Linux-Advocacy Digest #338, Volume #28 Thu, 10 Aug 00 11:13:06 EDT
Contents:
Re: It's official, NT beats Linux (?) (Nathaniel Jay Lee)
Re: Linux = Yet Another Unix ("Martin Sinot")
Re: It's official, NT beats Linux (?) ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: C# is a copy of java (Donal K. Fellows)
Re: Gutenberg (Matthias Warkus)
Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome! (Roberto Alsina)
Re: Maximum file size question (Louis Antoine)
New Orleans LUG meeting (Mikey)
Re: dodgy version (of rat head) lin(s)ux (Was: rat head linsux) (2:1)
Re: Come on, Jedi, where are you? (Roberto Alsina)
Re: C# is a copy of java (Donal K. Fellows)
Re: Are Linux people illiterate? (Roberto Alsina)
Re: Am I the only one that finds this just a little scary? (Perry Pip)
How can screensaver ignore mouse activity? (Holger Bauer)
Re: Big Brother and the Holding Company (Joe Ragosta)
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From: Nathaniel Jay Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: It's official, NT beats Linux (?)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 08:12:13 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Nathaniel Jay Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > ZDNet impartial. Hehehehe.
> >
> > Thanks, I needed a good laugh.
>
> ROTFLMAO! ZDNet being impartial to Linux is like... is like... shit,
> there's nothing to compare it to without someone screamin' "Godwin's
> Law!" I wonder if anything will change now that ZD's been bought
> out....
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
Yes, but look at who bought them out. Two "Windows Rocks!" sites merge
and I don't think we will see a big shift in focus.
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Nathaniel Jay Lee
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From: "Martin Sinot" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.alpha
Subject: Re: Linux = Yet Another Unix
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:32:13 GMT
Will you finally get off comp.os.linux.alpha with this thread?
--
Martin Sinot
Nijmegen, Netherlands
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: It's official, NT beats Linux (?)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 09:29:13 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Nathaniel Jay Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > ZDNet impartial. Hehehehe.
> >
> > Thanks, I needed a good laugh.
>
> ROTFLMAO! ZDNet being impartial to Linux is like... is like... shit,
> there's nothing to compare it to without someone screamin' "Godwin's
> Law!"
Fuck Godwin!
Let's rename it to "Godwin's ignorant assertion"
> I wonder if anything will change now that ZD's been bought out....
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
J: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donal K. Fellows)
Subject: Re: C# is a copy of java
Date: 10 Aug 2000 13:37:41 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Matthias Warkus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> That's why we've got stuff like the Boehm garbage collector that you
> can use in your C programs whenever you feel the need to have garbage
> collected...
No, except for when I must, I simply code in different languages that
have memory management built in more completely. :^)
Donal.
--
Donal K. Fellows http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~fellowsd/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-- Actually, come to think of it, I don't think your opponent, your audience,
or the metropolitan Tokyo area would be in much better shape.
-- Jeff Huo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Subject: Re: Gutenberg
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 15:02:35 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Thu, 10 Aug 2000 09:37:15 GMT...
...and Richard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard )" wrote:
> > Which was all the more remarkable considering that he was a butcher
> > by trade. The key is that an ordinary person came up with some
> > extraordinary innovations.
>
> Except for the wee problem that Gutenberg's innovations weren't worth
> jack. The inventor of the *book* is the one who revolutionized writing.
> Prior to him, Gutenberg's innnovation was used to print the Same Old
> Shit; illuminated bibles and indulgences. Once you change the context
> that way, it's hard to see Gutenberg as an "extraordinary innovator".
This is of course complete nonsense and should be treated like it. If
you honestly think that the "invention of the book", with which you
probably mean "invention of the literary work" happened after 1500 and
that beforehand, no literature existed, you really rank among the top
clueless people I know... :)
mawa
--
Warkus' Law of Unix Software Evolution:
1. Common sense will eventually win out.
2. We didn't say it would happen soon.
-- mawa
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From: Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome!
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:42:28 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Isaac) wrote:
> On Wed, 09 Aug 2000 15:40:27 -0300, Roberto Alsina
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >Which seems to be the reason why, for example, Qt is not under the
GPL.
> >Something like "if we believed the GPL would protect Qt as the FSF
> >says it would, then Qt would be GPL".
> >
>
> I don't follow your logic. Isn't Qt already a library?
Yes.
> The concerns
> we are discussing are independent of the license unless that license
> includes explicit, binding restrictions on how the user uses the
> library. Additionally, the copyright holder has to manage to make
> the user own merely a license rather than a copy of the software.
>
> Does the license of Qt cover those things?
Precisely. The QPL is a license to use the library only to run
programs that were developed in specific circunstances.
Or, maybe I should say: TT seem to believe the QPL covers
those things better than the GPL would.
--
Roberto Alsina (KDE developer, MFCH)
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: Louis Antoine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Maximum file size question
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 09:46:56 -0400
Jeff, I too have seen this problem. However I am running Netscape
4.74 under Win98 instead of Linux. I have more that enough space,
and the file I am downloading is less that two megs, so I am
attributing this problem to a bug of some sort. I had to revert to
Internet Explorer to download the file I needed. It only seems to
occur on certain files. As an example of the problem, I included
the url to a site that the problem can be clearly observed (Well
in my case anyway).
Go to the URL below:
http://www.sharp-usa.com/zaurus/e2z.htm
In the left most frame click on "DOWNLOADABLE SOFTWARE".
Try and download the first file which is "ZUP10304.EXE" (~2MB).
For me, Netscape downloads the file but it disappears right
after the download is complete.
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From: Mikey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: New Orleans LUG meeting
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 23:09:22 -0400
This is to let anyone within South Louisiana know that the New Orleans
Linux User Group (NOLUG) will be holding their monthly meeting on August
17 at 7:30pm.
Details about NOLUG are here -> http://nolug.dhs.org
Driving directions are here ->
http://nolug.dhs.org/NOLUG/nh-directions.html
There will be give-aways too.
--
Since-beer-leekz,
Mikey
Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam
possit materiari?
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From: 2:1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: dodgy version (of rat head) lin(s)ux (Was: rat head linsux)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:46:29 GMT
Looks like I was badmouthing the wrong people. There must have been
something up with the place I got the very cheap CD from...
Apart from that, no real complaaints really.
-Ed
--
BBC Computer 32K
Acorn DFS
Basic
>*MAIL ku.ca.xo.gne@rje98u (backwards, if you want to talk to me)
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Come on, Jedi, where are you?
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:51:21 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> It was the 9 Aug 2000 12:42:22 GMT...
> ...and Donal K. Fellows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > An additional problem is that having a single base layer (like Motif
> > used to be in practise on commercial Unix) can mean that some
> > astonishing brokennesses get in (there are some really nasty flaws
> > with Motif DnD which can lead to locked X servers or even crashes)
> > unchallenged by the fire of "market" competition. Having a bunch of
> > closely matched systems forces a serious shakedown.
>
> Like I said in my talk about GNOME at LinuxTag 2000: The peaceful
> competition between KDE and GNOME is one of the best things that ever
> happened to the free software community.
>
> (No matter how many KDEers try to reason that GNOME is useless and
> should vanish...)
And no matter how many GNOMEs try to call us crooks and want us to
go away.
--
Roberto Alsina (KDE developer, MFCH)
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donal K. Fellows)
Subject: Re: C# is a copy of java
Date: 10 Aug 2000 13:54:36 GMT
In article <8ms3b9$ubb$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Donal K. Fellows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> In any moderately complex data structure, keeping track of when it is
>> safe to deallocate it will take up an appreciable amount of the
>> complexity and bugcount of the program... :^(
>
> Proper coding of good algorithms will eliminate that problem.
Not in general, alas. I'm working with systems that have huge memory
requirements (I easily run out of space on SGI Origins when analysing
large asynchronous bus models) and to keep the space down I'm having
to share references to substantial data values between many places.
The two alternatives are either to reference count (which is what I
do) or to duplicate (when the whole lot blows my swap space out of the
water even on a small design.)
If you wish to disagree, perhaps you could suggest what algorithms
would be suitable for an asynchronous hardware simulator and model
checker capable of handling a full microprocessor? It would be
interesting to see what you come up with! :^P
Donal.
--
Donal K. Fellows http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~fellowsd/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-- Actually, come to think of it, I don't think your opponent, your audience,
or the metropolitan Tokyo area would be in much better shape.
-- Jeff Huo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Are Linux people illiterate?
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 11:06:59 -0300
Matthias Warkus escribi�:
>
> It was the Wed, 09 Aug 2000 02:28:01 GMT...
> ...and Courageous <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > "Payed" is much more logical than "paid".
> > > > > > Just try to *logically*
> > > > > > explain why "shure" is a misspelling.
> >
> > "Shure" is a misspelling, because it *is* -- by
> > definition. But if you want a system that makes
> > sense, switch to a purely phonetic system which
> > makes use of natural dipthongs. All you would need
> > is some mechanism of distinguishing long vowels
> > from short ones.
>
> Using a phonetic alphabet that makes all the words that sound the same
> *look* exactly the same, too, would reduce the information content of
> the text. Not a good idea.
Well, no. Or at least, no, unless you are saying that speech has less
information content than writing?
> That's the reason why the discussions about introducing phonetic
> spelling for French never went for long...
You could use phonetic spelling in spanish without problems. In fact
you almost have it anyway, except for these (I use argentinian
pronunciation, YMWV):
k,q sound the same.
s,z sound the same.
c sounds like either k or s.
v sounds like b
h makes no sound (except in ch)
ll sounds like y (when y is not used as a vowel)
y sounds like i (when y is used as a vowel)
Change that as Nobel prize winner Garc�a M�rquez suggested, and
you have spanish with phonetic spelling, no sweat, no information
lost.
Since spanish is not a less complex language than english (or rather
the opposite), the same should be possible for english.
Let's face it, english spelling is complex for no particular reason :-)
--
Roberto Alsina
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Perry Pip)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Am I the only one that finds this just a little scary?
Date: 10 Aug 2000 14:10:16 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 9 Aug 2000 04:54:04 GMT,
Anthony D. Tribelli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Perry Pip <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Anthony D. Tribelli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>Perry Pip <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>Nothing twisted about that at all. When a computer is dedicated to running
>a single application and when that application is dead and the terminal
>unusable people will often use language like the "terminal is crashed". To
>assume that the OS is at fault is an awfully big assumption.
How do you know the terminals were dedicated to running a single
application?? Was the database the same application running the
engines?? How do you know the sailors weren't playing freecell. How do
you know freecell isn't the Navy's reason for choosing NT:-)
>> ... Face it Anthony, neither of us can fully prove it either way ...
>
>I'm not asking you to prove it. I'm merely asking where you learned that
>WinNT itself crashed, and following up your offerings asking if you have
>anything that is not guesswork based on other people's guesswork.
There is nothing but heresay on either side of this story. The heresay
that NT is responsible for the problems on the Yortown much more
credible in my *opinion*. Your opinion may differ.
>I'm not
>trying to prove WinNT did or did not crash.
You have dogmatically insisted on serveral occasions that this
incedednt was only an application crash i.e. NT did not crash, and
that if another OS was used the problems would still have
occured. Whenever I asked you to prove it you snipped it out your
next reply.
>I don't really care if it did
>or did not. I'm just looking for clear and accurate information.
Well the Navy doesn't want to give you any.
>The Linux box was unusable and unresponsive, hitting the reset button was
>required. If someone utters the words "this computer crashed", using the
>logic you present with respect to WinNT we must also say that Linux has
>crashed.
If the linux box is running Apache, inetd, Mysql, or any other
service, it will keep providing those services after the GUI has
crashed. Of course if you need an application that requires a GUI,
it's a moot point. But they weren't using Linux on the Yorktown, and
many UNIX X-servers are far more stable then NT4 anyways.
>> Find a *credible* refernce to WinNT not crashing. Face it Anthony,
>> neither of us can fully prove it either way.
>
>You claimed it did, it's your burden of proof.
I said I can't prove it, but that I am inclined to believe it did.
You have insisted it didn't, and in doing so that's your burden of
proof.
>I just want to know if your
>opinion is an informed one or one of the typical polticial and/or
>religious ones.
My opinion is based on my experience working directly with the
Government, my experience with military spec fualt tolerant embedded
systems, my experience with both Unix and Windows NT, and my
assessment of the information avialable to me about this incident. I
am perfectly entitled to my opinion. Even some hard core windows
advocates have said on this NG that NT is a bad choice for the
Yorktown.
>Also, you are asking me to prove a negative, I remember
>something from a math class about ...
You mean the math class you struggled with?? Their is nothing unsound
about proving a negative in mathemetics, and in fact it is very common
in mathematics. For example, how would prove that the square root of 2
is irrational?
>You have offered no evidence of such political maneuvers covering up for a
>WinNT crash being responsible for the incident.
Why did it take several months for the revised stories to come
out? They would have known right away if NT didn't crash.
>You seem to conveniently
>trust articles from a period when less was known, and agree with you, and
>to conveniently manufacture political intrigue for articles written when
>more was known, and disagree with you.
Why did it take several months for more to be known. They would have
known right away if NT didn't crash.
>
>>>> "Ron Redman, deputy technical director of the Fleet Introduction
>>>> Division of the Aegis Program Executive Office, said there
>>>> have been numerous software failures associated with NT
>>>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>> aboard the Yorktown."
>>>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>
>> This quote still stands.
>
>Stands as out of context,
Out of context to the specific incedent possibly. But not out of
context at all to the use of NT on the Yorktown of to the subject of
this thread.
>ambiguous, and unclear as to whether it refers
>to WinNT itself or a system built on a WinNT-based platform as opposed to
>a Unix-based platform.
Seems clear to me he's refering to NT itself.
>>>> "Refining that is an ongoing process", Redman said. Unix is a
>>>> better system for control of equipment and machinery, whereas
>>>> NT is a better system for the transfer of information and data.
>>>> NT has never been fully refined and there are times when we
>>>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>> have had shutdowns that resulted from NT.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>
>> This quote still stands.
>
>Stands as out of context,
Out of context to the specific incedent possibly. But not out of
context at all to the use of NT on the Yorktown of to the subject of
this thread.
>ambiguous, and unclear
Sure...anything you don't like to hear is ambiguous. It seems quite
clear to me.
>
>He also does not say WinNT crashed and contributed to the incident.
But he is clearly saying that NT has resulted in failures and
shutdowns on the Yorktown. And no one has refuted his claim.
>As I
>said the statements are unclear in context reading the article as a whole.
Anything *you* don't *want* to hear is unclear. That's your approach
to debate.
>>> If we used Unix, we would have a system that has less of a
>>> tendency to go down.
>>>
>>>So either we have Unix crashing also or these people are speaking of an
>>>entire system not one specific component of the system which is the OS.
>>
>> It would be unreasonable for him to claim that Unix never crashes. But
>> it is certainly reasonable to claim that Unix is much more reliable
>> than NT. Your struggling.
>
>Bad guess, previously you offered evidence of WinNT being able to crash in
>a completely unrelated incident as evidence against it in this particular
>incident.
Are you suggesting the NT4 is as reliable as UNIX?? I am not even going
to begin to discuss that. You can believe what you want.
>>>> "Because of politics, some things are being forced on
>>>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>> us that without political pressure we might not do,
>>>> like Windows NT," Redman said.
>>>> ^^^^^^^^^^
>>>>
>>>> Because of politics, Anthony, that's why the chief engineer and the
>>>> software developer are lying. Exactly what time of the day yesterday
>>>> were you born??
>>>
>>>Politics forced a shift from Unix to WinNT, OK, but that's a different
>>>issue. You have offered no evidence that they are lying.
>>
>> Politics is the issue. It explains why the story has *changed*. If
>> their were no politics, stories like this one wouldn't change. Nor
>> would the real facts (specifically how a database failure cascades to
>> an engine failure) be left out.
>
>Again, you are assuming that the story has changed, and that it is not
>simply that initial speculation was off.
Uh..hum...it took them four months to respeculate.
>Another politically self-serving guess on your part? :-)
Uh..hum...all of your guesses aren't politically self serving?? You
transcend all that, of course.
>I'm speaking of those who interpret their statements as to saying WinNT
>crashed and contributed to the incident. However since you seem to be able
>to manufacture intrigue on the pro-NT side and incapable of imagining
>intrigue on the other side I'll play Devil's Advocate and manufacture
>intrigue on the pro-Unix side. These guys know Unix and would rather stay
>with Unix, regardless of whether WinNT can or can not do the job equally
>well. They are covering their careers, a shift to WinNT weakens their
>employability. Again, I AM NOT saying this is occurring. I am only
>demonstrating that politics and intrigue could be manufactured on either
>side. I think the political motives you have offered in all seriousness
>and those I have offered only as a hypothetical example are both equally
>uninformed.
Sure, I considered that, but it took four months before we heard
another side of the story.
>>>> http://jerrypournelle.com/reports/jerryp/Yorktown.html
>>>>
>>>> "out of service for half an hour or so while the
>>>> NT system was restarted"
>>>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>
>>>System, not OS, see earlier arguments.
>>
>> So then why not say "Pentium Pro system was restarted", or "Database
>> system was restarted", or just "system was restarted". Why do they
>> always include NT??
>
>Why not? I often refer to my NT-box doing this job, my Linux-box doing
>that job, my Mac doing some other job.
And when the job crashes you say your box crashed??
>>>> "an NT system blew up"
>>>
>>>System, not OS, see earlier arguments, and again you greatly distort
>>>things. This is a reader's general characterization of the incident.
>>>This same reader starts his email with:
>>
>> Again, why not "Pentium Pro system blew up", or "Database
>> system blew up", or just "system blew up". Why do they
>> keep saying NT??
>
>Not "they", "he".
I can see you struggled with math, but don't you even know how to
count? There are two accounts above of people saying "NT". There were
others that have been snipped out. That's "they", not "he". And "they"
also includes all of the Newspaper reports and television news reports
as well as the Internet press. They all singled out NT as the culprit.
>The big money and politics against Microsoft would probably have uncovered
>an actual coverup regarding WinNT itself.
Nonsense. The U.S. government is extermely large and
decentralized. There are plenty of government officials kissing Bill's
ass and getting away with it.
>> Face it Anthony, neither of us can fully prove it either way. But one
>> thing we do know is that NT crashes, ...
>
>As does Unix,
Sure...and how often does UNIX crash compared to NT4???
>>>The press is interested getting readers not providing accurate
>>>information.
>>
>> And GCN is interested in protecting their readership: Government
>> officials.
>
>Then it doesn't make sense to protect WinNT. Government officials seem to
>be against Microsoft. Politics is not as one sided as you suggest. :-)
You don't seem to know very much about the U.S. government. Are you
even from the U.S.?? The U.S. government is extermely large and
decentralized. There are plenty of government officials that are
pro-microsoft. And the Navy certainly provides GCN alot more
readership than the DOJ.
>OK, but there was no suggestion that manual controls or commanding was
>missing at all. The missing backup systems referred to were electronic in
>nature, and reported to be missing only because it was a test platform.
Reported where??
>> And so the crew doesn't need to know at all how to use the manual
>> controls (or manual commanding)?? On any automated system with a
>> manual back up, one of the biggest concerns is that operators will not
>> know how to take advantage of the manual backup. What happens if enemy
>> fire takes out the machines that this "smart ship" database
>> on. Training the crew to recognize failures of the automated systems
>> and how to manually intervene to me would seem critical.
>
>I think your imagination is overworked again.
Pot, kettle, black.
>I think
See above...you imagine.
>the room was emptied
>as part of a fully automated test, not any sort of standard procedure or
>practice.
And this is cheaper than towing the Yorktown to port?? And where's the
report that says the room was emptied.
Perry
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From: Holger Bauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: How can screensaver ignore mouse activity?
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 18:12:36 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
How can I prevent a screen saver from reacting on mouse movements
(shaking desk ...)
and only allow to react on keyboard presses?
I am using KDE and the screensaver there in.
Regards,
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Joe Ragosta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Big Brother and the Holding Company
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 14:12:20 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "JS/PL"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > JS/PL wrote:
> > >
> > > "Joseph" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > JS/PL wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > If I remember correctly, the links were posted as supporting
> > > > > opinion
> > > that
> > > > > Windows2K is extremely reliable. Posted because I was accused of
> having
> > > no
> > > > > credibility when I said it myself.
> > > >
> > > > You have no credibility . How could anyone credibly say W2K is a
> reliable
> > > OS -
> > > > W2K is too new and hasn't be in service long enough to prove
> > > > itself.
> > > Hotmail
> > > > still runs FreeBSD. That's why W2K deployment has been put on hold
> for
> > > many
> > > > firms. It's still hard to get drivers for W2K. Get real.
> > >
> > > Who cares what Hotmail runs? Whats's the point of changing the
> > > server?
> It's
> > > just a company MS has purchased like 100's of others. There are
> employees
> > > and hardware in place and I'd be real surprised if the service ever
> turns a
> > > profit. Why sink dolloars retraining and purchasing un neccessary
> hardware
> > > and software when the Hotmail doesn't make dime one.
> >
> > Because it's a fucking admission that their OWN product (which, whaddya
> > know, doesn't cost MS a dime) is incapable of handling the task.
>
> Well after looking into the matter further I've come across this little
> gem,
> read it and weep:
> "HotMail has commenced its much awaited migration to a Microsoft
> operating
> system. Some Windows 2000 machines have recently been moved into the load
> balancing pool, with currently between 90-95% of requests being served by
> the established FreeBSD/Apache platform, and 5-10% from Windows 2000. The
> Hotmail site infrastructure is enormous, and even if everything runs
> smoothly, a migration will likely take several weeks."
> http://www.netcraft.com/survey/
>
>
So what you're saying is that 3 years after they tried to switch over to
Windows and failed, they've finally managed to switch 5% over to W2K
with a promise to do more later and you're impressed with this?
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