Linux-Advocacy Digest #594, Volume #28 Wed, 23 Aug 00 13:13:07 EDT
Contents:
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? ("Christopher Smith")
Re: What dist is easyLinux based on? (Matthias Warkus)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (Ed Cogburn)
Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E. Ballard
says Linux growth stagnating (Matthias Warkus)
Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E. Ballard
says Linux growth stagnating (Matthias Warkus)
Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E. Ballard
says Linux growth stagnating (Matthias Warkus)
Re: It's official, NT beats Linux (?) (Matthias Warkus)
Re: Microsoft Linux: what if? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E. Ballard
says Linux growth stagnating (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Lars_Tr=E4ger?=)
Re: Is the GDI-in-kernel-mode thing really so bad?... (was Re: (Ed Cogburn)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? ("JS/PL")
Re: Why my company will NOT use Linux
Re: Why my company will NOT use Linux
Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E. Ballard says Linux
growth stagnating (Craig Kelley)
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From: "Christopher Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 02:23:09 +1000
"ZnU" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <8npmf2$k8t$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Christopher Smith"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > One might note that the two main players in this particular case,
> > Office and IE, *are* superior products, in pretty much everyone's
> > opinion.
>
> Again, that's true _now_. Microsoft has made it unprofitable for
> competitors to bother, so there is no serious competition.
With Office, it's been true for a very, very long time. Back to the Windows
3.1 days.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: What dist is easyLinux based on?
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 19:16:56 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Tue, 22 Aug 2000 08:59:31 +1200...
...and Ross Levis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Most "other" distributions are based on one of the major ones (rg .RH SuSE).
> Does anyone know what easyLinux is compatible with.
I don't think they've based their distribution on anything specific.
It's newly built from the ground up to accommodate their registry and
stuff.
mawa
--
Warkus' Paradoxon of Human Relationships:
I. A man who has already got a woman can get any other woman.
II. A man who hasn't got a woman cannot get a woman.
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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 12:38:21 -0400
From: Ed Cogburn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Joe Ragosta wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, ZnU
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Joe
> > Ragosta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, ZnU
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Ahh. Another proponent of trickle-down economics. Of course, some
> > > > people see that for what it really is: a way for rich people to
> > > > justify their exploitation of the system.
> > >
> > > That's possibly true.
> > >
> > > But, OTOH, perhaps you can explain why income disparity between the
> > > "rich" and the "poor" is vastly worse today than it was under the
> > > Reagan and Bush administrations?
> >
> > Because the economy is much better, and the rich always benefit most
> > from a stronger economy.
>
> That's certainly one possible explanation.
>
> But what made the economy better? The tax cuts of the 80's perhaps?
Tax cuts from the right are always designed to help the rich, that's
already been stated in this thread. So the tax cuts did help... they've
managed to expand the gap between rich and poor to its worse state since
the 1920s. For the rich the economy is great, but everyone else is just
treading water, including the shrinking middle class.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E. Ballard
says Linux growth stagnating
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 16:10:08 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Tue, 22 Aug 2000 21:46:05 GMT...
...and [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> GNOME was a reaction to the licence of libqt. It's basically
> "KDE without the commercial library underneath".
You're making it look like a would-be KDE clone. Actually, GNOME
existed before the decision to build it into an offering comparable to
KDE; its scope was limited, it was a rather experimental project in
networked components (thus the name, GNU Network Object Model
Environment). Cloning KDE was never the intention, competing with it
was.
mawa
--
[About the Imagine rendering software:] Warning: this software does
not have a learning curve. This software has a learning WALL.
-- Steve Worley.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E. Ballard
says Linux growth stagnating
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 16:16:22 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the 23 Aug 2000 01:56:53 GMT...
...and Donovan Rebbechi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Aug 2000 00:54:21 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> >>You're forgetting that Roberto, and the KDE people use QT because it is
> >>FREE SOFTWARE.
> >
> > No.
> >
> > You are forgetting what the licence was when they started.
> >
> > They used QT because it was GRATIS and convenient.
>
> The license was still free when they started.
When the KDE project started, Qt on Unix was freeware. The Qt version
most KDE users indirectly use is still only freeware. Unix Qt >= 2.x
is under the QPL, which is Yet Another Corporate Not-Quite-GPL
Licence. AFAIK, Qt under Windows continues to cost money.
The QPL is quite OK. My major gripe with it is that one is not allowed
to fork the code. There were rumours that, at LinuxTag 2000, an
announcement was supposed to be made that this clause was to be
removed from the QPL. I don't know whether that really happened, I
didn't see any news about it on the Web.
mawa
--
Nickelallergiker!
Niederdrehzahlfahrer!
Omabesucher!
Opelh�ndler!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E. Ballard
says Linux growth stagnating
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 16:12:28 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the 23 Aug 2000 11:30:24 GMT...
...and Donovan Rebbechi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Aug 2000 01:13:03 -0400, T. Max Devlin wrote:
>
> >Well, yes it does, Roberto. Does QT pay your salary?
>
> In case you haven't got it yet, QT is a widget set, not an organisation.
> QT dialog boxes do not jump out of the screen and hand you money when
> you use the kit ( though I wouldn't mind if they did ). QT are made
> by a company called "Troll Tech", who do pay salaries. But they do
> not pay the KDE developers ( such as Roberto ). KDE is a free, not for
> profit project.
At least one KDE developer works for Troll Tech. However, that's
absolutely nothing worth noting. Consider that dozens if not hundreds
of GNOME and KDE developers work, directly or indirectly, for shops
such as SuSE, Red Hat, Corel, Eazel, Helix etc. I suppose Mandrake
have hired some KDE people, too, but I'm not sure.
BTW, whatever happened to theKompany?
mawa
--
"Die Deutschen", meint Brian P. Clarkson, Student am MIT und dort mit
/Computern als Kleidung/ besch�ftigt, beinahe emp�rt, "fragen auch
immer als Erstes, wof�r etwas gut ist."
-- c't 22/99
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Subject: Re: It's official, NT beats Linux (?)
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 16:19:43 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the 22 Aug 2000 22:20:46 +0200...
...and Bruce Scott TOK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Nathaniel Jay Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >Get into books. They are cheaper, they last longer, and nobody is
> >throwing a hissy fit about buying the latest 'boy-band' type of book.
>
> But now there's Harry Potter!
>
> (pardon me if I've got the name wrong... I don't participate in these fads)
What's the big deal? We've had low-quality writers such as Stephen
King and Wolfgang Hohlbein with a community of adolescent "fan"
readers devouring their books by the dozen for decades now.
mawa
--
Erdbeerzuckerer!
Stehlampenfesthalter!
Pf�tzenausweicher!
Fr�hschoppenverschl�fer!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Microsoft Linux: what if?
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 16:26:00 GMT
Microsoft Linux BSOD, DLL Hell for Microsoft Linux, reboots, viruses,
exploits, endless broken upgrades, ... yeah, that's what I want.
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E. Ballard
says Linux growth stagnating
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 12:43:24 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said Roberto Alsina in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
>"T. Max Devlin" escribi�:
>> Said Roberto Alsina in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
>> >"T. Max Devlin" escribi�:
>> [...]
>> >> Screw KDE. Its a commercial development project. They're trying to
>> >> leverage free software for their own private gain; GNOME rules. Any
>> >> ideas KDE can come up with, GNOME can replicate. That's not FUD, that's
>> >> the god's honest truth.
>> >
>> >I don't get it. Do you know the address of KDE corp. by chance? ;-)
>>
>> <G> No, I couldn't find it. ;-)
>
>Ok, so, I assukme now you know that what you said was not "the god's
>honest truth." but just more uninformed ranting? Apologize, please.
Just to show you how capricious my sentiment can be when given a steady
stream of information, I'll tell you that twenty minutes ago, I might
have. Perhaps jedi is just another Usenet screwball, but what he said
still resonates. Just because QT is the product, not KDE, and the
company's name isn't KDE, but Troll Tech, is no reason for me to retract
my statement apologetically. I'm going to need a bit more inside
detail, first. Feel free to email me (anybody) if you have anything
which might shed light on this from an intimate position. I've read
enough "industry information" to know that industry information is
worthless.
>> I was mislead by the rhetoric, as I've said. I'm still not a fan of
>> KDE, but don't see anything wrong with an alternative to GNOME, either.
>> I'd just wish you understood the literary aspects of software enough to
>> know that requiring QT is counter-productive, possibly in the extreme.
>
>You lack the software designing and development expertise to judge
>the merits of technical decisions regarding software design and
>development, IMO.
I am not making any such judgements, so your point is moot. I feel no
remorse in resigning myself to judging from the perspective of the
consumer, and do not feel this disqualifies me in any way from any
judgement I might care to make.
[...]
>So, am I not a whore as you said I was? Wouldn't it be nice
>of you to apologize for calling me that instead of deleting it?
Sorry, the jury's still out on that one. Who pays your salary?
[...]
--
T. Max Devlin
-- Such is my recollection of my reconstruction
of events at the time, as I recall. Consider it.
Research assistance gladly accepted. --
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Lars_Tr=E4ger?=)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 18:49:34 +0200
Joe Ragosta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
> > Said Joe Ragosta in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
> > >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [...]
> > >If you believed in free markets, you wouldn't be posting drivel along
> > >the lines that companies shouldn't be allowed to "profiteer" (to use
> > >your meaningless word).
> >
> > Its not meaningless, and civil injunction against profiteering is a
> > necessary part of a free market system. Whether or not you can say a
>
> Bullshit.
>
> You just said that in a free market system, the market decides when a
> company is charging too much. Now you're saying civil injunctions are
> needed.
Point is, when there is a monopoly, the market can not do anything
against it when a company is charging too much - the market is not free
anymore.
> In a free market system, there's no such thing as profiteering. The
> concept doesn't even exist. If the customer is willing to pay the
> vendor's price, a transaction occurs and the price was not excessive. If
> the price is excessive, the customer doesn't pay and no transaction
> occurs.
So when there IS profiteering, it's an indication that there is no free
market, but a monopoly.
> A civil injunction, by definition, is the complete opposite of a free
> market system.
It is neither, it's an external means of reinstating a free market.
> > company which only protects property with copyright in order to extract
> > exorbitant profits on treating it like a trade secret is 'profiteering',
> > I will admit that is debatable. Are you unable, or simply unwilling, to
> > debate it?
>
> I've already debated it -- over and over.
>
> You have this bizarre idea that you're defending a free market economy
> when you dream up all these things that should be used to _interfere_
> with buyers and vendors reaching an agreement on price.
So you don't oppose monopolies (Microsoft's included)?
Lars T.
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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 12:55:57 -0400
From: Ed Cogburn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Is the GDI-in-kernel-mode thing really so bad?... (was Re:
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>
> Ed Cogburn wrote:
> >
> > "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> > >
> > > Wrong. The individuals named (other than Petrich) all engage in
> > > hit-and-run campaigns consisting of meaningless red-herrings and
> > > out and out lies against me. I decided that rather than answer the
> > > charges from these assholes individually, a blanket pre-dismissal of
> > > their lies would be a better strategy.
> >
> > "hit-and-run campaigns consisting of meaningless red-herrings"
> >
> > Hey, check your reader, this c.o.l.a! Hit-n-run campaigns and twisted
> > tortured arguments over red-herrings are common grist for this place,
> > but you don't see anyone else with a 29 line sig trying to stop
> > arguments before they begin, do you? Where are these people who are
> > hounding you in every NG, including this one? Answer: they aren't
> > here. I've never seen them. At least in c.o.l.a. your sig isn't even
> > needed right now, but in the meantime you are creating brand new
> > enemies. Your "pre-dismissal" isn't one since I've never heard the
> > other side of the story anyway. For everyone in c.o.l.a, your sig *is*
> > *utterly* *pointless*.
> >
> > >
> > > My .sig has SIGNIFICANTLY reduced the volume of such activity against me,
> > > which is exactly what I designed it to do.
> >
> > No, what its done is create a brand new problem that has lead to a
> > number of flame threads in c.o.l.a about your sig. Considering the
> > number of *plonk*s I've seen, from people not in your sig, you are
> > increasingly not particularly well liked here, and have accumulated far
> > more enemies than your sig could possibly handle. Are you going to add
> > a section to your sig for everyone who is nagging you about it? Does
> > that help your cause, by having so many readers stop reading your
> > posts? If I had an agenda I wanted to espouse, the first thing I
> > wouldn't do is start pissing off complete strangers with an aggravating
> > sig, before ever having the chance at advocating my beliefs to them.
> > What you're doing is just plain *stupid*.
> >
> > >[snip abomination]
> >
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> Here's an idea:
>
> When you see:
>
> ---
> Aaron R. Kulkis
> Unix Systems Engineer
>
> STOP READING.
>
> Now, is that so fucking hard?
Its the *bandwidth* stupid, your sig eats bandwidth for absolutely no
good reason. Your sig costs money to download and its downloaded no
matter what I say, so I *can't* just ignore it. And this still doesn't
change the fact that your sig is irrelevant to everyone in c.o.l.a.
anyway. Now is that so fucking hard to understand?
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From: "JS/PL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 12:45:04 -0400
"Joe Ragosta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Chad
> Irby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > "JS/PL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > "Chad Irby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > "JS/PL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > No they are a private company holding a monopoly over their
market.
> > > > > They are a monopoly in the legal sense because if I decided to
sell
> > > > > power in their government granted market territory, I would be
> > > > > legaly prosecuted, and sued out of business.
> > > >
> > > > Nope.
> > > >
> > > > That all changed a few years ago. Now, you can sell electrical
power
> > > > anywhere you want, and in many places, you can even force the power
> > > > companies to let you use their lines for that purpose.
> > >
> > > Nope, just talked to an engineer at my local rural electric service a
> > > month ago whos line (and service area) ends at the edge of my
> > > property. They still cannot run a line to my house by law. I must pay
> > > 12 cents per kw/hr instead of 4 cents because of it.
> >
> > Then you need to make some calls and get a real story from someone who
> > knows about the law, since the guy you talked to is certainly behind the
> > times.
I think the power company themselves are pretty well informed on the law,
and accurately informed me that due to the fact I live just inside of
territory granted by the state to my current electric provider they cannott
run a line to my house. Maybe I should call back and say "Chad told me you
are wrong, hook me up tomorrow please." Or better yet could you call them
and fill them in on the law.
>
> Actually, he may not be. Utility deregulation hasn't been approved in
> all states.
>
> More to the point, though, is that he's misunderstanding utility
> deregulation. Basically, it decouples the electricity generator from the
> company that runs a line to your house. Deregulation means simply that
> you can buy your electricity from multiple suppliers -- not that two or
> more companies will run a wire to your house.
Most people are aware of this, there's no misunderstanding about
deregulation, there isn't deregulation in my state yet. But rural electric
is still a better deal even when deregulation does occur. I'm not allowed by
law to join because the territory ends 300 feet from my front door. My
neighbor pays 1/3rd what I pay and once a year gets a small dividend check
from them! I'm not sure why he gets the check, it's something to do with
being part owner in the company instead of customer.
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why my company will NOT use Linux
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 09:27:39 -0700
Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Nathaniel Jay Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >Was NFS userspace and is going kernelspace, or viceversa?
> >Because what linux used to have really sucked.
>
> I thought userspace NFS came first. I used the old
> userspace version, and some of them were a joke, but
> currently the userspace version are very stable, and very
> usuable (performance wise). I've tried the kernelspace
> versions, and thus far have had nothing but problems with
> it. Anyway, as long as it is optional (and remains
> optional) then I have no problem with it.
In other unix platforms NFS servers were kernel based with userspace
programs to control them. The idea of userspace NFS servers came latter.
Linux on the other hand started out with no kernel based NFS server or any
at all. For this unix platform, unfs was the first NFS server available for
it, the kernel based server came latter. My Linux NFS servers have been in
operation long before the Linux kernel NFS server came along in the form of
a kernel patch with the knfs package and after more than a year latter
became a part of the standard kernel sources. I still use the userspace NFS
server since the kernel based one too often turns flaky and I have not been
able to locate why. When the kernel based server becomes flaky and it is
compiled as a module it can be deactivated and be unloaded and it sometime
works again afterwords. If compiled in the kernel when it become flakey
often the only solution is a reboot. If using unfs something goes flakey,
just kill the process and restart it. I have never once had to reboot a
host to fix a problem in unfs. I am calling the userland nfs server by its
original name of unfs since by the time that its name was changed to what it
is today, it was already rock solid and has given be no grief. I am waiting
to test the 2.4.x kernels to see if the kernel NFS server is servicable and
reliable.
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why my company will NOT use Linux
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 09:55:39 -0700
Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
[MUCH TEXT]
Are you saying that Nathaniel, myself, and others are concerned and/or
worried about silly things happening to Linux. Or are you saying that we
are silly to be worried about these thing?
If you are saying the first option above and I were in your place, I would
have said, "I agree silly thing like that should never be done to Linux, I
will not cause the introduction of the thing into Linux and I don't believe
that those I am in contact with would either."
Instead you still seem to be discounting our valid. If you think that we
are the only two who have these concerns consider the following:
http://www.gnulinux.com/interviews/stallman_part1.shtml where it says
Stallman: Well, I have concerns in that certain things could happen, which
we must avoid. Having companies interested is, not in itself, a bad thing.
There's a potential for them to contribute. There's also a potential for
them to exploit the community and lead it in the wrong direction. Which
one will happen will be determined ultimately by the values of the users.
P.S. This Stallman quotation and URL comes from Dan Jacobson in the thread
"Microsoft Linux what if?"
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E. Ballard says
Linux growth stagnating
From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 23 Aug 2000 11:04:31 -0600
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donal K. Fellows) writes:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Python is a very easy language to pick up. It resembles C++/Java, but
> > has an incredibly versatile library available on every install (ie, no
> > need to go out and get a regexp package, etc.)
>
> It also has a concept of syntactically meaningful indenting that sucks
> rocks. It's not as bad as perl's line-noise, but what is? (Except
> for APL of course! :^)
Hey now, Perl is a very nice language. It is much like a gun: You
can write bad code, or you can write good code; you can 'use English'
or you can use $<-isms. Perl will let you make your code completely
un-maintainable, but it also gives you the tools (strict and OO access
to stuff) to make it beautiful.
Usually, the people who call perl programs 'scripts' are the ones that
write unmaintainable garbage and the people who call perl programs
'programs' write easy to read code.
> More seriously, their libraries tend to be a little low-level for my
> taste; low-level might be theoretically the most powerful technique,
> but sometimes its nice to just cut to the chase and write down what
> you really mean by an application without all the baby steps. It
> shouldn't take as long as a week to develop a networked collaborative
> graphical game, for example...
Well, network tic-tac-toe wouldn't take that long.
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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