Linux-Advocacy Digest #627, Volume #28 Fri, 25 Aug 00 09:13:06 EDT
Contents:
Just how dense is Aaron? (Ed Cogburn)
Aaron and his attitude (Ed Cogburn)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (Courageous)
Re: Malloy digest, volume 2451782 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (Courageous)
Re: Aaron and his attitude ("Raul Iglesias")
Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows ("Joseph T. Adams")
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (Andre Ervin)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (david
raoul derbes)
Re: Just how dense is Aaron? ("Christopher Smith")
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Enemies of Linux are MS Lovers (Chris Ahlstrom)
Re: When it's time to not be nice... (was Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic
Linvocates - Re: R.E. Ballard says Linux growth stagnating) (Donal
K. Fellows)
Re: BASIC == Beginners language (Was: Just curious.... (Donal K. Fellows)
Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E. Ballard says Linux
growth stagnating (Donal K. Fellows)
Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E. Ballard says Linux
growth stagnating (Donal K. Fellows)
Re: BASIC == Beginners language (Was: Just curious.... (Donal K. Fellows)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (Donavon
Pfeiffer Jr)
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Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 04:16:45 -0400
From: Ed Cogburn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Just how dense is Aaron?
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>
> Ed Cogburn wrote:
> > Its the *bandwidth* stupid, your sig eats bandwidth for absolutely
> > no good reason. Your sig costs money to download and its downloaded no
> > matter what I say, so I *can't* just ignore it. And this still doesn't
> > change the fact that your sig is irrelevant to everyone in c.o.l.a.
> > anyway. Now is that so fucking hard to understand.
>
> Bandwidth will be consumed either by my .sig, or by trolls.
Even the bandwidth consumed by c.o.l.a. trolls serves a *purpose*, if
only the entertainment value that participants and bystanders recieve
from the trolls' activities. For those in c.o.l.a. though, your sig has
no redeeming value at all.
>
> My method is to keep the anti-Aaron trolling to a minimum by specifically
> naming them as trolls in my .sig.
Where the hell are these "anti-Aaron" trolls Aaron? Has ANYONE seen an
"anti-Aaron" troll in c.o.l.a.? ANYONE? ANYONE AT ALL? No, Aaron, the
only "anti-Aaron" trolling is coming from people like me who are angry
and shocked by your behavior and attitude wrt your sig. YOU ARE
*CREATING* "ANTI-AARON" TROLLS WITH YOUR SIG, NOT STOPPING THEM. Are
you so dense, that you don't see that?
>
> Deal with it.
No, you're going to deal with it. Your going to spend most of your
usenet time in c.o.l.a. embroiled in flames over your sig, wasting your
time as well as eveyone elses. If I chose to ignore you from now on, I
suffer no penalty, but there will always be someone else who complains
about your sig, which then starts another flame war. Think about all
the time your going to be wasting defending a pointless sig, time lost
to fighting the battles that you want to fight here, never mind all the
people who will no longer read *anything* you have to say because
they've killfiled you over your stupid sig. Just how dense are you?
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Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 04:41:58 -0400
From: Ed Cogburn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Aaron and his attitude
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>
> neo wrote:
> >
> > hi i 've been trying to raid two of my harddisk which have a storage
> > space of 20gb each.the raid was running fine until tried some testing. i
> > made the system crashed to check if the mirrored harddisk works.Well it
>
> Mirroring is not for system crash protection.
>
> Mirroring is for insurance if one disk fails.
Well, no shit sherlock!
You send a 2 sentence response with a 29 line sig, and your 2 lousy
sentences don't even help the guy asking the question, they're just a
slap in the face. You're not only dense, you're arrogant.
Neo, please disregard Aaron, he's just a resident PITA here in
c.o.l.a.. If no one helps you here, you're probably better off trying
one of the other groups, like comp.os.linux.hardware or
comp.os.linux.setup. c.o.l.a. is for Windows advocates and Linux
advocates to verbally beat each other silly.
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From: Courageous <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 09:11:08 GMT
> No, that one's an oxymoron, and a famous one at that.
"Hmmm. You keep saying that. I don't think that word means
what you think it means."
--Inougo Montoya
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Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Malloy digest, volume 2451782
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 09:21:14 GMT
Here's today's Malloy digest. Notice how he's ignored the evidence
for the fact that he likes to "hear" himself, as well as the
evidence for his reading comprehension problem. Nor did he explain
why he's ignored Slava's question; indeed, he continues to feign
ignorance about Slava. And he's still plagued with "parrot" syndrome,
as well as his illogical conclusion regarding misattributions.
176> Here's today's Tholen digest. Notice how he's ignored the evidence for the
176> fact that he likes to "hear" himself, as well as the evidence for his
176> reading comprehension problem. Nor did he explain who or what "Slava" is.
176> And he's still plagued with "parrot" syndrome, answering questions with the
176> same few meaningless words as always. Figures.
176>
176> The digest itself is, of course, a tholenesque wasted void, as he never has
176> anything interesting to say.
176>
176> Bye!
177> Tholen tholes:
177>
177> Prove it, if you think, Tholen.
177>
177> He's said that already. Having trouble keeping up, eh Tholen?
177>
177> Not very.
178> Tholen hath tholed:
178>
178> Gee, that's all you ever do, Tholen, and you wonder why you're boring?
178> Sancta simplicitas!
How ironic.
==========
Malloy likes to hear himself. The evidence:
"I take it Tholen has attempted to digest me, but since no message
to that effect appears on my newserver today, I present an oldie:"
--Joe Malloy
Maybe it's because he has trouble seeing. The evidence:
"Where does he say anything about clergy, Tholen?"
--Joe Malloy
"It follows from your pontificating actions and the discussion
of the clergy..."
--Eric Bennett
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From: Courageous <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 09:23:37 GMT
> They are decreasing, but we are still subsidizing out-of-wedlock
> pregnancies for high school girls.
The cost of this is inconsequential to the cost of much
more relevant budgetary issues. Any serious conversation
about how are taxes are spent (and whether or not our
taxes ought be what they are) is utter verbal masturbation
if it does not address one of these topics:
1. The Debt
2. Defense Expenditures
3. Social Security
4. Medicare
If whether or not a high school girl is on AFDC makes your
radar, you're not paying attention.
C//
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From: "Raul Iglesias" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Aaron and his attitude
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 09:33:14 GMT
A good said truth deserves admiration, congratulations Ed., you
speak for a lot of us I am sure.
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From: "Joseph T. Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.text.xml,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows
Date: 25 Aug 2000 11:19:13 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
: Joseph T. Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
: news:8o4ina$daf$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
:> In comp.os.linux.advocacy mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:> : This who XML hysteria worries me. We have people thinking that it is
:> : something other than a very inefficient text based file format. Example:
: As a a data storage format XML is no better than any other file format and
: it does not prevent creating none portable private data format.
: Remember this example:
: <?xml version="1.0" encoding="iso-8859-1" ?>
: <!DOCTYPE RESULTSET SYSTEM "http://fubar.com/fubar.dtd">
: <RESULTSET>
: <RESULT ID="0" >
: <MATCHES>0</MATCHES>
: <TIME>0.1605</TIME>
: <RATINGS>0</RATINGS>
: <MAXSCORE>2510</MAXSCORE>
: <SCORE>6947</SCORE>
: <SIZE>6536</SIZE>
: <LANGUAGE>_LANG1_</LANGUAGE>
: <DATE>957148708</DATE>
: <FORMAT>0</FORMAT>
: <MODDATE>0</MODDATE>
: </RESULT>
: </RESULTSET>
: How portable would this version of it be?
: <?xml version="1.0" encoding="iso-8859-1" ?>
: <!DOCTYPE RST "http://localhost/fubar.dtd>
: <RST>
: <R ID="0" >
: <F0>A</F0>
: <F1>q20e3</F1>
: <F2>e</F2>
: <F3>lsm2</F3>
: <F4>928l</F4>
: <F5>pqke</F5>
: <F6>2ksnfui</F6>
: <F7>mpqw395hg</F6>
: <F7>2</F7>
: <F8>5</F8>
: </R>
: </RST>
Equally, if it is valid (i.e., has a DTD, and conforms to it).
But it does tremendously violate the *spirit* of XML. XML is supposed
to be human-readable.
And you do get portability advantages even if you don't fully
understand the data. The structure and data are represented together.
If you can reverse-engineer (determine the meaning of) all the tags
except F2 and F6, then you can make confident use of these, even if in
the next version of the format, they add a couple more fields (element
types) and take away one or two of the ones you do understand.
In a binary format, you'd always be at risk of problems due to
variable field length. That can't happen with XML.
Joe
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From: Andre Ervin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 11:19:40 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "JS/PL"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Andre Ervin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "JS/PL"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > "Andre Ervin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "JS/PL"
> > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > "ZnU" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You mean Bush wants to give people their money back instead
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > spending it for them!? How absurd!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Bush wants to make the rich richer instead of helping the poor
> stay
> > > > > > healthy and educated.
> > > > >
> > > > > That's SOOOO OLD. Nothing is that simple. It's more of a 50 year
> > > > > old
> > > > > democratic slogan than anything. Not even worthy of argument
> > > > > except
> > > > > to
> > > say
> > > > > 95% of the poor are in that situation by choice, it's the five
> > > > > out
> of
> > > 100
> > > > > poor that need a hand.
> > > >
> > > > Proof? For that matter, how many truly poor people do you know?
> > >
> > > I've met a lot of truly poor people in my life, and myself have been
> > > pleny
> > > broke and hungry. I never blamed anyone - especially "the rich" for
> > > my
> > > problems though, I blamed myself.
> > > If you are a poor adult, it is most generaly it is your own fault.
> >
> > It's your fault that you grew up poor, had almost no opportunities to
> > better yourself, struggled through a piss-poor educational system
> > geared
> > more toward keeping you disciplined than teaching you important skills,
> > and can't find a job that will help you get the skills you need to get
> > a
> > better-paying job? It's your fault that the odds are stacked even
> > higher against you with such a background to make it _to_ a college,
> > much less _through_ one? It's your fault that perception means a lot
> > in
> > the job market, and you may not fit the perception?
>
> No but....
> It's only your fault that you let those minor distractions hold you back.
> The fact remains, no one owes the person in the example above a damn
> thing.
> No matter how bad you think you have, it can (and probably will) get
> worse,
> it's just a matter of what YOU do about it, not what someone else is
> going
> to do about it.
Oh, for cryin' out loud...
Minor distractions??? You really think those are minor distractions???
Hell, I went to good schools and had opportunities, and I _still_ am
being left behind by my contemporaries (who are no better qualified, and
no more motivated than I).
But of course it's all my fault.
> Try living in a country where you don't have the RIGHT to get ahead. Look
> at
> some countries where there are two classes, one generaly drives Rolls
> Royces, the other class generaly WALKS! Those people would DIE to be
> subjected to the laughable "setbacks" you list above.
Hey, let's just fix _this_ country first. I'm quite aware how fortunate
I am to live in a country like this; I'm also quite aware of the
travesty when we have starving children that number in the *millions* in
this country while Donald Trump can go broke and still live high on the
hog.
--
dre
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Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (david raoul derbes)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 11:31:03 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Courageous <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>[paying no taxes, but have an income]:
>
>> >If you truly understand this to be true, you can describe,
>> >in simple English, the simple accounting to make this happen.
>>
>> I believe that a little research will reveal those lucky Americans who
>> have a net wealth of several tens of millions who paid no tax, none,
>> last year. How they did it I don't know;...
>
>If they had several tens of millions and lost money last year,
>I'd expect them to not pay income taxes (as is fair). But this
>is neither here nor there. Someone made the claim. It's there
>duty to back up this claim. It's not my duty to go around hunting
>a ghost. I didn't make the claim.
Fair enough. I did make the claim, and I will try, in my copious
free time, to substantiate it. This may take a while.
David Derbes [[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>
>C//
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From: "Christopher Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Just how dense is Aaron?
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 22:05:28 +1000
"Ed Cogburn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> > My method is to keep the anti-Aaron trolling to a minimum by
specifically
> > naming them as trolls in my .sig.
>
>
> Where the hell are these "anti-Aaron" trolls Aaron? Has ANYONE seen an
> "anti-Aaron" troll in c.o.l.a.? ANYONE? ANYONE AT ALL? No, Aaron, the
> only "anti-Aaron" trolling is coming from people like me who are angry
> and shocked by your behavior and attitude wrt your sig. YOU ARE
> *CREATING* "ANTI-AARON" TROLLS WITH YOUR SIG, NOT STOPPING THEM. Are
> you so dense, that you don't see that?
Perhaps a more relevant question is how the fuck his .sig is supposed to
stop the trolls _anyway_.
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Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 17:08:57 -0400
Christopher Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>"ZnU" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> In article <8o0tv0$cqq$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Christopher Smith"
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> > "ZnU" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> > > In article <8npmf2$k8t$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Christopher Smith"
>> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > One might note that the two main players in this particular case,
>> > > > Office and IE, *are* superior products, in pretty much everyone's
>> > > > opinion.
>> > >
>> > > Again, that's true _now_. Microsoft has made it unprofitable for
>> > > competitors to bother, so there is no serious competition.
>> >
>> > With Office, it's been true for a very, very long time. Back to the
>> > Windows 3.1 days.
>>
>> Which only serves to demonstrate that Microsoft has a very long history
>> of this sort of thing.
>Oh, for fuck's sake, grow up.
That is exactly what we would like you to do. But we also have come to
understand that you can't. -- It is because you work for M$?
>Is it _that_ hard to admit, even to yourself, that Office is the most popular
>suite because it is, and has been for a long time, the _best_ suite ? Office
>has been being reviewed and voted as the best office suite pretty much since
>the application category itself was first created.
Only according to ragazines the bow to M$ for the advertising dollars. --
Time you you grow up and figure out how things are controlled by M$.
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From: Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.microsoft.sucks,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Enemies of Linux are MS Lovers
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 12:07:32 GMT
> (Tim Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>
> >W2K is perfectly stabile. It even bloes NT4 out of teh watter.
No, it is very possible to get the Blue Screen on Win 2000.
A guy at work did it.
And it's an enormous memory hog.
--
[X] Check here to always trust content from Chris
[ ] Check here to always trust e-mail sent using Microsoft software
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donal K. Fellows)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: When it's time to not be nice... (was Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and
Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E. Ballard says Linux growth
stagnating)
Date: 25 Aug 2000 10:23:39 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Donovan Rebbechi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Aug 2000 20:23:28 +0200, Matthias Warkus wrote:
>
> >Nope. You mean a dodecahedron. An icosahedron's got twenty vertices.
>
> No, he had it right. "Vertices" means the same thing as corners.
> You seem to be confusing vertices with faces. An
> icosahedron has 12 vertices, 20 faces and 30 edges. A dodecahedron has
> 12 faces, 30 edges and 20 vertices.
The icosahedron and dodecahedron are duals of each other (i.e. if you
swap faces for vertices, you get the other one.) Of the other
Platonic Solids, the hexahedron (aka cube) and octahedron are duals of
each other, and the tetrahedron is dual to itself.
Donal.
--
"Understanding leads to tolerance, which in turn leads to acceptance. And from
there, it's just a quick hop to speeding in Ohio, chewing peyote, and
frottage in the woods with a family of moose. And I just want to claim my
part of the credit." -- bunnythor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donal K. Fellows)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: BASIC == Beginners language (Was: Just curious....
Date: 25 Aug 2000 09:53:05 GMT
In article <8o48gf$9va$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Andres Soolo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> It's the macro pre-processor on Unix systems, originally designed
>> for C,
> AFAIR, it was originally designed for Fortran.
RATFOR actually.
>> it can actually be used for ANY language (because of the
>> flexibility of Unix pipelines).
> Right.
The technical term is "Turing-powerful." It is one of the more
interesting examples that is in actual use in applications as a
programming language. Wierder computational models than that tend
not to be used for some reason... :^)
> Additionally, it can be frequently used as a language by itself, not
> as a preprocessor. I know of at least one web site whose server-side
> scripts are written in M4.
Autoconf (which all OSS authors *should* know about) is written in m4.
Donal.
--
"Understanding leads to tolerance, which in turn leads to acceptance. And from
there, it's just a quick hop to speeding in Ohio, chewing peyote, and
frottage in the woods with a family of moose. And I just want to claim my
part of the credit." -- bunnythor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donal K. Fellows)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E. Ballard says
Linux growth stagnating
Date: 25 Aug 2000 11:38:07 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donal K. Fellows) writes:
>> More seriously, their libraries tend to be a little low-level for my
>> taste; low-level might be theoretically the most powerful technique,
>> but sometimes its nice to just cut to the chase and write down what
>> you really mean by an application without all the baby steps. It
>> shouldn't take as long as a week to develop a networked collaborative
>> graphical game, for example...
>
> Well, network tic-tac-toe wouldn't take that long.
True. But that's not a very sophisticated example since it is limited
to two players and ceases to be meaningful if there are any less.
Collaborative gaming environments are more interesting, having as they
do to deal with what happens when clients join and leave, protocol
versioning, etc.
Donal.
--
"Understanding leads to tolerance, which in turn leads to acceptance. And from
there, it's just a quick hop to speeding in Ohio, chewing peyote, and
frottage in the woods with a family of moose. And I just want to claim my
part of the credit." -- bunnythor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donal K. Fellows)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E. Ballard says
Linux growth stagnating
Date: 25 Aug 2000 11:41:21 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
The Ghost In The Machine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Donal K. Fellows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> (I suspect that this particular point was inducing flamewars between C
>> programmers back in the early seventies.)
>
> No doubt. I happen to like the construct above because I have a
> fighting chance of ensuring braces line up, but the C compiler doesn't
> care.
Hmmm. Do you write code using vi or emacs? I have this suspicion
that there is a correlation between bracing styles and editors...
Donal.
--
"Understanding leads to tolerance, which in turn leads to acceptance. And from
there, it's just a quick hop to speeding in Ohio, chewing peyote, and
frottage in the woods with a family of moose. And I just want to claim my
part of the credit." -- bunnythor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donal K. Fellows)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: BASIC == Beginners language (Was: Just curious....
Date: 25 Aug 2000 10:17:15 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
The Ghost In The Machine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Donal K. Fellows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> The Ghost In The Machine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> [*] There are proper ways of using GOTO, mostly to get out of a
>>> deeply-nested inner loop. IMO, of course.
>>
>> Better to use a labelled continue/break or an exception.
>
> C doesn't have such, but for languages that support labelled
> continue/breaks, that's an option. C also doesn't support
> exceptions (C++ does, but I don't know how well). I forget whether
> Java has labelled continue/breaks; I don't use them at present
> (blame it on my C/C++ background :-) ).
Java does. One of the better features of the language.
>> <reminiscing>
>> Ah, the happy memories I have of my first program. It drew a picture
>> of an open envelope on the screen, one pixel at a time...
>> </reminiscing>
>
> Luxury!
Oh, it was. It was. I can still remember the first game I wrote too;
it was *amazingly* bad (winning was a matter of placing a marble on
the correct key on the keyboard and resting a book on top to hold that
key down...) Not even MS could make a profit selling something of
that quality...
> The first program I wrote displayed numbers on a Wang calculator;
> seven-segment displays, if my memory serves. (Dunno precisely what
> it did; probably something stupid like "hello world".)
Never had one of those. I lead a most deprived life... <sob>
Donal.
--
"Understanding leads to tolerance, which in turn leads to acceptance. And from
there, it's just a quick hop to speeding in Ohio, chewing peyote, and
frottage in the woods with a family of moose. And I just want to claim my
part of the credit." -- bunnythor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 09:10:40 -0400
From: Donavon Pfeiffer Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
One way is the method Ted Kennedy uses: the blind trust. Another way to reduce
your taxes is charitable contributions. If someone wants to argue that Bill
Gates should have given 22 billion dollars to the Government rather than a
charitable trust that actually gets results they should take the argument
elswhere. These same news sources repeat the Democrat's mantra that getting rid
of inheritance taxes is "a tax break for the rich". I'm sure that the family
farms that are unable to break even because the people running them inherited a
huge tax bill that they will spend their lives trying to pay off will disagree.
The fact is both sides are full of it. You want real progress and change vote
Libertarian. One other thing, if you want to see what American government run
health care looks like, visit a VA hospital.
david raoul derbes wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Courageous <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> A fair number of pretty wealthy Americans pay *no tax whatsoever* in this
> >> country. There are all manner of tax shelters and dodges that wealthy
> >> people can avail themselves of, ...
> >
> >You make it sound so easy.
> >
> >If you truly understand this to be true, you can describe,
> >in simple English, the simple accounting to make this happen.
>
> I believe that a little research will reveal those lucky Americans who
> have a net wealth of several tens of millions who paid no tax, none,
> last year. How they did it I don't know; I am neither an accountant
> nor an attorney. People who are in a position to know (Cokie Roberts
> on ABC's "Sunday Morning" and Nina Totenberg on NPR) have said over
> the years that there are such people (not a hell of a lot, under
> a thousand), and I believe them.
>
> Try Nader's web site, or Google.
>
> David Derbes [[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>
> >
> >C//
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