Linux-Advocacy Digest #345, Volume #27 Mon, 26 Jun 00 09:13:06 EDT
Contents:
Re: Open Source Programmers Demonstrate Incompetence (Stuart Krivis)
RE: Do not like Windows but ... ("Pedro Iglesias")
RE: Do not like Windows but ... ("Pedro Iglesias")
RE: Do not like Windows but ... ("Pedro Iglesias")
RE: Do not like Windows but ... ("Pedro Iglesias")
RE: Do not like Windows but ... ("Pedro Iglesias")
OS's ... ("Pedro Iglesias")
Re: windoze 9x, what a piece of shit! (mark)
Re: windoze 9x, what a piece of shit! (mark)
Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome! (Phillip Lord)
RE: slashdot ("Pedro Iglesias")
Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome! (Phillip Lord)
Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome! (Phillip Lord)
Re: Lost Cause Theater!!! (Ronald Steedman)
Re: Lost Cause Theater!!! (Ronald Steedman)
Re: Why Linux should be #1 choice for students! (mark)
Re: Why Linux should be #1 choice for students! (mark)
Re: Why Linux should be #1 choice for students! (mark)
Re: Why Linux should be #1 choice for students! (mark)
Re: Why Linux should be #1 choice for students! (mark)
Re: Why Linux should be #1 choice for students! (mark)
Re: Why Linux should be #1 choice for students! (mark)
Re: HTML Help files (an updated set of man pages) (Andy Newman)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stuart Krivis)
Subject: Re: Open Source Programmers Demonstrate Incompetence
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 03:24:01 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Tue, 13 Jun 2000 13:20:56 GMT, The Ghost In The Machine
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>I don't know anything about it apart from its existence, but there
>is (or was) a beast named JavaOS.
>
>Unknown what it runs on, hardware wise.
JavaStations, which were basically a SPARC 5 with no disk, and had a
SVGA video output. Upon bootup, it looked for the server, then
downloaded the OS code. It required a server running Solaris with the
proper addons. (The package was the Netra J). Adding a new JavaStation
was mainly a matter of typing in the MAC address on the server, then
plugging everything in.
It ran applications like the HotJava browser and the Applix Anyware
Suite.
Not bad, but it never quite seemed like a finished product.
I think it could have been quite usable in some environments, and would
have been easy to administer.
We shall see whether MS has any better luck pushing their latest
incarnation of the thin client like the Compaq iPaq appliance.
--
Stuart Krivis
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From: "Pedro Iglesias" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: Do not like Windows but ...
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 11:10:22 GMT
> Now, lets talk servers! Linux blows the socks of w2k in many areas NOW
> and will be even better when the 2.4 kernel is released!
I did not say anything about servers.
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From: "Pedro Iglesias" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: Do not like Windows but ...
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 11:10:23 GMT
> You seem to like all these windows apps so why don't you like windows?
Obviously it lacks stability and security, but ... I remain tied to it by
now.
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From: "Pedro Iglesias" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: Do not like Windows but ...
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 11:10:24 GMT
> It is an interest of mine. Win32 manages to be "better" primarily
> due to 3rd party support. Game deployment and performance on Linux
> is sufficiently on par with Windows. Some of the newer 3d drivers
> can even go toe to toe with their Windows counterpart.
Can and will does not mean are and now, that's what I remain tied to
Windows by now, if things change, I'll change to Linux as primary OS
very happy.
> You're better off with Opera. It is currently a Linux x86 alpha.
It is not final, and two version I tested just gave me segmentation faults,
so I'll stay with IE by now.
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From: "Pedro Iglesias" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: Do not like Windows but ...
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 11:10:24 GMT
> Linux is harder? Bullshit. Heaping, steaming, bletcherous wet soddy
> mounds of bullshit. I may hate Windoze, but Windoze hates me worse.
I did not say Linux was harder, just that now I do use primarily Windows
just because it haves the applications I like.
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From: "Pedro Iglesias" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: Do not like Windows but ...
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 11:10:25 GMT
> Nobody in their right mind would write a book in Word.
May be by very short chapters :-) ... anyway, I do not write
books and Word serves me right for my light work.
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From: "Pedro Iglesias" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: OS's ...
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 11:29:56 GMT
Do you remember that by 1995 DOS/Windows users were still
using DOS 6.22 and Windows 3.11 ? I point that, because I want
to denote that Microsoft Windows has done a big and good way
since 1995, and that Millenium and Windows 2000 are much more
powerful and stable. I mean, in 5 or 6 years, Microsoft has even
reached the goal of competing with Unix (at least they try to do so)
and has won the desktop market; remember that by 1995 it was not
as clear that DOS was the best choice, but now, who do think about
a desktop without Windows ? Perhaps with DOJ and Linux hype
people is starting to do so just now, but still far from winning.
On the other side, where was Linux by 1995 ? It was a much more
difficult OS that today it is; kernel had little features, PnP was a dream
(or at least a pain), PPP links were hard to configure, and X11 was
really hard to set up and slow. Applications by then were little, very
little, and very bad (do you remember StarOffice 3?). What I mean is
that Linux, has made a big and good way too, it has taken a lot of
the server market, and now is attempting to get desktop usability.
Windows ----> Stability and Power ----->
Linux --------> Usability and Power ---->
The two OS's if they keep on evolving as they've done, can very
well converge at a thing as equal powerful and as equal usable. Time
will tell if Linux manage to get all of that based only on open source code,
and then it will have won. If Linux relies on non open source (this will
mean
most of the cases you have to pay for it), may be it is nothing but a
alternative as powerful and as stable as another propietary OS's.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mark)
Subject: Re: windoze 9x, what a piece of shit!
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 18:09:29 +0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Pete Goodwin wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bart Oldeman) wrote in
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>>New
>>Open
>>Save
>>Save as
>>Preferences
>>-----------
>>Close
>>Quit
>>-----------
>>Mail image
>>Print
>>
>>with the default keybindings, which are ridiculously easy to change!
>>
>>I don't know about yours. Does it just miss the "Print" item?
>
>Mine doesn't look like that. Funny, having Mail Merge and Print after Quit.
>Seems an odd place to put them.
No, it doesn't seem odd to me.
--
Mark - remove any ham to reply.
"A compiler is a program that takes the pseudo-English gibberish produced
by a programmer and turns it into the sort of binary gibberish understood
by a computer." Linux for the uninitiated ... by Paul Heinlein
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mark)
Subject: Re: windoze 9x, what a piece of shit!
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 18:10:29 +0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>Linux=Odd...
>
>Linux sucks Pete, the sooner you figure it out for yourself the better.
But not as often as Bill sucks the lawyers, right?
--
Mark - remove any ham to reply.
"A compiler is a program that takes the pseudo-English gibberish produced
by a programmer and turns it into the sort of binary gibberish understood
by a computer." Linux for the uninitiated ... by Paul Heinlein
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From: Phillip Lord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome!
Date: 26 Jun 2000 11:54:30 +0100
>>>>> "Stefaan" == Stefaan A Eeckels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Stefaan> The problem with participatory democracy is that a a group
Stefaan> of people always pawns "leaders", and that these leaders
Stefaan> then try to perpetuate their prime position in their
Stefaan> offspring. Nobility wasn't handed down from heaven, it
Stefaan> evolved. One only has to look at the current nobility (our
Stefaan> "democratically elected representatives") to notice how
Stefaan> often sprogs follows daddy or mummy into politics.
I think that this is some truth in this, but I don't
think that it is necessary that it happens. For me the main problem
with democracy at the moment is that our democratically elected
leaders are pawns to the large capital interests (as were are previous
unelected leaders!). Democracy is very limited in its scope
therefore. I think that a fully participatory democracy could work. It
has been tried before successfully but failed usually due to outside
influence.
Stefaan> Lenin benefitted from a lot of support from Germany.
True enough.
Stefaan> He wouldn't have been able to reach Russia were it not for
Stefaan> their active support (the more troublemakers in Russia the
Stefaan> merrier). In any case, Lenin's contribution to communism
Stefaan> was that because the proletariat was to stupid to rule
Stefaan> itself, it should be ruled by the
Stefaan> intelligentsia. Obviously, this was a huge improvement over
Stefaan> being ruled by inbred nepotist aristocrats ;-).
Not a statement that I would support. Although it should be
noted that it is possible to be both "intelligensia" and "proletariat"
particularly in this day and age, where "mind workers" often suffer
from the same abuses that labourers did in the past.
Stefaan> The new regime was in any case a lot more efficient when it
Stefaan> came to eliminating its opponents. Oh well, tsarism,
Stefaan> communism, or capitalism, it's Russia's fate to always get
Stefaan> the worst implementation of a political system. And always
Stefaan> a despot. Poor Russia.
Russian history has a lot of very low points. I don't know
why. For me though the revolution was one of the points where it
things look promisingly good, even if that promise failed to
materialise...
Phil
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From: "Pedro Iglesias" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: slashdot
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 11:44:43 GMT
> Is slashdot down YET again? As of 10:52PM eastern it seems to be.
> If Microsoft.com or hotmail.com was down you guys would say it proves
> NT sucks... Well? Why can't slashdot seem to stay up more than few
> days at a time?
Since you really do not believe the reasons you are posting, why do you
post at all ?
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From: Phillip Lord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome!
Date: 26 Jun 2000 12:05:05 +0100
>>>>> "Kenneth" == Kenneth P Turvey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Kenneth> Any extreme system results in failure. Pure socialism is a
Kenneth> failure. Pure capitalism is a failure. Some blend is
Kenneth> necessary.
>> This is a simple argument for the status quo.
Kenneth> Excuse me? I wasn't arguing for anything. I was stating a
Kenneth> fact.
You may be stating what you feel is a fact, but that is
a different thing altogether.
>> "Extremism" is defined by reference to what the current situation
>> is.
Kenneth> I never used the word "Extremism". In this paragraph I was
Kenneth> discussing the systems not the ideas. I'm sorry if I
Kenneth> wasn't clear.
You used the word "extreme". My point remains, that what we
define to be extreme is defined only with respect to the middle point
which most would take to me the current system. So systems which
differ from the status quo are held to be extreme.
Of course there are other definitions of "extreme". Our
respective societies are both good examples of extremist societies and
getting worse in my own belief.
Kenneth> Taxes and regulations on behavior seem to be passed without
Kenneth> the consideration that they should entail. This doesn't
Kenneth> just apply to the United States.
>> Im not sure what you are saying here. That in the US taxes and
>> regulations are not passed without proper consideration? Where as
>> no one else thinks about them enough.
Kenneth> I was simply pointing out that the consideration that most
Kenneth> states give to the use of force is minimal. Often the
Kenneth> ability to use force is seen as adequate justification for
Kenneth> its use. I see this all the time in the U.S. but I know
Kenneth> that this is true of other representative democracies as
Kenneth> well.
Okay no I see this more clearly. As I said I was not at all
sure what you meant previously.
>> My own feeling is that most of the restrictions on my life do not
>> come from government, but from capitalism, in so far as they are
>> different. To spend time talking about how the government is
>> wrong, and what we should do to improve it is to miss the point
>> entirely. At least in our current society.
Kenneth> I see the argument and I agree to a point, but corporations
Kenneth> do not lock people up; they do not beat them; they do not
Kenneth> kill them (at least when they do you have recourse); and
Kenneth> they do not take a third or more of their earnings without
Kenneth> compensation or justification.
Well I'm afraid that they do. Often it is true with the
collusion of the government. There are many examples. Shell Oil was
for instance complicit in the execution of Ken Saro-Wiwa whose crime
was speaking out against forcible relocation of the Ongone(sp?)
people. Similarly were it not for the oil industry its unlikely that
the US and UK would have supported Suharto's invasion of East Timor
(1/3 of the population massacred). Closer to (your) home there are
examples of for instance large chemical companies deliberately
concealing knowledge about the toxicity of products. You do not have
to shoot someone to kill them.
As for taking their earnings "You dig sixteen tons and what do
you get, another day older and deeper in debt". This may not be true
in the US any more (though I doubt that), but it is all over the
world.
Kenneth> The influence that industry has on government has gone
Kenneth> completely out of control, but that to me is still a
Kenneth> problem with government.
Fair enough. For me I would say that both are problems of our
society.
Phil
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From: Phillip Lord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome!
Date: 26 Jun 2000 12:06:15 +0100
>>>>> "Kenneth" == Kenneth P Turvey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Kenneth> I don't have any problem with high taxes if they are
Kenneth> justified. I simply believe that we should look at taxes
Kenneth> for what they are. They are theft. You should only impose
Kenneth> taxes in those cases where you would be willing to steal
Kenneth> from your neighbor to achieve the same goal.
Kenneth> Am I willing to steal from my neighbors to make sure the
Kenneth> poor kid eats? Yes. Am I willing to steal from my
Kenneth> neighbors to make sure that we have an educated populous?
Kenneth> Yes.
Then I find your terminology unusual but do not disagree
with the sentiment.
Phil
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From: Ronald Steedman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.admin.networking,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Lost Cause Theater!!!
Date: 26 Jun 2000 12:24:24 GMT
In comp.os.ms-windows.nt.admin.networking xxx <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Perhaps, then, the muslims will put a price on my head... I would write a
: book w/ some bad poetry and get rich.
That book would never have made the best seller list without all that
press attention.
-- Ron Steedman
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From: Ronald Steedman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.admin.networking,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Lost Cause Theater!!!
Date: 26 Jun 2000 12:23:18 GMT
Hmm.. these almanacs also allege there are 1.9 billion Christians but
"only" 1.1 billion Muslims.
Quantity doesn't mean quality. ;)
-- Ron Steedman
In comp.os.ms-windows.nt.admin.networking Cihl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Ronald Steedman wrote:
:>
:> According to the 1998 world almanac less than 1/3 of the world proclaim
:> to be followers of Christianity. :)
:>
:> ...on the other hands about 4/5 of the listeners here ARE Christian...
:>
:> -- Ron Steedman
: Don't forget the Islamic world. It's much bigger than the Christian
: one. And they'll quite literally have their heads if anyone put up
: texts like this one. Remember Salman Rushdie?
: --
: �I live!�
: �I hunger!�
: �Run, coward!�
: -- The Sinistar
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mark)
Subject: Re: Why Linux should be #1 choice for students!
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 17:54:16 +0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Colin R. Day wrote:
>James wrote:
>
>> Yup, wish I had Linux (and a PC) in '80. However, Win2k and the numerous
>> commercial packages for it would have been better for producing
>> reports/theses.
>
>How is MS Word better than TeX/LATeX in this regard?
>
>Colin Day
>
It's not - my organisation typically produces internal documents
as powerpoint slides now - nobody even bothers trying to write
word.
'Course, this has probably reduced the literacy level even lower,
welcome to the world of windows...
--
Mark - remove any ham to reply.
"A compiler is a program that takes the pseudo-English gibberish produced
by a programmer and turns it into the sort of binary gibberish understood
by a computer." Linux for the uninitiated ... by Paul Heinlein
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mark)
Subject: Re: Why Linux should be #1 choice for students!
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 18:00:03 +0100
In article <8i8phe$elb$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> No-Spam wrote:
>> On Wed, 14 Jun 2000 00:17:14 GMT,
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> ><snip>
>
>For the record, I'm a linux newbie, so I'm not coming up with counter-
>arguments just for the sake of spreading MS fud.
Why does this seem so unlikely?
--
Mark - remove any ham to reply.
"A compiler is a program that takes the pseudo-English gibberish produced
by a programmer and turns it into the sort of binary gibberish understood
by a computer." Linux for the uninitiated ... by Paul Heinlein
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mark)
Subject: Re: Why Linux should be #1 choice for students!
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 17:57:40 +0100
In article <8i6its$pvj$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
><snip>
>
>Actually, Linux should be the number 1 choice for students because you
>never stop learning. <shudder>
>
>In all seriousness, you're going to have a hard time convincing the
>average person who doesn't need to do any tricky formatting that it's
>better to write reports with LaTex than with Word. Bugginess with
>templates and macros notwithstanding, Word's a pretty decent program if
>all you need to do is write a double-spaced, Times 12, footnoted and
>endnoted, page-numbered report using two different styles (one for body
>text, one for quoted text), which I'm willing to bet is all the average
>non-science-oriented person would need to do for their thesis. Word
>does all these pretty well. You could do way worse than strive for
>Word's usability at this level.
>
>-wrinkledshirt
>
>
>Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
>Before you buy.
Word is extremely awful for writing anything. Aside for major
instability, its numbering is awful, difficult to apply, its
formatting is virtually incomprehensible, it seems to need
supercomputing power to handle anything more than 1 1/2 page
document - Can't see many students wanting or needing to write
so little - unless they're planning on failing the micrsoft way...
--
Mark - remove any ham to reply.
"A compiler is a program that takes the pseudo-English gibberish produced
by a programmer and turns it into the sort of binary gibberish understood
by a computer." Linux for the uninitiated ... by Paul Heinlein
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mark)
Subject: Re: Why Linux should be #1 choice for students!
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 17:55:19 +0100
In article <39400091$0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, James wrote:
>I never mentioned MS Word ?!?
Interesting how the winvocates seem to be accepting that word
is junk. (see below for the rest of the thread)
>
>
>"Colin R. Day" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> James wrote:
>>
>> > Yup, wish I had Linux (and a PC) in '80. However, Win2k and the
>numerous
>> > commercial packages for it would have been better for producing
>> > reports/theses.
>>
>> How is MS Word better than TeX/LATeX in this regard?
>>
>> Colin Day
>>
>
>
--
Mark - remove any ham to reply.
"A compiler is a program that takes the pseudo-English gibberish produced
by a programmer and turns it into the sort of binary gibberish understood
by a computer." Linux for the uninitiated ... by Paul Heinlein
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mark)
Subject: Re: Why Linux should be #1 choice for students!
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 17:50:06 +0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Pete Goodwin wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bracy) wrote in <EEM_4.4560$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>>Actually, after reading your posts, I think you'd be better off with
>>WordPad.
>
>It's a better editor than... oh my gosh, what _do_ you write LaTeX with? Go
>on, tell me... VI!!!!!
>
>Pete
I find vi excellent. Mine's not in caps, though - maybe that's not
significant in NT - can NT tell the difference?
--
Mark - remove any ham to reply.
"A compiler is a program that takes the pseudo-English gibberish produced
by a programmer and turns it into the sort of binary gibberish understood
by a computer." Linux for the uninitiated ... by Paul Heinlein
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mark)
Subject: Re: Why Linux should be #1 choice for students!
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 17:52:56 +0100
In article <393d629b$0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, James wrote:
>Yup, wish I had Linux (and a PC) in '80. However, Win2k and the numerous
>commercial packages for it would have been better for producing
>reports/theses. If you are a computer science or engineering student, Linux
>is ideal since it teaches the nuts and bolts of a computer, whilst Windows
>hides these details. Linux takes me back to those years where we hacked
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ behind BSODs, in my experience.
>away at assembler/PLM code. Fond memories . . .
>
>James
>
>"Jens Pr�fer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Dear fellow readers,
>>
>> Linux + LaTeX is IMHO the best choice for master's or Ph.D. thesis
>> writers. The system is very stable and simply does not crash taking huge
>> parts of your labour with it. A large number of great scientific tools
>> is available for free. The somewhat limited number of cool games
>> available make concentrating on your subject all the easier.
>>
>> LaTeX (which is available for Windows as well, if you are slightly less
>> bold) enables the author to concentrate fully on the contents of the
>> text and does never ever mess up footnotes, references, enumeration of
>> equations, figures, tables ... not even when your document exceeds 500
>> pages.
>>
>> The fact that Linux stability, emacs capabilities and LaTeX powerfull
>> layout processing work so well together make it the perfect system for
>> the serious student who wants to get the job done with minimum hassle.
>>
>> This is well known amongst Physicists and Mathematicians (who tend to
>> use LaTeX anyhow) but is also true for any other
>> "non-equation-producing" subjects. The very few commands needed to
>> layout plain english texts are easy to comprehend even for ppl studying
>> law or medicine! The result is beautiful and the well done professional
>> layout of the documents is appreciated by professors who after all have
>> to read and judge about it.
>>
>> Another interesting point is the especially easy conversion into
>> standrad conform html and pdf using latex2html or pdflatex packages.
>> AFAIK not even the Office 2000 Version of Word gives you PDF support out
>> of the box.
>>
>> The plain ASCII nature of LaTeX markup make an international cooperation
>> much easier than the frequent hassle with M$ Word version problems (not
>> only the 95, 97 or 2000 Office versions but the national flavour as well
>> ... my computer at university refused to open a document I got from
>> polish colleagues insisting I had to install the far east version of
>> Office 9something!)
>>
>> Last but not least both -- Linux as well as LaTeX -- are available as
>> open source software for a large variety of systems. Students who are
>> usually on a tight budget should not waste their limited funds on
>> inferior products.
>>
>> For further references how to obtain Linux and/or LaTeX (Windows
>> versions available as well) please see
>>
>> http://www.linux.org
>>
>> http://www.latex-project.org
>>
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Jens
>>
>> --
>> WYSIWYG is a step backwards. Human labor is used to do that
>> which the computer can do better.
>>
>> Andrew S. Tanenbaum
>
>
--
Mark - remove any ham to reply.
"A compiler is a program that takes the pseudo-English gibberish produced
by a programmer and turns it into the sort of binary gibberish understood
by a computer." Linux for the uninitiated ... by Paul Heinlein
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mark)
Subject: Re: Why Linux should be #1 choice for students!
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 17:51:32 +0100
In article <8i6i5p$pfl$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>In article <8hh3o5$31l$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Mig Mig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> One could or even Emacs.. but one also could use Lyx (www.lyx.org) or
>Klyx.
>> Once youve tryed doing some major work with Word and failed...you
>learn to
>> appreciate Latex.
>
>Curious. What did you try and fail to do in Word?
Read a document more than 2 pages long without having to reboot
the machine would be a good start for me. Word is junk. Write
a structured document is another area that would be good. Shame
word is junk on that as well.
--
Mark - remove any ham to reply.
"A compiler is a program that takes the pseudo-English gibberish produced
by a programmer and turns it into the sort of binary gibberish understood
by a computer." Linux for the uninitiated ... by Paul Heinlein
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andy Newman)
Subject: Re: HTML Help files (an updated set of man pages)
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 08:17:49 +1000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Pete Goodwin wrote:
>Man pages do not have hyperlinks - Windows help does.
Your a developer right? Understand parsing and interpretation of
tokens? In HTMl it looks like <a href=....>...</a>. In man it's
simpler because there's a more restricted search space and the
address tokens can be simpler, e.g, cc(1), sd(4) etc... Now
man(1) may not try to interpret the "links" but many other things
do (and those are the tools many of us use).
--
Chuck Berry lied about the promised land
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