Linux-Advocacy Digest #627, Volume #30 Sun, 3 Dec 00 15:13:02 EST
Contents:
Re: Windows 2000 sucks compared to linux (.)
Re: Linux is awful ("Les Mikesell")
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever ("Les Mikesell")
Re: how come Dell makes you buy Windows with all their cheap PC's? (jtnews)
Re: Windows 2000 sucks compared to linux ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windows 2000 sucks compared to linux
Date: 3 Dec 2000 19:10:12 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Michael Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:90cn3c$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> It might be fast if you're running it on a gigabuck server, but put linux
> on
>> the same machine and it will blow Windows right out of the water. As far
> as
>> desktop OS is concerned, have you ever tried running Windows NT/2000 on a
>> pentium classic with 32 megs of RAM? If you have, I'm sure you fell in
> love
>> with that spinning hourglass cursors and a bunch of blue screens. Linux,
> on
>> the other hand, would run just fine on that system.
> That depends entirely on what you're doing. For instance, I'm running Linux
> Mandrake 7.2 on a P200 mmx with 64MB and it takes >30 seconds to open a copy
> of Netscape, not to mention that even opening copies of Konqueror take
> upwards of 10-15 seconds. Opening the terminal program takes 10 seconds.
> Virtually everything makes me wait. Of course there's no wait cursor while
> it's doing this, so I'm just left fiddling my thumbs not knowing if it's
> actually loading or not.
> I don't call that "just fine".
In all fairness, KDE is not exactly something you should be running on a
machine of that caliber. It is bloated and buggy.
What you SHOULD be doing is running something like Windowmaker, and adding
bits and pieces of KDE (or gnome, or whatever) that you need, as you see
fit.
Granted, this isnt something that an average moronic home user will want
to do, but as you've pointed out over and over, you arent a moronic home
user. :)
>> Linux might be difficult to set up if you're attempting to install some
>> hacker distribution such as slackware or jurix. Mandrake and RedHat,
>> however, are as easy to install as Windows9X, which, in turn, is much
> easier
>> to set up that NT/2000.
> 2000 is simple to setup. In fact, it asks for nearly no information. Why
> do you criticize things you've never obviously used?
2000 is indeed very easy to set up. I'm running it right now, and after a
hellish time finding a video driver for my TNT2 Ultra (hercules) that didnt
lock the machine up and bear the nessesity of re-installing every time,
im pretty happy with it.
Though honestly, I still use unix for pretty much everything except playing
games and looking at pretty web pages.
=====.
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is awful
Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2000 19:11:36 GMT
"Pete Goodwin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:bLoW5.9944$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Les Mikesell wrote:
>
> > > > There is a difference between support and black magic. No one but
> > > > you knows where you put those jumpers, and there is a perfectly
> > > > reasonable way to tell Linux about it that doesn't involve usenet.
> > >
> > > What jumpers? I never changed no jumpers.
> >
> > Oh, so you left them alone. Same thing.
>
> This is ISA PnP. Plug and play means the OS can configure it for you.
I've never seen a Pnp AHA154x card - are you sure about that? If you
mix pnp and non-pnp cards there is no way the pnp configuration step
can tell what IRQs/ports/memory is being used by the ISA non-pnp
cards.
> > > Incorrect. I never changed any of my card settings. I edited
> > > isapnp.conf, because the automatic configuration couldn't seem to do
it
> > > itself, and get it right.
But that has something to do with your particular machine or cards. I
thought when you described this earlier you said the adaptec card
had no bios and the SB was an early model without pnp.
> > They have to match - there is nothing magic about this - you can change
> > either, but you can't reliably detect in software what they are. If you
> > look through the source you will find 'likely' values are probed on
> > some devices but not the full range of possibilities so sometimes a
> > particular card will be automatically found, sometimes not. If this
> > is the case and you set the card to any of the expected values it
> > will be autodetected. It is generally easier to just tell the system
> > where to find it than to go check for this.
>
> See above.
>
> > > For both the SB16 and AHA154x I made no changes to their BIOS or
jumper
> > > settings. I edited configuration files, precisely what I thought Linux
> > > Mandrake was supposed to do for me.
> >
> > Given that it is impossible, your expectations were obviously wrong and
> > you were told that long ago. Please take the complaints to the people
> > who designed the ISA bus. They can't change it now either. I don't
> > understand why you think this is a flaw in Linux or Mandrake.
>
> Because Linux Mandrake 7.0 claimed support for SB16. If it claims support
> and it doesn't work, then its a flaw.
I've installed them in two different machines under RedHat and Mandrake
and it found and configured them automatically - but all the other cards
were PCI. Perhaps you can ask them to include a disclaimer in their
list, noting "Pete Goodwin's SB16" as an unsupported exception.
> In any case I just tried Mandrake 7.2 on this older system, it detected
and
> correctly installed drivers for the AHA152x, so it was obviously possible
> to do this.
If the bios is enabled you can - you wouldn't with an AHA151x unless
you are lucky in probing one of the possible settings and reading something
you recognize. But, note that different things happen at boot up with pnp
cards depending on whether you have told the bios that you are running a
pnp OS or not. If the bios has this option and you say the OS is pnp, it
will
not configure the devices itself. The motherboard is usually better
at configuring things to avoid conflicts than any OS, so it is best to
say no if you get the choice.
> > That is exactly my point. Why do you think you should not have to deal
> > with those complexities, especially if you refuse to use PCI
> > self-configuring devices?
>
> Because both the SB16 and AHA152x _are_ PnP self configuring devices.
There are good reasons that nobody uses ISA anymore.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2000 19:18:14 GMT
"Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:90dcco$ojf9$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Apperantly, it suffers from exactly the same problem.
> > > > > > > Netscape 6 require /usr/local/netscape to have read/write to
> *all*
> > > > > users.
> > > > > > > Since it stores *user spesifics* settings in there, instead of
> > > storing
> > > > > them
> > > > > > > in /home/<user>/netsacpe
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Not exactly the same case. It's just a suggested default
> > > > > > path (unwise suggestion, I agree). I didn't like it, and I
> > > > > > installed to /home/<user>/netscape. Didn't need to get an
> > > > > > updated version, just entered the right path in place of the
> > > > > > default. However I'm not sure it was necessary, because user
> > > > > > specific data are kept in a .mozilla folder on my user home
> > > > > > directory.
> > > > >
> > >
> > I mean that in *nix you only have a filesystem, with some conventional
> > setting which are intended to provide security. An user or a sysadmin
> > has easy means to increase or decrease security for a single application
> > or for a full range of them. Therefore it's possible to run in a safe
> > mode an application whose programmers screwed up security because of
> > error/stupidity reasons.
> > On Windows you don't have such a possibility: the registry has been
> > designed on a fixed way, you can't move an entry from HKLM to HKCU in a
> > way transparent to the application, so either the security scheme
> > designed by MS or selected by the applications suits you, or you're
> > screwed up.
>
> You can move nodes around, using registry exports & some minor text
editing.
> The problem is that you've to define to the application where to look for
> it, which is impossible unless the programmer gave you a way to do so, or
> you've the code.
> Also, you can fine-grain the security of every node & key in the registry.
> That is how I got my dailer to work.
> I just don't like it when I have to do extra work because lazy
programming.
>
I don't have time to check what Netscape 6 does right now, but it is *not*
a problem in unix to have a directory where anyone has write permission
only to their own file(s), and others have only the permissions the owner
or superuser wants to give them. /tmp and /var/spool/mail being well
known examples.
Les Mikesell
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Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2000 14:19:33 -0500
From: jtnews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: how come Dell makes you buy Windows with all their cheap PC's?
To [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Please read the comments in this thread in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
we need more operating system competition in the sub $800
PC market!
Thanks!
Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
> Yes, you can get a very very very very low end PC from Dell, but
> such machines aren't a terribly good choice for running LInux, which
> is why Dell and other manufacturers usually don't install Linux on
> such machines.
My Dell Dimension V400C runs linux great! And it was a bargain basement
model last year! This machine is already my web server, mail server,
DNS server, router, and batch job processor!
I have an ATI Rage Pro chip on this machine and it runs games like SOF
fine
too. Most of the expensive hardware really gives you minimal
performance
gain. The only piece of hardware that really gave me a performance
boost
was having a lot of memory.
I have 192MB in this machine and it works great!
For my application, having a huge clock speed really doesn't buy me
much.
As long as my computer can process my 400MB worth of daily financial
data before the opening bell rings on the NYSE, I'm just fine! Whether
my jobs
finish at 2 am or 3 am really doesn't make a difference.
The point I'm making is that while the added cost of having a bundled
Windows doesn't make much of a difference to me personally,
on an industry wide basis, subsidization of Windows on the low end
machines
where the volume is, is harmful to the development of alternative
operating
systems because many startups try to initially enter the marketplace at
the low end where the amount of capital spending is minimal and the
margins
razor thin. Shaving these little costs off can be the deciding factor
in choosing whether to enter these markets or leave them to the already
entrenched incumbents.
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windows 2000 sucks compared to linux
Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 13:33:56 -0600
"." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:90e5qk$eul$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > "Michael Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:90cn3c$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> It might be fast if you're running it on a gigabuck server, but put
linux
> > on
> >> the same machine and it will blow Windows right out of the water. As
far
> > as
> >> desktop OS is concerned, have you ever tried running Windows NT/2000 on
a
> >> pentium classic with 32 megs of RAM? If you have, I'm sure you fell in
> > love
> >> with that spinning hourglass cursors and a bunch of blue screens.
Linux,
> > on
> >> the other hand, would run just fine on that system.
>
> > That depends entirely on what you're doing. For instance, I'm running
Linux
> > Mandrake 7.2 on a P200 mmx with 64MB and it takes >30 seconds to open a
copy
> > of Netscape, not to mention that even opening copies of Konqueror take
> > upwards of 10-15 seconds. Opening the terminal program takes 10
seconds.
> > Virtually everything makes me wait. Of course there's no wait cursor
while
> > it's doing this, so I'm just left fiddling my thumbs not knowing if it's
> > actually loading or not.
>
> > I don't call that "just fine".
>
> In all fairness, KDE is not exactly something you should be running on a
> machine of that caliber. It is bloated and buggy.
Exactly. And, in all fairness, you can disable services and reduce the
memory footprint in NT/2000 as well.
My point was that it all depends on how it's configured.
> What you SHOULD be doing is running something like Windowmaker, and adding
> bits and pieces of KDE (or gnome, or whatever) that you need, as you see
> fit.
Yes. Even though KDE isn't all that bad, I'm probably going to "downgrade"
to a less resource intensive wm.
> > 2000 is simple to setup. In fact, it asks for nearly no information.
Why
> > do you criticize things you've never obviously used?
>
> 2000 is indeed very easy to set up. I'm running it right now, and after a
> hellish time finding a video driver for my TNT2 Ultra (hercules) that
didnt
> lock the machine up and bear the nessesity of re-installing every time,
> im pretty happy with it.
>
> Though honestly, I still use unix for pretty much everything except
playing
> games and looking at pretty web pages.
Yeah, I can't stand web browsing in Linux. I keep a high resolution desktop
on a 21" monitor, and it's almost impossible to read the text on lots of
pages. Increasing the size of the text just makes the text blocky and
virtually unreadable.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2000 14:35:36 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Tom Wilson writes:
>
> >> Aaron R. Kulkis writes:
>
> >>>> Donovan Rebbechi writes:
>
> >>>>> The movement keys are placed sensibly in vi (hjkl),
>
> >>>> Which is not intuitive. First-time vi users, if they try to do
>
> >>> Big fucking deal. NOTHING about computers is "intuitive"
>
> >> Incorrect; consider the power switch.
>
> > You'd be surprised....
> > Never underestimate the idiot factor.
>
> We're talking about intuition, not incompetence.
Put an electric appliance in front of somebody who has never
used an electric appliance before, and you'll learn that there
is absolutely NOTHING intuitive about on/off switches.
They are merely FAMILIAR, not intuitive.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2000 14:36:05 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Aaron R. Kulkis writes:
>
> > Tom Wilson wrote:
>
> >>> Aaron R. Kulkis writes:
>
> >>>>> Donovan Rebbechi writes:
>
> >>>>>> The movement keys are placed sensibly in vi (hjkl),
>
> >>>>> Which is not intuitive. First-time vi users, if they try to do
>
> >>>> Big fucking deal. NOTHING about computers is "intuitive"
>
> >>> Incorrect; consider the power switch.
>
> >> You'd be surprised....
> >> Never underestimate the idiot factor.
>
> > The power switch is NOT "intuitive"
>
> You mean you need to consult a manual to learn how to turn a computer
> on???
>
> > Proof: put a primative tribesman in a room with electric appliances
> > and tell him to start the things into operation.
>
> How does that represent proof for your claim? Intuition comes from
> experience. If you don't have the experience, then you need to consult
> a manual. You're hypothesizing a situation in which there is no
> experience.
Circular argument.
You lose
Dumbass.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2000 14:37:29 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Tom Wilson writes:
>
> > Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
>
> >> Tom Wilson wrote:
>
> >>> I wrote:
>
> >>>> Aaron R. Kulkis writes:
>
> >>>>>> Donovan Rebbechi writes:
>
> >>>>>>> The movement keys are placed sensibly in vi (hjkl),
>
> >>>>>> Which is not intuitive. First-time vi users, if they try to do
>
> >>>>> Big fucking deal. NOTHING about computers is "intuitive"
>
> >>>> Incorrect; consider the power switch.
>
> >>> You'd be surprised....
> >>> Never underestimate the idiot factor.
>
> >> The power switch is NOT "intuitive"
> >>
> >> Proof: put a primative tribesman in a room with electric appliances
> >> and tell him to start the things into operation.
>
> > I'm in agreement.
>
> You shouldn't be. His example doesn't represent proof for a power
> switch not being intuitive.
Then please provide a COGENT differing explanation.
>
> > The language I used, in hindsight, was wrong.
>
> That doesn't justify your agreement.
>
> > Read: Never underestimate the ignorance factor.
> >
> > I used "idiot" because i'ts been one of those nights...
>
> Go to the store. Buy a lamp. Take it home. Do you consult a manual
> to find out what to do with the cord? I hope not. Yet the hypothesized
That's because people who live with electrical appliances KNOW
that plugging in is part of the "installation" process.
> "primative tribesman" could have no idea what the cord is for. Does that
> prove that the power cord is not intuitive?
Precisely.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2000 14:39:00 -0500
Tim Smith wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> >>All other trials have failed to reproduce the results.
> >
> ><http://www.som.syr.edu/facstaff/dvorak/blackburn.html>
> >
> >"Typing, Fastest. Mrs. Barbara Blackburn of Salem, Oregon can maintain
> >150 wpm for 50 min (37,500 key strokes) and attains a speed of 170 wpm
> >using the Dvorak Simplified Keyboard (DSK) system. Her top speed was
> >recorded at 212 wpm. Source: Norris McWhirter, ed. (1985), THE GUINNESS
> >BOOK OF WORLD RECORDS, 23rd US edition, New York: Sterling Publishing
> >Co., Inc."
>
> So? When offered as evidence that the Dvorak keyboard leads to faster
> typing, this is so full of flaws it is hard to know where to begin. Has
> it occured to you that the reason Mrs. Blackburn types so fast could be
> due to characteristics of *her* rather than the keyboard layout?
Get your attributions straight.
That was the THOLEN-idiot, not me.
>
> --Tim Smith
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2000 14:43:21 -0500
Bruce Ediger wrote:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >Donovan Rebbechi writes:
> >
> >> The movement keys are placed sensibly in vi (hjkl),
> >
> >Which is not intuitive. First-time vi users, if they try to do
> >anything without having had a tutorial, won't get very far because
> >of that "every letter key is a command" approach. Most people
>
> http://www.asktog.com/papers/raskinintuit.html
>
> Jeff Raskin, "Intuitive Equals Familiar", Communications of the ACM,
> vol 37, no 9, Sept, 1994, pg 17.
Yes, that describes it PRECISELY.
>
> --
> Once, galactic empires might have seemed a Post-Human domain.
> Now, sadly, even interplanetary ones are.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2000 14:44:07 -0500
Tim Smith wrote:
>
> On Sat, 02 Dec 2000 07:41:59 -0500, Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> > Big fucking deal. NOTHING about computers is "intuitive"
> >>
> >> Incorrect; consider the power switch.
> >
> >Only to those with previous experience with power switches.
> >
> >Put a computer in front of a person from a remote village which
> >has no electrical service, and let's see how "intuitive" the
> >power switch is.
>
> OK, now you are getting silly. Give those villagers electricity, and
> all the usual electrical applicances other than computers, and let them
> become comfortable with them, THEN give them a computer. The power switch
> on the computer will be intuitive to them.
>
> You are confusing "intuitive" with "instinctive".
http://www.asktog.com/papers/raskinintuit.html
Jeff Raskin, "Intuitive Equals Familiar", Communications of the ACM,
vol 37, no 9, Sept, 1994, pg 17.
>
> --Tim Smith
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
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