Linux-Advocacy Digest #450, Volume #28 Thu, 17 Aug 00 09:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: Notebook/Windows rebate? (Ray Chason)
Re: Windows has made me stupid !!! Thanks, Bill. (Windows is worst than (Glitch)
Re: Maximum Linux (Bruce Scott TOK)
Re: MSN Drops Newsgroup Support (Bruce Scott TOK)
Re: "pure" Linux?? (Bruce Scott TOK)
Re: WA - UNIX System Admin - Wanted (Bruce Scott TOK)
Re: R.E. Ballard says Linux growth stagnating (Bruce Scott TOK)
Re: C# is a copy of java (Donal K. Fellows)
Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome! (Lee Hollaar)
Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome! (Lee Hollaar)
Re: Anti-Human Libertarians Oppose Microsoft Antitrust Action (was:
Microsoft Ruling Too Harsh (Andrew J. Brehm)
Re: Is the GDI-in-kernel-mode thing really so bad?... (was Re: ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: It's official, Microsoft� porting applications to Linux (Mark S. Bilk)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? ("JS/PL")
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (rj friedman)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (rj friedman)
Re: Fragmentation of Linux Community? Yeah, right! (Mark S. Bilk)
Re: Am I the only one that finds this just a little scary? (Perry Pip)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? ("JS/PL")
Re: I'm out of here. Best wishes to all of you! (Perry Pip)
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From: Ray Chason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.systems,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.misc,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.portable
Subject: Re: Notebook/Windows rebate?
Date: 17 Aug 2000 07:53:26 GMT
"Colin R. Day" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>But isn't an OEM of Windows bound to the computer? Selling the
>OS separately in private may be a good idea, but doing it publicly
>over the net is exposing your butt to the wrath of Microsoft.
A German court recently ruled that this was legal. That, of course, is
only of help if you live in Germany.
http://www.infoworld.com/articles/hn/xml/00/07/07/000707hnunbundle.xml
--
--------------===============<[ Ray Chason ]>===============--------------
PGP public key at http://www.smart.net/~rchason/pubkey.asc
People should respect the law, and the law should respect people.
Delenda est Windoze
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Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 05:17:44 -0400
From: Glitch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows has made me stupid !!! Thanks, Bill. (Windows is worst than
> >
> I think it's fine. Someday, Computer will like Tv todays, We don't need
> to know what's in it, it's just a tool. On the other hand, nobody can
Even Tv's have repairmen though.
> know it totally because it's made by hundreds of engineers.
> --
> All Get Paid Online--#1 Resource for get paid online!
> http://www.all-get-paid-online.com
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bruce Scott TOK)
Subject: Re: Maximum Linux
Date: 4 Aug 2000 15:45:28 +0200
In article <8md755$jei$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>The reason people (including me) keep saying "X Windows" even
>though it is "wrong" is because it's faster and rolls off the
>tounge better. It's not my fault that the makers of X failed
>to make the official names handy to pronounce. Sure, I could
>say "X" but that's a bit too generic and sounds like I'm trying
>to be generic on purpose when I say it (like calling it "foo").
>"X11" isn't well known enough to be a good name for it either.
>
>Don't get me wrong, I like this, err, thingy. I just really
>hate the names I have to choose from to describe it.
Why does "X Windows" roll off the tongue any easier than "X"?
--
cu,
Bruce
drift wave turbulence: http://www.rzg.mpg.de/~bds/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bruce Scott TOK)
Subject: Re: MSN Drops Newsgroup Support
Date: 7 Aug 2000 20:55:00 +0200
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Ed Cogburn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Bruce Scott TOK wrote:
>>
>> In article <8lsbk2$mgb$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >Dealing with those pesky Internet standards the Microsoft way. Hmmm...
>> >I wonder if MSN will offer a Linux advocacy message board?
>> >
>> >http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1005-200-1555559.html?tag=st.ne.ni.rnbot.rn.
>> >ni
>>
>> They tried to give convenience as the reason, but there is no
>> competition for a newsgroup in an xterm with a keystroke-based interface
>> for convenience and speed, especially in large traffic situations where
>> you have to sift.
>>
>> With web based things you have to point, click, and then _wait_ for each
>> message (sometimes each piece of a message) to download. And when they
>> have ads that auto-reload, caching becomes irrelevant.
>>
>> I find slashdot unreadable for this reason, for example.
>
>
> Slashdot is bearable if you use Junkbuster to suppress the ads.
May be true (I didn't think of that), but is it as fast and convenient
as trn or tin on a newsgroup?
--
cu,
Bruce
drift wave turbulence: http://www.rzg.mpg.de/~bds/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bruce Scott TOK)
Subject: Re: "pure" Linux??
Date: 7 Aug 2000 21:27:18 +0200
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Danny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>What is "pure"? My "pure" Linux might be different than yours once we both
>finish our own seperate custom installations. Basically, what I'd be doing
>is inventing the "Danny" flavor of Linux.
An admirable goal, recommended for anyone who has time to piece it
together. In 1994/5 I had time but not now, sadly.
What you used to do was to get the kernel and the the binary utilities
(binutils, the basic GNU stuff) from one of the archive sites
(sunsite.unc.edu used to be the place to do this), and then build in the
other stuff yourself, mainly from tarballs (the *.tgz files). All of
the net stuff used to be in a single tarball, and then some of the major
utilities (like Emacs), in one tarball each, and then some major
packages (like TeX), in several tarballs. Games went in too, clearly.
Bigger games like backgammon with a good endgame were large tarballs.
I got tiny X, also from a single tarball, for use in 4MB RAM and 80 MB
disk space. Those were the days!
A good place to start might be the slackware website
(www.slackware.com), and go through the list of what is in their
packages. Then, simply download what you need piece by piece.
Also, read the Linux File System Standard (this should be a conventional
HOWTO by now) before you start sticking things around...
Have fun!
--
cu,
Bruce
drift wave turbulence: http://www.rzg.mpg.de/~bds/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bruce Scott TOK)
Subject: Re: WA - UNIX System Admin - Wanted
Date: 8 Aug 2000 13:00:22 +0200
In article <8mnskf$4ju$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I just added these clueless morons to my weekly picks at...
>
> http://www.fuckedcompany.com
>
>They're certainly going to be worth points. Soon.
Can you enlighten The Clueless?
--
cu,
Bruce
drift wave turbulence: http://www.rzg.mpg.de/~bds/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bruce Scott TOK)
Subject: Re: R.E. Ballard says Linux growth stagnating
Date: 8 Aug 2000 13:20:40 +0200
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>The Democrats want to act like your mommy.
>The Republicans want to act like your daddy.
>
>The Libertarians want to treat you as a responsible adult.
>
>
> Vote LIBERTARIAN!
Sorry but that's just de facto social darwinism... if you think we're
money corrupt now wait until all regulation except contractual law and
legal precedence and lawsuits are the only recourse to justice, let
alone less tangible things such as environmental protection. It's all
just 18th Century wishful thinking, and until they have a real answer to
the Tragedy of the Commons it will stay that way.
Back to the topic: if Linux's growth rate has slowed it is surely due to
some sort of maturity. With numbers in the tens of millions, you cannot
expect the growth rate to be what it was back in the old days when there
were only a few tens of thousands.
The other reason is that Linux is now growing into the more difficult
turf represented by IT managers and other bosses who are (1) resistant
to any change their name can be put upon and (2) beholden to whoever
pets them in a pecuniary way. Linux is also growing into a less well
trained population than it grew through even just a couple of years
ago.
--
cu,
Bruce
drift wave turbulence: http://www.rzg.mpg.de/~bds/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donal K. Fellows)
Subject: Re: C# is a copy of java
Date: 17 Aug 2000 10:20:34 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donal K. Fellows) writes:
>> (Anyone got a good URL so I can finally get to grips with the
>> algorithm behind this concept?)
> http://www.cs.ukc.ac.uk/people/staff/rej/gcbook/gcbook.html
Cheers!
[...]
> Databases are fun when the work is exploratory and dull when it is
> repetitious. Most database jobs are of the latter sort, but the
> former kind involve a lot of interesting barbs with fundamental CS
> concepts; they are intriguing.
Speak for yourself; some of the description logic stuff they use in
database construction and query optimisation is interesting, but the
rest bores me silly. Like I said, I'm not a database guy...
Donal.
--
Donal K. Fellows http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~fellowsd/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-- Actually, come to think of it, I don't think your opponent, your audience,
or the metropolitan Tokyo area would be in much better shape.
-- Jeff Huo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lee Hollaar)
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome!
Date: 17 Aug 2000 11:33:34 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>Let me repeat that, because Vault v. Quaid may well be an important
>issue in future discussions: Quaid was found not to infringe because
>Vault demanded licensing agreements which were overreaching.
>[Michael Liberman, Comment, Overreaching Provisions in Software License
>Agreements, 1 RICH. J.L. & TECH. 4 � 36 (1995)
><http://www.richmond.edu/jolt/v1i1/liberman.html>.]
The generally-accepted interpretation of _Vault v. Quaid_ is that the
court struck down the shrinkwrap license, and the Lousiana state law
that recognized such contracts, because it was substituting contract
terms for copyright protection, and Congress in the copyright act had
explicitly preempted any state protection equivalent to copyright.
But people can read it themselves to see what it actually says.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lee Hollaar)
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome!
Date: 17 Aug 2000 11:36:40 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Isaac) writes:
>On 17 Aug 2000 03:53:36 GMT, Lee Hollaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>Generally, when somebody disassembles a computer program, they make
>>printouts so they can study it. I think the court was recognizing
>>that as part of the disassembly. And "making printouts and photocopies"
>>is not always a violation of copyright law. Otherwise, the court would
>>have found for Sega on that ground alone.
>>
>I think the court's position was that copyright could not protect
>functionality (the way patent law might). Thus if the only way to
>analyze or reverse engineer the software to get at those unprotectable
>elements required making copies of disassembled code, then such
>copying had to be allowed.
Right. Even if that copying requires the disassembly of the whole program,
normally something that goes against finding fair use, because there is no
other way to find the unprotected functionality in the protected expression.
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Crossposted-To:
misc.legal,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.libertarian
Subject: Re: Anti-Human Libertarians Oppose Microsoft Antitrust Action (was:
Microsoft Ruling Too Harsh
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrew J. Brehm)
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 14:06:32 +0200
D. Spider <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >I do _not_ agree than an unalienable right can be forfeited.
> >
> >If rights must not be violated, they can also not be forfeited.
> >Otherwise the right is worth nothing.
>
> So you are an absolute pacifist?
>
Not really.
But I would not believe I had a right to kill somebody under any
circumstances.
--
Fan of Woody Allen
PowerPC User
Supporter of Pepperoni Pizza
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Is the GDI-in-kernel-mode thing really so bad?... (was Re:
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 08:09:18 -0400
Christopher Smith wrote:
>
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:8nfnpv$nnc$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > Christopher Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:8ne766$vvm$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > > > It was also supposed to support
> > > > multiple logins like unix does.
> > >
> > > It does and always has.
> > >
> > > Or are we going to get the "doesn't ship with a telnet server" argument
> > > again ?
> >
> > What about terminals connected through serial ports? Does it support that
> > out of the box as the prerelease papers stated?
>
> Is there any existing documentation of supporting that, actually close to
> release ?
>
> > > > Rememer, NT was going to be the better unix than unix.
> > >
> > > No, it wasn't. It was meant to replace Novell, not Unix (something at
> > which
> > > it has done exceedingly well - now Microsoft have decided to take aim on
> > > Unix).
> >
> > That was the slogan on the banners at a Windows software development
> seminar
> > being host by Microsoft prior the the public release of NT.
>
> Funny how pretty much everyone else remembers it as an off the cuff remark
> by Gates....
>
> > Don't you mean
> > to take aim on Unix again?
>
> NT was originally supposed to replace Novell. Why would Microsoft have even
> cared about the Unix market way back then ?
5 years ago, Gates said that the NT4.0 would be "a better Unix than
Unix."
So, it's quit obvious that Gates cared VERY MUCH about Unix back then.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
J: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 08:10:17 -0400
Christopher Smith wrote:
>
> "Joseph" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > On Wed, 16 Aug 2000, Christopher Smith wrote:
> > >"rj friedman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >> On Tue, 8 Aug 2000 15:04:02 "Christopher Smith"
> > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> �...since I disgree with the law in principle and consider
> > >> �most of the evidence to be irrelevant, it's hardly surprising I have a
> > >> �different opinion to you, no ?
> > >>
> > >> The United States of America - and the European Common
> > >> Market - and China - and Japan - and India - all say that
> > >> your 'different opinion' is full of shit.
> > >
> > >You mean, their legal systems. I sincerely doubt everyone in those
> > >countries agrees on that point.
> >
> > Duh.
> >
> > >I fear I've been too subtle in trying to say arguments along the line of
> > >"but they broke the law" don't carry too much weight with me.
> >
> > Then let me be clear - your opinion has NO weight. why? You don't like
> the
> > laws and you ignore the principles on which we establish facts and truth.
> > Fine. Okay.
>
> If you think my opinion has no weight because I disagree with the law, then
> I can't think why you are worth discussing anything with at all.
>
> I imagine there's quite a few laws (and/or convictions) you have disgreed
> with over time - did your opinion carry no weight then ?
>
> > It is very important to understand how extreme and unreasonable one has to
> be
> > to hold your pro MS beliefs.
>
> You mistake "not anti-MS beliefs" with "pro MS beliefs". Microsoft are just
> another company, no worse, better or different to IBM, Apple, Corel etc etc.
> They're all after the same thing.
Wrong.
M$ is a racketeering organization.
IBM *was* one at one time.
Apple and Corel have NEVER been racketeers.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
J: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark S. Bilk)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: It's official, Microsoft� porting applications to Linux
Date: 17 Aug 2000 12:24:53 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Milton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In a desperate attempt, to regain some legitimacy in the high-tech
>software arena, Microsoft� is letting a an experienced 3rd party,
>Mainsoft, port it's applications to the state of the art operating
>system, Linux.
>
>The results, so far, have been disappointing.
>
>Brought to you by Windows 2000 Magazine
>http://www.wininformant.com/display.asp?ID=2874
>
>:)
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From: "JS/PL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 08:24:21 -0400
Reply-To: "JS/PL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
"Joseph" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Wed, 16 Aug 2000, JS/PL wrote:
> >"rj friedman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> On Tue, 8 Aug 2000 15:04:02 "Christopher Smith"
> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >> �...since I disgree with the law in principle and consider
> >> �most of the evidence to be irrelevant, it's hardly surprising I have a
> >> �different opinion to you, no ?
> >>
> >>
> >> The United States of America - and the European Common
> >> Market - and China - and Japan - and India - all say that
> >> your 'different opinion' is full of shit.
> >>
> >> Face reality sonny boy. It is not a case of the whole world
> >> being wrong and you being right. Stick your head in the sand
> >> and pretend all you want - but deep in your heart you have
> >> to face the fact that you are 100% full of shit.
> >
> >How the hell would China know? There's not a legal copy of software
> >TO_BE_FOUND_ANYWHERE in China. They are the software pirate kings of the
> >Earth, not to mention the being among the worst human rights violators.
>
> I think all their LINUX copies are legal.
I wasn't referring to coasters, I'm talking *installed* software.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (rj friedman)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: 17 Aug 2000 12:28:14 GMT
On Wed, 16 Aug 2000 15:53:28 Chris Wenham
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
� > Face reality sonny boy. It is not a case of the whole world
� > being wrong and you being right. Stick your head in the sand
� > and pretend all you want - but deep in your heart you have
� > to face the fact that you are 100% full of shit.
� And why are you so full of coprolalia?
Full of what?
� Just debate the facts, man...
What facts are there to debate. The United States of America
has spoken - MS has been proven guilty. The European Union,
China, Japan, and India have all opened investigations of
their own.
Sonny boy - for whatever ulterior motives he is coming
from/with - can try to say that he doesn't like the law so
therefore MS isn't guilty of anything. But half the world
has told him that he is full of shit. And all his pro-MS
posturing aside, deep down in his heart he KNOWS he is full
of shit.
� Jeez. If he's wrong then it ought to be
� easy.
IF??? Please tell me that you are not going to pretend that
MS WASN'T found guilty.
________________________________________________________
[RJ] OS/2 - Live it, or live with it.
rj friedman Team ABW
Taipei, Taiwan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To send email - remove the `yyy'
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (rj friedman)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: 17 Aug 2000 12:37:11 GMT
On Wed, 16 Aug 2000 17:10:17 "Christopher Smith"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
�> �...since I disgree with the law in principle and consider
�> �most of the evidence to be irrelevant, it's hardly surprising I have a
�> �different opinion to you, no ?
�> The United States of America - and the European Common
�> Market - and China - and Japan - and India - all say that
�> your 'different opinion' is full of shit.
�You mean, their legal systems. I sincerely doubt everyone in those
�countries agrees on that point.
The case before the courts was between the United States of
America and MS. The United States of America won - live with
it.
�I fear I've been too subtle in trying to say arguments along the line of
�"but they broke the law" don't carry too much weight with me.
You haven't been too subtle - you have been downright
stupid. The law is the law and when you break the law and
get convicted of breaking the law you get punished. Live
with it.
�> Face reality sonny boy. It is not a case of the whole world
�> being wrong and you being right.
�Indeed, there are a lot of people who agree with me.
Too bad for all of you. In a democracy not everybody likes
every law - but they still have to abide by them - like it
or not. MS broke the law; they got caught; the United States
of America took them to court; the United Statesa of America
proved they were guilty. Whether or not *you* like the law
has nothing to do with it. Live with it.
________________________________________________________
[RJ] OS/2 - Live it, or live with it.
rj friedman Team ABW
Taipei, Taiwan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To send email - remove the `yyy'
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark S. Bilk)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Fragmentation of Linux Community? Yeah, right!
Date: 17 Aug 2000 12:48:02 GMT
In article <tTMm5.6288$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>The KDE people do not seem to be taking this lying down. There is probably
>going to be an all-out war soon. The days of peaceful cooperation between
>KDE and GNOME are probably over.
Erik Funkenbusch has a long history as a pro-Microsoft
anti-Linux propagandist.
A KDE programmer at the LinuxWorld Expo told me that the
two groups certainly are cooperating, e.g., to insure that
the apps of each desktop system will run on the other.
This even includes writing wrappers for each other's
component facilities (that allow, for example, a live
spreadsheet to be embedded in a wordprocessor document).
So a Gnome spreadsheet can be part of a KDE document, or
vice versa.
>"Truckasaurus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:8ng3jn$vif$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> So, to all you Windows advocates, who have claimed that the Linux/Open
>> Source communities will fragment and drown in quarrelling:
>>
>> http://www.computerworld.com/cwi/story/0,1199,NAV47_STO48629,00.html:
>>
>> "Unix vendors adopt Gnome desktop
>>
>> By DOMINIQUE DECKMYN
>> (August 16, 2000) Desktop Linux gained momentum on the first day of
>> LinuxWorld in San Jose, as vendors including Red Hat Inc., Hewlett-
>> Packard Co., IBM, Compaq Computer Corp., Sun Microsystems Inc. and VA
>> Linux Systems Inc. joined to form the Gnome Foundation."
>>
>> Not only is Gnome manifesting itself as a popular Desktop environment
>> in Linux - Gnome seems to bind different UNIX vendors together, where
>> we all know that the (commercial) UNIX commuity is traditionally a
>> fragmented one.
>>
>> In your face, Windows advocates! Linux fragmentation my butt!
>>
>> --
>> "Hello, everybody!"
>> - Doctor Nick
>> Martin A. Boegelund.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Perry Pip)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Am I the only one that finds this just a little scary?
Date: 17 Aug 2000 12:50:03 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 16 Aug 2000 22:57:34 GMT,
Anthony D. Tribelli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>None of those problems have been described, and you merely quote the early
>speculation.
Redman is not speculating. He is speaking of incidents that had
already occured in the past. Specifically he says that NT has been
responsible for numerous software and systems failures.
>The boring thing
>that would not get press attention would be that the error was not in
>WinNT but in custom applications written for the Navy by a "no-name"
>subcontractor.
>
No the boring thing is showing that NT was not responsible for one
specific incedent when it was responsible for numerous other
incidents.
The only other boring thing is watching watching a troll on usenet
blatently deny the truth. If you had any real experience using NT in
demanding environments you would know what Redman meant when he said
NT has never been fully refined, and you wouldn't have any trouble at
all beleiving him.
Perry
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From: "JS/PL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 08:47:47 -0400
Reply-To: "JS/PL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
"Joseph" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> Then let me be clear - your opinion has NO weight. why? You don't like
the
> laws and you ignore the principles on which we establish facts and truth.
> Fine. Okay.
It is this very questioning of authority which founded the United States,
and it is his very attitude which makes him a (more) solid American.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Perry Pip)
Subject: Re: I'm out of here. Best wishes to all of you!
Date: 17 Aug 2000 12:50:24 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thu, 17 Aug 2000 01:27:12 GMT,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>I wish all of the fine people in COLA well, both Linvocates and
>Winvocates and hope to see all of us running a better OS in the future
>than we are running now.
>
Well good luck Steve...er..a..I mean Claire.
I sure hope you find some good help in dealing with this multiple
personality problem. Cases like yours are extremely rare. I read the
book "Sybil", and she only had 16 personalities. You more than double
that record. Just think, some day you could have your own book, and a
movie, about your story too. You'll be rich:-)
>P.S. And the joke is............... I REALLY AM FEMALE!!!!! Always
>have been, always will be. I have been happily married for 15 years
>with 3 kids.
Wow, that must be a real challenge for your kids...getting to know all
of Mom's personalities.
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