Linux-Advocacy Digest #495, Volume #28 Sat, 19 Aug 00 00:13:08 EDT
Contents:
Re: No win situation for Linux market (Adam Shapira)
When it's time to not be nice... (was Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic
Linvocates - Re: R.E. Ballard says Linux growth stagnating) (Stephen
S. Edwards II)
Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E. Ballard
says Linux growth stagnating (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E. Ballard
says Linux growth stagnating (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Is the GDI-in-kernel-mode thing really so bad?... (was Re: Anonymous Windtrolls
and Authentic Linvocates) ("Christopher Smith")
Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E. Ballard
says Linux growth stagnating (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E. Ballard says Linux
growth stagnating ("Christopher Smith")
Re: BASIC == Beginners language (Was: Just curious.... (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Is the GDI-in-kernel-mode thing really so bad?... (was Re: Anonymous
Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates) (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Linux Column (Laura Goodwin)
Re: Decent Linux CDR software wanted. (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Decent Linux CDR software wanted. (T. Max Devlin)
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Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 22:58:09 -0400
From: Adam Shapira <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: No win situation for Linux market
Pete Goodwin wrote:
> "'Chicken and egg' prevents user and industry commitment
>
> THE Linux market is trapped in a chicken (or perhaps penguin)-and-egg
> situation, as suppliers wait for users to show serious interest in Linux-
> based enterprise applications and users wait for suppliers to produce the
> goods, writes John Leyden. According to analyst IDC, Linux users in Western
> Europe are seeing the value of buying into the web server and networking
> offerings of the open-source software but few are planning more complex
> solutions which would generate revenue for vendors. 'Users are attracted to
> Linux for its cost effectiveness and rnalicability for specific- purpose
> devices, both for client and server. However, the lack of available
> applica- tions and perceived lack of service and support offerings are
> major inhibitors to this market's growth; noted Kirsten Ludvigsen, Unix
> research director for IDC Ludvigsen said the industry is waiting for user
> demand to pick up before it develops enterprise applications and commits to
> the Linux environment. This, she argues, has lead to a 'chicken-and-egg
> situation in which the Linux industry may suffer from a lack of sufficient
> funding to continue developing future products. IDC also predicts that the
> major areas of deployment of Linux will be in the enibedded or appliance
> space for both clients and servers until 2004. 'Clients will have many
> forms and shapes, and we believe smart handheld devices and cable TV
> devices will be the major areas of growth for Linux in Western Europe,'
> said Ludvigsen."
That's exactly why I think hackers and others as
well need to switch from the Free Software philosophy
to the Free Systems philosophy. We need to write more
shared-libraries to implement more advanced APIs for
the GNU/Linux OS. That's the only way to solve this
Pengin-and-Egg situation.
Let me explain how this works:
1> More shared-libraries implement higher-level
APIs for the Linux OS, making it easier and
less costly to write Linux applications.
2> Vendors compare the marked for Linux apps to
the cost of producing Linux apps. If it
becomes easier to write Linux apps, then Linux
will score higher in this cost-benefit analysis.
Therefore, more Linux apps will be produced.
3> With more Linux apps available, more people
will want to use Linux, thereby increasing
the Linux customer base.
4> With a greater Linux customer base, hardware
manufacturers will have greater incentive to
make sure that their hardware works with
Linux.
Note that the Free Systems philosophy does not
reject or shoot-down the making of Free-Software
apps. It simply states that we need to set
priorities ... and states that it is more
important to have a Free Open Source Operating
System (and to have it triumph over proprietary
alternatives) than to have one or two more Free
Open Source Applications.
Also, the Free Systems philosophy is a bit less
judgemental towards those of us who are not
as lucky as Richard Stallman, and can't pay
their bills writing *only* Free Software.
(And believe me, I tried to make money writing
Free Software until I got plain *tired* of
living with my parents.) It suggests to
programmers like myself that if they *have*
to write *some* proprietary software, yet
*want* to write *some* Free Software, to put
the Proprietar Software in their high-end
applications, and to put their Free Software
towards the goal of improving the GNU/Linux
OS.
More can be learned about the Free Systems
philosophy at:
http://www.vic.com/~vorlon/freeos/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stephen S. Edwards II)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: When it's time to not be nice... (was Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic
Linvocates - Re: R.E. Ballard says Linux growth stagnating)
Date: 19 Aug 2000 03:02:52 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi) wrote in
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>On Fri, 18 Aug 2000 12:51:43 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>>> > He seems to
>>> > discount the concerns of the very user base that have assisted
>>> > building
>>OS
>>> > into a platform that makes his project possible.
>>>
>>> Nonsense. If you feel a need to throw an ad hominem at me,
>>> I'm game, but be specific, or go fuck yourself.
>>
>>Thank you, you have proven my point for me in this issue.
>
>Bullshit. The fact that he doesn't care for your attacks doesn't mean
>that he doesn't listen to users. The claim that he "discounts the
>concerns" of the user base is simply false. I suggest you apologise.
Even if Roberto did behave in such a way, Donovan,
I wouldn't blame him for doing so.
I'm not trying to wave meat in front of the lions
here, but I feel that I should say something.
mcjr, I think that in order for you to establish
that Roberto has behaved the way you described,
you need to post undeniable proof. As I've said
before, here in COMNA, if you don't have hard
evidence of your claims, they are written off
as rumor and/or baloney.
However, _IF_ Roberto has had a history of not
treating certain Linux users with tact and kindness,
I cannot say that I would fault him for that either.
I think that it's rather silly that so many users
of OSS think that the developers should be more
kindly to people who demand certain things, and
do so in a very unappreciative way.
I never was a Linux developer, but I was a pretty
enthusiastic contributor on IRC.
When I was a channel operator for EFNet #Linux, we
were always having to kickban people for all sorts
of rudeness. Many people would hop onto the channel,
CTCP ping the channel, CTCP version several of us,
and then _demand_ help from us.[0]
Then, if we either were unable to help them, or if
we were not prompt enough in responding to their
questions, their responses were often much like,
"well then fuck you all! You fucking asshole UNIX
geeks can blow me, bastard biatches!"
I know for a fact that many Linux developers have
run into this same sort of attitude. It's as if
many people think that the Linux developers are
obligated to serve them, or something. And it
is very frustrating, and very infuriating... the
ingratitude of it all.
When someone is kissing your ass, you don't complain
to them that their lips are chapped.
I specifically recall conversing with some young lady[1]
*COUGH!*BITCH*COUGH!* about setting up PPP under Linux.
I spent a good hour helping her to set up her /etc/ppp
files, and I even took time out to dig up all sorts
of articles and I even found Eric S. Raymond's handy
10-minute guide to setting up PPP under Linux.
After she was done with me, she just left the channel.
No "gee, thanks Rackmount! I really appreciate your
taking the time out to help me out!"... nothing.
Nada. Zip.
_THEN_... the bitch had the nerve to come _BACK_ into
the channel, and do you know what she said to me...
"Fuck it didn't work! You need to help me."
To which I responded with:
"I'm sorry, but there is nothing more that
I can do. If you are still having problems,
you should consult the Linux PPP FAQ and
those other docs I pointed you to. Just
be patient... you'll get it working. :-)"
To which she responded with:
"bite me, dickhead."
To which I responded with:
* [somedumbbitch] has been kicked off of channel
#Linux by Rackmount (DO NOT unban this ungrateful
little bitch under ANY circumstances!@#)
I have many such stories, but I won't bore you with
more of the same stuff... the above sufficiently
epitomizes them.
So, mcjr, while I find you to be a most interesting
person to debate with, and an equally mild-mannered
advocate, I hope this helps you to understand why
many developers aren't exactly eager to extend a
friendly hand to the Linux userbase in general.
[0] Before FAQs (the bot that was developed by one
of the channel's founders which managed the
channel for us) was set up to automatically
kickban for CTCP channel pings, and versioning,
we basically had to catch them doing it.
[1] It was an assumption, but a sound one, as she
mentioned that her husband uses Windows, which
she hates.
--
.-----.
|[_] | Stephen S. Edwards II | http://www.primenet.com/~rakmount/
| = :| -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
| -| "You are a waste of space; a disgrace to your profession;
| | both the one you claim and the kindergarten student you
|_..._| act like..." -- Robert Moir to Aaron R. Kulkis in COMNA
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E. Ballard
says Linux growth stagnating
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 23:05:04 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
>T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
>> It seems to be the central issue, I think. If it is simply a matter of
>> one Usenet poster showing or failing to show respect for another Usenet
>> poster, I'd suggest it has nothing to do with the Linux community.
>> Though I must admit that Usenet is a much stronger part of the Linux
>> community than most other communities.
>
>It is more so a problem when the person showing a lack of basic respect for
>the long time users of Linux is a member of a official development team of a
>well know project like Roberto is for the KDE development team. He seems to
>discount the concerns of the very user base that have assisted building OS
>into a platform that makes his project possible.
Screw KDE. Its a commercial development project. They're trying to
leverage free software for their own private gain; GNOME rules. Any
ideas KDE can come up with, GNOME can replicate. That's not FUD, that's
the god's honest truth.
The only thing they have is the talent of their programmers. I refuse
to impugn Roberto's programming capability due to his opinion. He isn't
working for a big commercial software developer, maybe, but that just
means he's an amateur whore.
Now, I have to point out that I don't have anything against whores. I
think anybody should be free to do what they think is ethical, and I
refuse to impugn Roberto's ethics because of his opinions on these
matters. He's not wrong; he's just mistaken. It seems to me that if
the investors who pay Roberto were confident in their product, they'd
admit that the only reason they'd need to keep any of their code
'commercial' is because they want to profiteer, and can't be satisfied
with simple honest profits on their production. And if Roberto were
confident enough of his coding abilities, he'd resent their insistence
that they need to restrict access to it in order to make a profit on it.
He should have more of an interest in building his intellectual capital
by maintaining ownership of is work.
Software is a unique form of intellectual property. Perhaps we've been
attacking this from the wrong end. Rather than talk about how the
product is ultimately licensed, why don't we talk about whether
Roberto's combination of both engineering design requirements and
original creative development should ever be denigrated by being
considered work-for-hire. Not even the people who "own" his work
understand it, he might well believe. Doesn't that mean he should have
some say in how its used?
Kill the proprietary library licensing and KDE will work just fine.
Keep it, and I'll give it no truck to it.
--
T. Max Devlin
-- Such is my recollection of my reconstruction
of events at the time, as I recall. Consider it.
Research assistance gladly accepted. --
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E. Ballard
says Linux growth stagnating
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 23:08:47 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said Roberto Alsina in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] escribi�:
>>
>> T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>
>> > It seems to be the central issue, I think. If it is simply a matter of
>> > one Usenet poster showing or failing to show respect for another Usenet
>> > poster, I'd suggest it has nothing to do with the Linux community.
>> > Though I must admit that Usenet is a much stronger part of the Linux
>> > community than most other communities.
>>
>> It is more so a problem when the person showing a lack of basic respect for
>> the long time users of Linux is a member of a official development team of a
>> well know project like Roberto is for the KDE development team.
>
>This is wrong in so many ways I must speak.
>I show a lack of respect for long time users of Linux?
>I lack respect for SOME of them, indeed.
>I am a member of a "official development team" in the same way anyone
>willing to spend his time coding is, so it's not too "official", really.
>
>> He seems to
>> discount the concerns of the very user base that have assisted building OS
>> into a platform that makes his project possible.
>
>Nonsense. If you feel a need to throw an ad hominem at me,
>I'm game, but be specific, or go fuck yourself.
Good for you, Roberto. You have every right to say "fuck you" to anyone
who second-guesses you.
But if you don't mind, could you accept an honest and humble plea to
re-examine, possibly, even double-check, whether your being as honorable
in your support of a project which seeks to extract profit on
potentially dubious value? Do you really think so little of your
ability to write software? Shouldn't your honest work be sufficient for
providing an honest and equitable level of profit without preventing
access to the ideas which underlay your efforts?
--
T. Max Devlin
-- Such is my recollection of my reconstruction
of events at the time, as I recall. Consider it.
Research assistance gladly accepted. --
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From: "Christopher Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Is the GDI-in-kernel-mode thing really so bad?... (was Re: Anonymous
Windtrolls and Authentic Linvocates)
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 13:22:03 +1000
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8nkihs$m62$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> John Sanders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > >
> >
> > >
> > > Which brings us to about where we are now. So I again ask: next?
> >
> > I would be interested in seeing you support your claim that explorer is
> > a window manager.
>
> As I have said before, Windows people keep talking about Windows Explorer
as
> though it were an analog for the X Windowing Systems' windows managers. I
> agree that is not accurate, but, I was giving them the benefit of the
doubt
> for the sake of this discussion.
It's the closest analog you can get, in Windows.
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E. Ballard
says Linux growth stagnating
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 23:13:25 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
>Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
>> I'm game, but be specific, or go fuck yourself.
>
>Now what did I say the earn a reply with that tone from him?
Well, you insulted his integrity, obviously. Whether it is deserved or
not is the question, and you're not making points by denying that you
believed there was reason to do so.
>That alone speaks volumes about the future of Linux, if he is a true example
>of the current developers of the big Linux projects.
No, it doesn't. And saying so repeats the ad hominem (circumstantial)
attack of which he as accused you.
http://www.intrepidsoftware.com/fallacy/attack.htm
--
T. Max Devlin
-- Such is my recollection of my reconstruction
of events at the time, as I recall. Consider it.
Research assistance gladly accepted. --
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From: "Christopher Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E. Ballard says
Linux growth stagnating
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 13:27:12 +1000
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8nk80v$v1c$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> Christopher Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:8nk3e5$tmn$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > Alpha, MIPS and PPC are "PC platforms" ? Yes, the latter two stopped
> after
> > NT4 service pack 3 and the former at Win2k Beta3, but that's a long way
> from
> > "the early days".
>
> Really? Could you please present documentation of this?
Of what ? Beta3 CDs had an alpha directory - I'm sure someone who still has
one (Drestin ?) would be happy to post a directory listing.
My bad as well - SP2 seems to have been the last supported SP for MIPS and
PPC (ftp://ftp.microsoft.com/bussys/winnt/winnt-public/fixes/usa/nt40/ussp2/
has mips and ppc dirsctories,
ftp://ftp.microsoft.com/bussys/winnt/winnt-public/fixes/usa/nt40/ussp3/ does
not).
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: BASIC == Beginners language (Was: Just curious....
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 23:18:12 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said Aaron R. Kulkis in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
>"T. Max Devlin" wrote:
[...]
>> My point isn't that it really matters much what the syntax is; it is the
>> functionality of the environment which is the important part. Shell
>> scripts simply do not have the "middleware" character which is necessary
>> for application macros. BASIC, as a language, doesn't either. But
>> BASIC is a more accessible syntax, and more broadly familiar to those
>
>Not really.
>
>To a novice user, they are equally difficult, but with the Unix shells,
>one can do more powerful things more quickly.
Well, I'll be damned. You practically nailed me, Aaron; honestly. I
have long insisted that those who know something are incapable of
remembering what it is like not to. And it may well be that if I'd
taken a six week course in shell programming rather than a six week
course in BASIC back in the mid 80s I'd not think that BASIC made more
sense to new users.
But you've left unrefuted the fact that BASIC was *designed* to be more
accessible to new users. And the recognition that software developers
here have repeatedly (and notably) forgotten that the issue is *not* to
instill "good programming habits" so that "when" someone becomes a
'real' programmer one understands how to write good code, but whether
end-users that might want to, "if" a system is easily accessible to
them, want to automate trivial desktop-level functionality on their
personal computer.
--
T. Max Devlin
-- Such is my recollection of my reconstruction
of events at the time, as I recall. Consider it.
Research assistance gladly accepted. --
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Is the GDI-in-kernel-mode thing really so bad?... (was Re: Anonymous
Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates)
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 23:19:47 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said Aaron R. Kulkis in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
>Stuart Fox wrote:
>>
>> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >
>> > No. I have a full understanding of the behavior of the individuals
>> > listed in my .sig, and how to keep their behavior under control
>> >
>> As a Unix Systems Engineer (whatever that is), you should know about
>> something called a <dr evil>"killfile"</dr evil>. Perhaps that's the best
>> way to "keep their behaviour under control", and avoid pissing off most of
>> the readers of this ng.
>
>Clue for the fucking clueless:
>
> Putting someone in a killfile doesn't prevent them from
> spreading lies about me.
If I ever start an obnoxious 'anti-troll' sig like you, Aaron, I will
definitely include this. You've made the archive at least.
Now will you please abandon the "confirmation bias" which prevents you
from realizing that your sig is not only obnoxious but useless and
meaninglessly annoying?
--
T. Max Devlin
-- Such is my recollection of my reconstruction
of events at the time, as I recall. Consider it.
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From: Laura Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux Column
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 10:49:37 -0400
Mike Chandler wrote:
>
> I'd like to invite your attention to my column "Linux universe", appearing twice
> monthly at extra.newsguy.com. It will walk the line between "newbies only" and
> "gearheads only", but with a bias toward the newer users who are the current
> majority of Linux users.
Great! I have a column idea for you. Enlighten us about BIOS and
installation config settings for Win/Lin dual boot systems. Things like
PnP and ACPI...enable or not? Should a person set HD and PCI to
"auto"? What? If you have a motherboard with onboard sound and vid,
what do you tell X-config when it asks what card? Stuff like that. :)
--
Laura Goodwin
"Pain is fleeting, glory is forever.
Remember: scars are sexy."
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Decent Linux CDR software wanted.
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 23:26:27 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said Nigel Feltham in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
>>> them unsuitable for my intended purposes. Neither of them have
>>percentage
>>> bars to show how far the image creation and writing operations have
>>> completed so far.
>>Well this is not true.
>
>
>I have now found the percentage readout in kisofs - I didn't realise the
>readout was displayed in the dialog opened on starting the burn which states
>'You may close this dialog' at the bottom, perhaps this should be made more
>clear so users expecting things to work like windows applications have more
>idea of what is going on.
BINGO! I love Usenet! :-)
[...]
>Sorry, I didn't realise gtoaster only linked and didn't actually filecopy
>as it is not obvious to a new user migrating from windows but now I know I
>will give it another try (links and real files look the same in some text
>consoles).
The really cool part is that now that you understand that (and assuming
that Andy recognizes the importance of this capability to competition
based on his code and doesn't remove the capability when he adds the
in-memory list support) you could easily write shell scripts (well,
eventually, anyway) to create such directory structures to determine
what, how, and when you want stuff burned. ;-)
[...]
>I think it is more of an understanding of operation problem now rather than
>a real problem, guess that RTFM applies in this case - I guess that like
>many windows and ex-windows users I am used to just using the software
>without bothering to read the documentation properly and this is where I got
>confused.
And so another tech support saga enfolds, in reference to another
thread, where the line between "reading the docs over the phone" and
identifying 'bugs' and describing 'features improvements' is shown as
clearly illusionary. Or should I say 'conceptual'. Is Andy's code good
enough to support third party competition on tech support? I'd say
that's the test that must now be passed concerning software in the
post-Microsoft era.
>By the way, I managed to use kisofs to do our usual weekly backup at work
>(well for 2 out of our usual 3 discs anyway as a comparision) and found that
>using this software on the computer we always use for backups (P90 with HP
>badged philips 3610 ide) the writing buffer never went below 97% throughout
>the whole writing operation for the 2 discs done on linux, yet win-on-CD
>under win95 could barely manage 20% buffer full for most of the writing
>operation. This is the reason I tried (and now succeeded) in switching to
>linux as every few weeks the buffer hit 0 with obvious disc-wasting results.
>
>I will probably use GToaster next week though now you have put me right on
>my misunderstanding.
Thanks for the testimonial, Nigel. Sorry for the earlier cut, and I'm
sure Andy will echo my sentiments.
Thanks for your time. Hope it helps.
--
T. Max Devlin
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of events at the time, as I recall. Consider it.
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Decent Linux CDR software wanted.
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 23:29:19 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said OSguy in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
>Aaron Ginn wrote:
>
>> I detest Xcdroast. Mainly because it defaults to writing the iso
>> image to a partition instead of a file. When I first started using
>> it, I overwrote my Win98 partition when I created an image. Perhaps
>> it was due to my lack of knowledge at the time, but I still feel
>> extreme animosity towards the software. This default is a dangerous
>> setting, IMO.
>
>I guess I'm lucky since Xcdroast made me look at the setup screen, and think through
>that I wanted to give it a directory to look for images instead of using a
>partition. Once I did that and set that as default, I haven't had any problems with
>it going back to partition mode.
>
>I can understand the animosity with the program after a bad experience.
>Fortunately, I have very few such experiences with Linux apps (I can count those on
>one hand), however I have a lot of animosity with that other OS and its apps.
I think that's worth reposting and re-itterating. The fact that Windows
actually sucks, despite all the "cool features", actually works against
Linux. Perhaps some of the "let's make it stupid/smart" problems that
more established users have with the newbie mind-set derives from this
kind of thing.
>> I do all my CD-burning from the command line. I have better control
>> over exactly what I want to do, and it doesn't hide anything from me.
>
>It is wonderful to be able to do this too when you don't want the GUI. I have an
>automated server that back ups a software repository on a CDRW every night using the
>commands in a backup script. Works wonderfully.
K'boom. What was a "Linux problem" becomes an illustration of
empowerment. I love it.
Thanks for your time. I'll shut up now.
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T. Max Devlin
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