Linux-Advocacy Digest #242, Volume #28 Sat, 5 Aug 00 06:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: AARON KULKIS...USENET SPAMMER, LIAR, AND THUG ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Windoze is physically destroying my hand! ("Spud")
Re: God damm Microsoft ("Spud")
Re: Linux, easy to use? ("Spud")
Re: AARON KULKIS...USENET SPAMMER, LIAR, AND THUG ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
misc.legal,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles
Subject: Re: AARON KULKIS...USENET SPAMMER, LIAR, AND THUG
Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 04:07:51 -0400
Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
>
> On Sat, 05 Aug 2000 00:44:46 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
> >Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
>
> >> That's like Petrich saying "read Marx and get back to me". Cite all the
> >> propoganda you like.
> >
> >I am directing you to ONE SPECIFIC BOOK.
>
> OK, it's like being directed to a specific work of Marx.
It's a specific bood which is widely available wherever books
are sold, rented, or loaned out.
It's also very easy reading for anybody with a 10th grade reading
level and familiarity of histogram plots.
>
> >They have come up with a couple thousand sets of identical twins
> >who were orphaned or put up for adoption as infants, and adopted
> >seperately.
>
> Oh, I see. So you are referring to just *one* study, and a fairly
> controversial one at that.
So, because it's "controversial", you're afraid to read it.
Actually, it's a meta-study. A study of all the other studies.
Yes, it's controversial for those who want to make excuses
for the parasites in society...that is, those who collect
welfare checks, and the entire bureacracy of case workers,
etc. who depend on the existance of the welfare state for
their jobs as well (i.e. stealing money from productive
people to give to the self-destructive, misanthropic, and
habitual out-of-wedlock breeders.
For anyone else, it's common sense.
Aren't PhD students to be interested in learning the truth,
rather than relying on the opinions of those who have a
vested interest in swaying your opinion?
>
> >> Thirdly, how do you know that the type of people who adopt the twin are
> >> independent of genetic factors?
> >
> >I think it would be up to you to prove that the genetics of
> >the adoptive parents show some sort of correlation beyond
> >meeting the minimum thresholds to gain approval by whatever
> >organization (public or private) supervised the adoption
> >process.
>
> For a start, adopting parents tend to choose children from the same / similar
> ethnic groups. "Ethnic group" is certainly a genetic factor ( and indeed,
> a factor that correlates with a lot of other things ). That's all I
> can think of right now ...
Are you claiming that there are certain races ethnic groups with
no intelligent couples to adopt children????
Rather racist comment to make, is it not?
>
> >Talk of "other intelligences" and such is a bunch of egalitarian
> >nonsense to explain away low IQ scores by the obviously stupid.
>
> Some of history's greatest scientists had fairly unimpressive IQ scores.
Name one.
> IQ is not the be all and end all.
"g" correllates VERY highly with personal happiness, workplace
success, income, social status, physical coordination, and just
about every other sign of "intelligence" that you can name.
Of course, there are individual variations for any specific
skill, but...as a PhD math student, you should understand
the significance of a correlation exceeding 0.9
>
> >Again, read _The_Bell_Curve_ and you will realize that you're
> >talking about questions which were answered decades ago.
>
> I'll take a look at it. But it is a controversial book, and the
> "answers" presenteod are certainly not universally accepted.
....by those whose lifestyle depends on the continued existance
of the welfare state, and selling the idea that those who remain
in poverty for decades are somehow "intelligent" in ways that
NOBODY can measure.
None of the critics have EVER pointed out any particular
assertion in the book which they disagree with. They just
brand it as "racist" in an effort to make it a taboo item.
Apparently, the manipulation worked on you.
> Your claims to this effect are either disingenious or dishonest.
The book is VERY heavily footnoted (25% of the total page count).
>
> >> But occasional exceptions do invalidate the practice of prejudging
> >> someone on the merits of their parents.
> >
> >Barring any other evidence, the smart money goes with whatver
> >information is available. The parent's IQ is a strong indicator
> >of the child's IQ, regardless of whether the child was raised
> >by the genetic parents, or adopted parents.
>
> I see. So after all this whining about inheritence, you turn around and
> show us your true colors. The fact that the children of poor families
> will not receive a decent education under your system is not really a
> problem, because most of those kids were all stupid anyway, right ?
again, there are charitable scholarships galore in this country,
and there would be even more if income taxes were abolished and
replaced with sales taxes. (Because charitable donations would
all be made with PRE-TAX money, EVEN FOR THOSE WHO DO NOT FILL
OUT THE "long form" OF THE 1040 FORM.
>
> >> Insufficient. You need to make a case that you're 2-5 times as smart as me.
> >> If you were, we probably wouldn't be having this argument right now.
> >
> >I'm beating your ass quite soundly.
>
> In your dreams.
Get back to us when you finish that book.
>
> --
> Donovan
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
J: Loren's Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Spud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windoze is physically destroying my hand!
Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 01:38:39 -0700
"OSguy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Spud wrote:
>
> > I spend most of the day on Windows, and use the mouse for maybe 5% of
> > my time at the machine.
>
> So, you'd have me believe that you navigate the windows desktop with the
> ALT-Key/Arrow Key series using the mouse only 5% of the time?
ALT-arrow? Bah. Windows has this neat little concept called
"Accelerators" - keyboard shortcuts which allow you to do virtually all your
functions without a mouse.
> It must
> take you an awfully long time to launch those apps that don't need the
> mouse (especially the graphical ones).
Nope, takes almost no time at all. Comes from actually knowing something
about the system.
> Why do I suspect that you spend
> 95% of your time in a MSDOS shell with DOS programs and you must not be
> running NT since NT doesn't run many DOS apps at all? I don't think W2K
> is any more compatible to DOS apps than NT is.
MS DOS Shell? Hmm, haven't actually used DOS proper in a couple of years.
I do occasionally (actually, fairly frequently) use a Windows console, but
not DOS.
However, let's see what we've got. First, let's ALT-TAB over to explorer.
I want to go down to the "Utils" folder, so I press 'U' - voila,. there I
am. Enter, I'm in it. Press 'W' and I jump down to WinRar. Okay, 5
keystrokes, big deal. If it was a program I needed frequently, I'd set up
my own keystroke combination to launch it directly. Example; I just set
CTRL-SHIFT-R to launch RealPlayer. Voila, 3 keystrokes and I'm in - even
from a command-line session.
So why use the mouse at all? Two reasons. First, some applications really
do work best with a mouse; vector drawing programs are a good example of
this. Second, some applications don't provide proper keyboard handling;
they're not overly common, though; I can only think offhand of one serious
application I use fairly frequently which has truly abysmal keyboard
support.
All in all, the mouse is at best a convenience, only rarely a necessity.
------------------------------
From: "Spud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: God damm Microsoft
Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 01:45:36 -0700
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Spud wrote:
> >
> > [snips]
> >
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:8lptq6$ti1$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > In article <TKZf5.2555$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > > "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > Outlook uses a common base service of the OS which is being
> > patched,
> > > which
> > > > is why both Outlook and Outlook Express suffer from the same
> > problem.
> > > > Fixing one, fixes both.
> > > >
> > > > But, even so. I don't think you HAVE to reboot. MS often says
> > you
> > > should,
> > > > but that's a default response.
> > >
> > > WOW, that's intuitive! Just how is the common users suposed to know
> > when
> > > to reboot and when not to? More MS BS.
> >
> > Common users aren't trying to roll out 50 machines worth of patches at
> > a go. :)
> >
> > Besides, if a single user is doing it on a single system, big deal;
> > it's a minute or two, tops.
>
> Yeah, it is a big deal. Rebooting is WASTED TIME.
If your time is SO valuable that wasting a minute or 2, tops, of it each
time the netadmin rolls out an upgrade - which presumably happens maybe
twice a year, tops - then how do you have so much time to post so much noise
here?
------------------------------
From: "Spud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux, easy to use?
Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 01:49:40 -0700
[snips]
"Nathaniel Jay Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > What happen's when you open an xterm? A DOS box pops up, compleat with a
COMMAND prompt.
>
> Enough!
>
> It is not a DOS box. A shell on Unix is not a DOS prompt. I know that
> no matter how many times it is said, Windows users are not going to
> believe that a Unix shell is not a DOS prompt and they aren't equivalent
> in any way other than both being command lines (and that does not mean
> they are equal). But the two are not equal.
Excuse? I'm a Windows user, and I know full well that an xterm is not a DOS
box.
Sorry, where did you get this idiotic notion that all Windows users are
completely unaware of such things?
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
misc.legal,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles
Subject: Re: AARON KULKIS...USENET SPAMMER, LIAR, AND THUG
Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 05:14:39 -0400
Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
>
> On Sat, 05 Aug 2000 00:24:31 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
> >Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
>
> >2. Outside of rape, a woman doesn't get pregnant unless she
> >specifically WANTS him to engage in that behavior. IN that
> >regard, he is merely a servant to her desires.
>
> >Oh yes, women claim they are "on the pill" when they are not,
> >puncture condoms so that they will leak, and play all kinds of
> >other games to get pregnant after telling the guy that they
> >are being very careful to not get pregnant.
>
> The above is so silly that I wont even dignify it with a response. I
> just quoted it to give anyone who's bored enough to follow this thread
> something to laugh about.
Shutting your eyes to reality doesn't make it go away.
My source about such things is WOMEN talking about the behavior
of OTHER WOMEN.
>
> >Is any of this getting through to you?
>
> I understand your point of view -- I just don't agree with it. Children
> usually need to "impose" on others to survive. Based on your logic,
> children have no "right" to survive.
No. Children do have a right to life. But they do not have
a right to the resources of non-family members if their own
parents are alive and well.
>
> >> The problem is that your policies would have their children punished.
> >
> >If they chose to terminate their genetic lineage, then that's
> >just fine and dandy with me.
>
> There you go again. Spoken like a true old money die hard. How can you
> claim to chanpion "meritocracy" when your measure of "merit" is the
> wealth of ones parents ? How can you pretend that your system has any
> social mobility and then tell us that poor children, no matter how bright,
> should just hurry up and die to make room for the aristocracy ?
>
> >We have too many defectives as it is...
>
> Wow ! You even have a derogatory term. You know, "defectives", "inferiors",
Excuse me for not bowing down to the god of Political Correctness.
I'm here to make a point, not to put a happy face on a VERY VERY
sad situation.
Check out the statistics on the prison population some time.
Almost all of them are legally retarded. They spend their
lives in prison....i.e. misery...but not without FIRST
causing a LOT of misery for a whole lot of other people.
What other name is appropriate for someone whose entire
life is misery, and who causes misery for practically every
other person who is unfortunate enough to have this person
wander through their life?
There's now way in the world to describe a cloud of poison
gas in anything other than the most horrific terms. Ask
any WW1 veteran (if you can find one)...or dig up some
memoirs of any WW1 infantry soldier.
What other name is appropriate for an retard with an IQ of 75
whose only purpose in life is breeding more IQ-75 children, who
repeat the cycle in less than 15 years. Encouraging these people
to produce further generations is NOT compassionate. They are
fully aware of their disability...the fact that they can barely
read a "STOP" sign. Their lives are pure misery, no matter
how much money you throw at them...and if they have children,
then you have extremely slow-learning children being raised
by adults whose intellectual and emotional age will never
get past that of the typical junior-high school child...and
thus, they are neglected, abused, and even tortured.
Unfortunately, studies have also shown that these kids don't
perform much better when removed from the home and put in the
care of better parents.
It's sad, but there's just no cure for people with fucked up
genetics, such that their brains do not function properly.
I don't advocate killing them...just let nature take it's
course...and let them die naturally. It letts them out of
their own misery...and prevents them from spreading misery
into everybody else's life.
The word "defective" is just that. In the same way as any
other genetic defect such as Down's Syndrome.
Now, conversely, if, as you say, the entire problem is that low-
income adults are unable to raise children properly...then, maybe
you would advocate removing the children of such parents, and
putting them in the custody of those who have the necessary
wealth to raise many other kids?
Are you arguing that this would solve the problems of children
born in neighborhoods of high crime and economic blight?
Are you proposing that we declare all low-income parents as
unfit, and forcibly removed them from their homes? After
all, you ARE the one claiming that the key factor is the
environment in which they are raised.
And is this not...a rather Nazi-like solution in itself?
> etc ... it's reminiscent of the terminology used by the NAZIs and
> modern neo-NAZI kook groups. Has this book turned you into some kind of
> IQ nazi ?
To deny that IQ is heritable is akin to denying that height
and skin color are heritable traits.
>
> >The country provides everyone with the same opportunities,
>
> You are speaking in the present tense, hence defending the current system.
> Thanks for making my point.
And has done so for 3 1/2 decades. So, what's your point?
>
> Under your system, the country would not provide the same opportunities
> to everyone. Your parents wealth would determine your success.
I know many wealthy adults who won't give their children a dime.
When I was young, we lived in a house that's smaller than the
garage at my parents' current house. I learned at a very young
age not to ask for anything outside of necessities. I learned
how to mend my own socks at the age of 4.
>
> >including the opportunity to help your children, or harm
> >your children.
>
> What about if you are a child ?
Then we can prosecute the parents for neglect or abuse.
>
> > Killing your children is killing yourself.
> >People whose brains are that screwed up...we don't need
> >thier children around...it merely spreads the problem.
>
> That is just retarded. You are saying quite unequivocally that children
> should be punished for the stupidity of their parents, because the fact
> that their parents are idiots means that they are too. Well thanks for
> coming out of the closet and telling us that you're an old money man.
No. I am saying that ..those whose intelligence...is exceeded
by some dogs...are doomed to a life of misery, no matter how
much money we give them.
Want some good examples? Watch Howard Stern's show. Harold
the Retard, Crackhead Bob (or whatever their names are...),
they have moments of happiness....but...overall, lives of
complete misery. They are outcasts because they will never
fit in, nor do they have the capacity to make it on their own.
They will die alone, and more than likely, nobody will even
notice that they are dead for days....weeks...or whenever the
stench gets too strong to ignore.
I worked at the headquarters of a stock brokerage several years
ago. One of the Operators, his name was Chris, repeatedly failed
to show up. Didn't call in for work. He was ok ...., but not
really with it...I would estimate his IQ to be somewhere in the
high 90's. Of course, day after day, his manager was pissed off
that he kept failing to appear... about 5 days into it, I was
sitting in the console room, running some tapes, and one of the
Assistant VP's said..."if he doesn't show up today, I'm sending
him a letter telling him that he's fired." The supervisor who
worked for the AVP joke... "you know...as fucked up as his life
is, I'll bet he went and killed himself." This started a line of
joking...pseudo bets as to what method he would use. a couple
minutes later, his mom called: Apparently, Chris got in his
car, put a shotgun to his jaw, and splattered his head all over
the vehicle. Now...we're talking about a rather heavily populated
area (within 2 blocks of the Wayne State University campus),
in a parking lot right next to an apartment building, which
several people pass by each day....AND NOBODY EVEN BOTHERED
TO REPORT that there was a vehicle with blood spattered all
over the inside of the windows and flies coming in and out
all over the place...nope...his body was discovered by a
police cruiser when the driver noticed that this vehicle looked
so ...wrong...that he it grabbed his attention from driving.
Now... Chris had a comfortable life. Not great, but he was
taking courses. Had a useful skill, with no threat of
>
> >We have a problem: irresponsible adults are dumping the
> >responsibility of raising their children onto society as
> >a whole...
>
> So, as I keep saying, it's better to punish the adults than the
> children. It's certainly considerably more fair that way.
Ok. Punish the adults. What do you propose that we do,
without allowing the procedure tobecome yet another
reproductive strategy based on the "cuckold" principle
(i.e. the Cuckoo bird lays it's eggs in the nest of another
songbird. Most birds are unable to recognize a "foreign" egg
in their own nest -- The cuckoo's reproductive strategy must be
of relatively recent origin, as very few birds have a way of
countering this strategy...in fact, none that I can name--
at any rate...the victim family ends up with this big old
bird in the nest that crowds out the other birds (the cuckoo
hatches much quicker than a lot of birds) pushing them out
of the nest, in fact...and consumes ALL of the resources of
the cuckolded pair for an entire reproductive season. In
welfare, we are doing the same thing, at a reduced scale, only
by differen means).
>
> >Neither of them work--they both expect that the taxpayers
> >should pay for their existance, while doing nothing in
> >return for the very same taxpayers who are the hands that
> >feed them.
>
> In the case of the freeloaders who inherit, their parents are paying their
> bills ( even after they are dead ). Didn't you say earlier that parents
> have the right to do that ? If they're freeloading off anyone, it's their
> parents. But then, their parents aren't complaining.
>
> >Here is what you need for education:
> >1) Competent teachers. (this has been pretty much destroyed in
> > the last couple of decades as communist agitators have
> > thoroughly taken over the colleges of education across
> > the country)
>
> It's a funny thing, that. Because countries with a lot more "communist
> agitators" don't have the same problems with incompetent teachers.
They have different "marching orders". The primary goal of the
agitators in Europe is to spread fear that co-operating with
the "evil Americans" will result in Europe getting invaded.
Tney aren't worried about the schools, because all of Europe has
already crossed the primary hurdle...accepting a socialist
economic system.
> >The primary difference: The Catholic schools don't require
> >their teachers to have gone through the indoctrination
> >bullshit of an "Education Degree" that public schools require.
>
> There are a lot of "primary differences" actually.
Discipline.
No "social promotions"
> >Obviously, you're one of those people who can't see the forest
> >because there are two many trees blocking the view.
>
> Or maybe it's because there isn't anything to see. You're hallucinating.
>
> [ bullshit conspiracy theories snipped ]
Every government in the world actively engages in conspiracies.
Every government in the world openly acknowledges the existance
of conspiracies. Proof: I challenge you to find one felony
trial where there are 2 or more defendants and the words
"Conspiracy to ..." are not found in the list of charges against
them.
EVERY TIME you find a felony trial of 2 or more people, I can
guarantee that you will find the words "Conspiracy" amongst the
list of charges.
Do you think for a moment, that opposing governments are going
to openly announce their plans to destabilize each other ????
Of course not! Therefore, all concerned are actively engaged
in conspiracies at this very moment.
To deny this is to place oneself squarely in the "utterly naive"
corner of the classroom.
>
> Again, there are countries with a lot more leftists and considerably
> more leftist education policies that soundly whip the US's butt.
Of course. The communists WANT communist countries to have a
well-educated populace (as long as the general public remain
ignorant of the concepts of human rights, market economics,
history, and the sciences of psychology and propaganda). Thus,
they will promote good education in left-leaning governments.
However, as long as the American populace is properly educated,
then they will resist communism. Thus, the campaign to turn
the American population into a land of idiots.
Unfortunately, it is quite apparent that they are succeeding.
> If America's education is rotting because of a few stealth commies, then
> why is education considerably better in countries where the education
> system is crawling with people who are openly communist/socialist/leftist ?
>
To destabilise the country without arousing action through
direct military confrontation which would alarm the public.
At this point, it's not even a "conspiracy", it's an agenda.
One needs only read publicatations as the Modern Language Association,
and other periodicals held in high regard by the education
establishment.
They are completely full of leftist bullshit, emphasis on psychological
manipulation of the students (make them "feel good") while making
sure to deprive them of actual education ... concentrate on
creating psychological distance and distrust of their family...
the standard Communist methods for ripping a society to shreds.
> --
> Donovan
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
J: Loren's Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
** FOR YOUR REFERENCE **
The service address, to which questions about the list itself and requests
to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, is:
Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
You can send mail to the entire list (and comp.os.linux.advocacy) via:
Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Linux may be obtained via one of these FTP sites:
ftp.funet.fi pub/Linux
tsx-11.mit.edu pub/linux
sunsite.unc.edu pub/Linux
End of Linux-Advocacy Digest
******************************
