Linux-Advocacy Digest #345, Volume #34 Tue, 8 May 01 23:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: Pesky lack of support (kosh)
Re: Linux a Miserable Consumer OS (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Linux a Miserable Consumer OS (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: ChromeLinuxT/ WebServer (kosh)
Re: I think I've discovered Flatfish's true identity... (Brent R)
Double whammy cross-platform worm (Chris Ahlstrom)
Re: Linux advocacy or Windows bashing? (.)
Re: To Aaron (Orest Zarowsky)
Re: Windows makes good coasters (Chris Ahlstrom)
Re: Linux and MP3s (Brent R)
Re: bank switches from using NT 4 ("Tom Wilson")
Re: Windows NT: lost in space? ("Tom Wilson")
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From: kosh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Pesky lack of support
Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 20:04:22 -0600
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
A newgroup is not the best plaec for these questions. However the simple
quation is don't worry if the bios can't see it all since linux doesn't
care what the bios does. Install from a CD and make a /boot partition in
the first 50 megs or so. Then partition the rest as desired. I have have a
40 gig disk in one box that the bios swears is only 8 gigs but linux sees
the entire thing with no problem.
Mark Styles wrote:
>
> I'm annoyed, so I might rant a bit.
>
> I have a Spacewalker hot-555a motherboard, and I'm trying to install a
> Western Digital 40Gb hard drive. The bios on the motherboard is too
> stupid to recognise the large drive. The crappy installation guide
> tells me this can be circumvented, but only with their special little
> program, which will only operate on certain crappy operating systems
> (I'm sure you can guess which ones).
>
> So, how can I get this drive installed and ready for Linux??
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Subject: Re: Linux a Miserable Consumer OS
Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 02:15:03 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Aaron R. Kulkis
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Sun, 06 May 2001 17:55:15 -0400
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>James Philips wrote:
>>
[snip]
>> Linux is a great OS in a lot of ways, but it's hard to see how you can
>> really claim that it's as easy to learn as Windows. Even most Linux
>> advocates realise that a total beginner can't use Linux without learning
>> quite a lot.
>
>Same goes for Windows....so, your point is?
What do you mean, Aaron?
Windows is easy to learn.
Just point, click, crash.
:-)
(To be fair, Win2k does seem to be a little more stable. But it's
still weird; I've already discovered one glitch in Java's
Runtime.exec() that requires extra double quotes. AARGH!)
[rest snipped]
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- insert random Wonderful Windows Weirdness here
EAC code #191 8d:20h:39m actually running Linux.
Are you watching TV, or is the TV watching you?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Subject: Re: Linux a Miserable Consumer OS
Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 02:17:40 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Sun, 06 May 2001 03:01:56 GMT
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>On 06 May 2001 01:07:58 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
>wrote:
>
>
>>Wouldn t know a decent Linux app if it bit his ass off.
>
>That's because I have yet to see one.
Just out of morbid curiosity -- what would qualify an app,
Windows, Linux, or otherwise, as "decent"? What minimum
qualifications are needed to classify a GUI/application as such?
[rest snipped]
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- insert random cat-killing curiosity here
EAC code #191 8d:01h:39m actually running Linux.
Hi. I'm a signature virus.
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From: kosh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: ChromeLinuxT/ WebServer
Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 20:06:47 -0600
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Look at http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html it is a pretty simple license
to read.
It makes no such requirement about software. I can write software for linux
and release it under any license I want. However if I use gpl code to write
my software then I have to gpl my work or ask the author for some special
deal. Using GPL tools has no affect on the license of the stuff you make.
Harison Phinizy wrote:
> If something is made for Linux doesn't it fall under the GPL... Therefore,
> it must be made available for free (at least the source) then how does
> this software avoid doing such?
>
> Just curious...
>
>
>
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From: Brent R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I think I've discovered Flatfish's true identity...
Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 02:33:11 GMT
Aaron Ginn wrote:
>
> Okay, I was a little bored last night, so I thought I'd do a little
> investigative work to see if I could discover who flatfish really is.
> At this point, I'm about 90% certain I know his real identity. Here's
> the trail I followed...
>
> Knowing that flatfish uses the following windows programs: cubase,
> cakewalk, and sound forge, and he is either a sound technician or
> engineer, I did a few google searches with these programs and linux
> until I found the following zdnet talkback:
>
>
>http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:www.zdnet.com/anchordesk/talkback/talkback_203952.html+linux+cakewalk&hl=en
>
> Wow, this looks promising! It's got all kinds of flatfish speak in
> it. "Linux has a long way to go", "Linux doesn't have the apps I
> need", "Linux doesn't have good SoundBlaster support".
>
> Of course, this isn't enough to prove this is flatfish, I need
> something more. Besides, who is John Russell from Davenport, Iowa
> anyway. Is he a real person? Why yes he is!
>
> I do a google search on 'John Russell Davenport Iowa' and I find an
> interesting page:
>
>
>http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:members.aol.com/viewcamp/day184.html+davenport+iowa+john+russell&hl=en
>
> About 3/4 down the page you find
>
> John Russell, Davenport, Iowa, Cherokee/Dakota, Computer/electronics
> Technican
>
> So John is a political activist protesting the imprisonment of Leonard
> Peltier and he appears to be the same John Russell listed above as he
> refers to himself as a Computer/electronics Technican
>
> Next, I do a search for 'john russell Leonard Peltier cherokee' and I
> find the following:
>
> http://www.dnso.org/dnso/dnsocomments/comments-gtlds/Archives/msg00077.html
>
> Cool, now I've got a legit email address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] But
> I need to verify further that this is really the same John Russell as
> the original. So I go to the Deja archives and start looking for his
> email address and I find mostly posts to alt.native. However, if I
> search for posts by john russell, I also find the following email
> address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] So if I search for posts
> by that author with references to cakewalk, I find the following two
> posts in creative.products.sound_blaster.pci128:
>
>
>http://groups.google.com/groups?q=cakewalk+author%3AlongjohnNOSPAM%40NOSPAMqconline.com&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&scoring=relevance&btnG=Google+Search&meta=site%3Dgroups
>
> Gee, references to Cubase, Cakewalk, Wavelab, and SoundForge posted in
> a SB 128 newsgroup? The evidence, while circumstantial, is pretty
> overwhelming at this point.
>
> But the most interesting thing is that John Russell is a serious Linux
> user and advocate. Just look at some of the posts on this page:
>
>
>http://groups.google.com/groups?as_q=linux&num=10&as_scoring=relevance&btnG=Google+Search&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_ugroup=&as_usubject=&as_uauthors=longjohnNOSPAM%40NOSPAMqconline.com&as_umsgid=&lr=&as_qdr=&as_drrb=between&as_mind=29&as_minm=3&as_miny=1995&as_maxd=3&as_maxm=5&as_maxy=2001
>
> Now ordinarily, if John Russell really is flatfish, I wouldn't believe
> a word he says, but the fact that he is using his real name at not
> some goofy pseudonym in these posts leads me to believe him in this
> case.
>
> Now I know that my whole premise here is based on the similarities
> between the ZDNet talkback and flatfish's posts, but I've seen enough
> to convince me that they are one and the same. I don't have access to
> the creative.* groups here at work, otherwise I would check the
> headers of John Russell's posts to see if there are similarities
> between the two. It wouldn't surprise me if he is using a different
> machine to post to COLA, though. Perhaps someone else could check
> thos out.
>
> If this is flatfish, it confirms most of what I've thought about him:
> that he really is a Linux user, and he's just trolling the group for
> fun.
>
> So 'fess up, flatfish. Is this you?
>
> --
> Aaron J. Ginn Phone: 480-814-4463
> Motorola SemiCustom Solutions Pager: 877-586-2318
> 1300 N. Alma School Rd. Fax : 480-814-4058
> Chandler, AZ 85224 M/D CH260 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Maybe he's not even a real entity, maybe he's a little chunk of
singularity that got stuck in a computer hard-drive somewhere.
I think he's the first AI-enhanced web-being... a program that travels
around the internet and blasts Linux whenever possible.
--
- Brent
http://rotten168.home.att.net
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From: Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Double whammy cross-platform worm
Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 02:33:46 GMT
A Solaris worm that defaces IIS Web server pages:
http://www.computerworld.com/cwi/story/0,1199,NAV47_STO60354,00.html
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Free the Software!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Subject: Re: Linux advocacy or Windows bashing?
Date: 9 May 2001 02:34:07 GMT
The Ghost In The Machine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote
> on 4 May 2001 15:58:10 GMT
> <9cujii$4c4$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>Mikkel Elmholdt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> "." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>>> news:9cuh7c$nr9$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>
>>>> Apparantly youre new to usenet. Advocacy groups ARE bashing groups,
>>> slapnuts.
>>
>>>> Now go away.
>>
>>> Apparently you're a moron. Bashing groups are stuff like
>>> alt.destroy.microsoft or alt.linux.sux.
>>
>>> Have a nice day.
>>
>>Having been an active participant in usenet for the past 13 years, I can
>>say without a grain of doubt that you are absolutely incorrect.
>>
>>If you dont like the tone of this group, you are free to fuck off.
> For the benefit of rank newbies, one can substitute "put someone in
> the killfile/scorefile" for "fuck off".... :-)
Right, thats what I said. :)
=====.
--
"George Dubya Bush---the best presidency money can buy"
---obviously some Godless commie heathen faggot bastard
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From: Orest Zarowsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: To Aaron
Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 02:36:07 GMT
What trick? Do you think that everyone is as intimately familiar with their navel as
you bunch are? Get a grip.
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> Orest Zarowsky wrote:
> >
> > I have followed this thread and it is most interesting on a number of levels, not
> > the least of which is its parochialism. However, this thread has absolutely
> > nothing to do with Linux Advocacy, Windows/MS bashing (or otherwise) or anything
> > else related to computers. Perhaps you all might consider moving to a more
> > appropriate news group - there a large number of them specifically devoted to
> > discussions of politics, trade, social policy, etc.
>
> That trick never works.
>
> >
> > "T. Max Devlin" wrote:
> >
> > > Said Ian Pulsford in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Fri, 04 May 2001 04:34:30
> > > >"T. Max Devlin" wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Said Matthew Gardiner in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Thu, 3 May 2001
> > > >
> > > >> >Its called "free trade on the US's terms", aka, fuck everyone else, we are
> > > >> >going to use tarriffs and subsidies then bitch and moan because China does
> > > >> >the same thing!
> > > >>
> > > >> Free trade does not require international free trade. Its called "free
> > > >> trade for US firms within the US", and whether foreign companies get to
> > > >> participate is entirely up to the US, and whether we think it would
> > > >> benefit us; it is presumed if allowed that it would benefit the foreign
> > > >> company, which is why we use tariffs and subsidies rather than simple
> > > >> regulation. If it is worth their while to overcome this 'uneven playing
> > > >> field' (actually an even playing field, taking both the international
> > > >> capital and the international production into account) then they can
> > > >> benefit from the opportunity of free trade within the U.S.
> > > >>
> > > >> When it comes down to it, if you are unable to say "fuck everyone else"
> > > >> if it is necessary to avoid "fuck me", then you are simply not being
> > > >> honest, or reasonable.
> > > >>
> > > >> I'm not claiming that every aspect of the U.S. position on tariffs and
> > > >> subsidies is reasonable, or even honest. I'm merely pointing out that
> > > >> presuming otherwise is begging the question.
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >So what you're saying is that the rhetoric does not match the practice.
> > >
> > > What "the rhetoric" are you referring to?
> > >
> > > >That has been obvious for a long time but I guess it is too much to ask
> > > >politicians to say what they really mean. There is no such thing as a
> > > >"level playing field" or "free trade", never has been, probably never
> > > >will be.
> > >
> > > Not in an absolute sense, of course not. These are abstractions,
> > > metaphors, even. Tariffs and subsidies are used to ensure a level
> > > playing field (its effects on those outside the playing field are not of
> > > direct concern) to allow free trade (within that playing field), as I've
> > > said. Sometimes they do that well and sometimes they're used
> > > counter-productively. Whining about politicians as a handy "them" to
> > > demonize is just rhetoric.
> > >
> > > --
> > > T. Max Devlin
> > > *** The best way to convince another is
> > > to state your case moderately and
> > > accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
>
> --
> Aaron R. Kulkis
> Unix Systems Engineer
> DNRC Minister of all I survey
> ICQ # 3056642
>
> L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
> can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> K: Truth in advertising:
> Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
> Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
> Special Interest Sierra Club,
> Anarchist Members of the ACLU
> Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
> The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
> Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
>
> J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
>
> I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
>
> H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> you are lazy, stupid people"
>
> G: Knackos...you're a retard.
>
> F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
>
> E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> her behavior improves.
>
> D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> ...despite (C) above.
>
> C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
>
> B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> direction that she doesn't like.
>
> A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux,alt.linux,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windows makes good coasters
Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 02:40:41 GMT
Ayende Rahien wrote:
>
> "Chris Ahlstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > And Win2K still has some problems holding over from its legacy
> > application control model. It is still possible for one
> > app to lock up the system, although at least Win2K will eventually
> > respond enough to let you kill the offending app.
>
> That is not what is called lock up.
> Lock up is when you *can't* kill the offending app.
> Unless you spesifically limited the amount of resources the application can
> take beforehand, that is possible in any OS.
How do you limit resources in NT/2000, Ayende? (Thanks in
advance for your answer, cause it would be a helpful thing
to know.)
Still, if an app hangs a system long enough, one might
be tempted to reboot unnecessarily. I've learned to watch
the task manager systray icon. If I'm running Word and it
stays all green (100% CPU usage), I just have to wait four
or five minutes (yawn) for Word to finish whatever crap
it's doing.
I must say I saw a bit of the same effect on Linux when
loading about 10 big JPEGs simultaneously in the GIMP.
Not as bad as I've seen it in NT/2000, but still annoying.
And I need to edit my partitions to make the swap partition
larger. RedHat 7.1 mentioned a size increase, after I
set up the partitions of course (grrr). The lord taketh away
from /tmp and giveth to <swap>.
Chris
--
Free the Software!
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From: Brent R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux and MP3s
Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 02:48:23 GMT
"." wrote:
>
> Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > "." wrote:
> >>
> >> Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> > "." wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >> > Mark Styles wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Fellow advocates,
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I currently have my entire CD collection stored in MP3 format on a
> >> >> >> 30Gb hard drive in a Windows PC.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Because I use that PC for other things, which sometimes interfere with
> >> >> >> the music, I've been busy building a new PC to be a dedicated
> >> >> >> 'jukebox' on our LAN.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I've decided as an experiment to install Linux on the new PC to see
> >> >> >> how well it handles my musical needs.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> My question is, what applications should I use to emulate XingMP3
> >> >> >> Player functionality?
> >> >>
> >> >> > There are several. When you do the install, they'll be available
> >> >> > on the appliations menu.
> >> >>
> >> >> Uhh...wrong. The default xmms install (assuming that you do not have
> >> >> gnome installed) drops everything in /usr/local/bin, but not into any
> >> >> "applications menu".
> >> >>
> >> >> Unless you are *specifically* using mandrake, you fucking moron.
> >> >>
> >> >> > If you put the drive with the MP3's in during installation, and
> >> >> > leave it alone (with it's current formatting, etc.), then it will
> >> >> > be mounted into the filesystem on your first boot-up.
> >> >>
> >> >> Are you insane? What the hell is the matter with you? It very much
> >> >> depends on which distribution youre using, cocksmack.
> >>
> >> > Worked for my Linux-illiterate friend on his first install.
> >>
> >> You dont even actually know what a 'distribution' is, do you.
>
> > I own several, you fool.
>
> You dont OWN any of them, you damnable moron. You own the MEDIA.
>
> Idiot.
>
> Fool.
>
> Asshole.
>
> Liar.
>
> Poser.
>
> -----.
>
> --
> "George Dubya Bush---the best presidency money can buy"
>
> ---obviously some Godless commie heathen faggot bastard
I can't believe I'm defending Aaron but at least he doesn't hide behind
a handle like the shivering little girl you are.
--
- Brent
http://rotten168.home.att.net
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From: "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: bank switches from using NT 4
Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 02:51:09 GMT
"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Said Tom Wilson in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Mon, 07 May 2001 13:01:08
> >"Jan Johanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:3af69816$0$12207$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> ><snip>
> >
> >> Ask the japanese market why it doesn't own us. They come out with a new
OS
> >> every other month. They introduce new hardware completely incompatible
with
> >> the previous hardware quartly. They just do whatever is new and cool
> >> whenever it's available. yep - all the latest funnest toys for them -
and
> >> backward compatibility be damned. ... hmmm... and we've never felt a
single
> >> tiny itch of competition from them when usually the Japs take an
american
> >> idea, improve and repackage it and beat us at our own game.
> >
> >I can remember back in the early eighties when they proposed a Zilog-Z80
> >based home computer standard (Trying as hard as I can to remember the
name
> >of the thing. ASX keeps coming to mind, but, I'm sure that's the wrong
> >acronym) It was light-years behind what Apple and Commodore had already
> >done. Their marketing effot over here died as quickly as it started.
That's
> >the only time I can remember them being so clueless when it came to
> >technology.
>
> I heard of the ASX (I do think that's right, actually, either way I know
> the system you're referring to) about a year ago, ironically. As an
> example of the continuing activity of this standards-based alternative.
> There are several tens of thousands of these systems still functioning!
>
> According to Jan's theory, that means the ASX should have kicked
> Microsoft's ass, because they're even more "backwards compatible", since
> the platform has been entirely stagnant for well over a decade.
>
> >> Wanna take a guess why Windows is so popular? Backwards compability (I
> >know,
> >> not 100% so don't quibble on that point) is the thing. A guy with a
copy
> >of
> >> Windows 95 and software from 5 years ago will mostly likely still be
able
> >to
> >> run his stuff when he upgrades to WinXP. Hardware from 95 will still
most
> >> likely run in a machine purchased in 2002 (still plenty of motherboards
> >with
> >> ISA slots if that's the hang up).
> >
> >That sort of backwards compatability has been a big thorn in MS's side.
(Why
> >upgrade when the old stuff works fine?) It won't surprise me to see
legacy
> >obsolescence happen a lot sooner with XP. Especially if their efforts at
> >diversifying don't bear fruit.
>
> Jan's fanciful argument is interesting. The whole idea of "backwards
> compatibility" makes as little sense when you talk about Microsoft as
> "interoperability" does. "Backwards compatibility" is both the bane and
> the boon for Microsoft, as you and he have noted; it is, inevitably, the
> root of Microsoft's monopoly.
...And the weight around their necks, now that the market is "fished-out".
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From: "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows NT: lost in space?
Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 02:51:07 GMT
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Tom Wilson wrote:
> >
> > "Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> > > > Yes...they are a nation of chess-players, compared to the US, which
> > > > is a nation of poker-players.
> > > >
> > > > when it comes to this sort of algorithm development, the
chess-player's
> > > > mind will always be the best for the task
> > > >
> > > Mind you, wouldn't you play chess if you lived in Siberia, from
negative
> > > 50 degrees celcius during the winter to a max of 35-40 degrees celcius
> > > during the summer.
> >
> > Explains the massive amounts of Vodka guzzled, too.
>
> No...the vodka guzzling is for the same reason that medieval Europe lived
> on wine... fresh water that isn't properly treated is potentially lethal.
> And most tap water in Russia is NOT potable
I wish *I* could find so good an excuse as that (Big vodka fan) <g>
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