Linux-Advocacy Digest #433, Volume #28 Wed, 16 Aug 00 12:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: The dusty Linux shelves at CompUSA (Nathaniel Jay Lee)
Re: Is the GDI-in-kernel-mode thing really so bad?... (was Re: Anonymous Wintrolls
and Authentic Linvocates) ("Christopher Smith")
BASIC == Beginners language (Was: Just curious.... (Donal K. Fellows)
Re: Scheme == Beginners language (Donal K. Fellows)
Re: BASIC == Beginners language (Was: Just curious.... (Donal K. Fellows)
Re: The dusty Linux shelves at CompUSA ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: C# is a copy of java (Donal K. Fellows)
Re: C# is a copy of java (Donal K. Fellows)
Re: there are plenty of good paradigms (Donal K. Fellows)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (Chris Wenham)
Re: Gnome or KDE (Donal K. Fellows)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (Matthias Warkus)
Re: Why my company will NOT use Linux (Matthias Warkus)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? ("Christopher Smith")
Notebook/Windows rebate? (Nobody Needs to Know)
Re: FAQ for c.o.m.n.a Now Available! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: FAQ for c.o.m.n.a Now Available! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (rj friedman)
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From: Nathaniel Jay Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The dusty Linux shelves at CompUSA
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 08:59:25 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I'll bet they sell 200 times that of PowderPuff Girls (a kids game for
> Windows).... I saw 3 people on line buying that game the day I was
> there.
All your other stuff is pretty redundant, but you dare to bring up the
PowderPuff Girls? I'm outraged!
(For those that don't know I watch Cartoon Network on a regular basis
and PowderPuff girls rock! Also, Johnny Bravo, Dexter's Lab, I am
Weasle (I. R. Baboon), Cow and Chicken, and of course the old Looney
Tunes (can anybody ever get enough of them?). And if you really think
this is a strike against me, so be it. You gots ta keep yo sense o'
humor, and watching cartoons can be real relaxing. Shut down the brain
and watch the show. Ahhhhhh.)
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Nathaniel Jay Lee
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From: "Christopher Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Is the GDI-in-kernel-mode thing really so bad?... (was Re: Anonymous
Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates)
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 00:23:50 +1000
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8nbtv9$klk$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> Donovan Rebbechi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > On Mon, 14 Aug 2000 18:19:54 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > >
> >
> > >What is FVWM missing that explorer.exe provides for a working
> environment?
> >
> > A file manager. FVWM vs explorer isn't really a fair comparison. A
better
> > comparison would be FVWM + TKdesk vs explorer or KWM + KFM vs explorer
>
> Yes, Explorer is more or less just a filemanager. It is the
> reimplimentations of winfile.exe the Windows 3.x filemanager. For some
> reason so many of the Window's users will point to it as their analog to
the
> X window manager, so for their sake in this thread I have ignored the
> inaccuracy of it.
Explorer is the closest you can get in Windows to a "Window Manager". It's
better described as a shell, and as such KDE is a better (and fairer)
comparison.
> On the other hand to make the resource consumption
> comparison fair, I did count the usage of Midnight Commander compiled for
> and linked with the GPM for mouse support running in an xterm.
Sheesh. First you use TWM, and now mc running in an *xterm* ?
And you wonder why people accuse you of "cheating" ?
> Actually
> running three instances of it. There is a problem there as well, since
> Midnight Commander has features that explorer.exe can not match like being
> an ftp client that makes remote FTP archives appear another directory on
> your host for most functions. But I am not using that as part of the
> comparison.
Explorer can and has done that since IE4.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donal K. Fellows)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: BASIC == Beginners language (Was: Just curious....
Date: 16 Aug 2000 14:06:20 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Said Donovan Rebbechi in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
>> On Mon, 14 Aug 2000 14:35:02 -0400, T. Max Devlin wrote:
>>> Perhaps you've never seen my definition of intuitive: familiar. And
>>> BASIC is, quite pointedly, more intuitive to people who don't already
>>> know programming, but use natural language. It is simple, even
>>
>> I disagree with this. It's more familiar to people like you who are
>> already familiar with it, I mean, that's tautological. But I don't
>> see how it's more "familiar" than anything else.
>
> Well, let's put it this way: I can't find 'fi' in a standard dictionary.
It's a standard abbreviation, for "Fiona". And for some reason I've
not had time to research, it is also (according to tradition) spoken
by the giant in _Jack and the Beanstalk_. HTH!
Donal.
--
Donal K. Fellows http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~fellowsd/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-- Actually, come to think of it, I don't think your opponent, your audience,
or the metropolitan Tokyo area would be in much better shape.
-- Jeff Huo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donal K. Fellows)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Scheme == Beginners language
Date: 16 Aug 2000 14:09:53 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Bobby D. Bryant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> There seems to be a new(?) trend toward using functional languages in
> introductory courses, and Scheme is benefitting from that trend. Haskell
> seems to be popular as well.
SML was being used as a first language in at least one institution
(i.e. the one I was attending at the time) in 1991.
Donal.
--
Donal K. Fellows http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~fellowsd/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-- Actually, come to think of it, I don't think your opponent, your audience,
or the metropolitan Tokyo area would be in much better shape.
-- Jeff Huo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donal K. Fellows)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: BASIC == Beginners language (Was: Just curious....
Date: 16 Aug 2000 14:27:12 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Said R.E.Ballard in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
>> Use of goto statements, especially calculated goto statements,
>> is also a bit "unkosher". Again, these are bad habits that must
>> be later unlearned when supporting mulitple users, multiple windows,
>> and multiple threads.
>
> But what if there is no later? An end user wants simple customization,
> automation, *control* of interface processing mechanisms. If there
> requirements extend to supporting other users than themselves, multiple
> windows, or threading, then obviously they should learn a "real"
> programming language. I'm just interested in how *accessible* it is,
> not how *capable* it might be.
This is all very well, until the end-user rumbles on up in a year's
time, tells you that they're very happy with what you've done, but
could you just add a few more features? Like more users, windows and
performance on their new hardware (possibly implying threads.) That's
when gotos tend to bite.
One of the biggest challenges in professional computer system design
is making sure that the design continues to serve its purpose for the
whole lifetime of the project (a timespan that can easily be over 10
years long in a commercial environment due to the sheer cost of
producing a completely new solution) while adapting to encompass the
extra demands placed upon it in the intervening period.
For example, ten years ago, commercial use of the 'net was just
not... well... it just *wasn't* really. Look now! Any system
flexible enough to have coped with the last 10 years in the computing
world without major change had better be doing something right, and
its initial design must have been pretty good indeed...
It is hard to design good software when you're using loads of gotos,
and it has been hard for a long time...
http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/EWD/ewd02xx/EWD215.PDF
(I can recommend http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/EWD/ very highly, but
only if you've got a few days to spare!)
Donal.
--
Donal K. Fellows http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~fellowsd/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-- Actually, come to think of it, I don't think your opponent, your audience,
or the metropolitan Tokyo area would be in much better shape.
-- Jeff Huo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: The dusty Linux shelves at CompUSA
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 14:38:04 GMT
Looney tunes (the original ones) are the best.
My favorite is the Bugs Bunny episode with the 2 crooks Rocky and the
boss.
The one where bugs say's "Would I throw a lighted match into the oven
if my friend Rocky was in it?
Ya might Rabbit...
Ya might...
Hysterical...
The Jim Brody jumping off the Bklyn Bridge is another good one.
Claire
On Wed, 16 Aug 2000 08:59:25 -0500, Nathaniel Jay Lee
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>(For those that don't know I watch Cartoon Network on a regular basis
>and PowderPuff girls rock! Also, Johnny Bravo, Dexter's Lab, I am
>Weasle (I. R. Baboon), Cow and Chicken, and of course the old Looney
>Tunes (can anybody ever get enough of them?). And if you really think
>this is a strike against me, so be it. You gots ta keep yo sense o'
>humor, and watching cartoons can be real relaxing. Shut down the brain
>and watch the show. Ahhhhhh.)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donal K. Fellows)
Subject: Re: C# is a copy of java
Date: 16 Aug 2000 14:34:02 GMT
In article <8n1hpq$5ar$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Imagine the performance hit on a multiuser host that has the bulk of its
> software written in a language like C# or Java.
IME, most of the "hit" on Java's performance comes from runtime
startup time and graphics (due to its near-insane over-generality.)
Neither of which apply in a server environment. Safe extensibility is
a *very* nice feature to have, and its one that C/C++ (and probably
ObjC too) can't deliver (not without OS support of a level that's not
currently generally available...)
You pays your money, you takes your pick...
Donal.
--
Donal K. Fellows http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~fellowsd/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-- Actually, come to think of it, I don't think your opponent, your audience,
or the metropolitan Tokyo area would be in much better shape.
-- Jeff Huo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donal K. Fellows)
Subject: Re: C# is a copy of java
Date: 16 Aug 2000 14:42:32 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I usually start marshalling stuff to disk at this point (usually in
> some db-ish hash) -- it's usually no problem to do so (but I don't
> know your exact requirements, so I can't comment on your problems).
> It's a difficult proposition the I believe the next generation of
> programming languages need to attempt[0] to solve.
I'd be doing that sort of thing - I've already got half the
architecture I need - except my boss has my efforts focussed in a
different direction which is a longer shot but which should give a
better yield in terms of effort/payoff.
> [0] They won't be successful for at least a few versions, the current
> garbage collection algorithims (ie, reference counting == bad,
> mmmkay?) will lend help in this arena.
Refcounting is nasty. It works, but the book-keeping can get a bit
daunting. Mark-sweep GC is better, but I know less about how that
works. (Anyone got a good URL so I can finally get to grips with the
algorithm behind this concept?)
> [1] I work on healthcare patitent population analysis involving
> millions of procedure, diagnosis and presctiption fills and I have to
> construction thousands of patient states out of this "stateless"
> information.
Our medical database people are down the corridor from me. They seem
to be more interested in producing terminology databases, but since I
find databases dull in the extreme, I might not be the representing
their work fairly...
Donal.
--
Donal K. Fellows http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~fellowsd/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-- Actually, come to think of it, I don't think your opponent, your audience,
or the metropolitan Tokyo area would be in much better shape.
-- Jeff Huo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donal K. Fellows)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: there are plenty of good paradigms
Date: 16 Aug 2000 14:46:31 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Richard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You have to remember that programmers are *gods* with respect to
> software, so set your ambitions and expectations accordingly.
Why is godhood so much hard work?
Donal.
--
Donal K. Fellows http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~fellowsd/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-- Actually, come to think of it, I don't think your opponent, your audience,
or the metropolitan Tokyo area would be in much better shape.
-- Jeff Huo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
From: Chris Wenham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 15:13:06 GMT
>>>>> "cbass2112" == cbass2112 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Chris Wenham
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> GIMP is available for Windows. The trend may extend to
>> more. After all, the source is freely available.
>>
>> Indeed, someone may even port "Everblue" to Windows.
> (Strike GIMP and replace with more suitable example. Try not to
> lose focus on point I was trying to make.)
I do see the point. But I was also proposing a counterpoint: What if
someone ports Everblue to Windows?
Regards,
Chris Wenham
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donal K. Fellows)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: Gnome or KDE
Date: 16 Aug 2000 15:12:56 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
The Ghost In The Machine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[...]
>>>> You had ones? All we had was zeros.
>>> You were lucky.
>>> We had to bang two rocks together to get the zeros...
>> I had to walk 10 miles, uphill, in the snow just to get the rocks!
You young whippersnappers had it easy! We had to quarry the rocks out
of the ground at the bottom of a frozen swamp using only our noses.
In the middle of a blizzard. And we were glad of it! You've never
had it so good...
> Both ways? :-)
All three of them!
Donal.
--
Donal K. Fellows http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~fellowsd/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-- Actually, come to think of it, I don't think your opponent, your audience,
or the metropolitan Tokyo area would be in much better shape.
-- Jeff Huo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 17:02:57 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Tue, 15 Aug 2000 23:59:25 GMT...
...and [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> PhotoPaint is now avaliable on Linux. The trend may extend to more (it
> will definitely extend to more Corel apps, as their entire graphics
> suite is being ported).
Thank God Corel's Wine-based "ports" are utterly unstable, buggy and
slow. This hopefully will:
1) Finally kill Corel (Linux was their last straw)
2) Make one of the main reasons for people to buy Corel Linux
disappear
3) Show that emulator-based ports are nonsense and make companies do
decent, native implementations, like Applixware, and now Sun, are
doing
mawa
--
> Aber sonst geht es dir noch gut, oder? X11 ist gegenueber dem NICHT
> NETZWERKFAEHIGEN WINDOWS-ANSATZ die bei weitem ueberlegene Technik.
Soetwas braucht eh keiner. Wer hat schon mehrere Rechner vernetzt.
-- Jost Boekemeier
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Subject: Re: Why my company will NOT use Linux
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 16:59:40 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Tue, 15 Aug 2000 15:49:36 -0700...
...and [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Nathaniel Jay Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > Would that then mean that there is a 'geek' version of Linux and a
> > 'dork' version of Linux?:-)
> >
> > I kind of like that idea.
>
> How about spliting Linux into two sepperate OS entirely those who can handle
> Linux as it is and like it can use the smartux OS (pronounced: smart tux)
> and the others that can't hack smartux would have the dumbux OS (pronounced:
> dumb ox).
Your statement alone would already make you look like a pathetic
elitist who's got nothing except his knowledge of Unix arcana to be
proud of; and your lack of decent orthography reinforces this
impression.
I can handle lots and lots of very arcane command-lineish things, and
some that are rather developer-specific (fixing compilation bugs in
automake-controlled projects all the time; this is NOT trivial when
you're doing it the first time, believe me), but I know I've got other
things to be proud of. Linux is not a single product and not
controlled by a single entity, the phrase "Linux as it is" is already
nonsense in itself; and there is no danger that Linux might somehow
get "dumbed down" or such.
mawa
--
Miller's Paradox: As a network evolves, the number of Nazi
comparisons not forestalled by citation to Godwin's Law converges to
zero.
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From: "Christopher Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 01:39:54 +1000
"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Said Christopher Smith in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
[chomp]
> >> It is true that one is not a liar if one is merely ignorant of
> >> the truth.. This does not, however, entirely discombobulate the
meaning
> >> of the phrase "dishonest mistake". A dishonest mistake is an
> >> intentional mistake, one motivated by dishonesty, and there is such a
> >> thing.
> >
> >You mean a lie. I'm not surprised if you're going to call me a liar,
Max,
> >you have a habit of doing that to people whose arguments you cannot
refute.
>
> I have a habit of doing it to people that I believe are lying.
The correleation between such people and people whose arguments you cannot
(or will not) refute is astounding.
> The fact
> that it rarely comes up except with people who deny that I've refuted
> their arguments is more illustration of why these meta-discussions are
> unending.
You have yet to refute any of my arguments in this thread. You've done an
excellent job of trying not to, howeevr.
[chomp]
> >> And its worth observing that you seem to practice it routinely
> >> in your insistence that observation and contemplation is not sufficient
> >> to recognize Microsoft's behavior as both criminal and unethical.
> >
> >Working on whose definition of "ethical" ?
>
> My own, of course. I haven't happened upon any others which I would
> necessarily take as divine wisdom, though almost all I've examined have
> had value in some regards, even the bad ones. Who's definition would
> you like me to use in particular?
I don't really care, but you imply that Microsoft's behaviour is unethical
to everyone.
> >> You
> >> make the mistake of not considering much of the evidence, and your use
> >> of obfuscation and misdirection and general flum-flummery in
conjunction
> >> with this pretense of naivete indicates it is a dishonest, which is to
> >> say false, mistake.
> >
> >I have considered all available evidence. That I, someone who does not
have
> >an irrational hatred of Microsoft, should draw a conclusion different to
> >yours, is not something you should consider strange or dishonest.
>
> I have no irrational hatred of Microsoft, despite your accusations. I
> do, I'll admit, have a rational hatred of Microsoft, if that isn't an
> oxymoron to begin with.
It is. Hatred is an emotion, and emotions are inherently irrational.
> They epitomize so many despicable human
> proclivities, when considered in the abstract, and have held the PC
> industry back more than any other force I can think of.
Yes, we often hear about how big bad Microsoft has held the industry back.
"What if", however, is not a particularly compelling argument.
> But that is
> derived from my arguments, I do not derive my arguments from that
> opinion.
>
> I'm afraid I'll have to disagree with you. If you claim to have
> considered all available evidence, and have drawn a different conclusion
> than Joel Kline, Judge Jackson, or I have, then I must consider you
> either strange or dishonest. Or simply mistaken.
Many, many people agree with me.
> >> You know the truth is that these are reasonable
> >> considerations, whether the truth is that MS is wrong or not. You
> >> simply want to avoid confronting your mistake in reasoning by resting
on
> >> tell-tale "we cannot know" and "that's not MS's problem" arguments, and
> >> so many of your statements concerning Windows and Microsoft constitute
> >> dishonest mistakes.
> >
> >If you want to point out any mistakes I've made, feel free.
>
> That's rich, but rather boring in its evidence of your willingness to
> deny the obvious. Goodbye.
IOW, you can't.
Why am I not surprised ?
>
> [...Balance of the hundred lines where I did just that and
> Christopher Smith pretended to respond snipped...]
Having reviewed the thread, I find no places in it where you have pointed
out mistakes.
A lot of asserting, however....
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nobody Needs to Know)
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.systems,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.misc,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.portable
Subject: Notebook/Windows rebate?
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 08:29:59 -0700
Howdy, folks.
I'm looking at buying a new notebook, but I have no need/desire for
Windows. A friend of mine recently told me that there's some way to
return your unopened bundled copies of Microsoft software to Microsoft for
a rebate. Anybody know anything about this? I'm probably going to get a
Dell Inspiron 5000, but Dell INSISTS that you MUST have Windows 98 and
Office SBE. You can't opt out of them. If there's some way to get a
rebate on these things, I'd certainly love to know how. Alternatively, if
there's some readily available resale market on them, I'd be happy to do
that, too.
Thanks,
-- David
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: FAQ for c.o.m.n.a Now Available!
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 11:31:56 -0400
Robert Moir wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Robert Moir wrote:
> > >
> > > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > Robert Moir wrote:
> > > [...]
> > > > > Whatever.
> > > >
> > > > No...not fucking "WHATEVER"... what I described is an accurate
> > > > representation of the Microsoft model.
> > >
> > > *in your opinion*
> >
> > No...in REALITY.
>
> *sigh*
>
> > > Like I said, "Whatever" - I wont change your mind anytime soon, and you
> wont
> > > change mine. So yes, "Whatever". There it is again "Whatever"... just
> deal
> > > with it... ok?
> >
> > "Whatever" is the refuge of the weak-minded.
>
> Nope. Its me realising its not worth my time attempting to talk to you. I
> notice you don't even bother answering the rest of my post. Can I assume,
> then, that you are conceding the point about the value, or lack of it, in
> your posts?
I concede that you are running away.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
J: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: FAQ for c.o.m.n.a Now Available!
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 11:32:20 -0400
Otto wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> : Robert Moir wrote:
> : >
> : > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> : > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> : > > Robert Moir wrote:
> : > [...]
> : > > > Whatever.
> : > >
> : > > No...not fucking "WHATEVER"... what I described is an accurate
> : > > representation of the Microsoft model.
> : >
> : > *in your opinion*
> :
> : No...in REALITY.
> :
> :
> : > Like I said, "Whatever" - I wont change your mind anytime soon, and you
> wont
> : > change mine. So yes, "Whatever". There it is again "Whatever"... just
> deal
> : > with it... ok?
> :
> : "Whatever" is the refuge of the weak-minded.
>
> No, calling "whatever" a refuge is the excuse of the weak-minded.
> Intelligent people can see if there is no reason to debate. Others try to
> provoke a response, forgetting that sometimes they might not like what is
> posted.
Sophomoric Sophistry is not victory.
>
> Otto
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
J: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (rj friedman)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: 16 Aug 2000 15:39:16 GMT
On Tue, 8 Aug 2000 15:04:02 "Christopher Smith"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
�...since I disgree with the law in principle and consider
�most of the evidence to be irrelevant, it's hardly surprising I have a
�different opinion to you, no ?
The United States of America - and the European Common
Market - and China - and Japan - and India - all say that
your 'different opinion' is full of shit.
Face reality sonny boy. It is not a case of the whole world
being wrong and you being right. Stick your head in the sand
and pretend all you want - but deep in your heart you have
to face the fact that you are 100% full of shit.
________________________________________________________
[RJ] OS/2 - Live it, or live with it.
rj friedman Team ABW
Taipei, Taiwan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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