Linux-Advocacy Digest #747, Volume #27 Tue, 18 Jul 00 04:13:06 EDT
Contents:
Re: What I've always said: Netcraft numbers of full of it ("Boris")
Re: Linsux as a desktop platform (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Just curious, how do I do this in Windows? (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Just curious, how do I do this in Windows? (David Steinberg)
Re: Linsux as a desktop platform (T. Max Devlin)
Re: What I've always said: Netcraft numbers of full of it ("Boris")
Re: Linsux as a desktop platform (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Just curious, how do I do this in Windows? (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Just curious, how do I do this in Windows? (Pete Goodwin)
I just don't buy it (Ian Pulsford)
Re: Just curious, how do I do this in Windows? ("Boris")
Re: Linsux as a desktop platform (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Linsux as a desktop platform (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (T. Max Devlin)
Re: To Pete Goodwin: How Linux saved my lunch today!
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From: "Boris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: What I've always said: Netcraft numbers of full of it
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 00:14:41 -0700
"Nathaniel Jay Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> John Hughes wrote:
> >
> > "Rob Hughes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:396f2dc3$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >
> > > "Drestin Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:W3qb5.3702$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > >
> > > > > Which is better:
> > > > > a) server that run MULTIPLE functions and can stay up for a year or
> > more
> > > >
> > > > wow, like our NT4 servers!
> > >
> > > A game of Solitaire while running as a WINS (yeech... NetBIOS) server
> > > doesn't count.
> > >
> >
> > Our NT4 main NT4 server serves up a web site and a 20GB database for a
> > client server application. We do 1000's of transactions per hour and its
> > NEVER went down.
>
> You do realize that Muphy's law states that now that you have said this
> it will probably go down tonight?
>
> Just kidding, although I am interested at how this happened. I haven't
> ever seen the same myself.
NT4 Server with latest Service Packs is very stable. I worked at .COM site; now dead
(but
reasons are purely economical rather than technical) where most servers were NT4 (with
exception of Oracle on Sun and a couple of DEC systems). There were > 100 NT4 servers
in
NOC. There used to be NT crashes ~2 years ago or so, but eventually they virtually
eliminated them. And they didn't reboot NT either. They did restart speech-processing
apps
every night because of memory/resource leaks, but it had nothing to do with NT.
NT4 was buggy when first released ~ 4 years ago. But it's fine now.
Boris
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linsux as a desktop platform
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 03:17:29 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said Christopher Smith in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
>"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
[...]
>> I never "refused" to learn anything in my life.
>
>Well, these last few days must have been pretty rough with that new
>experience.
You're still not clear on this, are you? I learned much more than you
did in the last few days. You're still lagging, by an incredibly large
amount.
>> If your explanations
>> weren't clear enough for me to learn from, that's your fault, not mine.
>
>Bullshit. The onus of learning is on the student, not the teacher.
That is not the issue. The onus of teaching is on the teacher.
>Whilst
>you've been subtly trying to blame us for your ignorance, lack of knowledge
>and refusal to do anything on your own to try and rectify the situation,
>no-one's buying it.
No ones selling it, Christopher.
>Perhaps I'm somewhat strange in this, but if I express an opinion on a topic
>I know that I know nothing about, and a half-dozen people imeediately
>disagree, then I take that as a sign that I need to go and do a little bit
>of research.
I take it as a sign I need to keep my ears open. Many aren't as
bull-headed as you are, and several very helpful and illuminating (not
to mention reasonably civil and entirely free of ad hominem) messages
have been posted in the last day and a half. I'm rather clear on the
issue, now, thanks.
>Hell, scratch that, I'd never express an opinion on something I didn't know
>anything about. It's tantamount to lying.
That's incredibly pointless of you to say. Must you make it so clear
that you merely wish to use this as a pretext for attacking me? Are you
so unable to deal with the real world, where this little brouhaha has
about as much meaning as whether the Yankees will field a good team this
year?
[...]
>We expect a certain amount of basic knowledge.[...]
Too bad.
--
T. Max Devlin
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Managed Services
ELTRAX Technology Services Group
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Just curious, how do I do this in Windows?
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 07:13:58 GMT
In article <JMNc5.21827$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Drestin Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Yes it is easy to use, however, I've heard that once you get beyond
a
> > certain point, things start to get very hard indeed.
>
> I wonder what that point is? I've not really found it...
I think the articles I've read on the subject suggest it occurs when you
want to do something 'out of the ordinary', whatever that means.
> Delphi's strength seems to lie in the huge amount of included
libraries and
> things you can do outta the box. Once you fill your VB toolbox - I
find both
> very similar in performance and abilities. I have found there is WAY
more
> third party support for VB and VB, in one variation or another, powers
most
> applications macro or scripting languages as well as, of course, the
popular
> MS suites
Yep there certainly is more support for VB. Delphi can use the same OCX
controls as VB but I find I rarely use them as the Delphi native ones
are more integrated into Delphi.
> > Having said that I've hardly used VB so I can't really comment too
much
> > on big applications with it. Plus I'm biased in favour of Delphi!
>
> Delphi is cool - but I am an old time BASIC dog so my favour stays
with what
> I know best.
Ever given much thought to trying anything else?
> > Oh yeah, Delphi is coming to Linux, is there a VB for Linux yet?
>
> I heard they dropped that, is it still on? VB for linux? I doubt it -
but,
> I'm certain there are BASIC compilers for Linux -- right?
No, Kylix is coming this year (hopefully). I dunno about BASIC compilers
but there certainly are BASIC interpreters.
--
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Steinberg)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Just curious, how do I do this in Windows?
Date: 18 Jul 2000 07:24:36 GMT
Drestin Black ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: OK David, who's experiences are limited to 2 of 3 classroom taught
: langauges....
Should I repeat my entire previous message, or will you just ignore it all
again?
I don't claim to be anything special. I'm not the one who is making
obviously false claims about how much code I've written, and then failing
to back them up. That would be you.
So to rub my face in the fact that I'm only competent in 2-3 languages
is not particularly effective, since I just told you as much. Also note
that I did say I have dabbled in more languages, thus your statement about
my experiences being "limited" to 2 is false.
: Please detail for us all just why you think VB is just so terribly
: underpowered and weak and how, it would appear from your statments, to be so
: vastly inferiour to every other langague
I didn't say that at all. I said that I agree with you in that it has
its uses, but I asked what made it your *favourite* language. I said
that, compared to certain other languages, it lacks in raw power, compared
to others, it lacks in elegance. As a language, there's just not much
there. As I see it, most of what it has going for it comes down to a
"shiny-happy IDE", meaning an quick and easy-to-use GUI-builder. Is that
what you consider to define a good language?
: I mean, if I can crank out a handy dandy tool to do what I want from
: VBScript in a few minutes and you have labor away longer in "languagex" -
: and both produce exactly the same results - how are you going to justify
: your extra efforts without extra meaningful reward?
Here's a question for you: can you describe a simple program that can be
written in C or C++, but not is VB? If so, you've proven the flaw in your
own statement. If not, it should be very easy for others to judge your
knowledge of non-VB programming languages.
I suspect you'll dodge and/or ignore this challenge, just as you did the
previous one.
: I would never claim VB as the ultimate language - but, to laugh it off or
: simply ignore it ONLY because it's easy to use is, in my opinion, a huge
: huge mistake.
You said it's your favourite language. I wondered why you would
name it as such; I never said it should be laughed off or ignored.
--
David Steinberg -o)
Computer Engineering Undergrad, UBC / \
[EMAIL PROTECTED] _\_v
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linsux as a desktop platform
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 03:25:55 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said Colin R. Day in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
>"T. Max Devlin" wrote:
>
>> >which, by definition, is not CMT.
>>
>> No, I am trying to suggest that a CMT system which does not need to
>> "forcibly move things around" might be possible. A CMT with a more
>> comprehensive mechanism for allowing non-active processes to effectively
>> pre-empt the active process without requiring an external scheduler.
>> ^^^^^^^^^
>
>Wouldn't that make it PMT?
The use of "effectively" to modify the verb would make it more akin to
"virtual PMT", I would think.
>> Perhaps token passing in place of polling might be a suitable
>> comparison, or at least analogy. Do you see what I mean?
>
>It doesn't matter how the pre-empting is done. If a nonactive process
>can pre-empt an active one, then you have PMT
Thus my confusion, as the previous explanations seemed to focus on the
use of a scheduler and a system-wide algorithmic method (obvious
pre-requisites for having a non-active process pre-empt an active one,
so to speak, but different concepts). I recalled how years ago when all
this multi-tasking mumbo-jumbo started happening on the PC, and people
were discussing CMT and PMT, the issue always seemed to get religious,
with a steady claim against the Mac as not being "real" multi-tasking,
but then even the critics still called it multi-tasking; it was quite
confusing. I vaguely remember some counter-claim about Windows PMT not
being fully qualified, as well. Does anyone have any info on how
Windows and NT PMT might differ from Unix?
--
T. Max Devlin
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Managed Services
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From: "Boris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: What I've always said: Netcraft numbers of full of it
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 00:27:45 -0700
"mlw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Drestin Black wrote:
> >
> > "mlw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > [snippage]
> > > To simply say that the fortune 500 use NT, so it's good, is false. The
> > > fortune 500 companies can pay for the huge expenses that an NT
> > > environment will incur in exchange for the "strategic" business
> > > opportunities which the monopoly Microsoft provides. For the merely
> > > normal sized companies that do not have the clout to grab Microsoft's
> > > attention and good graces, NT is a disaster of unreliability and poor
> > > cost/performance.
> > >
> >
> > unreliability and poor cost/performance? You couldn't be more wrong and if
> > you'd quit living in 3.51 days you'd know this. When is the last time anyone
> > not a linux zealot ever saw a blue screen?
>
> Actually, I saw one today with a dual processor domain controller.
Have you ever tried to research why it crashes? How do you know that it's NT fault?
Maybe
hardware is faulty. Or maybe you installed some kernel-mode software which was
responsible
for that (there're lots of 3rd party kernel-mode software around: firewalls, anti-virus
packages, device drivers).
I once worked for unix software company which bought VMS box to test their software
on. I
heard complains about that box that it crashes every 2 hours. But VMS solutions are
supposed to be the most reliable ones out there. Btw, nobody in that company new
anything
about VMS/DEC hardware. Is it a coincidence? Maybe it is and maybe it isn't.
Boris
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linsux as a desktop platform
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 03:28:22 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said void in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
>On Sun, 16 Jul 2000 18:16:23 -0400, T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>If people keep popping up with it, it isn't a bogus argument.
>
>Tell it to Galileo.
I missed the reference. Galileo?
I meant that it might be a false argument, but it shouldn't be
considered bogus if it repetitively comes from independent sources. I'd
be interested in hearing about Galileo's experience with arguments
popping up, though. Could you explain?
--
T. Max Devlin
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Managed Services
ELTRAX Technology Services Group
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Just curious, how do I do this in Windows?
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 07:19:26 GMT
In article <JYNc5.21905$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Drestin Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yes... and I think VB is closer to universal than C++ or Perl which
most
> "good" programmers could figure out. I mean, "IF this THEN that ELSE
> theotherthing kinda stuff is what VB proudly touts, no semicolons, and
> brackets all over the place. Just write the code and get the job done.
I
> like that...
What about
IF x THEN
IF y THEN
ELSE
ENDIF
ELSE
ENDIF
Does VB cope with nested IF THEN ELSE? How does it know which IF the
ELSE applies to? Is it terminated by the ENDIF?
> VB better than C++? In sheer power and what they can do, C++ wins
pretty
> much hands down. In ease of use, I feel VB wins over all you listed.
Java is
> good but I think more hype than real innovation there. (by the way: I
do not
> like C# either). I would rather code in Delphi than Java. I am not a
big fan
> of perl but I can't see what perl does, better, faster, easier than
VB?
VB is certainly easier to write GUI's in than C++, at least Visual C++.
But somethings the reverse is true - you wouldn't write a device driver
in VB, or an OS.
--
---
Pete
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Just curious, how do I do this in Windows?
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 07:23:18 GMT
In article <92Tc5.50782$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Boris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Visual J++ was the best Java
environment until Sun
> started litigation process and court prohibited MS to sell Java. I'm
sure that MS will get
> .NET development tools right very fast.
Visual J++ was a nice IDE - however it generated Java that didn't work
with anything other than Internet Explorer. I rebuilt the code with
Sun's Java compiler and then it worked with Internet Explorer and
Netscape, and it worked on Digital UNIX.
Microsoft tried to derail Java by adding their own extensions to it
that locked you onto the Windows platform. Not a bright idea for a
language expressly created for multiplatform support.
--
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Pete
Coming soon: Kylix!
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Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 17:26:23 +1000
From: Ian Pulsford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: I just don't buy it
Hi,
There has been some discussion about M$ .NET. I just don't see the
advantages of it from a home user perspective or a business perspective.
1. Is a home user really going to want to store private documents on
some remote server?
2. Why would I want to log onto the internet everytime I want to write a
short letter or note?
3. Why clog up internet bandwidth more with stuff that really belongs on
the home PC/business file server?
4. What company would trust strorage of information to a server on the
internet?
5. Hard drive capacity gets bigger every year, no need for
'internetwork' disk space.
6. Intel, AMD, etc want to sell faster expensive processors, not cheap
thin client gear.
7. Everyone already has an office suite of some sort
8. What can .NET do that an intranet + an internet gateway cannot do?
Plus probably loads of other reasons.
Of course, in the future internet bandwidth will increase with
technology, and everyone in a modern country may have a permanent
connection via cable just like a phone service or TV aerial, but where
is the advantage of keeping information/applications remotely as opposed
to retaining them locally?
The only 'advantage' I can see is tricking the PHB tools of microsoft
into buying M$ .NET and making extra cash for M$. Of course SUN et al.
have to push their equivalent technologies. So everyone rushes towards
an idea that seems to have little real merit.
IanP
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From: "Boris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Just curious, how do I do this in Windows?
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 00:33:20 -0700
Gee retard.
Boris
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
>
> Spud wrote:
> >
> > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >
> > >
> > > abraxas wrote:
> > > >
> > > > In comp.os.linux.advocacy Drestin Black
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > "abraxas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > news:8kefaj$3p2$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > >> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Drestin Black
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >> > Rob:
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > I didn't read the code because I have a few questions before
> > I even
> > > > > begin to
> > > > >> > think about how to do this in windows.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >>
> > > > >> You didnt read the code because you CANT read the code,
> > dresden.
> > > > >
> > > > > and again, you provide nothing but an attempt at insult. go
> > mutilate
> > > > > yourself some more...
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > You dont know how to read code, because you are an IT
> > professional. You
> > > > know how to hook up printers, and thats about it. Now stop trying
> > to
> > > > fool everyone and go back to changing toner.
> > > >
> > >
> > > No..he also replaces big, ORACLE databases servers on Unix with
> > > Microsoft
> > > Exchange running on LoseNT....
> > >
> > > NOT!
> >
> > "NOT" is absolutely correct. Only a complete idiot would even
> > *contemplate* replacing a database server with a messaging server.
> > Whoops, someone did contemplate it.
>
> Yes, that would be resident troll, Drestin Black, who claims to
> do exactly that.
>
>
> --
> Aaron R. Kulkis
> Unix Systems Engineer
> ICQ # 3056642
>
> I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> you are lazy, stupid people"
>
> A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
>
> B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
>
> C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
> sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
> that she doesn't like.
>
> D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
>
> E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> ...despite (D) above.
>
> F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
> response until their behavior improves.
>
> G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
>
> H: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linsux as a desktop platform
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 03:33:49 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said void in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
>On Sun, 16 Jul 2000 19:36:03 -0400, T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>Without your emotional insistence on beginning your response in this
>>way, your message would have been much more likely to receive a reaction
>>based on its technical value. You are sabotaging yourself, Gary, and I
>>think you should ask yourself why.
>
>Since he has nothing to learn from you, it's hardly self-sabotage. And
>since you're so good at logic, I won't point out the obvious implication
>of that statement.
I wasn't speaking of my own interaction with him. I was merely trying
to help the man. He was responding to someone else to begin with. I
thought it worth pointing out that to begin an otherwise interesting and
informative response with 'boy, are you clueless' and such is really
contrary to the reason for either posting, or continuing to say
anything. I assume he's not just posting to read his own messages. He
seems to take offense when people don't pay attention to what he's
saying. So why is he trying so hard to ensure they won't pay attention
to what he's saying?
If you're going to call someone clueless, do it at the end of the post,
not at the beginning.
--
T. Max Devlin
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Managed Services
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linsux as a desktop platform
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 03:36:18 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said Slava Pestov in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, T. Max Devlin
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> What do you mean by "responsive"? I think you're only considering the
>> average responsiveness of all applications. The whole point of CMT is
>> that, when under load, the *average* response can go to hell (to a
>> certain level; connections don't time-out in nanoseconds), as long as
>> the process the user interface is concerned with at the moment can grab
>> *almost* the entire CPU, if it needs it.
>>
>
>You have been proven wrong over and over again, yet you continue to
>waffle on and demonstrate your ignorance.
Apparently, you miss the point. I'm here to discuss things, not prove
whether I'm right or wrong.
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 03:37:21 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said Bob Hauck in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
>On Sun, 16 Jul 2000 18:40:40 -0400, JS/PL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>>> You argue from an intentional position of ignorance. Its boring.
>>
>>No - a bunch of socialist personality types sitting around agreeing
>
>Max wins that one. Five-yard penalty.
Thanks, Bob. Nice style.
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T. Max Devlin
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Managed Services
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: To Pete Goodwin: How Linux saved my lunch today!
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 23:58:08 -0700
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Spud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:F8Rc5.1516$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> [snips]
>
> Smae thing you do now. "I need to get to application X." Okay, fine,
> click the taskbar entry to take you to that screen. Only difference
> is, you'd click to get to the application, instead of the screen. Big
> deal. Been there, used those tools, on both platforms, they're at
> best eye candy.
...
> I've had all those things available since way back as well. Never yet
> found a use for them. Seems I'm able to click an application's
> taskbar entry just as easily as a desktop's taskbar entry, so I don't
> really gain any benefit.
The Windows 3.x style minimized applications icons and the Windows 9X style
task bar enteries are hardly a subsitute for multiple desktops. You are
missing the point of the benefit of having miltiple virtual desktops. What
David was trying to say and you missed it the fact that he could have many
programs running at the same time all positioned on one desktop just the way
he wants them. Another set of programs running on another desktop all layed
out just so.
When he wants to switch from one to another set of programs he switches to
the other desktop as on action on his part. All the programs on one desktop
are hidden away and all the programs on the other desktop are now inplace.
This switching does not require minimizing each program on the desktop as a
sepperate action and then wading through 50 minimized applications icons or
through 50 task bar enteries to locate the half dozen he want to restore and
possibly reactivate.
This is more than the eye candy that you call it. This is a real
productivity booster. What is more, the applications don't even have to
know they were not visible and continue to fuction normally, unlike Windows
applications. Some Windows programs continue to run when they are minimized
and some don't. With multiple desktop they just keep running as though they
were visible. There is no need for the program to repaint its windows'
client areas and for the system to repaint the nonclient areas of the
windows. This means the with multiple desktops there are less resources and
processor time consumed to support this compared your prefered menthod;
which means that there are more resources and processor time that can be
dedicated to the tasks at hand instead.
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