Linux-Advocacy Digest #565, Volume #30 Thu, 30 Nov 00 14:13:04 EST
Contents:
Re: Whistler review. ("Tom Wilson")
Re: Netscape review. ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Don't believe the hype (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: Linux is awful (kiwiunixman)
Re: Don't believe the hype (Mike Raeder)
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Is design really that overrated? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Whistler review. ("Conrad Rutherford")
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Linux is awful (WorLord)
Re: Whistler review. ("Conrad Rutherford")
Re: Major shift ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Whistler review. ("Conrad Rutherford")
Re: Whistler review. ("Conrad Rutherford")
Re: Whistler review. ("Conrad Rutherford")
Re: Whistler review. ("Conrad Rutherford")
Re: LA Times article re. Microsoft... ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
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From: "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 18:18:31 GMT
"Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:905lvd$11km$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:mesV5.110$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:905ig3$qr2$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >
> > > "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:1SrV5.102$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > >
> > > > "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > news:905e4n$npr$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > >
> > > > > "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > news:C5qV5.88$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:90417b$4tc0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > > > > In article <903r8k$594r$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ayende
> > Rahien
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >"mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > > > > >> In article <8vulpn$5pbkd$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Ayende
> > > > Rahien
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > >> >"mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > >> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > > > > >> >> In article <3a228f5a$0$14371$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > Conrad
> > > > > > > Rutherford
> > > > > > > > >> >wrote:
> > > > > > > > >> >> >how would you know?
> > > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > > >> >> I think he knows what's run better for him, which is
> what
> > he
> > > > > said.
> > > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > > >> >> It's nothing like :
> > > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > > > >> >> >That's like saying you run Linux cause it kicks DOS
> > 6.22's
> > > > ass.
> > > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > > >> >> at all.
> > > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > > >> >> wa waaaaa.
> > > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > > >> >> Besides, we really don't care whether Ayende likes the
> > > colour
> > > > > > > > >> >> scheme of DOS7.3 or DOS8 or whatever this will be.
> > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > >> >There isn't, nor ever was, DOS in NT line.
> > > > > > > > >> >You are thinking 9x line.
> > > > > > > > >> >A very common mistake with linadvocates, it seems.
> > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> Shame really, 'cos the only thing I would actually use
> > > > > > > > >> Microsoft OS for in my own time would be game playing.
And
> > > > > > > > >> that's only possible with DOS.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >That is just about the most ridicilous, inaccurate, and
> idiotic
> > > > > > statement
> > > > > > > > >that I've heard since I last read Aaron's posts.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Que? My, we are getting personal. Well, 'tis true. I do
not
> > > > > > > > run MS OSs in my spare time except under _exceptional_
> > > > circumstances.
> > > > > > > > The only one I know of is for a game which will only run
under
> > > > > > > > dos. That's that. It's a fact, and I don't really see how
> you
> > > > > > > > can call it inaccurate.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Because not even a moderatedly successful game came out in the
> > last
> > > > > three
> > > > > > > years or so that didn't run on windows?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You have to remember, Ayende, that a lot of folks still play
games
> > > that
> > > > > were
> > > > > > written before Win95.
> > > > >
> > > > > I know, GoldenAxe is my favoraite old time game.
> > > > > I can still play it, your point?
> > > >
> > > > Simply, a rebuttle to the "...only possible with DOS" and "Because
not
> > > even
> > > > a moderatedly successful game came out in the last three years or so
> > that
> > > > didn't run on windows?" portions of the thread.
> > > >
> > > > If you want to have fun with an old DOS game, find the original
IBM-PC
> > > port
> > > > of Centipede and play it on a modern machine. It's hillarious!
> > >
> > > It isn't refuting my arguement. It isn't even close.
> > > What game in the *last three years* run on DOS and was even
moderatedly
> > > successful?
> > > Mark's original statement was that he couldn't run games on non-dos
> > > platform.
> > >
> > > Qoute:
> > > Shame really, 'cos the only thing I would actually use
> > > Microsoft OS for in my own time would be game playing. And
> > > that's only possible with DOS.
> > >
> > >
> > > You've failed to answer my question, what even modertedly successful
> game
> > > (for the PC) came out in the last three years that didn't run on
> Windows?
> >
> > LOL, I'm not arguing that fact. Please unwad your panties. The point is
he
> > may be discussing games that fall outside of that criteria. If he ISN'T
> then
> > you're right and he's wrong. You may want to ask him about the games to
> > which he is referring. That would bring this thing into perspective.
>
> He said that it is only possible to play games with DOS.
> "that's [playing games] only possible with DOS."
Which could mean....
A: Playing games [THAT ARE] only possible under DOS.
B: Playing games [IS] only possible under DOS.
Option A means he has a valid argument.
Option B means he is an idiot.
(Laughing)
I'll argue computer related stuff - No problem.
I draw the line at arguing semantics, though...
UNCLE!!!! :)
--
Tom Wilson
Go home Al....
Game over, man!
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Netscape review.
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 13:22:05 -0500
Spicerun wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>
> > spicerun wrote:
> > >
> > > Chad Myers wrote:
> > >
> > > > -Chad
> > >
> > > Actually, more of a 'hanging chad'
> >
> > Can I pull the lever?
>
> Only to flush.
Whoooooooooosh!
Bye-bye Mr. Meyers.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Subject: Re: Don't believe the hype
Date: 30 Nov 2000 18:22:02 GMT
On Thu, 30 Nov 2000 17:29:12 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>I have now used Linux for 6 months (Redhat 6.0)
Then you weren't using the latest release and certainly not the most
stable. .0 RH releases tend to be fairly iffy. Try upgrading to 6.2
>According to the press its a stable operating system - YOU MUST BE
>JOKING.
It's perfectly stable.
>yp / ldap (take your pick - you will end up trying both!) just don't
>work.
I've had no problem with yp. Haven't used ldap.
>Gnome leaks and locks up frequently, machines reboot and run out of
>memory.
Then don't use GNOME.
>In short most of the software may be free but it certainly isn't
>finished.
A lot of it is. Some of it isn't. Of course not all software is "finished".
>If you value your time then Linux is not free.
tired cliche.
>Oh yes and I haven't even touched on gdb (use Visual Studio then try
>gdb ; its like the dark ages - again IT DOES NOT WORK).
Works for me, though I don't use it that often.
You need to compile your code with -g for it to work.
--
Donovan Rebbechi * http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/ *
elflord at panix dot com
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From: kiwiunixman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is awful
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 18:27:20 GMT
Extreme OS advocates are like extreme left/right parties, anyone who is
not extreme enough are seen as the enemy, for example a moderate fascist
maybe seen by the extreme fascists as a communist sympathiser.
With that said, if one were truly looking for help, they would goto the
appropriate place, such as, alt.os.linux.mandrake, or
comp.os.linux.help, instead of looking for trouble in the advocacy
forums. It I posted by terrible experience with Windows 98 SE on a
Windows advocacy group, I would get sledged for slamming Windows. I
think this is why many Linux advocates get angry, newbies who are quick
to criticise Linux, but never seeking help. Its like an alcoholic who
blames the liquor companies for his woes, yet never checks into an AA.
kiwiunixman
Pete Goodwin wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> Using the new AOL promo CD you got with the Sunday newspaper?
>
>
> Is it the policy of this group to poke fun at people with problems with
> Linux? Or is the assumption that _anyone_ reporting problems is not worth
> listening to, and should be derided? If so, then what amazing arrogance!
>
------------------------------
From: Mike Raeder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Don't believe the hype
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 03:36:31 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
<much_needed_snippage>
> I would have loved to have found linux was stable and usable however
> the truth is it lacks quality.
What documentation did you use? While you're at it, install BeOS, *BSD, OS/2,
Solaris, and MacOS. I'm sure that you'll complain about them too. It's sounds
more like you're stuck in a Windows mind-set and can't get out.
Ignorance != lack of quality.
Why would you waste time whining in a NG, when you could be searching for $CLUE?
--
Since-beer-leekz,
Mikey
Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam possit
materiari?
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 00:36:11 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said mark in alt.destroy.microsoft on Wed, 29 Nov 2000 22:43:53 +0000;
>In article <903s99$5u56$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ayende Rahien wrote:
[...]
>You said he'd used a screwdriver on it. I didn't believe that then,
>and I don't believe it now, because I can't see why anyone would.
No, he didn't, Mark. He said that a CD would not survive taking a
screwdriver to it, trying to make clear that the faulty media wasn't
MS's problem. He's right on that point, BTW, AFAIK.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Is design really that overrated?
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 13:29:39 -0500
mark wrote:
>
> In article <XkQU5.7021$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, the_blur wrote:
> >> This is *too* weird. Are you proposing Calvin Klein Linux,
> >> Armani Linux, Hugo Boss Linux, Gap Linux, etc. Look for the
> >> Linux ads in Vogue magazine. :)
> >
> >It's sad, but the reason you quoted all those brands is because they are
> >strong (snobby) brands and they made an impression onn you, probably because
> >of the adverts (which I hate BTW, they annoy me). Apple built a brand
> >appealing to same things as these companies. Think of Nike, they have an
> >excellent creative team doing their ads, but for some reason (I guessing
>
> They need to because they also have kids making their goods.
>
> If you want to buy goods made by expoiting children in poor
> countries, then go with what the advertising man tells you.
Actually, these "exploited children" are actually bringing
home SIGNIFICANT income to their families.
If the families didn't need that income, those kids wouldn't
be working.
Child labor laws have NOTHING to do with children's welfare
and EVERYTHING to do with creating labor shortages to increase
the leverage for extorting the price of low-skill labor by unions.
>
> mark
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Conrad Rutherford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
Date: 30 Nov 2000 12:30:07 -0600
Wow, you are obviously a very educated intelligent command line crippled
person. The GUI enhances my performance, I still completely own the CLI but
don't have the limitations of it forced on me. I can do more quicker using
my GUI than you could dream to do.
"kiwiunixman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:3a22e1cf$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Well you fuck off you GUI dependent mumma's boy. So, not only you can use
a
> GUI but a mouse ooooooooooo you must very bright, you fucking nittwitt.
>
> kiwiunixman
> Conrad Rutherford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:3a2291ba$0$14376$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > So, kiwiunixman, did you classify yourself as a "unixman" because you
> don't
> > know how to use a mouse and are afraid of getting sticky fingers in GUI?
> Go
> > away you pathetic worm troll
> >
------------------------------
From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 00:37:16 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said Ayende Rahien in alt.destroy.microsoft on Thu, 30 Nov 2000 01:16:47
>"mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
[...]
>> Ah, how the story changes. Before you were quite certain that it
>> was only one file.
>
>Only one file that *cared* about.
Only one file that you *knew* about. He's got you this time, Ayende.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: WorLord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.mandrake
Subject: Re: Linux is awful
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 10:31:23 -0800
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Taken from the obscure and questionable writings of
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (J.C.Posey) :
>"Dennis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>Linux users wake up! Don't slap new users in the face.
>Jake
Respect is a two way street, Jake. Have you read the original post?
It wasn't a plea for help, or even a question-asking session. It was
just a bitch-fest with no apparent goal, and the author deserves all
s/he gets.
--WorLord
"You could spend an hour counting the petals in a flower
It might take you a year to count the veins in each petal
If you spent ten lifetimes, maybe you could count its cells...
...but you'd have completely missed the point
You fuckhead."
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From: "Conrad Rutherford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
Date: 30 Nov 2000 12:33:07 -0600
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Conrad Rutherford wrote:
> >
> > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Matthew Soltysiak wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I DON'T CARE!!!
> > > > >
> > > > > I will still continue to run my Linux System which has performed
for
> > me better
> > > > > than anything MS has ever done.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Ok, so go away... why did you respond to this? Stupid linvocates..
> > whistler will
> > > > continue windows domination over the world.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Matthew Soltysiak
> > > > Comp Sci/Soft Eng
> > >
> > > Whatever school you're studying at....I'd transfer out of, if I were
you.
> >
> > whatever air you are breathing now, I'd switch to Carbon Monoxide if I
were
> > you.
>
> Tell us, Conrad....how many operating systems have you ever written
> programs for?
#1) unimportant
#2) four
#3) from reading your other posts I know your reply already and expect more
lies.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Major shift
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 13:34:09 -0500
tony roth wrote:
>
> no both atari and amiga sold much better in europe then it did here! the
> sales the U.S. were about 1/3 the per capita rate as in europe!
That's because europe had a lower per-capita ownership of computers
when the Atari 520ST and the Amiga lines were introduced.
Naturally, first-time buyers bought the superior products.
>
> "." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:900nfl$lvl$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > tony roth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > and I remember when atari st's and amiga's were the rage in europe ha ha
> ha!
> >
> > I remember when they were the rage in the united states. Whats youre
> point?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----.
> >
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Conrad Rutherford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
Date: 30 Nov 2000 12:36:28 -0600
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Matthew Soltysiak wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Tell us, Conrad....how many operating systems have you ever written
> > > programs for?
> > > --
> > > Aaron R. Kulkis
> > > Unix Systems Engineer
> > > ICQ # 3056642
> > >
> >
> > And how many have you done, "Unix systems Engineer"? 0? Oh, make that,
"Unix
> > System Admin"
>
>
> Apple ][ , ][+ , and //e
> VM/CMS (on IBM 370)
> Commodre 64
> RSTS
> CDC 6600 / 6700
> v7 Unix
> BSD Unix amd derivatives
> SysV Unix and derivatives
>
> plus 2 that have no name
>
> That makes 10.
Two that have no name??? hahaha - that's pretty pathetic.
And you are actually proud of some of those. I see you did not list DOS or
Windows so OBVIOUSLY everyone in this group now knows officially what we
already guessed - you have no knowledge or concept whatsoever of the topics
within this group. You are a unix elitist snob pretender who is here merely
to be a pain in the ass which given you have no dick is not even effective.
you list is such a narrow range - I'm suprised you even tried to be
impressive with it...
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From: "Conrad Rutherford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
Date: 30 Nov 2000 12:39:31 -0600
"kiwiunixman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> 1. First of all, the security rating used to "promote NT" is only for an
> unconnect (non-networked box), hence when connected, the security is
> instantly questionable.
First of all you are competely wrong and this FUD is dated. NT4 has been
evaluated and passed NETWORKED.
>
> 2. From my previous post:
>
> educated elite (aka UNIX users and people who question Microsoft and other
> so-called "market leaders")
>
> The main emphasis is on the "people who question Microsoft and other
> so-called "market leaders" ", that includes anyone who questions the
> underhanded tactics of Microsoft, hence, could be Mac users, Amiga Users,
> even Windows users. Conrad yet ya fact right before releasing shyte into
> this newsgroup.
Question is one thing. make up lies and spreading fud is another. Refusing
to even acknowledge the simplest and most obvious things simply because they
are MS reminds me of Gore not realizing he's lost the election already.
>
> 3. I am upgrading to either an Ultra Sparc or O2 as there is co-herancy
> between third party vendors and the computer itself, so hence, I could be
> viewed as a user who questions the reliability and versatility of the
Intel
> platform.
Oh, you me proprietary hardware and outrageous prices eh? I thought we
outgrew this long ago? Funny enough I see smart people running away from
hardware/software bundled by vendors designed strictly to increase their
profit margins.
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From: "Conrad Rutherford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
Date: 30 Nov 2000 12:39:36 -0600
he's pretending watching Trainspotting makes him sound l33t
"Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8vupqe$5an6e$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "kiwiunixman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > Conrad yet ya fact right before releasing shyte into
> > this newsgroup.
>
> What dialect of english do you use?
> This isn't any that I've seen.
>
>
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From: "Conrad Rutherford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
Date: 30 Nov 2000 12:42:23 -0600
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Do you mind telling me what those propriety standards are?
> >
> > Here's a few, off the top of my head: Broken HTML (created by
> > FrontPage) that can only be read by MS browsers; ActiveX; Java that
> > contains `features' that make it incompatible with standard JVM;
> > closed formats for Office documents that change whenever they have
> > been reverse-engineered. As for the whole .NET thing... Remember,
> > it's a documented fact that MS have illegaly used their power in the
> > market to enforce their own position.
>
> And NOT EVEN CONTESTED BY MICROSOFT.
>
>
> All that Microshaft is appealing is their sentance, not the conviction.
>
> What does this tell you.
This (what you wrote) tells us all:
You can't spell.
You are an idiot.
You have no idea what the current status of the case is.
You have not the slightest idea how the legal system works.
I don't think people should try to prove you an idiot - you do just fine
yourself.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: LA Times article re. Microsoft...
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 13:46:05 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> I agree. The only people who believe Microsoft is the best software
> producer are hiding from the facts. Microsoft is a large, inefficient
> and corrupt organization that needs to get purged by the DOJ. When was
> the last time Microsoft produced an application that used less hard disk
> space and memory than the previous version? never. Compare that too
> Linux (the kernel) and the size as stayed around the same, mem
> requirements around the same, yet more functionality is bought to the
> platform. Microsoft should learn a thing or two from such companys as
> QSSL and BeOS, on how to write a decent OS from the ground up, with
> fully documented API's and emphasis put on efficient programming.
Mith microsoft, BLOAT IS A BUSINESS STRATEGY
1. Sell the computer w/ OS version X and application version Y
2. Sell bloated upgrades for OS version X+1 and application verson Y+1
2a. Computer starts to bog down, and run out of space
due to bloat.
2b Consumer buys a NEW computer...with OS X+1 and Application Y+1
Under this formula, the consumer pays TWICE for OS X+1 and Application Y+1.
And that's how Microsoft likes it.
>
> kiwiunixman
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > Worth a read...
> >
> > http://www.latimes.com/business/20001129/t000114370.html
> >
> > Good quote...
> >
> > Cable executives have been openly surprised and irritated at
> > the company's inability to meet deadlines, not to mention the
> > consistently low caliber of the Microsoft programming that has
> > arrived.
> >
> > Good does of reality. And a fairly decent explanation of why a lot of
> > us prefer to run something else.
> >
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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