Linux-Advocacy Digest #740, Volume #27 Mon, 17 Jul 00 21:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: Tinman digest, volume 2451743 (Tholen) (Marty)
Re: Tinman digest, volume 2451743 (Tholen) (tinman)
Re: Malloy digest, volume 2451744 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Thorne digest, volume 2451744 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Tinman digest, volume 2451743 (Tholen) (Marty)
Re: What I've always said: Netcraft numbers of full of it ("Drestin Black")
Re: What I've always said: Netcraft numbers of full of it ("Drestin Black")
Re: What I've always said: Netcraft numbers of full of it ("Drestin Black")
Re: Tinman digest, volume 2451744 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: What I've always said: Netcraft numbers of full of it ("Drestin Black")
Re: What I've always said: Netcraft numbers of full of it ("Drestin Black")
Re: Tinman digest, volume 2451744 (Tholen) (tinman)
Re: Tinman digest, volume 2451743 (tholenbot)
Re: Just curious, how do I do this in Windows? ("Drestin Black")
Re: Tinman digest, volume 2451743 (Tholen) (tholenbot)
Re: Just curious, how do I do this in Windows? ("Drestin Black")
Re: Just curious, how do I do this in Windows? ("Drestin Black")
Re: Tinman digest, volume 2451743 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: Marty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
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Subject: Re: Tinman digest, volume 2451743 (Tholen)
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 00:15:12 GMT
Tinman wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Marty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > tinman wrote:
> > >
> > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jacques Guy
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > > [...]
> > > > > Not as long as Joe Malloy is around.
> > > > [...]
> > > > > Who are those?
> > > > [...]
> > > > > You're presupposing the existence of source code.
> > > >
> > > > L'a vraiment que dalle a foutre alors, le mec.
> > >
> > > Pardon, mais je ne comprende pas.
> >
> > See what he means?
>
> Not at all. ("
So much for your French.
> > > "Foutre," bien s�r, mais qu'est-ce que ca va dire "dalle a foutre
> > > alors"?
> >
> > How ironic.
>
> Indeed.
Glad you agree.
> > > (ask I, hoping my french is good enough to have been clear.....)
> >
> > Too bad your logic was not.
>
> What alleged "logic"?
See what I mean?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (tinman)
Crossposted-To:
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Subject: Re: Tinman digest, volume 2451743 (Tholen)
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 20:19:27 -0400
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Marty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Tinman wrote:
> >
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Marty
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > tinman wrote:
> > > >
> > > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jacques Guy
> > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > > > [...]
> > > > > > Not as long as Joe Malloy is around.
> > > > > [...]
> > > > > > Who are those?
> > > > > [...]
> > > > > > You're presupposing the existence of source code.
> > > > >
> > > > > L'a vraiment que dalle a foutre alors, le mec.
> > > >
> > > > Pardon, mais je ne comprende pas.
> > >
> > > See what he means?
> >
> > Not at all. ("
>
> So much for your French.
Indeed. Et toi?
>
> > > > "Foutre," bien s�r, mais qu'est-ce que ca va dire "dalle a foutre
> > > > alors"?
> > >
> > > How ironic.
> >
> > Indeed.
>
> Glad you agree.
Glad you're glad.
>
> > > > (ask I, hoping my french is good enough to have been clear.....)
> > >
> > > Too bad your logic was not.
> >
> > What alleged "logic"?
>
> See what I mean?
Nope. ('
--
______
tinman
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Malloy digest, volume 2451744
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 00:21:06 GMT
Here's today's Malloy digest. Notice how he tries to speak for
everyone else. Meanwhile, he ignores the matter of his parroting.
As for the alleged "pointless wonder", how ironic.
117> Tholen tholes:
117>
117> Prove it, if you think, Tholen.
117>
117> No, not a soul does. And you call yourself a "teacher!"
118> Ah, the Tholen has tholened us another pointless wonder.
118>
118> Here's today's Tholen digest, part MMDCVIX. Now he's lying that he's been
118> ignoring the issue which I have broached, but note how he still hasn't
118> produced anything at all of substance. Meanwhile, he persists in calling my
118> statement that he can't read a "bizarre claim" but those of these newsgroups
118> will know what I "claim" to be true. He brought up the matter about
118> frequenting "these precincts", but attempts to revise history by suggesting
118> that the issue was about his reasons, rather than mine. It was my claim,
118> not his, and he can't have it!
118>
118> The digest proper is in the usual sorry state:
118>
118> [nothing of value from Tholen!]
118>
118> Bye!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Thorne digest, volume 2451744
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 00:21:25 GMT
Today's Thorne digest:
1> The Tholy Source of All Tholenism Tholed forth:
1>
1> Please explain how you came to know that my sources are
1> presumptions, erroneous or otherwise.
Simple: you're not in a position to know.
1> The prez has another little "package" for you in his office, BTW.
Incorrect, Thorne.
1> If I were you, I'd hold my breath... he's had beans again, and
1> you know how he farts after that.
No, I don't know, Thorne.
1> No, I don't see what you mean.
I'm not surprised.
1> You claimed that I "still haven't learned."
And you verified it by stating you don't see what I mean.
1> What haven't I learned?
See what I mean?
1> That you're incapable of answering a direct question with a
1> direct answer?
Further proof that you still haven't learned.
1> Is that what I "still haven't learned?"
Further proof that you still haven't learned.
1> That would be right, because I still ask you direct questions.
And you still haven't learned, Thorne.
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From: Marty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Tinman digest, volume 2451743 (Tholen)
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 00:24:02 GMT
tinman wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Marty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Tinman wrote:
> > >
> > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Marty
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > tinman wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jacques Guy
> > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > > > > [...]
> > > > > > > Not as long as Joe Malloy is around.
> > > > > > [...]
> > > > > > > Who are those?
> > > > > > [...]
> > > > > > > You're presupposing the existence of source code.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > L'a vraiment que dalle a foutre alors, le mec.
> > > > >
> > > > > Pardon, mais je ne comprende pas.
> > > >
> > > > See what he means?
> > >
> > > Not at all. ("
> >
> > So much for your French.
>
> Indeed.
Glad you agree.
> Et toi?
Non sequitur.
> > > > > "Foutre," bien s�r, mais qu'est-ce que ca va dire "dalle a foutre
> > > > > alors"?
> > > >
> > > > How ironic.
> > >
> > > Indeed.
> >
> > Glad you agree.
>
> Glad you're glad.
Irrelevant.
> > > > > (ask I, hoping my french is good enough to have been clear.....)
> > > >
> > > > Too bad your logic was not.
> > >
> > > What alleged "logic"?
> >
> > See what I mean?
>
> Nope. ('
So much for your English.
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From: "Drestin Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: What I've always said: Netcraft numbers of full of it
Date: 17 Jul 2000 19:25:56 -0500
"Rob Hughes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:396f2dc3$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "Drestin Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:W3qb5.3702$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >
> > > Which is better:
> > > a) server that run MULTIPLE functions and can stay up for a year or
more
> >
> > wow, like our NT4 servers!
>
> A game of Solitaire while running as a WINS (yeech... NetBIOS) server
> doesn't count.
>
> >
> > > b) a server that can only do ONE thing (mail, webserving, file
serving)
> > > and even then crashes every 45 days or less.
> >
> > like the sun boxes we replace often!
>
> Why are you replacing them? Because you've mucked them up because you
> couldn't figure them out?
because they couldn't run Solitaire, let alone WINS, without crashing... :)
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From: "Drestin Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: What I've always said: Netcraft numbers of full of it
Date: 17 Jul 2000 19:27:50 -0500
"abraxas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8kni8v$1tst$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > "Drestin Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> >>so, they need 6000 linux boxes to achive zero downtime and perform text
> >>searches? oh yea, you are REALLY impressing me now...
> >
> > Nope --- but they do a hell of a lot of cross-indexing.
> >
> > http://www.internetwk.com/lead/lead060100.htm
> >
> > Google's search algorithm requires massive computing power. Google
> > weights each Web page for importance by analyzing the pattern of
which
> > pages link to others over all 300 million pages the search engine
> > indexes. Google's process entails 500 million variables and 2 million
> > terms to index every month, resulting in about 1 terabyte of data to
> > index.
> >
> > The whole article is worth reading.
> >
>
> Dresden will swear up and down that windows can do it too (and will of
course
> be lying, as usual).
>
> But again, as usual, his argument will collapse entirely under the burden
> of proof.
>
so tell us, specifically, why servers running Windows could not do what the
servers running linux @ Google do? Forget needing 6000 boxes. Why would the
OS be a limitation? Impress us by showing ANY technical knowledge
whatsoever!
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From: "Drestin Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: What I've always said: Netcraft numbers of full of it
Date: 17 Jul 2000 19:30:01 -0500
"Mathias Grimmberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (abraxas) writes:
> > In comp.os.linux.advocacy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > "Drestin Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > >
> > >>so, they need 6000 linux boxes to achive zero downtime and perform
text
> > >>searches? oh yea, you are REALLY impressing me now...
> > >
> > > Nope --- but they do a hell of a lot of cross-indexing.
> > >
> > > http://www.internetwk.com/lead/lead060100.htm
> > >
> > > Google's search algorithm requires massive computing power. Google
> > > weights each Web page for importance by analyzing the pattern of
which
> > > pages link to others over all 300 million pages the search engine
> > > indexes. Google's process entails 500 million variables and 2
million
> > > terms to index every month, resulting in about 1 terabyte of data
to
> > > index.
> > >
> > > The whole article is worth reading.
> > >
> >
> > Dresden will swear up and down that windows can do it too (and will of
course
> > be lying, as usual).
>
> Please don't insult Dresden. It is a nice german city and would never
> say anything positive about Windows or lie about something.
>
was that a city filled with zealots who swore they'd take over the world
when the most popular but not necessarily perfect "other guys" firebombed
the piss outta it? or something like that...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Tinman digest, volume 2451744
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 00:30:49 GMT
Here's today's Tinman digest:
1> Writing problems, Dave?
Obviously not.
1> No, else I would not have asked.
Even more supporting evidence.
1> Yet you insist on using it incorrectly.
Typical pontification.
1> Another example.
Even more pontification.
1> I see you failed to answer my question, Dave.
Even more supporting evidence.
1> Irrelevent.
Incorrect, given that the chronology is quiet relevant, Tinman.
1> Also irrelevent.
How can a direct answer to your question be irrelevant, Tinman?
1> Read what again, Dave.
The answer, Tinman.
1> Where, Dave?
Here in this newsgroup, Tinman.
1> On the contrary.
Even more pontification.
1> Indeed.
Hence the digest.
1> Which one is that, Dave?
The one I am reading, Tinman.
1> Irrelevent, you're posting on four.
Irrelevant, given that reading is the issue, Tinman.
1> What alleged "FUD, bias, illogic, and unfairness"?
Yours, Tinman.
1> On the contrary.
Even more pontification.
1> Experience.
Even more pontification.
1> On the contrary.
Even more pontification.
1> The flames you specified, Dave.
You were the one who mentioned "flames", Tinman.
1> What alleged "lies," Dave?
Go back and look at every "incorrect" I've written in response to you,
Tinman, then look at what you wrote immediately prior to that.
2> I gaze at the wonderous blossoms fed by Tholen emissions and know it
2> to be true. ("
Speaking of lies, there's another.
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From: "Drestin Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: What I've always said: Netcraft numbers of full of it
Date: 17 Jul 2000 19:35:38 -0500
"abraxas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8ko04k$1tst$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Drestin Black <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> >> Oh really now dresden? Why dont you point me in the direction of
> > documentation
> >> that states that windows (in any form) can lode balance 6,000 nodes,
> > beowulf style.
> >
> > Nope. Can't find it. In fact, I don't find any hard set limits... Just
keep
> > throwing more servers into clusters. If you understood how things worked
> > you'd know that "6,000" is no magic number to either beowulf
>
> Actually, if you understood exactly what beowulf was, you would know that
> that sentence doesnt even make sense. That is, once again you are
pretending
> that you know what you are talking about, when in actuality you do not.
ahhh good ol abracadabra, stomping and pissing and moaning but again
providing exactly NO technical knowledge or content whatsoever. Attempting
to insult but nothing backing it... yawn...
>
> > or NTLB -
>
> Actually, there is a limit. 32 nodes, 8 processors per node. Now, it is
> possible to take an unlimited number of these "domains" (forgive the term,
> I do not know the windows terminology for such a beast) and make them all
> talk to eachother---but thats not exactly a 'cluster', thats more like a
> 'cluster of clusters'.
>
> And thats datacenter.
Well,l that paragraph explains just how much you know about this - fucking
nothing. 32 "Nodes" per cluster, up to 32 processors per node. And unlimited
number of clusters.
>
> With beowulf style clustering, you can create and tear down these
"domains"
> as you see fit, and any individual one can be any size. You can do this
live,
> on the fly, while clustered processes are actually happening. The same is
simply
> not possible under windows.
You are wrong, completely and categorically wrong. You can change the size
and configuration of the clusters without ever taking it down. On the fly,
you can add or remove nodes as you'd like. Even down to individual CPUs. All
from a single remote MMC plugin. There was a demonstration of this during
the W2K rollout in Feb, did it live across several servers with
multiprocessors. Included load balancing and fall over demonstrations - but,
relax, "proof" is something you never needed to concern yourself with and I
won't worry you with having to actually be right or have facts...
>
<snip> > it
> > just happens that google has something about that number of boxes. I
can't
> > imagine needing 6000 boxes to do anything as simply as a lot of text
> > searches,
>
> You have no concept of DB architecture. Thanks for pointing that out for
the class,
> dresden.
empty statements - that is what you have a concept of. I surely do
understand DB architecture but explaining it is worthless to you.
>
> > index manipluation and web crawling ... other search engines do
> > just fine without requiring 6000 boxes... and you highlight this as a
"good"
> > thing? hmm...
>
> Actually, most of them go down fairly often, are very slow, and/or do not
have
> nearly the size index of google. Once again, you dont know what youre
talking
> about.
and you do? how is it that you know everything without revealing a single
shred of any evidence that you are anything but a fucking stupid lump of
crap? but you knew that too...
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From: "Drestin Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: What I've always said: Netcraft numbers of full of it
Date: 17 Jul 2000 19:38:08 -0500
"mlw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> [snippage]
> To simply say that the fortune 500 use NT, so it's good, is false. The
> fortune 500 companies can pay for the huge expenses that an NT
> environment will incur in exchange for the "strategic" business
> opportunities which the monopoly Microsoft provides. For the merely
> normal sized companies that do not have the clout to grab Microsoft's
> attention and good graces, NT is a disaster of unreliability and poor
> cost/performance.
>
unreliability and poor cost/performance? You couldn't be more wrong and if
you'd quit living in 3.51 days you'd know this. When is the last time anyone
not a linux zealot ever saw a blue screen? I can't remember. It's been over
a year I think. Crashes? That's what W98 is for, and even the beta of
Windows ME is as stable as most would want. W2K is as stable as any *nix you
could name. SP1 is coming out in the next week and it addresses a handful of
issues, most esoteric and minor and just add to the 5 9's of reliability W2K
is already able to deliver. 64,000 bugs? even 19,000 bugs? ha! not even 4
digits... and this from a 40 million line OS version .0 -- can you even find
a single comprehensive list of all the bugs and "issues" in the linux
kernel?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (tinman)
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Tinman digest, volume 2451744 (Tholen)
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 20:38:22 -0400
In article <ZyNc5.39933$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Here's today's Tinman digest:
>
> 1> Writing problems, Dave?
>
> Obviously not.
On the contrary.
> 1> No, else I would not have asked.
>
> Even more supporting evidence.
Of what?
> 1> Yet you insist on using it incorrectly.
>
> Typical pontification.
Lost your dictionary, Dave?
> 1> Another example.
>
> Even more pontification.
What alleged "pontification," Dave?
> 1> I see you failed to answer my question, Dave.
>
> Even more supporting evidence.
Of what, Dave?
> 1> Irrelevent.
>
> Incorrect, given that the chronology is quiet relevant, Tinman.
How so, Dave?
> 1> Also irrelevent.
>
> How can a direct answer to your question be irrelevant, Tinman?
By failed to be relevent, obviously.
> 1> Read what again, Dave.
>
> The answer, Tinman.
What alleged "answer," Dave?
> 1> Where, Dave?
>
> Here in this newsgroup, Tinman.
Which newsgroup, Dave?
> 1> On the contrary.
>
> Even more pontification.
See above.
> 1> Indeed.
>
> Hence the digest.
What you can digest is irrelevent, Dave.
> 1> Which one is that, Dave?
>
> The one I am reading, Tinman.
Which one is that, Dave?
> 1> Irrelevent, you're posting on four.
>
> Irrelevant, given that reading is the issue, Tinman.
On the contrary, posting is more relevent.
>
> 1> What alleged "FUD, bias, illogic, and unfairness"?
>
> Yours, Tinman.
You failed to answer the question, Dave.
>
> 1> On the contrary.
>
> Even more pontification.
See above.
> 1> Experience.
>
> Even more pontification.
And again.
> 1> On the contrary.
>
> Even more pontification.
One more time, Dave.
> 1> The flames you specified, Dave.
>
> You were the one who mentioned "flames", Tinman.
Incorrect. You mention them first, Dave.
>
> 1> What alleged "lies," Dave?
>
> Go back and look at every "incorrect" I've written in response to you,
> Tinman, then look at what you wrote immediately prior to that.
Why? You presume you are correct. Yet you are incorrect.
> 2> I gaze at the wonderous blossoms fed by Tholen emissions and know it
> 2> to be true. ("
>
> Speaking of lies, there's another.
On the contrary, they grow ever larger and more beautiful with your every
post. You provide wonderous manure indeed. ('
--
______
tinman
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From: tholenbot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Tinman digest, volume 2451743
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 20:47:22 -0400
In article <IDvc5.36603$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I do know what the word means, Tinman.
Typical pontification.
--
Prove that African swallows are non-migratory, if you think you can.
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From: "Drestin Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Just curious, how do I do this in Windows?
Date: 17 Jul 2000 19:45:53 -0500
"David Steinberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8ko44p$9uk$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Drestin Black ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> : ahh, the laugh of the "elite" eh?
>
> Hardly. I don't claim to be "elite." I'm three-quarters through an
> Computer Engineering undergrad degree, I've only had two programming
> jobs, and I'm not much of a hacker in my spare time, either.
>
> I've dabbled in many languages, but I'm only really competent in two,
> going on three.
>
<snip>
> I'm not saying that VB doesn't have some uses; the funny part is naming it
> as your "favourite" lanugage.
>
> Yes, if you want to quickly fill a simple need, and don't care about
> sacrificing efficiency, VB can be useful. It's also pretty forgiving of
> mistakes, and if you screw around for a while, you can usually stumble on
> some way of doing what you want. And there's a shiny-happy IDE, which
> often speeds up this process.
>
> I just can't see why anyone who has written as much code as you claim to
> would select VB as his favourite language. It's not particularly elegant,
> it's not particularly powerful, it doesn't lend itself to particularly
> good design. It can be useful, but so can Perl, which you don't
> like. Why do you actually *like* VB?
>
> From some of the things you've said in the past, I'm inclined to believe
> "preference" for VB is based mostly on ignorance of the alternatives.
>
OK David, who's experiences are limited to 2 of 3 classroom taught
langauges....
Please detail for us all just why you think VB is just so terribly
underpowered and weak and how, it would appear from your statments, to be so
vastly inferiour to every other langague (with or without "shiny-happy
IDE"s). I guess there must be 7 million developers out there without a clue
and all too stupid over 10 years to graduate from this childs language to
something seriously over complicated and lacking the advantage an IDE
provides. Something that requires more effort to get the syntax right than
spending that same effort in producing working code. You seem to prefer to
have your work harder which somehow you think means it must be better (cause
it took longer and more effort to produce exactly the same result).
I mean, if I can crank out a handy dandy tool to do what I want from
VBScript in a few minutes and you have labor away longer in "languagex" -
and both produce exactly the same results - how are you going to justify
your extra efforts without extra meaningful reward?
I would never claim VB as the ultimate language - but, to laugh it off or
simply ignore it ONLY because it's easy to use is, in my opinion, a huge
huge mistake.
p.s., As far as I know there is a basic compiler out there for pretty much
every OS - some better and some much worse that your typical VB version.
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From: tholenbot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Tinman digest, volume 2451743 (Tholen)
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 20:49:18 -0400
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jacques Guy
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> [...]
> > Not as long as Joe Malloy is around.
> [...]
> > Who are those?
> [...]
> > You're presupposing the existence of source code.
>
> L'a vraiment que dalle a foutre alors, le mec
Using made-up words again, Jacques? How predictable. Meanwhile, why
have you jumped into yet another discusssion?
--
Prove that African swallows are non-migratory, if you think you can.
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From: "Drestin Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Just curious, how do I do this in Windows?
Date: 17 Jul 2000 19:48:34 -0500
"Pete Goodwin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8kvemt$113$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <lSKb5.7577$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> "Drestin Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > ahh, the laugh of the "elite" eh?
>
> Visual Basic is seen as a toy by many people. It is BASIC after all, and
> you don't get _real_ (sic) programmers using it, do you? 8)
:)
>
> Having said that, I worked in London for a financial services company -
> half the group were VB programmers, the other half C++ programmers.
a very common mix...
>
> The nitty gritty stuff was done in C++ but a lot of the GUI stuff was
> done in VB.
a very common mix again...
>
> Each language to its place.
Thank you. I would swear the same.
>
> > hey, VB is easy to use. And it is fast and I dare say you won't find a
> > language more universaly recognized than basic. It does the job
> quickly -
> > when you need a quick job done. Prototype, RAD or even some smaller
> > client/server projects, VB has it's place. *I* laugh at the ignorance
> of
> > anyone that would choose to ignore a tool and prefer to do something
> the
> > harder way every time ... just because.
>
> Yes it is easy to use, however, I've heard that once you get beyond a
> certain point, things start to get very hard indeed.
I wonder what that point is? I've not really found it...
>
> I'm a Visual C++ programmer and I know how hard it is to create a GUI
> using it's MFC package. I'm also a Delphi programmer and I know how much
> easier it is to create GUI's in Delphi, much like VB. However, the fact
> that the two packages look similar in terms of their IDE doesn't reveal
> how _different_ the two are underneath. I've done some fairly complex
> packages (3D Graphics) in Delphi.
Delphi's strength seems to lie in the huge amount of included libraries and
things you can do outta the box. Once you fill your VB toolbox - I find both
very similar in performance and abilities. I have found there is WAY more
third party support for VB and VB, in one variation or another, powers most
applications macro or scripting languages as well as, of course, the popular
MS suites
>
> Having said that I've hardly used VB so I can't really comment too much
> on big applications with it. Plus I'm biased in favour of Delphi!
Delphi is cool - but I am an old time BASIC dog so my favour stays with what
I know best.
>
> Oh yeah, Delphi is coming to Linux, is there a VB for Linux yet?
I heard they dropped that, is it still on? VB for linux? I doubt it - but,
I'm certain there are BASIC compilers for Linux -- right?
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From: "Drestin Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Just curious, how do I do this in Windows?
Date: 17 Jul 2000 19:50:34 -0500
"abraxas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8knvdb$1tst$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Drestin Black <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> > oh, grow up and get a life child. You couldn't possibly know how much
code
> > I've done and copyrighted in my life. Yep, as in registered at the
copyright
> > office, not just a little (C) in some remarks somewhere.
> >
>
> Yeah? Lets see some examples, dresden.
>
> Not some examples of VB (which anyone with a mouse can write, literally),
> I want to see c, c++, fortran, etc. And ill know if you used 'visual *'
> to write it, as will approx. half of this newsgroup.
>
oh give me a break... sigh... you know that no matter what I would write
you'd just pick it apart and either call it shit or say it was copied. It's
a no win scenario. I haven't used Fortran since college (or RPG and Cobol).
C++ , it takes half a page to write hello world, fuck that. So... piss
off...
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Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Tinman digest, volume 2451743
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 00:50:55 GMT
Eric Bennett writes:
>> I do know what the word means, Tinman.
> Typical pontification.
Incorrect, given that the evidence for my understanding was
contained within that posting, Eric.
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