Linux-Advocacy Digest #629, Volume #28 Fri, 25 Aug 00 12:13:08 EDT
Contents:
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (Joe
Ragosta)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (Donavon
Pfeiffer Jr)
Re: Why my company will NOT use Linux (Matthias Warkus)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (Joe Ragosta)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) ("Aaron R.
Kulkis")
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) ("Aaron R.
Kulkis")
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) ("Aaron R.
Kulkis")
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) ("Aaron R.
Kulkis")
Re: Just how dense is Aaron? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Just how dense is Aaron? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
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From: Joe Ragosta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 14:10:25 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Courageous
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > They are decreasing, but we are still subsidizing out-of-wedlock
> > pregnancies for high school girls.
>
> The cost of this is inconsequential to the cost of much
> more relevant budgetary issues. Any serious conversation
> about how are taxes are spent (and whether or not our
> taxes ought be what they are) is utter verbal masturbation
> if it does not address one of these topics:
>
> 1. The Debt
> 2. Defense Expenditures
> 3. Social Security
> 4. Medicare
>
> If whether or not a high school girl is on AFDC makes your
> radar, you're not paying attention.
>
So just because big crimes occur, it's OK to ignore smaller ones?
Sorry, welfare costs this country billions of dollars per year. It's
also probably the easiest thing to fix. So there's nothing wrong with
discussing it.
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Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 10:55:29 -0400
From: Donavon Pfeiffer Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Courageous wrote:
> > They are decreasing, but we are still subsidizing out-of-wedlock
> > pregnancies for high school girls.
>
> The cost of this is inconsequential to the cost of much
> more relevant budgetary issues. Any serious conversation
> about how are taxes are spent (and whether or not our
> taxes ought be what they are) is utter verbal masturbation
> if it does not address one of these topics:
>
> 1. The Debt
> 2. Defense Expenditures
> 3. Social Security
> 4. Medicare
>
> If whether or not a high school girl is on AFDC makes your
> radar, you're not paying attention.
Wrong, if you are encouraging dependency at an early age you are
creating an ever expanding problem. Of course that is OK with the powers
that be as it allows for the rhetoric of the poverty pimps and the
creation of a permanent voting block by establishing a self sustaining
underclass who grow up dependent on politicians to control their incomes
and lives. Ever notice the ratio of "I'll increase your benefits"
rhetoric vs. "I'll give you independence and self determination"
rhetoric?
>
>
> C//
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Subject: Re: Why my company will NOT use Linux
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 23:03:19 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Thu, 24 Aug 2000 19:25:26 GMT...
...and Nathaniel Jay Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> South Park's Eric Cartmen (or is it Cartman?).
> >>
> >> You know, "Screw you guys, I'm goin' home"
> >
> >Ah. Of course. The E was puzzling me. It's Cartman. The quote didn't
> >tell me anything, over here South Park is dubbed in German.
>
> Woah, that must be 'different'. I can't imagine seeing
> South Park without seeing Eric say, "Screw you guys, I'm
> goin' home." or maybe, "It's all a bunch of tree-huggin'
> hippie crap!"
Here, we dub everything. This practice has been called Germany's
revenge on the Allies. :)
Seriously, the synchronisations are quite good. Especially the dubbed
versions of ALF and The Simpsons are often considered better than the
original, which I can very well believe with ALF, but I'm a little
skeptical w/r/t The Simpsons. I've seen neither in the original
version.
South Park has been heavily edited, for example, in one episode where
Cartman (I think it's Cartman) goes around shouting "Sieg heil!", this
has been changed into "Wie geil!", which is a meaningful German
sentence too, but a little more politically correct, and everyone gets
the meaning anyway. Overall the German version of South Park is
considered tolerable and well done.
mawa
--
"I stopped believing in Santa Claus when I was six. Mother took me to
see him in a department store and he asked for my autograph."
-- Shirley Temple
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From: Joe Ragosta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 15:25:30 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Andre
Ervin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "JS/PL"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > "Andre Ervin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "JS/PL"
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > "ZnU" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You mean Bush wants to give people their money back instead of
> > > > > > spending it for them!? How absurd!
> > > > >
> > > > > Bush wants to make the rich richer instead of helping the poor
> > > > > stay
> > > > > healthy and educated.
> > > >
> > > > That's SOOOO OLD. Nothing is that simple. It's more of a 50 year
> > > > old
> > > > democratic slogan than anything. Not even worthy of argument except
> > > > to
> > say
> > > > 95% of the poor are in that situation by choice, it's the five out
> > > > of
> > 100
> > > > poor that need a hand.
> > >
> > > Proof? For that matter, how many truly poor people do you know?
> >
> > I've met a lot of truly poor people in my life, and myself have been
> > pleny
> > broke and hungry. I never blamed anyone - especially "the rich" for my
> > problems though, I blamed myself.
> > If you are a poor adult, it is most generaly it is your own fault.
>
> It's your fault that you grew up poor, had almost no opportunities to
> better yourself, struggled through a piss-poor educational system geared
> more toward keeping you disciplined than teaching you important skills,
> and can't find a job that will help you get the skills you need to get a
> better-paying job? It's your fault that the odds are stacked even
> higher against you with such a background to make it _to_ a college,
> much less _through_ one? It's your fault that perception means a lot in
> the job market, and you may not fit the perception?
Well, let's see.
I grew up with 10 brothers and sisters. There were times when we barely
had enough to eat and new clothes were a rare treat. We never received a
penny of welfare.
I went to school in a particularly bad rural school in Western
Pennsylvania.
Yet I managed to get a scholarship and loans for Penn State, worked my
way through school, got into graduate school at Cornell, progressed
through several jobs of increasing responsibility and ended up as
President of a small company where I'm making quite a lot of money
(certainly far more than the level that Democrats consider wealthy,
although I think their cutoff is way too low).
So what part of the things you cited is impossible?
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 11:26:24 -0400
Mike Marion wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>
> > The whole nation would benefit greatly if a couple of these slimeballs
> > wound up dead of unnatural, violent causes under mysterious
> > circumstances.
>
> I'm assuming you mean someone from the IRS?
>
> > Those who seek to benefit of it can be be morally held responsible
> > for partaking in the whole immoral system:
> >
> > Accepting pay to enforce a tax code which they KNOW is used for
> > immoral purposes (Robbing workers to pay the irresponsible and
> > lazy--I.e. they are accessories to felony theft, or enslavement,
>
> I hope you don't mean that by accepting pay for a job that you're a part of
> the problem just because you know that your taxes are misuesed... if that is
> what you mean, how to you suggest one get by in this country without a job and
> pay?
If every agent resigned, effective immediately for reasons of
Unconstitutional
Misuse of Funds,... Congress would be FORCED to cut out the
uncsonstitutional
spending.
The ONLY reason it's successful is because there are enforcement
officers
willing to go along with the illegal spending.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
J: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 11:28:57 -0400
Courageous wrote:
>
> > > I suspect that you are behind the times. Furthermore, we're
> > > arguing about peanuts. Why get all in a rile over peanuts
> > > when there are issues where SERIOUS MONEY is at stake? Look
> >
> > As of 1995, Wealth-redistribution "entitlements" made up 45% of
> > the budget, and was growing. ( The Republican congress may have
> > derailed this trend, however :-)
>
> A bait and switch. When you're talking about Social Security,
> make sure you say so. This isn't what the average person thinks
> of when you say "welfare".
Social Security is *NOT* a retirement plan. It *IS* welfare.
All of these "I paid in for 45 years" arguments are bullshit.
The senior citizens ****FAILED**** to keep tabs on what Congress was
doing, and ****FAILED**** to investigate SS enough to recognize it for
the Ponzi scheme that it is.
Their short-sighted, idealistic greed does *NOT* constitute a
moral obligation on my part to fulfill it.
>
> C//
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
J: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 11:30:58 -0400
Courageous wrote:
>
> > They are decreasing, but we are still subsidizing out-of-wedlock
> > pregnancies for high school girls.
>
> The cost of this is inconsequential to the cost of much
> more relevant budgetary issues. Any serious conversation
> about how are taxes are spent (and whether or not our
> taxes ought be what they are) is utter verbal masturbation
> if it does not address one of these topics:
>
> 1. The Debt
Legitimate spending (although much of it exists due to unconstitutional
spending)
> 2. Defense Expenditures
Legitimate spending...Constitutionally MANDATED, in fact.
> 3. Social Security
Unconstitutional. END IT NOW.
> 4. Medicare
Unconstitutional. END IT NOW.
>
> If whether or not a high school girl is on AFDC makes your
> radar, you're not paying attention.
What part of UNCONSTITUTIONAL SPENDING do you not understand?
>
> C//
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
J: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 11:33:21 -0400
Donavon Pfeiffer Jr wrote:
>
> One way is the method Ted Kennedy uses: the blind trust. Another way to reduce
> your taxes is charitable contributions. If someone wants to argue that Bill
Charitable contributions do *NOT* lower your taxes...they lower your
*taxable income*
So, if you give away $10,000,000 to charity, that does NOT knock off
$10,000,000 from your taxes.....it knocks off $10,000,000 from your
taxable income (which, at best, only reduces your taxes by $4,000,000).
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
J: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Just how dense is Aaron?
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 11:35:56 -0400
Ed Cogburn wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> >
> > Ed Cogburn wrote:
> > > Its the *bandwidth* stupid, your sig eats bandwidth for absolutely
> > > no good reason. Your sig costs money to download and its downloaded no
> > > matter what I say, so I *can't* just ignore it. And this still doesn't
> > > change the fact that your sig is irrelevant to everyone in c.o.l.a.
> > > anyway. Now is that so fucking hard to understand.
> >
> > Bandwidth will be consumed either by my .sig, or by trolls.
>
> Even the bandwidth consumed by c.o.l.a. trolls serves a *purpose*, if
> only the entertainment value that participants and bystanders recieve
> from the trolls' activities. For those in c.o.l.a. though, your sig has
> no redeeming value at all.
>
> >
> > My method is to keep the anti-Aaron trolling to a minimum by specifically
> > naming them as trolls in my .sig.
>
> Where the hell are these "anti-Aaron" trolls Aaron? Has ANYONE seen an
> "anti-Aaron" troll in c.o.l.a.? ANYONE? ANYONE AT ALL? No, Aaron, the
> only "anti-Aaron" trolling is coming from people like me who are angry
> and shocked by your behavior and attitude wrt your sig. YOU ARE
> *CREATING* "ANTI-AARON" TROLLS WITH YOUR SIG, NOT STOPPING THEM. Are
> you so dense, that you don't see that?
>
> >
> > Deal with it.
>
> No, you're going to deal with it. Your going to spend most of your
> usenet time in c.o.l.a. embroiled in flames over your sig, wasting your
> time as well as eveyone elses. If I chose to ignore you from now on, I
> suffer no penalty, but there will always be someone else who complains
> about your sig, which then starts another flame war. Think about all
> the time your going to be wasting defending a pointless sig, time lost
> to fighting the battles that you want to fight here, never mind all the
> people who will no longer read *anything* you have to say because
> they've killfiled you over your stupid sig. Just how dense are you?
>
> -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =-----
> http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World!
> -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =-----
Isn't it hypocritical to waste bandwidth discussing wasted bandwidth...
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
J: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Just how dense is Aaron?
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 11:36:52 -0400
Christopher Smith wrote:
>
> "Ed Cogburn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> > > My method is to keep the anti-Aaron trolling to a minimum by
> specifically
> > > naming them as trolls in my .sig.
> >
> >
> > Where the hell are these "anti-Aaron" trolls Aaron? Has ANYONE seen an
> > "anti-Aaron" troll in c.o.l.a.? ANYONE? ANYONE AT ALL? No, Aaron, the
> > only "anti-Aaron" trolling is coming from people like me who are angry
> > and shocked by your behavior and attitude wrt your sig. YOU ARE
> > *CREATING* "ANTI-AARON" TROLLS WITH YOUR SIG, NOT STOPPING THEM. Are
> > you so dense, that you don't see that?
>
> Perhaps a more relevant question is how the fuck his .sig is supposed to
> stop the trolls _anyway_.
By exposing their habitual techniques *BEFORE* they attack me, it
takes all the fun out of the game for them.
Try it...it works.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
J: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
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