Linux-Advocacy Digest #629, Volume #33 Sun, 15 Apr 01 16:13:06 EDT
Contents:
Re: Things Linux can't do! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Could Linux be used in this factory environment ? (Brent R)
Re: Things Linux can't do! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Dave Cutlers Art ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Blame it all on Microsoft (Bernd Paysan)
Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day. ("Alex
Chaihorsky")
Re: New directions for kernel development (Brent R)
Re: New directions for kernel development (Brent R)
Re: Has Linux anything to offer ? (webgiant)
Re: Dave Cutlers Art (Goldhammer)
Re: MS and ISP's ("Se�n � Donnchadha")
Re: Pete Goodwin is in good company ("cat cola" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>)
Microsoft gets hard (unicat)
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Things Linux can't do!
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 14:57:32 -0400
webgiant wrote:
>
> On Tue, 03 Apr 2001 03:47:34 +0100, Toby A Inkster Esq
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >In our last episode, Andy Walker wrote:
> >
> >:Linux can't crash at random every five minutes.
> >
> >It can is you write your own "crash daemon" and run it under root.
> >
> >;-)
>
> Therein lies the dilemma of the engineering mind.
>
> They can fix problems, but sometimes they have fun by working out how
> to make a decent computer system behave like a trashy computer system.
You can learn a lot from such things.
This is why engineers run "perfectly good" automobiles into brick
walls (by remote control)....so that they can discover what parts
still *AREN'T* perfectly good yet.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
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can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: Brent R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Could Linux be used in this factory environment ?
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 18:58:58 GMT
franek wrote:
>
> Ed Blackman wrote:
> > On 25 Feb 2001 22:31:08 +0800, Paul Repacholi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >"Adam Warner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > >> > Of course the workers would have to access the system to enter data,
> > >> > etc, so the user interfaces can't be too complicated (GUI?).
> > >> Your workers would know how to use a web browser, so why not make the
> > >> inventory system accessible through any web browser? The MySQL database
> > >> and PHP scripting language would be a good combination for this task.
> > >
> > >Never worked in afactory have you? How long will the mouse keep working
> > >after it has been grabbed by a paint/glue/oil... covered hand?
> >
> > So be conservative with your HTML and make sure the page renders nicely
> > in lynx or another text mode browser.
> I could never understand this enamoration with HTML-based interfaces. There's a good
>case
> for using HTML in a normal web-based environment, but why the hell one would want to
>use
> this crude and slow method in a standalone system is beyond me. Maybe they're
>influenced
> by Microsoft with their huge "innovations" like "look at your desktop as a web
>page"! Wow.
> End of desktop as we knew it. What you need on a factory floor is an industrial
> air/water-tight enclosure with a freaken touch screen (which you can purchase either
>built
> into the strengthened box itself--there are products like that--or as a hardware
>add-on)
> and then a normal, fast-responding gui like Qt, or anything at all really. Just make
>sure
> your buttons are really HUGE, so that you can easily poke them with a gloved finger.
>Btw,
> these pokes come through as mouse clicks, so, programmatically, it is kinda
>mouse-driven.
>
> >
> > Ed
No way man, you're wrong ... everything that's computer-related must
look like a web-page... if it doesn't then you're just behind the times.
The factory worker's will be soooo much more productive if they feel
like they're searching the web, plus they're normal people so they won't
understand anything on the computer that doesn't look like the web.
I mean God we need to start designing ATM's with PHP-generated html or
else we'll be considered behind the times. And we need to start
designing radar terminals to look like web pages as well as all
terminals in life.
As Americans it is our duty to delete all software that doesn't resemble
web pages. From now on all software (including CAD and games) must
resemble a browser complete with 'stop' and 'forward' buttons and
clickable hypertext. Also all books in the computer section will be
burned except for texts on HTML, JavaScript, PHP, and "The internet for
dummies". All other programming and administration texts will be
incinerated.
--
- Brent
http://rotten168.home.att.net
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Things Linux can't do!
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 14:58:05 -0400
webgiant wrote:
>
> On 14 Apr 2001 00:17:28 GMT, "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> >"Hi! I am Aaron, I am a WinLose 98 user." Hiiiiiii... Aaron!
>
> Forgery?
>
> Or am I still allowed to use such archaic terms as "Guess someone
> left his terminal logged in when he went to the restroom!"
It was a forgery. I post from alt.net, NOT pacbell.
In fact, I'm nowhere near the pacific.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Dave Cutlers Art
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 14:59:40 -0400
Electric Ninja wrote:
>
> When you understand the message that each picture is saying, and you set
> aside your biased Linux rhetoric for a few moments, you might actually grin
> in amusement.
Although the ideas are ok....his execution reminds me of....just another
collection of "corporate art" produced by someone with junior-high level skills.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
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can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: Bernd Paysan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.theory,comp.arch,comp.object
Subject: Re: Blame it all on Microsoft
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 23:35:05 +0200
Russell Easterly wrote:
> I have always wondered how Microsoft can have a monopoly
> on the Intel-Compatible market but Intel doesn't have a monopoly.
> I guess monopoly is in the eye of the Justice Dept.
Intel does have a monopoly (the market share of Intel compatible
processors Intel has is still over 70%, despite of what AMD tries to rip
out of that cake). It is not illegal to have a monopoly in the USA, it
is illegal to leverage a monopoly in one market to gain monopolistic
power in another market.
You can see that Intel doesn't abuse the monopoly power, because Intel
processor prices are constantly falling, and the premium for the Intel
brand over the competition is small; there are also several second
sources that compete on the market for Intel compatible processors
(mostly AMD, but also Transmeta and others).
On the other side, there's no realy useful Windows clone (wine is still
too beta to be useful). Prices for Windows rise every release, as do
those for Office. Microsoft use their monopoly to "integrate" another
market (the browser market) into their OS. When the revision judges now
say that there can't be a browser market because all participants give
their browsers away, they just show bad memory: before IE started,
Netscape was *shareware*. You had to pay if you were using it except for
private use.
--
Bernd Paysan
"If you want it done right, you have to do it yourself"
http://www.jwdt.com/~paysan/
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From: "Alex Chaihorsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles,alt.society.liberalism,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day.
Date: 15 Apr 2001 19:12:03 GMT
Reply-To: "Alex Chaihorsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
"GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> You're a good man Alex... this one probably hangs wallpaper for a
> living.
> He ain't worth it. Kill file him.
Oh, no, no - this is priceless. If the other side has nothing better to
offer - (as you noticed, Professor Erb run away)...
I am having so much fun with this Clockword Commie!
Regards,
Alex Chaihorsky
Reno, NV
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From: Brent R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Re: New directions for kernel development
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 19:15:11 GMT
R Smith wrote:
>
> "Arthur H. Gold" wrote:
> >
> > [Bogus] Linus Torvalds wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > [snip]
> > >
> > > Thank you,
> > > --Linus Torvalds
> >
> > Looks to me that you're about ten days late. That doesn't
> > even work on the Julian calendar.
> >
>
> I'm sure the stupid fuckwit typed as fast as he could.
It was funny because it was true.
--
- Brent
http://rotten168.home.att.net
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From: Brent R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Re: New directions for kernel development
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 19:16:05 GMT
ChromeDome wrote:
>
> Brent R wrote:
> >
> > Linus Torvalds wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > Recently, I've been thinking a lot about where Linux development
>
> <snip,snip,snip>
>
> > > Thank you,
> > > --Linus Torvalds
> >
> > ROFL.
> >
> > It's sad but true.
> >
> > --
> > - Brent
>
> And you felt compelled to quote the entire @!#$% message for that one
> little inane comment? See signature below.
Yeah, just to rub it in your face a little more.
--
- Brent
http://rotten168.home.att.net
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (webgiant )
Subject: Re: Has Linux anything to offer ?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 19:17:36 GMT
On Mon, 26 Mar 2001 03:50:10 GMT, Brent R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Peter wrote:
>
>Just my opinions here people, please don't flame:
>
>> Has Linux seriously anything to offer the average desktop user?
>
>Not really. To people who like learning things yes, but to your average
>Joe User not really.
Depends on what Joe User has to do to use the OS. If Joe User got the
OS installed from the store, LIKE WINDOZE USERS GET, then Joe User has
quite a lot to gain from the Linux OS.
You can install Linux in such a way that the CLI isn't used for daily
activities, and when it is needed it is used only for those activities
which Joe User would need an A+ certified technician to fix his
computer.
>> Is it really a full operating system for the desktop?
>
>Yep. It's not as seamless as Windows *appears* on the surface though,
>more like a motley conglomeration of apps that all manage to get along
>somehow. It does work though.
Again you approach the question from the "install everything yourself"
angle. If Linux came installed, LIKE WINDOWS, the end user would
still get everything done without ever realizing what is under the
GUI.
>> Does it boot up and shut down quicker than other operating systems?
>
>Hmmm.... not really. But it can depending on how thorough of a startup
>script you write (you control the bootup speed basically).
I've found the startups and shutdowns are more *interesting* than
Windoze. Windoze gives you a big graphic and an undefined moving blue
bar at the bottom of the screen. Things happen without you ever
knowing what they are.
In Linux, Linux describes everything it does while it is starting up
or shutting down. You'd be hard pressed to tell a Windoze technician
where the problem lies if your computer crashed at some point during
the "big graphic screen with the moving blue bar"; but in Linux, you
can tell him that "some program called fsck doesn't like my hard
drive".
As for speed, you can control the startup and shutdown speeds to some
extent, and Linux appears to startup and shutdown somewhat quicker on
the same hardware than a Windoze system. Then again, boredom at
watching a "big graphic screen" can make minutes seem like hours,
whereas meaningful activity onscreen tends to make the time seem like
it goes by faster.
>> Is software for accessing the Web, Email and Newsgroups the best there is
>> available?
>
>An overwhelming resounding "no!" here. Linux is mostly hampered by these
>things IMO. NS for Windows is bad, Netscape for Linux is atrocious. If
>MS ported IE to Linux, it'd be sitting pretty.
You're forgetting Opera, which is now available in both a "free",
ad-sponsored version and the original $39 ad-free version.
Also, I don't see the connection between MS porting IE to Linux and
Linux "sitting pretty". The only difference would be the types of
crashes, not the frequency of them. MS is used to producing code and
then blaming the hardware; the difference being that that approach
will swiftly _not work_ in the case of Linux.
Some distributions even make adding an ISP for the access in the first
place a matter similar to the Windoze Internet Connection Wizard,
taking the inner workings of the ISP connection and making them easier
to understand.
>Linux has got some very powerful text-based mail & news readers, if you
>like that sort of thing (I need my GUI!).
I have a couple X-based mailreaders, but nothing really beats PINE in
a terminal window in terms of E-mail and getting to it quickly.
If you forgo using your ISP-based E-mail address entirely and load up
Opera with a web-based E-mail reader, you've got more features than
you know what to do with, on a system where the OS won't crash while
you compose an E-mail message.
>> Are there more software programs written for the home user in Linux than any
>> other system?
>
>Maybe. If you rephrase your question to good software programs then I'd
>probably say no. Most of the software is amateurish and hackish... with
>a few notable exceptions. It's getting better though...
The unfortunate thing about "more" is that it implies that quanitity
is always better.
Are there decent software programs written for the home user in Linux?
YES!
Office: StarOffice 5.2 (but don't touch OpenOffice w/10ft pole)
http://www.sun.com/
WWW Browser: Opera.
http://www.opera.com/
Graphics: GIMP
http://www.gimp.org/
Games: check Loki software, they're porting games to Linux left and
right, even games they themselves didn't write!
http://www.lokigames.com/
>> Do games and graphical programs run faster and better than on other systems?
>
>No.
Again, depends on the angle. If the game is available, then it does
tend to run faster. I can network a bunch of 486s together and have a
decent Descent network gaming room running Linux, whereas to do the
same in Windoze would require Pentiums and higher.
Going back to the "what would Joe User get if the Linux OS was
installed at the store?", the answer to this question is actually a
Maybe.
>> Are CD-R and CD-RW easier to configure and use with Linux?
>
>No.
This I agree with. Getting an IDE CDRW in under SCSI emulation is a
little tricky in Linux.
Going back to the "what would Joe User get if the Linux OS was
installed at the store?", the answer to this question is actually a
Maybe. After all, Windoze does the same SCSI emulation when it
controls an IDE CDRW, so if the OS was handling the emulation
internally *out of the box*, there would be no difference in
configuring and using CDRs and CDRWs in Linux systems from Windoze
computers.
>> Is the support for Display Cards, DVD, Sound Cards, Large Hard Drives and
>> Printers better?
>
>About the same actually. But that could just be my experience, Linux
>communicates with my hardware beautifully.
Drvier support lags a little behind Windoze, but some companies are
starting to release Linux drivers *at the same time* as their Windoze
drivers. Lexmark, long on the shitlist of the Linux community,
recently redeemed itself by including Linux drivers for its Z32
(right?) printers in the box the product comes in.
>> Is there a really must have program for the home user that is only available
>> in Linux?
>
>Bash, gcc, gdb, grep, awk, sed, piping, redirection, etc. etc.:
>EXCELLENT but also available for Windows.
>
>So, no, not really.
One program comes to mind: a kernel that doesn't CRASH REPEATEDLY and
doesn't require REINSTALLATION about once a year for maximum
stability.
If a kernel can be a "killer app", then yes, there is a "must have
program" which is only available in Linux (and other flavors of UNIX,
but only BSD and Linux are available for the home).
>> Is the fact that Linux is free and used by people who do not want to pay for
>> anything the only reason it is used?
>
>Not at all, most people who use Linux probably have illegal versions of
>"other OS's" sitting around like *cough* *cough*. We don't like to pay
>for shite.
See above about the "doesn't crash" argument in favor of Linux use.
I also like the "you can get a journaling file system without having
to shell out the bucks for Windoze NT or W2K."
The Linux industry grew a little faster thanks to the freebies and the
GPL, but if it wasn't as stable as it is, it wouldn't have grown
beyond the hobbyist market (and it wouldn't be inside W2K...).
>> Finally where would the sales of home computers be today if the only
>> operating system was Linux?
>
>I don't know, probably much lower as it's learning curve is much
>steeper.
Again, depends on the angle. Most Windoze users would be hard pressed
to explain how their systems work, yet they get work done on them.
Why? Pre-installed OS on their systems.
If Linux got to work in the same conditions, the "learning curve"
would be identical to that of Windoze. The CLI is only for those
people who have the inner need to take apart their hammers to see how
they work.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Goldhammer)
Crossposted-To: alt.philosophy.objectivism
Subject: Re: Dave Cutlers Art
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 19:30:05 GMT
On Sun, 15 Apr 2001 18:40:36 GMT, Electric Ninja <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>When you understand the message that each picture is saying, and you set
>aside your biased Linux rhetoric for a few moments, you might actually grin
>in amusement.
http://www.artbank.com/Agency/Artists/Cutler/Cutler1.htm
Cutler's art looks like "corporate" versions of of
Bill Plimpton's cartoons. Ayn Rand would have like it.
--
Don't think you are. Know you are.
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From: "Se�n � Donnchadha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: MS and ISP's
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 15:43:55 -0400
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "Se�n � Donnchadha" wrote:
> >
> > "JS PL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > >
> > > > What is this thing you call "right"? And why should we imagine you
have
> > > > any better idea of what that abstraction pertains to then you do for
> > > > "monopoly", which you've obviously simply made up an almost random
> > > > definition for?
> > >
> > > mo�nop�o�ly
> > > n., pl. mo�nop�o�lies.
> > >
> > > 1.) Exclusive control by one group of the means of producing or
selling a
> > > commodity or service.
> > > 2.) Law. A right granted by a government giving exclusive control over
a
> > > specified commercial activity to a single party.
> > >
> >
> > JS, haven't you learned yet that neither logic, nor dictionary
definitions,
> > nor popular definitions, nor legal terms, nor anything else will stop
idiots
> > like Troll M. Devlin from "thinking harder"? The man is a fucking
*ZEALOT*,
>
> Most people are when dealing with liars such as you.
>
And a big fat "Guffaw" to you, Mr. "Unix Systems Engineer". ROTFL!
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From: "cat < nonsense > cola" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Pete Goodwin is in good company
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 15:54:05 -0400
> I don't think your assertions about KDE are valid any longer. It is rock
> solid stable on my system, and fast too. GNOME is still having some
> stability problems with Nautilus and Ximian support only sparce number
> of dists, and this last GNOME 1.4 release is looking very sloppy.
Gnome is a pig.
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From: unicat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.arch,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Microsoft gets hard
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 16:12:07 -0400
Reply-To: admin@localhost, administrator@exchange
(The folowing are the editorial opinions of the author,
no more no less...)
I recenly saw rumors on some internet chat pages that Linux hackers are already
porting Linux, and Apache, to the Microsoft X-box using Xbox developers kits....
And suddenly, as the ghost of David Bowman says in '2010', "You see, it's all very
clear to me now..."
Microsoft must have realized that Windows is dying, and they are building the basis
for their future as a hardware company. They have to walk a tightrope for now,
because they can't afford to alienate the other hardware vendors quite yet. If they
tip their hand prematurely, someone else might be the first to come out wih a cheap
Linux desktop box and beat Microsoft to market.
But just think of the rumors we have heard recently, with MS recruiting for Linux
developers, and "sightings" of MS Office for Linux being repored all over the
place.
What a brilliant strategy. MS releases a $300 intel PC with 64MB RAM and an 8GB
hard drive. Perfect for a home PC. But they swear up and down that it isn't a PC
because they will NEVER put 'real'
windows on it.And besides, a TV isn't a PC monitor (just ignore that HDTV port on
the back) Nyah-hah-hah. And then.... As soon as the Linux community does their
dirty work for them, MS will just shrug its shoulders, and say, "Well shucks, we
didn't MEAN for this to happen, but now that it has, they will start shipping MS
Office for the new Lin-Xbox, and suddenly Microsoft becomes Microhard.
And Dell, Gateway, and Compaq take it in the shorts for not having a $300 linux box
to compete.
Of course there's a name for companies that trusted Microsoft as a busniess
partner...extinct!
"Somethings about to happen.... something wonderful!"
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