Linux-Advocacy Digest #433, Volume #29 Tue, 3 Oct 00 20:13:06 EDT
Contents:
Re: GPL & freedom ("Jon A. Maxwell (JAM)")
Re: How low can they go...? ("Simon Cooke")
Re: Off-topic Idiots (Was Bush v. Gore on taxes) (Marty)
Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?) (Richard)
Re: How low can they go...? (Jonathan Revusky)
Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?) (Richard)
Re: Why should anyone prefer Linux to Win2k on the DeskTop ("Colin R. Day")
Re: Off-topic Idiots (Was Bush v. Gore on taxes) (Marty)
Re: So did they ever find out what makes windows98 freeze up all the time? ("Ken
Blake")
The return of Drestin Lack-o-facts. ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Off-topic Idiots (Was Bush v. Gore on taxes) (Marty)
Re: Unix rules in Redmond ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Unix rules in Redmond ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?) (Richard)
Re: GPL & freedom ("Simon Cooke")
Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?) (T. Max Devlin)
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From: "Jon A. Maxwell (JAM)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: GPL & freedom
Date: 3 Oct 2000 22:49:58 GMT
Simon Cooke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: (comp.lang.java.advocacy)
|"Jon A. Maxwell (JAM)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
|>
|> Music will work the same way. Musicians will earn money from
|> their songs being played on the radio (service) and from concerts
|> (admission). You'll still get the copy free from Napster and the
|> artist will still make 'plenty' of money. Mp3.com is good
|> example of how this can work well.
|
| Hang on... so music, being free to copy, can be distributed
| freely. But you're saying that they get paid for radio play
| because it's a "service"? How in hell can that be? Or are you
| talking about a live performance on the radio?
Yes, companies that make money off the copyrighted music will have to
pay royalties. This is proper since, again, the copyright is about
*protecting* profits not creating them.
The service is the selection of what to play and the convenience of
it. Check out http://www.mp3.com/newartist/pforp.html -- $20,000 per
month for giving the music out free. This with a new, fast-growing
market existing in a free-music environment (napster)!
And the artist will actually benefit from competition to mp3.com,
since any competitors will have to offer artists better returns to
list their music with the new site. This favors profits going to the
artists instead of middlemen.
|> | Nice philosophy.
|>
| Well, go for it! Let me know how you do and I'll consider doing it
| myself.
|
| If, however, you find that the honest are outweighed by the greedy
| and dishonest 10:1, then don't cry. After all, you *told* us so.
There's no honesty or dishonesty involved in this model. I'd wager
that you are against it in part because it would mean Microsoft would
make money on continuous improvements instead of monopoly.
Jam (address rot13 encoded)
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From: "Simon Cooke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: How low can they go...?
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:46:51 -0700
"Jonathan Revusky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "James A. Robertson" wrote:
> >
> > Peter van der Linden wrote:
> > >
> > > James A. Robertson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >You haven't mentioned the main reason I stopped arguing - Mr. Revusky
is
> > > >tiresome. He has one mode (non listening attack), and I got real
tired
> > > >of that real fast.
> > >
> > > It is pretty clear to most people that the real reason you
> > > won't debate the matter is that you do not have the intellectual
> > > depth behind your "gut feelings".
> >
> > Hmm - yet another brilliant response. I can add you to my personal list
> > of tiresome people.
>
> Yeah, I hear ya. People who say what they think honestly and
> forthrightly really can be tiresome, can't they?
The two are not mutually exclusive. Especially as you can say what you think
honestly and forthrightly and still be wrong.
Simon
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From: Marty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Off-topic Idiots (Was Bush v. Gore on taxes)
Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 22:47:30 GMT
"David T. Johnson" wrote:
>
> Marty wrote:
> >
> > "David T. Johnson" wrote:
> > >
> > > Marty wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "David T. Johnson" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > People who post on this thread are posting about subjects that have
> > > > > nothing to do with the newsgroups to which they are posting. They are
> > > > > polluting these newsgroups with posts based on topics that belong in
> > > > > other newsgroups. The posters are apparently unable to identify the
> > > > > appropriate newsgroups and I therefore bestow upon them the title of
> > > > >
> > > > > OFF-TOPIC IDIOTS!
> > > > >
> > > > > Congratulations to all of you.
> > > >
> > > > He's not only the club President, he's also a member!
> > >
> > > Your typical garbled, illogical, nonsensical comment.
> > > Maybe you should do some work on that "Grad School in Texas" thread.
> >
> > Reading comprehension problems? How ironic, given you grammatically incorrect
> > statements.
>
> Your 'given you grammatically incorrect statements' is itself
> grammatically incorrect which is even more ironic.
Glad you can recognize hypocrisy in others. It's a step in the right
direction. Now if you could change for focus to point in your own
direction...
> But what should anyone expect from someone whose thoughts are so poorly
> formed that he writes illogical, nonsense sentences about club presidents
> who are also members?
Never seen a "Hair Club For Men" commercial, eh?
> > Meanwhile, I see you're still hypocritically contributing to off-topic
> > threads. No surprise there.
>
> Unlike you, I have pointed out that the thread in question does not
> belong in the newsgroups in which it is being posted.
... which itself doesn't belong in this newsgroup.
Were you also pointing out that a thread doesn't belong when you said:
"Probably Wenham will be hugely impressed by the capabilities of this OS/2
software and will soon post here with his new enthusiasm. Heh, heh."
Or how about when you started off the "Wenham Advice" thread?
You're a mime and a liar, not to mention a hypocrite.
> No surprise that understanding eludes you on this point.
The lack of understanding is entirely your own, troll.
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From: Richard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?)
Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 23:04:11 GMT
Roberto Alsina wrote:
> El mar, 03 oct 2000, Richard escribi�:
> >So do you now claim that talking about the behaviour of molecules is
> >meaningless since it always reduces down to atoms? That's your position
> >with respect to corporations.
>
> I don't say that the behaviour of corporations is meaningless. Yet again, you
> claim I do.
So do corporations think or do they not?
And if you say they don't then what words would you use to describe
corporations?
> >> What is foolish is applying the wrong tool to the task. Just like the gas has
> >> no spin, the groups are not psycopaths.
> >
> >If gas has no spin, then what's a tornado?
>
> Spin in the quantum sense.
Corporations don't have dicks. That doesn't stop them from being
corporations. Not every property of objects on the subvenient level
transcends to the supervenient level. The fact that corporations
do not have snivelling noses says nothing about whether or not they
can be psychopaths.
> >Except I'm not relying on my own opinion.
>
> References, please.
I'm not going digging for you!
> >> >Joe Blow the employee is not the same as Joe Blow the person.
> >>
> >> They are the same person. Are they not?
> >
> >Joe Blow the employee is not a person at all!
>
> Joe Blow is still a person while he works. he has not lost his consciousness
> into some sort of corporate hive-mind.
Consciousness is irrelevant. He *has* lost (some of) his rights
and thus his personhood. And in any case, you're confusing Joe
Blow the employee with /the body of Joe Blow the person/.
> Employees have rights. You might like them to have more rights, but they do
> have them. And what you say is patently false. All human rights apply to people
> while they work. You can't kill them, you can't torture them, you can't coherce
> their religion, and so forth.
This is bullshit.
And btw, there is no human right about freedom of religion, only FROM religion.
> >Then how about: cars don't move since car movement is always reducible to
> >atom movement.
>
> If the atoms of the car are moving, in average, in a certain direction, the car
> is moving.
Then by your reasoning, cars never move.
> Only if that doesn't break their fiduciary duty, I'd say. Since the corporation
> would have to provide value to the stockholders while buying back all the
> stock, the corporation would probably self-destruct.
Corporations buy back their own stock all the time. Toys 'R Us did it a
while ago and it expected to have to do it for years to come.
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From: Jonathan Revusky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: How low can they go...?
Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 22:57:39 +0000
Simon Cooke wrote:
>
> "Jonathan Revusky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > "James A. Robertson" wrote:
> > >
> > > Peter van der Linden wrote:
> > > >
> > > > James A. Robertson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > >You haven't mentioned the main reason I stopped arguing - Mr. Revusky
> is
> > > > >tiresome. He has one mode (non listening attack), and I got real
> tired
> > > > >of that real fast.
> > > >
> > > > It is pretty clear to most people that the real reason you
> > > > won't debate the matter is that you do not have the intellectual
> > > > depth behind your "gut feelings".
> > >
> > > Hmm - yet another brilliant response. I can add you to my personal list
> > > of tiresome people.
> >
> > Yeah, I hear ya. People who say what they think honestly and
> > forthrightly really can be tiresome, can't they?
>
> The two are not mutually exclusive. Especially as you can say what you think
> honestly and forthrightly and still be wrong.
Oh yeah, sure. A pathological liar can also tell the truth by accident.
You know, he says something that he is sure is a lie and it turns out
that the guy is actually saying something that's true despite himself!
We're all prone to error. But still, that some people are liars and some
people are truthful is an important and useful distinction, don't you
think?
So yeah, all of that could be a useful clarification about life in
general, I guess. Do you have anything further to add about this, Simon?
Jonathan Revusky
>
> Simon
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From: Richard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?)
Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 23:06:11 GMT
Roberto Alsina wrote:
> El mar, 03 oct 2000, Richard escribi�:
> >Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
> >> One of the users favourite complaints is regarding escalating system
> >> requirements. It seems that "Dick" is listening more to him self than
> >> he is the "end users". Which is hardly surprising, because I've yet to
> >> see him listen to anyone besides himself in this thread.
> >
> >I would if you or Roberto had anything worth listening to (modulo the
> >isolated exception of getting a book on language patterns -- exactly
> >what I've been missing actually).
>
> If you are not listening to what I say, what exactly are you replying to in
> all those posts? Voices in your head?
Talk to Donovan, he knows better than I do since I only agreed with him
for the sake of argument.
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From: "Colin R. Day" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why should anyone prefer Linux to Win2k on the DeskTop
Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 19:06:22 -0400
James Stutts wrote:
> "Nigel Feltham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:8r7b20$gsqu2$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >Actually, Linux isn't an operating system. Just a kernel.
> >
> >
> > On the other hand, Win2k is just an operating system but
> > most linux distro's contain operating system, Graphics package
> > (GIMP), at least 1 SQL server package (usually mysql), several
> > word processors (all better than wordpad), etc and cost less
> > than a fifth of the cost of just the win2k operating system and is
> > more stable. Nobody can say that MS operating system distro's
> > are more productive than buying a Linux distro without spending more
>
> I bet if MS tried to bundle any of these things, they'd be sued.
Sued for bundling DJGPP (Windows version of gcc), emacs, TeX,
Perl, Python, . . . ?
Sure, it was sued for bundling IE, but IE was a Microsoft product.
Colin Day
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From: Marty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Off-topic Idiots (Was Bush v. Gore on taxes)
Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 23:05:33 GMT
Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
>
> On Tue, 03 Oct 2000 13:17:24 -0400, David T. Johnson wrote:
> >
> >
> >Marty wrote:
>
> >> > > > Congratulations to all of you.
> >> > >
> >> > > He's not only the club President, he's also a member!
> >> >
> >> > Your typical garbled, illogical, nonsensical comment.
> >> > Maybe you should do some work on that "Grad School in Texas" thread.
> >>
> >> Reading comprehension problems? How ironic, given you grammatically
> >> incorrect statements.
> >
> >Your 'given you grammatically incorrect statements' is itself
> >grammatically incorrect which is even more ironic. But what should
>
> Now that's what I call a Tholen-war.
On what basis do you make this claim?
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From: "Ken Blake" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.windows98
Subject: Re: So did they ever find out what makes windows98 freeze up all the time?
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 16:08:58 -0700
"Stuart Fox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8rco18$qu8$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
spewed this
> > unto the Network:
> >
> > >I would not say I am constantly installing/uninstalling
programs. As for
> > >TSR's, they went out yonks ago - this is Windows 98, it
doesn't need DOS
> > >style TSR's anymore.
> >
> > It still needs HIMEM.SYS.
>
> No it doesn't...
Indeed it does. Windows won't boot without it.
You *don't* have to load it explicitly (unless you also load
emm386.exe), since its loading is automatic, but you do have
to load it.
--
Ken Blake
Please reply to the newsgroup.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: The return of Drestin Lack-o-facts.
Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 19:10:07 -0400
Drestin Black wrote:
>
> "." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:8r8t5t$1e70$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > In comp.os.linux.advocacy Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > "." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:8r8nv2$1e70$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >> Would you believe....Under the extreme stress of winamp, a nice
> windowed
> > >> 3d visualization and putty (ssh client), my windows 2000 machine
> > >> bluescreened on my first attempt to reply to this post.
> >
> > > No. Unless you told me you were overclocking your CPU or you had some
> > > odd hardware with poor drivers.
> >
> > My cpu is not overclocked currently (it was, I had some problems with it)
> > and is a PIII 666. I have a hercules TNT2 ultra (great card, one of 500
> > made) which is not overclocked, and im using the most recent stable
> drivers
> > from www.nvidia.com. The voltage on both processors is nominal, and
> neither
> > one ever tops off 118 degrees farenheit.
> >
> > I do not have this problem with BeOS, XFree86 4.0.1 or windows millenium,
> oddly.
> >
> I love the way abracadabra pretends he knows what any of those things means
> (one of 500 made, you believed that story?) PIII-666? How about 667 you
666.66666666666666666..... to be precise, idiot.
> yutz, no such thing as a PIII666 check Intels site if you are about to
> further embaress yourself. "voltage on BOTH processors?" Oh really? So, you
Get a grip.
> are implying you have ANY control WHATSOEVER over the voltage on your 1/500
> TNT2 card? AND only an idiot would buy a hercules ultra and not overclock
> it, THAT'S the only reason they were cool.
>
> Look, face it, you lied, again. W2K bluescreening? Not unless you've got
> faulty hardware and/or bad drivers. Otherwise - it's the fastest way to spot
> a trolling liar.
Much like your drivel
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: Marty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Off-topic Idiots (Was Bush v. Gore on taxes)
Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 23:07:08 GMT
Roberto Alsina wrote:
>
> El mar, 03 oct 2000, Donovan Rebbechi escribi�:
> >Now that's what I call a Tholen-war.
>
> Prove it if you think you can.
See what he means?
> Balderdash!
Classic pontification.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Unix rules in Redmond
Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 19:11:55 -0400
Drestin Black wrote:
>
> "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:y0bx5.3134$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:ODNw5.5040$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > > > The Mindcraft tests showed a real problem, but one that would only
> very
> > > > rarely be an issue in a production system. The test was carefully
> > > > designed to highlight a particular strength of NT relative to Linux.
> > > > It was not "rigged", in the sense that the results weren't faked, but
> > > > the thing that was tested was not chosen at random. The whole thing
> > > > was a marketing exercise, nothing more.
> > >
> > > Um... so you think that multiple-NICs are never used in a production
> > > system? Multiple-NIC load-balancing, etc?
> >
> > It is rare for that to be a better approach than using gigabit cards.
> > Actually
> > it is pretty rare for a server doing any actual work to be able to
> overload
> > a 100M card.
> >
> Actually you are wrong on both counts. YOu would be much better served
> (performance and price wise) running two 100 mb/s NICs than a single Gb NIC.
2 x 100Mb/sec < 1 Gb/sec
Hope that helps.
> I would run 4 NICs, 2 teamed pairs load balanced. But you'd have to
> understand high end networking ....
>
> You've never used RAID with REALLY big caches have you?
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Unix rules in Redmond
Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 19:12:32 -0400
Drestin Black wrote:
>
> what? WHAT? hahahahhahhhahahahahhhahahahaahhahhahhaahhhahahaahhaha
> <breath>
> hahahahhhahhahahahahahahaaahahahahahaaahahahhahahhaha
>
No you know whe he's called Dresting LACK of facts...
> "Gary Hallock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > However you want to interpret the Mindcraft tests, it is old news. Linux
> beats
> > W2K hands down now.
> >
> > Gary
> >
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: Richard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?)
Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 23:12:32 GMT
Roberto Alsina wrote:
> El mar, 03 oct 2000, Richard escribi�:
> >It makes them not count as APIs.
>
> Because you say so? Excuse me if I'm not too impressed.
Everyone working on an original OS project raise their hand.
<Richard raises his hand>
Now everyone who's designed their own API raise their hand.
<Richard raises his hand>
Everyone who's studied interfaces extensively raise their hand.
<Richard raises his hand>
Everyone who understands what Object Based Alternate Reality
means, raise their hand.
<Richard raises his hand>
> > My implying that increasing the number
> >of APIs increases the complexity of the system is a simplification that
> >generally holds because Unix/C++/Java people can't even *conceive* of
> >transparent APIs.
>
> Opinion. A pretty popular thing to have.
An "opinion" that is *widely* shared among Smalltalkers and anyone who
knows a pure OO language.
------------------------------
From: "Simon Cooke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: GPL & freedom
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 16:16:08 -0700
"Jon A. Maxwell (JAM)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8rdnqm$1af$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> |> | Nice philosophy.
> |>
> | Well, go for it! Let me know how you do and I'll consider doing it
> | myself.
> |
> | If, however, you find that the honest are outweighed by the greedy
> | and dishonest 10:1, then don't cry. After all, you *told* us so.
>
> There's no honesty or dishonesty involved in this model. I'd wager
> that you are against it in part because it would mean Microsoft would
> make money on continuous improvements instead of monopoly.
Uh... given that this is how I believe they make money *now* (ie. on
continous improvements), I don't see the relevance of your statement?
Also, why would Microsoft's business model affect me one way or another?
The reason I'm against it is because:
(a) It takes work, blood, sweat, tears,time and effort to create
intellectual property. It's a part of your life that you can never get back.
(b) therefore, creating the property means that you deserve to be able to
seek compensation for doing so.
Your scheme would appear to mean that I can spend 5 years writing a book,
which I can't sell, regardless of how compelling a story it is, how much
effort it took to write. I have to make all my money off speaking
engagements.
In which case -- why would I write the book in the first place, when I can
be a short-order cook instead and put bread on the table?
Simon
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?)
Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 19:23:57 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On a repost, I saw the following point:
Said Richard in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
>Roberto Alsina wrote:
[...]
>> >Words denote concepts and many concepts are not defined in terms
>> >of other concepts. The concept "blue" is an abstraction of the PERCEPT
>> >blue. Same with any other sensory concept. Abstract set theoretic
>> >concepts are merely further abstractions of the resulting concepts.
>>
>> The color blue can be fairly precisely defined in electromagnetic terms.
>
>Talking out of your ass again. In fact, the colour blue *cannot* be
>precisely defined in electromagnetic terms. Sensory perceptions do
>not have precise analogues in the physical realm. There is no linear
>transformation between the physical colour map and the perceptual
>colour map.
Sensory perception exist in the physical realm. I would think you are
young enough to be aware of the tremendous amount of work which has gone
on in neurobiology in the last few years, Richard, but perhaps you were
concentrating too much on applying post-modern views to mathematics and
philosophy to pick it up as part of your education. Science does not
yet know precisely *how* sensory perceptions work, in electromagentic
terms, but that they do exist and can be entirely and completely
explained, in a non-metaphorical way, in the physical realm.
What you were no doubt referring to was the fact that there is a
philosophical gap between what can be empirically understood about
physical processes and what is subjectively considered 'experience'.
But then, a two hundred years ago, there was a philosophical gap between
sensory perception and why the moon didn't fall out of the sky.
--
T. Max Devlin
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