Linux-Advocacy Digest #228, Volume #28 Fri, 4 Aug 00 18:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: Be OR Linux (Erik Engheim)
Re: KDE2 Yahooo!!! (Erik Engheim)
Re: Tholen digest, volume 2451760.3556iu^-.00000000000000001 (tholenbot)
Re: Be OR Linux (Milton)
Re: Linsux as a desktop platform (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Lars_Tr=E4ger?=)
Re: Linsux as a desktop platform (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Lars_Tr=E4ger?=)
Re: Does Steve Ballmer post here? ("Joseph T. Adams")
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (Chad Irby)
Re: Does Steve Ballmer post here? (Bob Hauck)
Re: Malloy digest, volume 2451761 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Does Steve Ballmer post here? (Nathaniel Jay Lee)
Re: Miky Crackhead Byrns....COMNA coward ("Joseph T. Adams")
Re: Aaron-Kulkis-Style Conspiracy about Linux (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: LINUX, OF COURSE!! (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Linux or Windows 2000 ???? (Pete Goodwin)
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From: Erik Engheim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Be OR Linux
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 22:33:58 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Chris Robertson wrote:
> I know this is going to sound like a stupid post. Considering I am
posting
> to a Linux Newsgroup. However, I have reached my absolute limit with
> windows, It sucks entirely. I have SuSE Linux 6.4. Anyway, the point of
> this message is to ask: BeOS or Linux? I have both ready to install.
> However, I am going to destroy Windows entirely either way this works.
Let
> me put it this way: If EVERY Program EVER made was available for EVERY
> Operating system, I'd Think very hard between Linux and BeOS. Anyway, Let
> me know what you people think.
>
I know many people have allready said it in this thread but it can't be
said enough BeOS is simply i beautiful OS, BeOS what an OS should be. I
have Windows, BeOS and Linux installed on my PC. Use windows for games and
graphics (still don't think anything beats Photoshop), Linux for
programming and writing and BeOS for surfing. Well actually I surfe on all
OS's but BeOS is very nice in a number of ways. If it wasn't for the
application and hardware problem, BeOS would be the only OS om my computer.
You should try BeOS just too feel what an OS should be like, but you would
probably be better off with Linux at the moment since far more apps exist
for Linux.
Erik Engheim
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From: Erik Engheim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: KDE2 Yahooo!!!
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 22:45:21 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Rich C wrote:
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8m8gh1$7io$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Well, I was goofing around with KDE2beta3 on a test machine and WOW, now
> > its running on my desktop. The KDE2 team is doing a GREAT job.
>
> Based on your comments I downloaded it too.
>
> Installation was relatively straightforward from a basic RH 6.2 system,
even
> for a GUI-biatch like me. :o) I have kpackage AND gnorpm installed, so
when
> I upgrade KDE or QT stuff I use gnorpm, and when I mess with gnome
libraries
> I use kpackage. This system works great, and I never have to revert to
"man
> rpm."
>
> I found KDE2 a tad slow to start on a P-166 with 64 megs and a Matrox
> Mystique PCI video card. Do you have XFree86 4.0 installed? I hear it's
much
On my Celeron 466 with 192 it runs quite fine. Not sure if it runs better
than KDE1 though. Keep in mind though that betas never run as fast as the
final version. My impression is that KDE2 will indeed run faster than KDE1
did.
> faster with the standard SVGA driver (which is what the Mystique
dictates.)
> I might try that too if it's stable enough.
>
> Opera broke when I installed it, but if konqueror proves itself, I won't
be
> in any hurry to fix it (I think it's just a library pointer.)
>
> > I already
> > like the Koffice better than StarOffice or Corel. Much better support
> > for Gnome apps.... I'm looking forward to playing and getting to know
> > the new features!!!
>
> I couldn't get Koffice to install. Something about conflicting icon files
> with kdelib. Will try it again tomorrow. I am also still cleaning out the
> old KDE1.1 stuff too.
I had the same problem too, but I solved it by using the dreaded
commandline. By typing: rpm -ivh --force name_of_koffice_rpm
I effectivly told rpm that I don't give a dam about those icon files just
install the package anyway. You should have a better look at the
rpm command you can do quite a lot of handy stuff with it that is missing in
the GUI version.
> >
> > Konqueror! YES!
>
> Again, it seemed slow loading from my intranet. Opera is fast, but still a
> little flaky. Didn't have a chance to configure it for my proxy server
yet,
> but at least it can read the hosts file properly, which Opera can't.
>
> --
> Rich C.
> "Because light travels faster than sound, many people appear to be
> intelligent, until you hear them speak."
>
>
>
>
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From: tholenbot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Tholen digest, volume 2451760.3556iu^-.00000000000000001
Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 16:54:54 -0400
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Joe Malloy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> But Tholen hopes to "dazzle" us with his theatrical talents.
> Funny, I've never heard of him except through this newsgroup. Typical
> bluster, typical ego, typical Tholen.
How ironic, coming from someone who has never appeared on the BBC.
--
What alleged "antispam.ham"? Typical ham specificity problems.
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From: Milton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Be OR Linux
Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 16:56:53 -0400
On Fri, 04 Aug 2000 10:34:23 GMT, "Chris Robertson"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I know this is going to sound like a stupid post. Considering I am posting
>to a Linux Newsgroup. However, I have reached my absolute limit with
>windows, It sucks entirely. I have SuSE Linux 6.4. Anyway, the point of
>this message is to ask: BeOS or Linux? I have both ready to install.
>However, I am going to destroy Windows entirely either way this works. Let
>me put it this way: If EVERY Program EVER made was available for EVERY
>Operating system, I'd Think very hard between Linux and BeOS. Anyway, Let
>me know what you people think.
Why not use both?
Get:
ftp://ftp.be.com/pub/beos/BeOS4Linux.tar.gz
There's also a version for winbloz
BeOS5-PersonalEdition.exe
Read up on it at:
http://www.be.com/products/freebeos/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Lars_Tr=E4ger?=)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linsux as a desktop platform
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 22:57:36 +0200
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, 01 Aug 2000 14:38:32 -0600, John W. Stevens
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Lars Tr�ger wrote:
> >>
> >> I had Photoshop crash the machine on
> >> Win98SE while zooming or cropping. Never happened to me on a Mac.
> >
> >I've seen that happen on the Mac. What's your point?
>
> You expect it to happen on the Mac.
I had PS crash on the Mac, but not as often as on the PC (and I'm not
sure its the app itself). But I can't remember it bringing down the
whole Mac. OTOH on the PC - oh well, PCs suck anyway.
> OTOH, genuine PMT should prevent it happening on WinDOS.
Ahh, so it's that Win9x doesn't have "genuine PMT", just some wiered
imitation. Well that shows us something - there's not only real and
false multitasking, there's also true real MT and fake real MT.
Lars T.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Lars_Tr=E4ger?=)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linsux as a desktop platform
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 22:57:33 +0200
John W. Stevens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Lars Tr�ger wrote:
> >
> > John W. Stevens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > Lars Tr�ger wrote:
> > >
> > > > Apart from the PMT systems that never pretended to have protected
> > > > memory, there always is Win9x
> > >
> > > Which is less likely to crash than Windows 3.1 . . . a CMT system.
> > >
> > > > (and the increased stability of theMacOS
> > > > against crashing apps despite *not* having prot.mem.
> > >
> > > Sorry, but you are incorrect. In actual fact, the increased ability of
> > > the MacOS to protect against crashing apps is almost entirely due to the
> > > implementation of a limited amount of protected memory.
> > >
> > > It is, in fact, the legacy of CMT that keeps the MacOS from implementing
> > > much more PM than it currently does.
> >
> > So what's the excuse for Win9x?
>
> Windows 3.1 . . . Windows 9x attempts to maintain backwards
> compatibility.
Well, it works - it still crashes. Despite having PMT. Isn't that
supposed to prevent crashing?
> > I had Photoshop crash the machine on
> > Win98SE while zooming or cropping. Never happened to me on a Mac.
>
> I've seen that happen on the Mac. What's your point?
The whole computer crashed, because one app (or the OS) has a bug.
Despite having PMT *and* protected memory. Isn't that supposed to
prevent crashing?
> > You also ignored PMT systems without PM.
>
> No I didn't. I just didn't discuss them.
>
> What's your point?
Despite having PMT, the whole machine can crash these.
Want to revise your stand on "What does crashing software have to do
with CMT vs. PMT?" "The scope of the crash."
Lars T.
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From: "Joseph T. Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Does Steve Ballmer post here?
Date: 4 Aug 2000 21:03:33 GMT
Ian Pulsford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Am I just prejudiced or does Gatesy come across as a little deluded (for eg.
: about being first in this and that).
He lowers my already low opinion of his wisdom, intellect and sanity
every time he opens his mouth.
It isn't that he doesn't have flashes of brilliance from time to time.
He certainly does.
But there's something about his attitude that reminds me of an
overgrown, spoiled child, who, having everything he wants or ever
possibly could want, remains obsessed with bullying the very last
penny out of everyone else around him. If he has to lie to everyone
around him to justify this, including himself, then he will, no matter
how far disconnected from reality he may beocme in the process.
I kind of feel sorry for the guy. He has everything, and yet is
miserable. What will life be like for him once his fame and power and
most of his money are gone? Especially if he ends up behind bars or
in a mental institution?
Joe
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From: Chad Irby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 21:04:40 GMT
"Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> MS gave away IE since day one. It's always been a free download from
> their web site.
They started out charging for it, but they noticed that they were trying
to charge for a crappy product that nobody was buying, so they started
giving it away.
IE was shovelware until at least version 3, and wasn't better than
Netscape until version 4.0 or so.
--
Chad Irby \ My greatest fear: that future generations will,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] \ for some reason, refer to me as an "optimist."
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Subject: Re: Does Steve Ballmer post here?
Reply-To: hauck[at]codem{dot}com
Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 20:57:59 GMT
On Fri, 4 Aug 2000 11:41:02 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Gates: The first time? Hello? Hello? Who was the company that poured
>tens of million of dollars into interactive TV ten years ago?
And came up with "tiger", which nobody wanted. This seems to be a
theme with things MS invents in-house.
>Let's see. Who's got a million clients connected up to TVs. That's
>WebTV. Ah ha! That's Microsoft.
After they bought it. Innovation by acquisition.
>And who has been talking about handheld devices? And invested more
>than anybody?
Uh, Palm, maybe? Earth to Bill...your company does not lead the
handheld market.
>We are the multiple-device company from the beginning. We are a
>software company. We're not a device company.
>***** What the heck does that double talk mean?
Your guess is as good as mine.
>Gates: That's, that's -- When GeoWorks sold its second copy, they grew! It's
>unbelievable! And then, when they sold four! It's incredible!
>
>***** Was that responsive?
No, it was dismissive.
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| Codem Systems, Inc.
-| http://www.codem.com/
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Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Malloy digest, volume 2451761
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 21:11:01 GMT
Here's today's Malloy digest. Once again he ignores all the unresolved
issues, such as his alleged reciprocation, his illogic regarding his
frequenting of "these precincts", how he tried to speak for everyone
else, his parroting, the nonexistent chat with the "TPTB", his use of
the word "necessarily" inappropriately, and so on. It must be a cold
day in Hades because the fact is that there was no "chat with TPTB".
There is no "TPTB" at UofH to have a chat with, Malloy's pontification
to the contrary notwithstanding. Notice how he never produces any
evidence.
But more interesting is the fact that he's posting on sheer force of
habit.
149> I take it Tholen has attempted to digest me, but since no message to that
149> effect appears on my newserver today, I present an oldie:
149>
149> Tholen tholes a whole lot, but gains nothing from doing so, as is usual for
149> his rantings and once again he ignores all the unresolved issues. He claims
149> not to be "very reserved and quiet, and not very outgoing" but proceeds,
149> among other things, to claim that bit parts in rinky-dink theatrical
149> exploits "prove" he's not.
And Malloy once again demonstrates his reading comprehension problem,
given that I never said anything about playing "bit parts in rinky-dink
theatrical exploits".
149> Well, as most of us know, community theater is
149> one of the very symptoms of "very reserved and quiet, and not very outgoing"
149> people. But Tholen hopes to "dazzle" us with his theatrical talents.
Interesting that he tries to speak for "most of us", and incorrectly.
149> Funny, I've never heard of him except through this newsgroup. Typical
149> bluster, typical ego, typical Tholen.
Apparently Malloy doesn't follow the news.
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From: Nathaniel Jay Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Does Steve Ballmer post here?
Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 16:39:15 -0500
"Joseph T. Adams" wrote:
>
> Ian Pulsford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> : Am I just prejudiced or does Gatesy come across as a little deluded (for eg.
> : about being first in this and that).
>
> He lowers my already low opinion of his wisdom, intellect and sanity
> every time he opens his mouth.
>
> It isn't that he doesn't have flashes of brilliance from time to time.
> He certainly does.
>
> But there's something about his attitude that reminds me of an
> overgrown, spoiled child, who, having everything he wants or ever
> possibly could want, remains obsessed with bullying the very last
> penny out of everyone else around him. If he has to lie to everyone
> around him to justify this, including himself, then he will, no matter
> how far disconnected from reality he may beocme in the process.
While this seems pretty close to on the money, I prefer to think of
Gates in the 'mad scientist' sort of way. He walks around making a lot
of noise, fighting anyone that comes near him (aren't all mad scientists
reclusive) and he has a scheme to take over the world. Anybody that
gets in the way of that is going to become fodder for his experiments
(you know, all the buy-outs and push-outs that MS performs), and as long
as you pay hommage to him you will be OK until that final act is ready
to go. He even attacks people that are actually 'MS friendly' if they
don't just fall all over themselves to tell him what a fricken' godlike
genius he is (just like a mad scientist).
But I do agree that he acts like a spoiled child. Can't stand to let
that poor kid down the block keep his toys, even though every toy he has
is a million times bigger and better than anything that poor kid can
afford. He will end up a sad, lonely, bitter man in his old age. If he
doesn't give himself a heart attack from seeing a Linux headline some
day.
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Nathaniel Jay Lee
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From: "Joseph T. Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Miky Crackhead Byrns....COMNA coward
Date: 4 Aug 2000 21:53:22 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Mike Byrns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: 2) I'm not in the business of educating nixers on the advantages of Windows.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
ROFLMHAO!!!! :)
Joe
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Crossposted-To:
misc.legal,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.society.liberalism
Subject: Re: Aaron-Kulkis-Style Conspiracy about Linux
Date: 4 Aug 2000 21:57:53 GMT
On 4 Aug 2000 18:27:14 GMT, Mark S. Bilk wrote:
To: All members of the red start revolution
Subject: Reeducation
Our plan to infiltrate the schools has experienced a setback -- a man by
the name of Aaron Kulkis spotted a dead body of a teacher we shot in
cold blood. Perhaps we shouldn't shoot them in public or someone else
may notice ! Fortunately, no-one else has seen us, and our public
executions of counter-revolutionary teachers have gone unnoticed. Kulkis,
who is widely regarded as a cold war retro-kook is unlikely to be heard
by the unsuspecting public.
However, we have managed to infiltrate the schools and turn them into
re-education camps, where we indoctrinate them in math, physics and
science.
--
Comrade Donavinsky Rebechevsky
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Subject: Re: LINUX, OF COURSE!!
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pete Goodwin)
Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 22:00:35 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Cihl) wrote in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>No hardware support? Hah! Did someone ever tell you that Mightgosoft
>hardly supports any hardware AT ALL!? You ALWAYS need vendor CD's.
>YUCK! Install OS. Reboot. Detect hardware. Reboot. Put in CD 1.
>Reboot. CD 2. Reboot. etc. etc. etc.
>In Linux, you can ALWAYS pick your video card on install from a
>HUMONGOUS list. You network card is ALWAYS supported. Sound cards
>ALWAYS work. I ALWAYS write 'ALWAYS' with capital letters!
Sound cards always work?
My SB16 didn't work, first time.
My ESS Allegro does not work now - no drivers.
Your version of ALWAYS is in reality MAYBE.
>Word class?! You mean Mightgosoft Orifice?! Dude! Do you ever write
>anything that's more than one page? Try inserting a picture and see
>what happens to the rest of your text!
If you mean Microsoft Office, the text moves around it. Your problem?
--
Pete Goodwin
---
Coming soon, Kylix, Delphi on Linux.
My success does not require the destruction of Microsoft.
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Subject: Re: Linux or Windows 2000 ????
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pete Goodwin)
Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 22:03:20 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (abraxas) wrote in <8mf2k0$159g$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>Wrong. It would have been correct if you had said "linux doesnt support
>as many sound cards as windows 2000 does" or something along those lines,
>but it most certianly supports orders of magnitudes more hardware than
>any kind of windows does.
I don't believe you.
>You need to stop posting here, pasty.
"Pasty"?
Out come the insults.
Why should I stop posting? Who appointed _you_ moderator of COLA?
Incidentally, what is your name? Care to post it? Or are you too cowardly
to even do that?
--
Pete Goodwin
---
Coming soon, Kylix, Delphi on Linux.
My success does not require the destruction of Microsoft.
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