Linux-Advocacy Digest #740, Volume #31 Fri, 26 Jan 01 02:13:04 EST
Contents:
Re: Whistler predictions... ("JS/PL")
Re: Ramen worm/virus cracks NASA and others (spam)
Re: Comparison: Installing W2K and Linux 2.4 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Comparison: Installing W2K and Linux 2.4 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Ramen worm/virus cracks NASA and others ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Ramen worm/virus cracks NASA and others (Perry Pip)
Re: Comparison: Installing W2K and Linux 2.4 ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Comparison: Installing W2K and Linux 2.4 ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Comparison: Installing W2K and Linux 2.4 ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Getting first W2K server (Perry Pip)
Re: Microsoft is fired. ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
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From: "JS/PL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Whistler predictions...
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 01:17:38 -0500
"Charlie Ebert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> When whistler finally hit's market I predict the following.
>
> It will be a year after the release before any serious sales
> are made on the OS.
>
> Corporations will repel from the idea of having their installed
> base of software show up on Microsoft corporate registers
> for the viewing of *OTHERS* interested in prosecuting violators!
>
> Home users will FEAR Whistler and it's ability to report
> to Microsoft about the applications found on your machine
> and they will resist upgrade.
You don't know what the hell your talking about.
> The home user based community will begin the FEEL the pain of
> having to pay the extremely HIGH price for this OS.
You've seen the price MS will be charging? You must have ESP. Can you email
me next weeks winning powerball numbers.
> They will not have fixed their instability problems and will
> have mounted additional issues to be resolved as discovered
> by the dwindling user base.
What instability problems are present in NT5? I haven't run accross any in
11 months. Since whistler is NT5.x what is there to resolve? The user base
is growing by leaps and bounds. And will continue.
>
> But this isn't anything new for Microsoft. They have
> doubled the problems and the price of EVERY release
> of their Windows OS.
Problems doubled?? Get your head out of your ass and half your problems are
instantly solved.
The price is double?? I think the price of WinME with inflation factored is
cheaper than any OS Microsoft has ever sold in their 25 year history.
>
> And you can avoid all of this right now by going to this
> website and installing an OS on your computer tonight!
>
> http://www.debian.org
And reformatting and re-installing Windows tommorow when you find out half
your hardware won't run.
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From: spam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Ramen worm/virus cracks NASA and others
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 22:28:18 -0800
On 26 Jan 2001 04:19:54 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.) wrote:
>In comp.os.linux.advocacy Jan Johanson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> "Shane Phelps" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>>
>>>
>>> Conrad Rutherford wrote:
>>> >
>>> > "." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>>> > news:94q17o$13p$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>> > > In comp.os.linux.advocacy Conrad Rutherford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>>> > > > http://betanews.efront.com/article.php3?sid=980449212
>>> > >
>>> > > > Kaspersky Lab's is now reporting that the Linux-based virus 'Ramen'
>> is
>>> > now
>>> > > > "in the wild." The firm sent word around the net today that several
>> Web
>>> > > > sites have now been defaced by the malicious code, enough to up its
>>> > status
>>> > > > to "in the wild". Places affected by the bug include NASA, Texas
>> A&M,
>>> > and
>>> > > > Supermicro. As of right now, the worm only seems to be affecting
>> Redhat
>>> > 6.2
>>> > > > and 7.0 versions of Linux.
>>> > > > Using three known breachable security exploits in the operating
>> system,
>>> > > > Ramen can penetrate the system and take over root access to execute
>> its
>>> > > > payload.
>>> > >
>>> > > > One executive at Russia-based Kaspersky Labs told reporters "The
>>> > discovery
>>> > > > of the Ramen worm 'in-the-wild' is a very significant moment in
>> computer
>>> > > > history. Previously considered as an absolutely secured operating
>>> > system,
>>> > > > Linux now has become yet another victim to computer malware."
>>> > >
>>> > > No, it was never considered 'absolutely secure' by ANYONE. It is
>> highly
>>> > > securable. Theres a difference.
>>> >
>>> > But it can't even reach C2 level of security... NT is more "highly
>>> > securable" the NSA says...
>>>
>>>
>>> NT 3.51 on a Compaq box with no network connection or floppy drive was C2.
>>> I don't believe NT 4 or 5 were ever C2 certified in *any* configuration
>>> but I may be wrong.
>
>> You are wrong. NT4 was C2 certified with both a floppy and network
>> connection.
>
>No, it was NOT C2 certified with a network connection. You are absolutely
>incorrect.
>
Come on people there's an official web site to look all this info up
at
http://www.radium.ncsc.mil/tpep/epl/epl-by-class.html
NT 3.5 **NOT** 3.51 - Orange Book (non network) C2 1995
NT 4.0 Orange and Red book C2 November 1999
----
Glenn Davies
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Comparison: Installing W2K and Linux 2.4
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 26 Jan 2001 16:38:14 +1100
"Conrad Rutherford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>Oh really? Then perhaps you'll tell me why this article was taken from a
>PRO-LINUX website that was linked to by slashdot... (which is down right
>now, again!)
Because it wasn't. Simple as that.
You took *parts* of a description on how to manually upgrade an
existing installation to kernel 2.4 (carefully leaving out the parts
where the article mentions that you might as well just wait for
upgrade packages from the distributor), and surrounded them with some
weird editorializing to the effect that this was what needed to be
done to, quote, "do a BAREBONES Linux 2.4 install, no real apps, just
command line crap"
You also excitedly saw a comment to the effect that XF4.0 NVidia's drivers
needed to be patched to work with 2.4, and immediately included it in your
rant --- without, as it turns out, first checking your facts. If you had
done so, you would have found that NVidia's latest driver version worked
perfectly on 2.4, no patching required, and had been out for more than
a week.
In other words, your journalistic performance was both sloppy and dishonest.
You misrepresented the content of the original article, and failed to give
credit to its author. And you are *proud* of this?
Bernie
--
Never offend people with style when you can offend them with
substance.
Sam Brown
Washington Post, 26 January 1977
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Comparison: Installing W2K and Linux 2.4
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 26 Jan 2001 16:43:49 +1100
"Conrad Rutherford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>Gee, my scenario is how to install W2K versus how to install the 2.4
>kernel - is that a big stretch of the imagination for something someone
>might do? I didn't specify hardware or any conditions except, how to get it
>running BASICALLY.
So, why do you think you should compare apples and, well, cricket bats?
The two things you are "comparing" have nothing in common.
You should either compare trying to install W2k on a new, empty box vs
trying to install one of the popular Linux distributions on just such a
box,
OR
trying to upgrade an existing Linux machine to the 2.4 kernel, vs trying
to upgrade an existing W2k machine to the latest MS-internal build of
krnl32.dll (or whatever the kernel level stuff is called this week).
Bernie
--
I have been underestimated for decades. I have done very well that way
Helmut Kohl
German Chancellor since 1982
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Ramen worm/virus cracks NASA and others
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 01:36:12 -0500
Nic Bellamy wrote:
>
> Jan Johanson wrote:
> >
> > "Shane Phelps" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Unless the situation has changed substantially, C2 certification is issued
> > > to a system configuration (hardware + software), not an OS. Even
> > installing
> > > a SCSI hard disk in addition to the IDE disk a system is certified with
> > > will invalidate the original certification.
> >
> > The OS is certified, not the hardware, however the hardware is documented.
> > You'll note than when describing the certification and process, hardware is
> > not part of the process. C2 is not about hardware. Changing hard drive type
> > will not invalidate this configuration (think about it eh? If I ghost from a
> > SCSI to IDE drive - how is this less secure?)
> >
> > SO, read and remember - certification is for the OS, NOT the hardware.
>
> So installing an electronic keyboard sniffer does not invalidate the
> rating then?
Exactly WHICH admin is going to install the keyboard sniffer device and
plan for continued employment?
>
> Regards,
> Nic.
>
> -- Nic Bellamy <nic at asterisk dot co dot nz>
> IT Consultant, Asterisk Limited - http://www.asterisk.co.nz/
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Perry Pip)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Ramen worm/virus cracks NASA and others
Date: 26 Jan 2001 06:39:38 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 25 Jan 2001 20:32:12 -0600,
Jan Johanson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>"J Sloan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Conrad Rutherford wrote:
>>
>> > But it can't even reach C2 level of security...
>>
>> Actually there is work going on right now in that regard,
>> because government wants to make use of the power
>> of Linux, rather than having to choose between expensive
>> traditional RISC Unix solutions, or flaky pc server solutiuons.
>
>And W2K is being evaluted as we speak.
>
>>
>> > NT is more "highly securable" the NSA says...
>>
>> What a joke - nt can be configured on certain hardware
>> to get a nominal security rating, but if you install a network
>> card, or even a floppy, your security rating goes right out
>> the window. Not a very useful pc, huh?
>
>Wrong, completely and utterly wrong.
No you are wrong.
>NT4 sp6a certified WITH networking and floppy.
>http://www.radium.ncsc.mil./tpep/epl/entries/TTAP-CSC-EPL-99-001.html
This page mere says that NT can be networked, and that it can be C2
certified. It doesn't say you can do both simultaneously.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Comparison: Installing W2K and Linux 2.4
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 01:49:14 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Ain't it the truth!
>
> I just printed this out to take to my Windows user group meeting
> tonight. I hope you don't mind?
>
Translation: As a faithful member of the Windows Cult, I'm going to do
my best to use scare tactics to keep people from leaving the religion...
> They are going to howl when they see this :)
>
> On 24 Jan 2001 16:28:08 -0600, "Conrad Rutherford"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >OK, lesse...
> >
> >W2K:
> >Insert CD into a CD ROM and turn on computer. It boots and begins to
> >install. Enter your CD key, name and answer a few default prompts and
> >shortly thereafter you have the a very massively feature packed OS with a
> >familiar GUI up and running with all your hardware ready to rock. HTTP, FTP,
> >Media Server, Journaling file system, DirectX hardware acceleration of every
> >device, OpenGL running at the right refresh for that autodetected monitor
> >and video card and the list goes on. Browser ready, wordpad ready,
> >mediaplayer supporting pretty much every format (and others are a codec
> >autodownload away), graphics editor and viewers, handicapped accessiblity,
> >communications programs, telnet, ftp, massive network support - the list
> >just goes on and you can just sit back and watch it load.
> >
> >==========
> >
> >ok, now, how to do a BAREBONES Linux 2.4 install, no real apps, just command
> >line crap:
> >==========
> >
> >For the kernel (the latest stable at the time of writing is 2.4.0, and the
> >latest development version is 2.4.1-test8-10ac) go to kernel.org and start
> >downloading. You'll also need to update modutils and pppd, or as they are
> >formally called, modutils-2.4.0 and pppd-2.4.0. You can get both of these
> >via Freshmeat. You also better set aside some on-line time if you're a modem
> >user, since the kernel weighs in at about 20 MB in its most compressed
> >form.. While many users may be a little afraid of compiling the kernel or
> >programs -- I've found the kernel is much easier to compile than you may
> >ever guess. Odds are, all you'll need to know is about 10 commands at most,
> >and if that isn't even enough, here's a quick run-through of the kernel
> >compilation on an x86 Linux system. For a more extensive HowTo, check out
> >LinuxDoc.org, which has all sorts of HowTos.
> >
> >
> > 1.. First, let's make a boot disk, and we'll also stick a backup section
> >in LILO just in case. To make a boot disk, type:
> > mkbootdisk --device /dev/fd0 x.x.x This assumes a couple things. You need
> >to substitute your kernel version for x.x.x. An example would be 2.2.16 for
> >a pretty stock distribution, or 2.2.17-21mdk for Linux Mandrake 7.2.
> > 2.. Now, let's extract the kernel tarball. This is done like so:
> > tar -zxvf linux-x.x.x.tar.gz
> > Once again, for x.x.x, you substitute in the kernel version you
> >downloaded. Many of you will probably choose 2.4.0. I will assume your
> >kernel version is 2.4.0 for the rest of this HowTo. This command will
> >extract it to a directory called linux in whatever your working directory
> >is.
> > 3.. Now, let's rename it and move it into the source directory.
> > mv linux /usr/src/linux-2.4.0
> > 4.. Now, on my particular test machine, I needed to patch the kernel with
> >ReiserFS. Patches are applied with the following method:
> > cd /usr/src/linux-2.4.0
> > and then...
> > gzip -cd patchname.gz | patch -p0
> > OR
> > bzip2 -dc patchname.bz2 | patch -p0
> > What you use depends on the type of archive the kernel patch is, it will
> >be either .gz or .bz2
> > 5.. Now, this might be the tough part. From here, you need to decide what
> >options you want. Never fear, although, because the kernel configuration
> >utilities have a lot of help included in them. One tip -- know your
> >hardware! You can compile a graphical utility or a text-mode utility like
> >this:
> > make xconfig (for a X11 version of the configuration program)
> > make menuconfig (for a command-line version)
> > This will also run whatever program you compile immediately after
> >compilation. Shuffle through those options and setup what you need. A tip
> >for NVidia users -- don't compile in agpgart, because NVidia uses nvagp,
> >which can cause problems with the NVidia closed-source drivers. At any rate,
> >you can load agpgart as a module, like it's done in many distributions. Now
> >that you've saved your kernel configuration, you'll be instructed to do a
> > make dep,
> > so let's do just that.
> > 6.. Next, we need to clear out those temp files from the source, which
> >we'll want to keep on the system.
> > make clean
> >
> > 7.. Now, we need an image Linux can recognize.
> > make bzImage
> > This makes an image and places it under
> >/usr/src/linux-2.4.0/arch/i386/boot/bzImage .
> > 8.. Now, we need to make our modules. Here's how we do it:
> > make modules
> > make modules_install
> > 9.. Okay, the hard parts are done. Now we just need to move the image to
> >the right place and tell LILO where it is. Here's how you can do just that:
> > mv /usr/src/linux-2.4.0/arch/i386/boot/bzImage /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.0
> > Then, we need to edit the /etc/lilo.conf file to include your new
> >kernel -- don't worry too much, we have a backup kernel, as well as an
> >emergency boot disk.
> > vi /etc/lilo.conf
> > This allows you to edit your lilo.conf file with vi. Of course, there is
> >also ed, mcedit, emacs, and many more. Add the following section to your
> >lilo.conf right under the other section that looks the same:
> > image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.0
> > label=linux-2.4.0
> > root=/dev/sda6
> > read-only
> > There are, however; there is one thing we need to talk about. Under the
> >section root=, you need to modify it to tell it where your /boot partition
> >exists. You can find this out under /etc/fstab. The shown root is for a boot
> >partition on a SCSI hard disk, and hda6 would be the sixth slice of primary
> >hard disk on the first IDE controller.
> > 10.. Now, we need to run LILO to make sure it knows about our changes.
> >Just run it like so:
> > lilo.
> >
> >That's it! Reboot and you're set to go with your new kernel.
> >
> >It is also widely known that things break in the first version of a new
> >kernel (even though there has been extensive testing) and all new features
> >may not be included in the latest kernel.
> >
> >For example, ReiserFS is not included (just as it wasn't in 2.2), but it
> >will come along in kernel 2.4.1, which is now in a test phase. There are
> >also known issues with NVidia cards, which requires a patch to work with
> >kernel 2.4.0 -- go figure with NVidia.
> >
> >=================
> >
> >Sure - let's all do this, and make sure you don' mistype that mv
> >/usr/src/linux-2.4.0/arch/i386/boot/bzimage /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.0 - WHOOPS!!!
> >Didn't you see that capital "I" in bzImage wasn't a lower case L so it
> >didn't work - damn!!!
> >
> >ahahahahahahahahaah - I love this ... Linux 2.4 for the masses - YEA RIGHT!
> >This is an upgrade?
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> Flatfish
> Why do they call it a flatfish?
> Remove the ++++ to reply.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Comparison: Installing W2K and Linux 2.4
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 01:50:27 -0500
Conrad Rutherford wrote:
>
> "J Sloan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Conrad Rutherford wrote:
> >
> > > Oh really? Then perhaps you'll tell me why this article was taken from a
> > > PRO-LINUX website that was linked to by slashdot...
> >
> > If there is an article on how to compile a kernel from
> > scratch, it is clearly not meant for you, or other non
> > technical end users. It was meant for those who would
> > like to try compiling a kernel from scratch.
> >
> > End of story.
> >
> > Say, how do you do that in windows?
>
> Wouldn't know, never HAD to and never wanted to.
Translation: Conrad is completely fucking satisfied with
utterly UNSATISFACTORY performance
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Comparison: Installing W2K and Linux 2.4
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 01:52:00 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> "Conrad Rutherford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> >Oh really? Then perhaps you'll tell me why this article was taken from a
> >PRO-LINUX website that was linked to by slashdot... (which is down right
> >now, again!)
>
> Because it wasn't. Simple as that.
>
> You took *parts* of a description on how to manually upgrade an
> existing installation to kernel 2.4 (carefully leaving out the parts
> where the article mentions that you might as well just wait for
> upgrade packages from the distributor), and surrounded them with some
> weird editorializing to the effect that this was what needed to be
> done to, quote, "do a BAREBONES Linux 2.4 install, no real apps, just
> command line crap"
>
> You also excitedly saw a comment to the effect that XF4.0 NVidia's drivers
> needed to be patched to work with 2.4, and immediately included it in your
> rant --- without, as it turns out, first checking your facts. If you had
> done so, you would have found that NVidia's latest driver version worked
> perfectly on 2.4, no patching required, and had been out for more than
> a week.
>
> In other words, your journalistic performance was both sloppy and dishonest.
> You misrepresented the content of the original article, and failed to give
> credit to its author. And you are *proud* of this?
How else would you expect a cult-member to act?
>
> Bernie
> --
> Never offend people with style when you can offend them with
> substance.
> Sam Brown
> Washington Post, 26 January 1977
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Perry Pip)
Subject: Re: Getting first W2K server
Date: 26 Jan 2001 06:53:35 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 25 Jan 2001 21:41:28 GMT,
Joseph T. Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Bobby D. Bryant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>:> This deciding of buyiong W2K was made by CIO out of town, with none from
>:> technical group specially not invited, is this regular for Microsoft
>:> sellers to do this sneak attack?
>
>: It's not just Microsoft. I spent a while in IT at a big corporation, and
>: technical decisions were usually made by clueless middle managers after
>: being wined and dined (and probably other things) by salesmen. Technically
>: competent people were never consulted, because they couldn't be relied on
>: to give the "right" answer.
>
>
>Purchasing in general tends to be like that in the large companies
>I've worked for or with. :(
>
And there's one nice thing about free (beer) software...it doesn't
have to go thru purchasing or need funding approval.:)
Perry
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft is fired.
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 01:54:11 -0500
"Bobby D. Bryant" wrote:
>
> Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>
> > I don't think you've even looked at an MCSE study book, since the official
> > MS study books actually say the things you claim they don't.
>
> Then perhaps the question is, have the people running the world's second most
> visible Web site ever read the MCSE study book?
>
> Microsoft comes out looking like a tribe of fools no matter how you spin it.
>
> System crash? --> MS looks bad.
> Hax0red? --> MS looks bad.
> Clubie maintaining microsoft.com --> MS looks bad.
>
> The one basic thing that MS has never understood, and probably never will, is
> "professionalism". You can see that everywhere, in both their products and
> their services. It isn't part of their corporate culture.
Ain't that the truth.
My freaking bi-weekly programming projects in college were more professional.
At lease I could write an OS that didn't crap out every 30 minutes.
And it was MULTI-USER!
>
> Bobby Bryant
> Austin, Texas
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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