: Will Linux run MSDOS programs
Reply-To: hauck[at]codem{dot}com
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 12:01:42 GMT
On Thu, 25 May 2000 07:09:50 GMT, Donald Bayne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I still have a couple of DOS programs that run under NT, but I have to
>switch to the desktop in order to print. Does Linux support DOS
>programs?
Yes. DOSEMU will run the vast majority of DOS programs. Not sure what
you mean by the printing thing, but I've not had any trouble printing from
DOSEMU.
Many distributions include DOSEMU, or you can get the latest version at
<http://www.dosemu.org/>. If you get that one, you'll also need to come
up with a version of DOS to run in the emulator (I use MS-DOS 5.0 and
Caldera OpenDOS).
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| Codem Systems, Inc.
-| http://www.codem.com/
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From: Maciej Golebiewski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 14:03:37 +0200
> Maciej Golebiewski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> It does happen. I don't know what percentage of makefiles provide
> that or a simiar target. Most produce a single executable image that
> is easy to dispose of.
Right, but some of the larger software packages produce a number of binaries,
a number of libraries, a number of scripts plus other stuff. Often with
cryptic names. You could install to separate directories, but this is a
challeng
to your PATH and MANPATH in the longer run. :)
>
> ' RPM is not perfect but it is quite OK. It's just that the guys creating rpm
> ' not always can get the dependencies right. Personally one of my favourite
> ' query options in rpm is -q -f to instantly get the name of the package
> ' "owning" a specific file. I love it.
>
> What do you do when two packages claim ownership of the same file?
Good point.
This would be either a mistake of the person who build the one of the
packages,
and maybe the package manager system too... Anyway, this of course would
require
tedious diving into the details and manual labort, but I haven't notice this
happening frequently (in Linux that is).
Maciej
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From: Maciej Golebiewski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 14:09:09 +0200
Leslie Mikesell wrote:
> >>Eh? Some of us do make file lists for the software we install, you know!
> >>I have no problems with dependencies.
> >>
> >>(check out man find .. -cnewer, and mkpkg).
> >
> > Given the non-package specific dependency checking tools already in
> > Linux, one would think that you could build a dependency database
> > quite independent of rpm or deb.
>
> But there is no reason to expect it to be any better. Is there a tool
> that tells you when the last program that uses a shared library
> has been removed?
Just a wild idea: did anyone ever thought about applying to package management
the same techniques used in garbage collectors (as in memory mananagement :),
tracking number of references, maybe adding something like a scope?
Maciej
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