Linux-Advocacy Digest #338, Volume #30 Tue, 21 Nov 00 04:13:05 EST
Contents:
Re: Linux INstability & Netscape : Insights? ("Bobby D. Bryant")
Re: Of course, there is a down side... ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Of course, there is a down side... ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Of course, there is a down side... ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Of course, there is a down side... (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: Of course, there is a down side... ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Of course, there is a down side... (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: Of course, there is a down side... ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: I have had it up to *here* with Linux (Ketil Z Malde)
Re: OS stability ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: OT: Could someone explain C++ phobia in Linux? ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: OT: Could someone explain C++ phobia in Linux? ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: New to Linux, and I am not satisfied. (Jacques Guy)
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From: "Bobby D. Bryant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux INstability & Netscape : Insights?
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 01:43:31 -0600
tom wrote:
> No, not Netscape Navigator the browser. It takes forever to start (&
> doesn't go full screen, which is why I like IE5), but I don't think the
> browser has ever given me problems. Only the newsreader, which has
> some glitch that seems to go back a few versions.
I would pretty much echor jedi, except wrt the newsreader. I use it all
the time. I've had lots of trouble with Netscape over the years, but I
don't believe it has ever killed X or any other program.
Not to say that it can't happen. I used to not believe people who
complained about the fonts in Linux... until they changed my video card at
work, and suddenly I'm stuck with Real Ugly Fonts. Not sure why Collabra
should take down X, but I'm not sure why a new video card would have such
an impact on my fonts, either....
All I can say is that your experience does not seem to be the norm for
Linux.
Bobby Bryant
Austin, Texas
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Of course, there is a down side...
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 02:48:53 -0500
Mike Byrns wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>
> > Les Mikesell wrote:
> > >
> > > "Mike Byrns" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >
> > > > > > > I usually have a need for that sort of text transformation several
> > > times
> > > > > > > a day.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That's you pal.
> > > > >
> > > > > I take it you like retyping everything?
> > > >
> > > > Bah, I'd use Excel.
> > >
> > > It can do some nice things if you planned the contents of the columns
> > > to start. Regexps are good for fixing someone else's mistakes.
> > >
> > > > > The usual problem is unpredictable crashes with or without an error
> > > dialog
> > > > > about the *.dll involved.
> > > >
> > > > Really? Please document.
> > >
> > > Things like this:
> > >
> > > NETSCP6 caused an invalid page fault in
> > > module XPCOM.DLL at 017f:60ca8bd9.
> > > Registers:
> > > EAX=00000000 CS=017f EIP=60ca8bd9 EFLGS=00010246
> > > EBX=607282c8 SS=0187 ESP=0065fa54 EBP=0065fbf4
> > > ECX=00000000 DS=0187 ESI=0084ed80 FS=0e4f
> > > EDX=00000000 ES=0187 EDI=00000000 GS=0000
> > > Bytes at CS:EIP:
> > > 39 41 0c 74 03 8b 41 14 c3 8b 54 24 08 33 c0 3b
> > > Stack dump:
> > > 60723de1 00000000 0084ed80 0084ed80 00000000 60721af9 0084ed80 0084ed80
> > > 80000000 00000000 607220da 00000000 0084ed80 00000000 0065fab8 60cc792b
> > >
> > > My son just had a similar crash on a freshly downloaded IE 5.5 on a
> > > different
> > > machine but didn't save the error. MusicMaker 4 (full version) recently
> > > started
> > > doing something similar with a different dll when accessing cddb. I have
> > > fixed
> > > that at least temporarily by downloading the free version of 6.0, but now
> > > it bugs me about paying for the full version every so often. Everyone
> > > I know who loads many different programs has the same stories.
> > >
> > > > > What kind of person doesn't work with text - or manipulate it a bit?
> > > >
> > > > People that use Word and Excel -- AKA the vast majority of the world.
> > >
> > > Odd you should mention a word processor for people that don't deal
> > > with text.
> > >
> > > > > I don't see anything resembling regexps in there. How do you
> > > > > ask it to match repeated strings?
> > > >
> > > > Try it why don't you. Put that code in you used before. If it doesn't
> > > work DL
> > > > a grep clone. They are not unique to nix.
> > >
> > > No, nothing resembling grouping works. The 'real' grep will compile with
> > > appropriate tools, though.
> > >
> > > > > So, a couple of minutes later you have it in 2 columns in Excel with the
> > > > > comma gone. You can cut and paste one column to the other position,
> > > > > then delete the now blank 1st column. Now how do you get it saved
> > > > > without a tab or comma delimiter being put back?
> > > >
> > > > Save As, choose txt. Does it bother you that there's no need to code
> > > here?
> > > >
> > >
> > > I didn't look the way I expected, even after finding the space delimited
> > > text save. It padded the words to the width of the column. It doesn't
> > > bother me to use visual tools for small jobs now that 500+Mhz pentiums
> > > are cheap. It only bothers me that there are some obvious holes in
> > > the functionality.
> >
> > That's not the real problem
> >
> > The REAL problem is that Microsoft has NO intention of filling in
> > these functional holes unless they are dragged, kicking and screaming,
> > to the solution.
>
> Nah, I think the REAL problem is that you folks seem not to have even the most
> basic understanding of Microsoft products.
>
> Can you folks comprehend that saving a fixed width fielded file is NOT what you
Who said anything about fixed width? This is a space-delimited file.
> really wanted? This whole last first switch would take the average executive
> assistant under a minute...
1500 lines worth??
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Of course, there is a down side...
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 02:52:44 -0500
Mike Byrns wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>
> > Mike Byrns wrote:
> > >
> > > Les Mikesell wrote:
> > >
> > > > "Mike Byrns" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Certainly the text editors which come with the debian linux distro are
> > > > > > far superior to notepad.exe which comes with windows. I like vi, but
> > > > > > joe is interesting, and emacs is nearly an os anyway. There're stacks
> > > > > > of them and all seem better than notepad.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mark
> > > > >
> > > > > How many do you need? There are actually three editors that ship with
> > > > > Windows, notepad, wordpad and edit. To each his own.
> > > >
> > > > You need one or more with regular expression matching and substitution.
> > > > How many of the ones included with Windows have it?
> > > >
> > > > Les Mikesell
> > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >
> > > No Les, YOU need one with regex capability. You are not representative of the
> > > typical computer user.
> >
> > The typical computer user occasionally must do find&replace for a large
> > number of items.
> >
> > Microsoft solution: Manual cut and paste for each instance.
>
> What of "Replace All"?
>
> > When I was at Kmart, Windows admins would routinely send files that
> > needed such treatment to Unix admins, because in 30 seconds and one
> > sed command, we could save them HOURS of repetitive cut&paste operations.
>
> KMart Windows admins just about says it all. When you your corporate culture puts
Kmart is a Fortune-25 company.
> UNIX ahead of Windows you tend to get shitty NT admins. Perhaps it's because you
Kmart corporate culture is to (foolishly) put Windows on the desktop, and
to use Unix only for corporate databases.
> nix-snobs treat them like second-class citizens? Perhaps it's because their paid
There are approximately 50 Windows Admins for every Unix Admin at Kmart.
> less? No wonder the only ones you can get to hire on and stay are losers.
All Windows admins are losers.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Of course, there is a down side...
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 02:58:06 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Two Words: It Works.
Only dumbasses delete files they want to keep.
>
> claire
>
> On 17 Nov 2000 14:52:45 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donal K. Fellows)
> wrote:
>
> >In article <3a11894b$0$3640$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> >Hoot Owl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> #2) Two words: Recycle Bin
> >
> >Two words: GUI Gimmick.
> >
> >Donal (who has one on his Solaris desktop and thinks its a waste of space...)
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Subject: Re: Of course, there is a down side...
Date: 21 Nov 2000 07:58:33 GMT
On Tue, 21 Nov 2000 03:56:39 GMT, Mike Byrns wrote:
>Tim wrote:
>How's this better?
It's better in that you have a searchable database of installed packages
and the associated dependencies.
> More usable to the average computer user? I think not.
Sure, it's usable given an appropriate GUI front end (like kpackage)
>What's wrong with a well written setup program that autoruns when you insert
>the CD?
It only works for programs that are distributed on a single CD.
And it doesn't make for terribly convenient automatable installs.
>Face it, most folks do NOT want to have to enter cryptic codes to do basic
>things like install software.
Sure, but then they don't have to.
--
Donovan Rebbechi * http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/ *
elflord at panix dot com
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Of course, there is a down side...
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 03:03:24 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Tim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [claire snipped]
> > Actually, yes Red Hat and others have somewhat unfriendly names for
> > packages.
> >
> > This is not a big deal ... to find netscape for e.g., you can just do
> >
> > #rpm -qa | grep netscape*
> > netscape-common-4.75-5
> >
> > now with that little snippet you can do anything to the package you want
> >
> > #rpm -e $(rpm -qa | grep netscape*)
> > will uninstall it
> >
> > #rpm -ql $(rpm -qa | grep netscape*)
> > will list all the files it installed
> >
> > and so on
> >
> > much better than windows.
>
> CLI-phobic? You can do the same with "kpackage".
What's your point?
why is EVERY debate framed in terms of "What if I'm a fucking dumbass
who refuses to learn a damned thing"?
If that is the case, you should take your computer back to the store
where you purchased it from, and tell them, "I, pac4854, am too
fucking stupid to own and operate a computer."
>
> Of course the Windows registry is much more intuitive with key names
> like "{BB2E617C-0920-11d1-9A0B-00C04FC2D6C1}". Any fool can look at that
> and tell right away what it means.
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Of course, there is a down side...
Date: 21 Nov 2000 08:01:49 GMT
On Tue, 21 Nov 2000 03:38:22 GMT, Mike Byrns wrote:
>It's just that elitist attitude from it's proponents that is holding and will
>continue to hold linux back from widespread adoption.
Nonsense, nonsense, nonsense.
The "elitist" attitude is largely confined to a few vocal morons. The
developers for the most part aren't "nasty elitists" as anyone who's
reviewed the goals of KDE and GNOME, the largest two linux projects
(barring perhaps the kernel itself), would know.
And no, it doesn't "appear to be holding Linux back", Linux is doing
just fine, and will most probably continue to do so.
--
Donovan Rebbechi * http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/ *
elflord at panix dot com
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Of course, there is a down side...
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 03:09:32 -0500
Gary Hallock wrote:
>
> > How's this better? More usable to the average computer user? I think not.
> > What's wrong with a well written setup program that autoruns when you insert
> > the CD? You know the ones that ask to install the program if its not installed
> > or run it or uninstall it if it is. The same ones that often offer to display
> > a release notes file that usually contains a list of the files installed, etc.
> >
> > Face it, most folks do NOT want to have to enter cryptic codes to do basic
> > things like install software.
>
> What's wrong with kpackage? Insert CD. The CD is automatically mounted and
> kpackage is started with a description of the rpm file. One click and you have a
> list of files in the package.
>
> The fact is, if you want a point and click GUI interface, you have it. If you
> prefer a CLI interface, you have that too. Why do Windows people get so bent of
> of shape just because CLI is offered as an option on Linux?
Because Windows users are tooooooooo lazy and stupid to learn anything
that isn't drool-n-lick.
>
> Gary
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
Subject: Re: I have had it up to *here* with Linux
From: Ketil Z Malde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 08:14:10 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jake Taense) writes:
>> You proved that POV compiled with a specific Win* compiler ran
>> faster on Win than POV compiled with a specific Linux compiler on
>> Linux. Exactly what can be interpreted out of that I don't know,
>> other than the obvious fact in the last sentence. It's interensting
>> nevertheless.
> This logic invalidates every possible benchmark or comparison.
So if logic dictates that it is meaningless to make sweeping
statements without clearly defining what you're talking about, then
you'd rather dismiss logic?
Lies, damned lies, and benchmarks.
FWIW, there's little reason why a compute-intensive application like a
ray tracer should run differently on different platforms. It's down
to compiler optimisations, mostly.
There's a few other trade offs (perhaps Linux runs
more services that drain a bit of CPU? Perhaps it has shorter time
slices which gives you better response time for other applications,
but more frequent context switches?), but the difference should all
boil down to a few percent.
If you want a box for compute-intensive work, Linux is a good choice,
because
a) you can easily configure the system to omit anything
irrelevant - saving RAM and CPU for what's important
b) you can set up a bunch of diskless boxes in a beowulf type
cluster, and have really simple administration
c) and of course, the price is right
You do need a good admin, though. Or at least somebody willing to
read a lot of documentation.
-kzm
--
If I haven't seen further, it is by standing in the footprints of giants
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: OS stability
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 03:15:08 -0500
sfcybear wrote:
>
> In article <1DIP5.7851$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > I'm a university-educated, systems engineer....and I don't perform
> > > much "regular maintenance" on any of the Unix boxes I administrate.
> > >
> > > Disk drives last 5 years...We do backups every night.
> > > If a power supply fails, the vendor will replace it in less than 120
> > minutes.
> >
> > Great, I'm sure your bosses like 2 hours of system unavailability.
>
> what? you suggest taking the server down every 2 months for testing that
> would take at least an hour! You'd have FAR more system unavailability
> (I am assuming configurations are ==) than a 2 hour outage every 5
> years!
Not to mention that power-cycling the damn thing every month is
going to CAUSE system unavailability.
Just WHAT exactly, does Erik do to the machine when he shuts the
power off every month?
Change the lable on the side telling what the hostname is?
Polish the prongs on the power cord?
Tongue-test the power supply?
Inquiring minds want to know!
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: OT: Could someone explain C++ phobia in Linux?
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 02:41:04 -0600
"Russ Lyttle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> VC++ tricks can/does make WINDOWS ONLY code somewhat faster than gcc,
> thats true. But, last time I tried, Borland Turbo C beat VC++. Anyone
> tried that recently?
Actually, Borland has always had a fairly poor optimizer, though for years
it was better than Microsofts. When VC5 came out, they introduced an
entirely new optimizer that put it at the top of the pack. On top of that,
Borlands floating point code has always been very poor.
To my knowledge, only Intel's compiler beats MS's current compiler in
processor specific optimizations, however that will change with VC7.
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: OT: Could someone explain C++ phobia in Linux?
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 02:43:28 -0600
"Russ Lyttle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> But if you write the C++ code like the C code, then you aren't writing
> C++ code, but C code, so why do C++ or use a C++ compiler? The sample
> posted was selected to be simple and use "true" C++ and C. Your logic is
> common : "Post samples", "But you could do that aother way". Any real
> program is simply to big to post (I don't think the group would like 2
> files of several meg each attached). So read it an weap : The C++
> program, a proper C++ program, not a C program in C++ disguise is bigger
> and slower.
Since C++ includes the majority of the C language, writing code that
compiles under a c++ compiler *IS* c++, even if it also might be C. There
are some subtle difference between the same program compiled under C and C++
though.
Additionally, you've not posted any timings for the executed code.
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 09:10:50 +0000
From: Jacques Guy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: New to Linux, and I am not satisfied.
Dan Hinojosa wrote:
> One of my biggest
> complaints is that I cannot copy and paste between applications, this
> just has to be written in some Magna Carta somewhere! Is there another
> desktop that abides by certain unalienable rights like copy and paste?
If you'd done any work on a Unix box, you'd know. Click at the beginning
of the text you want to copy, drag to the end (DO NOT click there!),
go to where you want to paste the text, click the middle button. Voila.
If you have only a two-button mouse, click both buttons at once.
And if I'd never used Windoze before, I wouldn't know how to copy and
paste between apps either, short of wading through Windoze for Dummies,
Windoze Made Easy, Windoze in 24 Hours (but really six months),
Windoze for the Billions, Teach Yourself Windoze, etc.
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