Linux-Advocacy Digest #565, Volume #28 Tue, 22 Aug 00 15:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E. Ballard
says Linux growth stagnating (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E. Ballard
says Linux growth stagnating (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: When it's time to not be nice... (was Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic
Linvocates - Re: R.E. Ballard says Linux growth stagnating) (Donovan
Rebbechi)
Re: Fragmentation of Linux Community? Yeah, right!
Re: Nothing like a SECURE database, is there Bill?
Re: refrigerator using Linux? (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Fragmentation of Linux Community? Yeah, right! (Roberto Alsina)
Re: Sherman Act vaguery [was: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?] (The Ghost In The
Machine)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Linsux as a desktop platform (T. Max Devlin)
Re: GNOME/KDE issues (was: Come on, Jedi, where are you?)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (ZnU)
Re: GNOME/KDE issues (was: Come on, Jedi, where are you?) (Roberto Alsina)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E. Ballard
says Linux growth stagnating
Date: 22 Aug 2000 18:11:51 GMT
On Tue, 22 Aug 2000 09:48:26 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> > > I'm game, but be specific, or go fuck yourself.
>> >
>> > Thank you, you have proven my point for me in this issue.
>>
>> Whatever. It's a situation where anything I said would be
>> used against me, right? Fuck yourself is adequate, then.
>
>You proved the point reguarding your attitude by using what now appears to
>be your favorite vulgarity.
Quite the opposite. You quoted him out of context so that you could take
cheap shots. This type of conduct on your part explains why he doesn't
hold you in the highest regard. It certainly does not prove that he lacks
respect for "members of the Linux community" in general.
--
Donovan
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E. Ballard
says Linux growth stagnating
Date: 22 Aug 2000 18:14:19 GMT
On Tue, 22 Aug 2000 09:45:06 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> else: I HAVE been provided a OS for free, now I use it or I don't. I
>> improve it or I don't. I influence its development or I don't. And
>> that's
>> all there is.
>
>Do you mean that your developmental efforts were worthless?
No, he clearly doesn't mean this at all.
>don't *have to* pay a monetary price for it. However, through our efforts
>we have earned the Linux OS, so Linux is not a gift to the plebs as your
>statement implies.
I don't understand how his statement "implies" any such thing.
--
Donovan
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: When it's time to not be nice... (was Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and
Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E. Ballard says Linux growth stagnating)
Date: 22 Aug 2000 18:19:47 GMT
On Tue, 22 Aug 2000 09:02:52 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>Well then your have a problem there. How can you know for certain when you
>are dealing with a programmer
For practical purposes, you are dealing with a programmer when you are
dealing with someone who contributes working code to your project, or
perhaps another Linux project depending on the context.
In other words, you don't just let an outsider "redesign" your project
unless they're willing to back their designs up with code.
>I don't subscribe to you view of programmers being lords and the users being
>peasents.
Your deliberate attempts to misrepresent Roberto, who's a fairly well known
member of the community do very little for your credibility.
--
Donovan
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Fragmentation of Linux Community? Yeah, right!
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 18:24:49 GMT
On Tue, 22 Aug 2000 11:16:40 -0300, Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Ostracus escribi�:
>>
>> In article <8npd61$92c4b$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Nigel Feltham"
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[deletia]
>>
>> So the fact that QT is available for the windows platform is only useful to
>> those who purchase the professional edition. I would bet even money that most of
>> the authors of "free" software will not "pony up" the money.
>
>You can port the free edition to win32. It should not be a terribly huge
>project. My personal guess is 2 guys two weeks.
>
>> GTK is "free" on both platforms.
>
>So would Qt if someone ported it :-)
...and when you port QT to Be or Win32 or MacOS who owns the result?
There is infact a Be porting project for QT, it just can't seem
to attract any developers.
--
Finding an alternative should not be like seeking out the holy grail.
That is the whole damn point of capitalism.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: Nothing like a SECURE database, is there Bill?
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 18:27:18 GMT
On Tue, 22 Aug 2000 15:14:31 GMT, Stuart Fox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <8nsh3r$ou4$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Leon Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Read it and laugh (or cry, your option):
>>
>> http://slashdot.org/articles/00/08/21/0759251.shtml
>>
>> If you administer an MS-SQL server admin, read it and panic.
>>
>> Who needs to knock Microsoft when you could stand back and watch them
>do
>> such a thorough job themselves? (-: If it didn't have painful
>> consequences, watching some of the BugTraq lists would be better than
>> the Comedy Channel.
>
>Check it out Leon, Oracle ships with default admin passwords, MySQL
>ships with default passwords. If you are so unfamiliar with the
Nope.
The oracle rdms installer since at least version 7.1.x has
forced the admin to set passwords for the superuser accounts.
>product that you don't know that the first thing you do is change the
>default password (which is in the documentation), then you have no
>business installing or using it. Period.
...which the oracle install 'wizard' has taken you through
step by step for years.
You're the one that seems to be unfamiliar with the products
you're talking about.
--
Finding an alternative should not be like seeking out the holy grail.
That is the whole damn point of capitalism.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Subject: Re: refrigerator using Linux?
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 18:31:58 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Aaron R. Kulkis
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Mon, 21 Aug 2000 17:13:44 -0400
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>Craig Kelley wrote:
>>
>> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>
>> > mind setting your line length to 70 columns or thereabouts, so that
>> > people can read your posts...
>>
>> http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/faq/part1/
>>
>> Read the part about signatures before you complain about other's
>> posts...
>>
>
>
>my .sig doesn't interfere with readability.
No, but your .sig is sufficiently long to possibly be of extra cost
(and extra download time of a few seconds at most -- but it adds up)
for those of us who have to pay for bandwidth by the kilobyte;
luckily for me, I'm not one of them.
In the US, these are rare -- but it's quite common in Europe,
as I understand it. Even in the US, some people use toll calls
to dial into their ISPs -- SDSL/ADSL/Cable isn't everywhere yet,
and probably won't be for a few years. (Side point: Pacific Bell
wanted to charge about $0.01/minute for local calls for ISDN --
standard business rates -- during business hours even for residential
homeowners. I do not know if they've dropped that policy or not.)
There is the possibility, mind you, that this bandwidth is necessary
in order to avoid even *more* bandwidth being consumed by the
(f)lamers referred to in the .sig (as they would be disinclined
to post after seeing the .sig, theoretically). I for one have
no way to measure or compute that -- and I doubt anyone else
does, either.
One possibility is to refer them instead to a static webpage.
If confronted, tell them to actually go read it. :-) (On Netscape
and (ugh) Outlook Express, one need merely click.)
It's also possible that the "netiquette" is in fact outdated; considering
that 10+ years ago a 1200-baud modem was state of the art, a
long signature back then would have been a serious faux pas.
Nowadays, it's little more than an annoyance -- and I've seen some
very large .sigs -- usually ASCII art -- anyway. (I try to keep
my .sigs small.) It's a bit like worrying about how to properly hitch
a horse to a hitching-post so that said post doesn't get fouled by
the horse, perhaps -- not an issue in an automobile economy.
Then again, my point above still stands above regarding bandwidth -- at
least until everybody gets a constant-cost line. :-)
[.sigsnip]
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- my two cents
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From: Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Fragmentation of Linux Community? Yeah, right!
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 15:40:59 -0300
[EMAIL PROTECTED] escribi�:
>
> On Tue, 22 Aug 2000 11:16:40 -0300, Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Ostracus escribi�:
> >>
> >> In article <8npd61$92c4b$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Nigel Feltham"
> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [deletia]
> >>
> >> So the fact that QT is available for the windows platform is only useful to
> >> those who purchase the professional edition. I would bet even money that most of
> >> the authors of "free" software will not "pony up" the money.
> >
> >You can port the free edition to win32. It should not be a terribly huge
> >project. My personal guess is 2 guys two weeks.
> >
> >> GTK is "free" on both platforms.
> >
> >So would Qt if someone ported it :-)
>
> ...and when you port QT to Be or Win32 or MacOS who owns the result?
You, of course (the "you" who did the porting). TT doesn't require
anyone to grant them the copyright.
> There is infact a Be porting project for QT, it just can't seem
> to attract any developers.
Maybe noone cares.
--
Roberto Alsina
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Sherman Act vaguery [was: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?]
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 18:37:49 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Steve White
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Mon, 21 Aug 2000 16:23:06 -0700
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Larry
>Brasfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[snip]
>> I have read that law. The provisions under which
>> Microsoft has been prosecuted require that it be
>> found to hold monopoly power.
>
>
>Congrats, that's exactly what the Judge found -- MS held monopoly power.
>Case closed!
Not only that, but the court found that MS abused it as well,
if memory serves.
[.sigsnip]
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- insert random misquote here
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 14:32:48 -0400
ZnU wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > ZnU wrote:
> > >
> > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > ZnU wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "JS/PL"
> > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > "ZnU" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > The "losers" under a Bush administration will be just about
> > > > > > > everyone. Bush's proposed tax cut eliminates all chance of
> > > > > > > paying
> > > > > > > off the national debt, yet it only gives $43/year back to the
> > > > > > > average american family. Where does the rest go? You guessed
> > > > > > > it:
> > > > > > > the top 2% or so of the economic scale.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The president doesn't create the budget, he only has the power to
> > > > > > approve it in it's entirety or return it to congress, now who has
> > > > > > really been creating the budget deficit for the past 20 years?
> > > > > > And
> > > > > > who in the past four has managed to turn it (the deficit) around?
> > > > >
> > > > > If the Republicans did all the work to balance the budget, why are
> > > > > they
> > > > > trying to damn hard to unbalance it?
> > > >
> > > > Are you, ZnU, smoking large amounts of crack before writing to
> > > > USENET?
> > >
> > > Are you really denying this? In just the last few months the
> > > Republicans
> > > have tried to pass two tax cuts that would eliminate or significantly
> > > reduce the surplus, and Bush wants to take things even farther.
> >
> > A surplus is merely another name for OVER-TAXATION.
> ^^^^^^^
>
> You misspelled "deficit." All that interest ends up costing quite a bit
> more in the long run.
Interest is a result of debt which is a result of deficits cause by
over-spending....
The federal debt CANNOT Be paid off early like a home-owner's mortgage.
The T-bills can ONLY be paid off when they mature. Anybody who has
any knowledge of how the federal debt works is aware of this.
Since you are blissfully unaware, it demonstrates that your are
basically unqaulified to comment
bye bye
>
> --
> This universe shipped by weight, not volume. Some expansion may have
> occurred during shipment.
>
> ZnU <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | <http://znu.dhs.org>
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
J: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 14:33:29 -0400
Eric Bennett wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Eric Bennett wrote:
> > >
> > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > ZnU wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > ZnU wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "JS/PL"
> > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "ZnU" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The "losers" under a Bush administration will be just about
> > > > > > > > > everyone. Bush's proposed tax cut eliminates all chance of
> > > > > > > > > paying
> > > > > > > > > off the national debt, yet it only gives $43/year back to
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > average american family. Where does the rest go? You
> > > > > > > > > guessed
> > > > > > > > > it:
> > > > > > > > > the top 2% or so of the economic scale.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The president doesn't create the budget, he only has the
> > > > > > > > power to
> > > > > > > > approve it in it's entirety or return it to congress, now who
> > > > > > > > has
> > > > > > > > really been creating the budget deficit for the past 20
> > > > > > > > years?
> > > > > > > > And
> > > > > > > > who in the past four has managed to turn it (the deficit)
> > > > > > > > around?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If the Republicans did all the work to balance the budget, why
> > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > they
> > > > > > > trying to damn hard to unbalance it?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Are you, ZnU, smoking large amounts of crack before writing to
> > > > > > USENET?
> > > > >
> > > > > Are you really denying this? In just the last few months the
> > > > > Republicans
> > > > > have tried to pass two tax cuts that would eliminate or
> > > > > significantly
> > > > > reduce the surplus, and Bush wants to take things even farther.
> > > >
> > > > A surplus is merely another name for OVER-TAXATION.
> > >
> > > Then is a deficit merely another name for under-taxation?
> >
> > Or over-spending.
>
> So a surplus could also be a name for under-spending?
Only if unconstitutional spending has been eliminated, and we are
being invaded.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
J: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linsux as a desktop platform
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 14:43:31 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said Roberto Alsina in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
>"T. Max Devlin" escribi�:
>> [...]
>> >> Yes, its quite cogent in itself in many regards, eh?
>> >
>> >I must confess cogent is a funny word for a argentinian.
>>
>> Why is that? It just sounds weird, or does it mean something else in
>> your native tongue?
>
>It sounds an awful lot like a colloquial term.
You're probably right. People in my area of the country might very well
use it more often than in other areas. And, yea, it does sound haute
sometimes, and get used more often for "relevant" than it should. But
there is also a lot of reason why something might be "relevant" without
being "cogent", and since whether an argument is convincing is pretty
much all we have on Usenet, it seems to come up a lot.
>> I'm not trying to bait you, but it occurred to me
>> that "a argentinian" sounds weird in English, though I'm not sure if
>> that's a lingual or a typographical error.
>
>Hmmm... should I add a "n"?
Yes. Whenever an "a" is used with a word that starts with a vowel, you
change it to "an". Mostly. ;-)
--
T. Max Devlin
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of events at the time, as I recall. Consider it.
Research assistance gladly accepted. --
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: GNOME/KDE issues (was: Come on, Jedi, where are you?)
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 18:53:22 GMT
On Tue, 22 Aug 2000 00:01:37 -0400, T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Said Roberto Alsina in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
>>Matthias Warkus escribi�:
>>>
>>> It was the Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:51:21 GMT...
>>> ...and Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> > > Like I said in my talk about GNOME at LinuxTag 2000: The peaceful
>>> > > competition between KDE and GNOME is one of the best things that ever
>>> > > happened to the free software community.
>>> > >
>>> > > (No matter how many KDEers try to reason that GNOME is useless and
>>> > > should vanish...)
>>> >
>>> > And no matter how many GNOMEs try to call us crooks and want us to
>>> > go away.
>>>
>>> Whatever the facts are, I've never heard any GNOME head honcho say
>>> that KDE should close down the shop (I'm not talking about the
>>> hundreds of raving loony Slashdotters who think they're cool when they
>>> claim that they "boycott KDE" and want to have the project shut down
>>> or something).
>>
>>Well, you don't have a @kde.org email address, or you would have heard.
>>I still get DAILY about 5 emails insulting me for being a vocal KDE
>>advocate. Ever got that kind of thing from KDE users/developers?
>
>Ever consider whether that might mean something about whether "morals"
>really do come into question? Perhaps I've underestimated the issue.
>If it is truly a moral issue of the abstract "free software" religion,
>the likelihood would be greater that I've been backing the wrong horse.
>
>So just why doesn't KDE work to divorce themselves of QT, and what are
>the advantages of having QT? Why?
>
> [...a library of boorish behavior by GNOME supporters snipped...]
This is the big question. With all of the labor potential the
KDE project seems to have, why not make a clean break to a
core library that is beyond reproach? Afterall, the KDE project
seems to be big on PR. Whynot at that 'bulletpoint' to the rest?
Either way, you can't erase the past. KDE started out using QT
long before Troll decided to try and bend over backwards to
please KDE critics. Even if Troll finally went with the 'Aladdin
route', momories of how KDE started things would remain.
--
Finding an alternative should not be like seeking out the holy grail.
That is the whole damn point of capitalism.
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/ | \
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From: ZnU <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 19:01:51 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ZnU wrote:
> >
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > ZnU wrote:
> > > >
> > > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > > > Eric Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, ZnU
> > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The president doesn't create the budget, he only has the
> > > > > > > > > power to approve it in it's entirety or return it to
> > > > > > > > > congress, now who has really been creating the budget
> > > > > > > > > deficit for the past 20 years? And who in the past four
> > > > > > > > > has managed to turn it (the deficit) around?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > If the Republicans did all the work to balance the budget,
> > > > > > > > why are they trying to damn hard to unbalance it?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Are you, ZnU, smoking large amounts of crack before writing
> > > > > > > to USENET?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Are you really denying this? In just the last few months the
> > > > > > Republicans have tried to pass two tax cuts that would
> > > > > > eliminate or significantly reduce the surplus, and Bush wants
> > > > > > to take things even farther.
> > > > >
> > > > > And I suppose the Democrats are just going to let that surplus
> > > > > sit there reducing the debt, rather than spending it on bigger
> > > > > government health care and *ahem* Gore's own $500 billion in
> > > > > proposed tax cuts?
> > > >
> > > > Gore has promised to pay off the debt. Bush has not. Of course,
> > > > it's rather difficult to attack Bush on the issues, since he almost
> > > > never talks about them....
> > >
> > > Paying off the debt is already IN the budget, you moron.
> > >
> > > ALL treasury bills have a maturity date. To cannot retire the debt
> > > any sooner than the maturity dates on the T-bills. To retire the
> > > debt, all that needs to be done is to refrain from rolling over the
> > > bonds as they mature.
> >
> > How will this be possible after the Republicans have starved the
> > government giving their tax breaks?
>
>
> Tax breaks stimulate commerce, idiot!
Ahh. Another proponent of trickle-down economics. Of course, some people
see that for what it really is: a way for rich people to justify their
exploitation of the system.
> > > IDIOT!
> >
> > How can I argue with such persuasive logic?
>
> Merely noting your species, that's all
--
This universe shipped by weight, not volume. Some expansion may have
occurred during shipment.
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From: Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: GNOME/KDE issues (was: Come on, Jedi, where are you?)
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 16:10:05 -0300
[EMAIL PROTECTED] escribi�:
> This is the big question. With all of the labor potential the
> KDE project seems to have, why not make a clean break to a
> core library that is beyond reproach?
You are liberal at spending the effort of others. Join [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Afterall, the KDE project
> seems to be big on PR. Whynot at that 'bulletpoint' to the rest?
If I could understand that sentence, I would comment on it.
> Either way, you can't erase the past. KDE started out using QT
> long before Troll decided to try and bend over backwards to
> please KDE critics. Even if Troll finally went with the 'Aladdin
> route', momories of how KDE started things would remain.
Nice.
--
Roberto Alsina
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