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Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) ("Aaron R.
Kulkis")
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) ("Aaron R.
Kulkis")
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) ("Aaron R.
Kulkis")
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) ("Aaron R.
Kulkis")
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (ZnU)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (ZnU)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (ZnU)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (ZnU)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (ZnU)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (ZnU)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (Eric Bennett)
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 16:50:01 -0400
Roberto Alsina wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" escribi�:
> >
> > Roberto Alsina wrote:
> > >
> > > "Aaron R. Kulkis" escribi�:
> > > >
> > > > Roberto Alsina wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > "Aaron R. Kulkis" escribi�:
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > But the USA is the only country where the leftists have committed
> > > > > > > > to causing societal collapse from within. If the US is weakened,
> > > > > > > > the rest of the world is easily blackmailed.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What exactly are you talking about? The more "leftist" countries, on
> > > > > > > average, have lower poverty rates and better educational systems than we
> > > > > > > do. How do you account for this? Do they simply have fewer of these
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The leftists in THIS country are in collaboration with the leftists
> > > > > > in the other countries. The overall goal is to weaken the US relative
> > > > > > to the other countries, so that the US will become even weaker than
> > > > > > them. Simply put...a large percentage of the education establishment
> > > > > > should be put on trial for treason.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Do you not have a brain capable of figuring this out yourself?
> > > > >
> > > > > Aaron, are you claiming that there is a conspiracy between school
> > > > > teachers in the US, and, say, the french education minister, to
> > > > > make the french students superior to the US ones?
> > > >
> > > > The NEA leadership is overrun with Marxists.
> > >
> > > What's the NEA?
> >
> > National Education Association, the leftist union that controls the
> > teaching establishment.
>
> Then you have not answered my question.
You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink....
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
J: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 16:51:01 -0400
Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
>
> On Mon, 28 Aug 2000 11:25:10 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
>
> >Because to "fix" it European or Oriental style means giving MORE
> >control to the same people who are fucking it up already.
>
> How so ?
Government bureaucrats are the ones who fucked up the schools
in the first place--especially at the Federal level!
>
> --
> Donovan
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
J: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 16:52:42 -0400
Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
>
> On Mon, 28 Aug 2000 11:31:25 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
>
> >> They don't refuse to do so. The problem is that "discipline" doesn't
> >> always work.
> >
> >Then expel them.
>
> Your emphasis on "expelling" people is not going to raise educational
> standards. In short, you seek to raise "performance" statistics by
You don't understand the purpose of punishment, do you.
It serves as a warning to others not to follow in the offenders'
footsteps.
> hiding weaker students from those statistics. In short, this is a scam,
They get counted in the statistics:
"Ill-behaved losers who didn't graduate because they
were kicked out of school"
> because it doesn't do anything to increase the nation's education level.
> It merely makes certain statistics easier to misapply.
>
> >> And then where do they go? Again, if you don't pay for their schooling
> >> now, you'll be paying for their incarceration later.
> >
> >Where they will serve as an example to others.
>
> "serve as an example" ? If the point of the criminal justice system was
> to "make examples" of people, wouldn't it be more effective to publically
> execute them or stone them to death ?
>
> Be aware that the kind of barbarism you are advocating no longer exists
> in civilised countries.
>
> >> What "left-wing indoctrination" would this be? Teaching kids about
> >
> >Global warming and other Eco-leftism
>
> What is wrong with discussing environmental issues in schools ? I don't
> recall any given view being "pushed".
>
> >Pro-homosexuality propaganda
>
> Why are you so strongly opposed to homosexuality ? I notice you offered no
> rebuttal to my argument that your logic points to homosexuality being a
> good thing ( since breeding is not a side effect of homosexual activities )
> So what's the problem, are you just a closet bigot ?
>
> >Socialism
>
> Pffft. Whatever.
>
> --
> Donovan
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
J: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 16:53:38 -0400
Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
>
> On Mon, 28 Aug 2000 11:31:25 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
>
> >> They don't refuse to do so. The problem is that "discipline" doesn't
> >> always work.
> >
> >Then expel them.
>
> Your emphasis on "expelling" people is not going to raise educational
> standards. In short, you seek to raise "performance" statistics by
> hiding weaker students from those statistics. In short, this is a scam,
> because it doesn't do anything to increase the nation's education level.
> It merely makes certain statistics easier to misapply.
>
> >> And then where do they go? Again, if you don't pay for their schooling
> >> now, you'll be paying for their incarceration later.
> >
> >Where they will serve as an example to others.
>
> "serve as an example" ? If the point of the criminal justice system was
> to "make examples" of people, wouldn't it be more effective to publically
> execute them or stone them to death ?
>
> Be aware that the kind of barbarism you are advocating no longer exists
> in civilised countries.
>
> >> What "left-wing indoctrination" would this be? Teaching kids about
> >
> >Global warming and other Eco-leftism
>
> What is wrong with discussing environmental issues in schools ? I don't
> recall any given view being "pushed".
Pushing LIES is directly contrary to the purpose of education.
>
> >Pro-homosexuality propaganda
>
> Why are you so strongly opposed to homosexuality ? I notice you offered no
Ever hear of AIDS?
> rebuttal to my argument that your logic points to homosexuality being a
> good thing ( since breeding is not a side effect of homosexual activities )
> So what's the problem, are you just a closet bigot ?
>
> >Socialism
>
> Pffft. Whatever.
>
> --
> Donovan
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
J: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: ZnU <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 21:17:23 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Aug 2000 03:43:36 GMT,
> ZnU, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, brought forth the
> following words...:
>
> >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Joe
> >Ragosta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> > The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > [1] AFDC comprised only 8% of the federal budget, IIRC.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Let's see. 8% of $1.7 trillion is $136 BILLION. Or $500 for every
> >> man, woman, and child in the U.S.
> >>
> >> Not to mention the billions being spent by the states, as well.
> >>
> >> And the other welfare programs.
> >>
> >> "Only" 8%, indeed.
> >
> >What do you pay in taxes? Take 8% of that. Ask yourself if it's
> >worth that amount to prevent millions of children from starving to
> >death.
>
> Why do you assume they would starve? when less than 25% actually goes
> to them (the rest getting eaten up in admin costs, mostly beauracrat
> salaries)
Government is complex stuff. Without the bureaucrat salaries that 25%
(if that's the real figure) wouldn't get to those people.
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From: ZnU <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 21:21:19 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ZnU wrote:
> >
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, 27 Aug 2000 21:30:33 GMT, ZnU wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >That private school gets to pick who it accepts, right? Will it
> > > > >take kids with serious learning disabilities? Behavioral/emotional
> > > > >problems? Below average intelligence? You can't just leave these
> > > > >people out of the system; if you don't do your best to educate
> > > > >them they'll only be even more of a burden on society later.
> > > >
> > > > I'd like to develop this line of reasoning further. Kulkis seems to
> > > > be trying to sell us on an exclusivist system. He points out that
> > > > exclusive schools(1) display better performance. But his arguments
> > > > fall short on two counts:
> > > >
> > > > (a) Excluding certain groups will not result in a
> > > > better-educated
> > > > population. All it does is hide the less capable from view
> > > > of educational stats ( like SAT scores ). In short, it's a
> > > > stats-scam.
> > > >
> > > > (b) It's not even obvious that the more gifted students would
> > > > benefit
> > > > from exclusionist practices. You'd need to show that *the
> > > > same students* would have done worse under a less
> > > > exclusionist system.
> > > >
> > > > In short, Kulkis's exclusionist vision has an agenda of hiding the
> > > > less able from the statistics, rather than actually improving the
> > > > quality of education.
> > > >
> > > > (1) By this, I mean schools with a self-selected population.
> > > > This includes Catholic schools, not just snob-value schools.
> > >
> > >
> > > So your proposal is.... stick with the current system which is not
> > > merely failing, but failing catastrophically.
> >
> > You admit that public education systems in other countries are much
> > better than ours. Why do you insist the only way to fix education in
> > this country is to privatize it?
>
> Because to "fix" it European or Oriental style means giving MORE
> control to the same people who are fucking it up already.
>
> Is any of this getting through to you?
You're complaining that public education doesn't work, and to prove your
point you're pointing out that public education works much better in
countries that take all the steps the "leftists" want to take here. From
this you conclude the "leftists" are wrong and the only solution is
privatization. Huh?
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From: ZnU <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 21:30:47 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ZnU wrote:
> >
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > ZnU wrote:
> > > >
> > > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Joe
> > > > Ragosta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > ZnU wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Mike Marion
> > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Perry Pip wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > And you want my taxes to pay for vouchers for that shit?
> > > > > > > > > No way.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > As someone who started out in public schools, then switched
> > > > > > > > to private school, I can say without a doubt that the
> > > > > > > > education I got at the private school was _much_ better
> > > > > > > > then I could've gotten in the public system. My parents
> > > > > > > > sacrificed a lot for my sister and I (and we both let them
> > > > > > > > know that we appreciate what they did) to go to private
> > > > > > > > school. I have plenty of friends that went to public
> > > > > > > > school that wish they could've also gone to private school
> > > > > > > > and talk about how bad they were/are.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It depends where you live. In rich suburbs, the public
> > > > > > > schools are of very high quality. They're properly funded. In
> > > > > > > inner cities, they're woefully underfunded, and they're
> > > > > > > horrible.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > BTW, I think the proper system would be to give a tax
> > > > > > > > credit for someone that sends their kids to private
> > > > > > > > schools.. which wouldn't cost you anything in taxes.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The solution is to properly fund inner city schools, not
> > > > > > > drain even more money away from them.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The city of Detroit spends $11,000 per pupil...almost TRIPLE
> > > > > > what many private schools spend.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And yet, the Detroit Public Schools are among the worst in the
> > > > > > country.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > The small private school my kids used to go to cost $3,300 per
> > > > > student. I believe the tuition was about half the expense (an
> > > > > endowment paid the rest). So, for $6,600 per student, we got
> > > > > class sizes of no more than 20 students, quite adequate
> > > > > facilities, and an education that put the kids (on average) at
> > > > > about the 75th percentile, based on SAT scores.
> > > > >
> > > > > It's not about money.
> > > >
> > > > That private school gets to pick who it accepts, right? Will it
> > > > take kids with serious learning disabilities? Behavioral/emotional
> > > > problems?
> > >
> > > The public schools have the SAME abilities...only, the refuse to
> > > exercise them.
> > >
> > > The public schools can discipline those who are disruptive in the
> > > classroom offenders...but they refuse to do so.
> >
> > They don't refuse to do so. The problem is that "discipline" doesn't
> > always work.
>
> Then expel them.
And then pay to have them sit in jail. Which is much more expensive.
Smart.
> > > The public schools can expel those who disrupt the school, but they
> > > refuse to do so.
> >
> > And then where do they go? Again, if you don't pay for their schooling
> > now, you'll be paying for their incarceration later.
>
> Where they will serve as an example to others.
If it were that simple, there wouldn't be kids causing trouble in school
right now.
> > > Hoisted by their own petards.
> > >
> > >
> > > Actually, it's the tax-paying public who is paying for an K-12
> > > "education" but the money is instead being used for left-wing
> > > indoctrination.
> >
> > What "left-wing indoctrination" would this be? Teaching kids about
>
> Global warming and other Eco-leftism
Global warming is not "Eco-leftism" any more than quantum mechanics is.
> Pro-homosexuality propaganda
Examples?
> Socialism
Examples? Most school history texts I've seen have an
American/capitalist bias, actually.
> > sharing, tolerance and social responsibility? Yeah! That's downright
> > Communist!
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From: ZnU <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 21:31:50 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Donovan Rebbechi) wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Aug 2000 11:31:25 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
>
> >> They don't refuse to do so. The problem is that "discipline"
> >> doesn't always work.
> >
> >Then expel them.
>
> Your emphasis on "expelling" people is not going to raise educational
> standards. In short, you seek to raise "performance" statistics by
> hiding weaker students from those statistics. In short, this is a
> scam, because it doesn't do anything to increase the nation's
> education level. It merely makes certain statistics easier to
> misapply.
>
> >> And then where do they go? Again, if you don't pay for their
> >> schooling now, you'll be paying for their incarceration later.
> >
> >Where they will serve as an example to others.
>
> "serve as an example" ? If the point of the criminal justice system
> was to "make examples" of people, wouldn't it be more effective to
> publically execute them or stone them to death ?
>
> Be aware that the kind of barbarism you are advocating no longer
> exists in civilised countries.
>
> >> What "left-wing indoctrination" would this be? Teaching kids about
> >
> >Global warming and other Eco-leftism
>
> What is wrong with discussing environmental issues in schools ? I
> don't recall any given view being "pushed".
>
> >Pro-homosexuality propaganda
>
> Why are you so strongly opposed to homosexuality ? I notice you
> offered no rebuttal to my argument that your logic points to
> homosexuality being a good thing ( since breeding is not a side
> effect of homosexual activities ) So what's the problem, are you just
> a closet bigot ?
Closet? He looks pretty open to me.
> >Socialism
>
> Pffft. Whatever.
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From: ZnU <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 21:36:44 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, 28 Aug 2000 11:31:25 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
> >
> > >> They don't refuse to do so. The problem is that "discipline"
> > >> doesn't always work.
> > >
> > >Then expel them.
> >
> > Your emphasis on "expelling" people is not going to raise
> > educational standards. In short, you seek to raise "performance"
> > statistics by hiding weaker students from those statistics. In
> > short, this is a scam, because it doesn't do anything to increase
> > the nation's education level. It merely makes certain statistics
> > easier to misapply.
> >
> > >> And then where do they go? Again, if you don't pay for their
> > >> schooling now, you'll be paying for their incarceration later.
> > >
> > >Where they will serve as an example to others.
> >
> > "serve as an example" ? If the point of the criminal justice system
> > was to "make examples" of people, wouldn't it be more effective to
> > publically execute them or stone them to death ?
> >
> > Be aware that the kind of barbarism you are advocating no longer
> > exists in civilised countries.
> >
> > >> What "left-wing indoctrination" would this be? Teaching kids
> > >> about
> > >
> > >Global warming and other Eco-leftism
> >
> > What is wrong with discussing environmental issues in schools ? I
> > don't recall any given view being "pushed".
>
> Pushing LIES is directly contrary to the purpose of education.
Why are all those scientists telling lies?
> > >Pro-homosexuality propaganda
> >
> > Why are you so strongly opposed to homosexuality ? I notice you
> > offered no
>
> Ever hear of AIDS?
AIDS spreads just as well or better though heterosexual sex. Some of the
countries with the highest AIDS rates in the world have virtually no
homosexuality.
But of course here again science must be wrong because you say so.
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From: ZnU <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 21:39:19 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Roberto Alsina wrote:
> >
> > "Aaron R. Kulkis" escribi�:
> > >
> > > Roberto Alsina wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "Aaron R. Kulkis" escribi�:
> > > >
> > > > > > > But the USA is the only country where the leftists have
> > > > > > > committed to causing societal collapse from within. If
> > > > > > > the US is weakened, the rest of the world is easily
> > > > > > > blackmailed.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What exactly are you talking about? The more "leftist"
> > > > > > countries, on average, have lower poverty rates and better
> > > > > > educational systems than we do. How do you account for
> > > > > > this? Do they simply have fewer of these
> > > > >
> > > > > The leftists in THIS country are in collaboration with the
> > > > > leftists in the other countries. The overall goal is to
> > > > > weaken the US relative to the other countries, so that the US
> > > > > will become even weaker than them. Simply put...a large
> > > > > percentage of the education establishment should be put on
> > > > > trial for treason.
> > > > >
> > > > > Do you not have a brain capable of figuring this out
> > > > > yourself?
> > > >
> > > > Aaron, are you claiming that there is a conspiracy between
> > > > school teachers in the US, and, say, the french education
> > > > minister, to make the french students superior to the US ones?
> > >
> > > The NEA leadership is overrun with Marxists.
> >
> > What's the NEA?
>
> National Education Association, the leftist union that controls the
> teaching establishment.
>
> Read any of their publications, and it is quite obvious that they are
> a bunch of Marxists.
I'm sure you can quote some of this Marxist literature for us here.
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From: Eric Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 17:43:08 -0400
Jason McNorton wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Said Chad Irby in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
> > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Said Chad Irby in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
> > > >>
> > > >> >Note that the two major US sub disasters of the last half-century
> > > >> >occurred in deeper waters, and were over in a couple of seconds.
> > > >>
> > > >> Well, that's the story you heard, at least. When and where were they,
> > > >> precisely?
> > > >
> > > >Start with the Thresher.
> > > >
> > > >It's interesting how you know so much about submarine accidents, but
> > > >don't know about either of the two major American ones of the last
> > > >half-century...
> > >
> > > What made you think I knew anything specific about submarine accidents?
> > > I posted on emotional refutation against somebody's contention that they
> > > were, essentially, quick and painless, as I read it.
> >
> > So, IOW, you don't know what you're talking about, but you don't mind
> > spewing your feelings as if they're supposed to replace facts.
>
> This is, afterall, usenet.. It's not a court of law where you're under
> oath. Who cares if he wants to speak emotional opinions or not.
Unless they happen to deal with emotional opinions about computers.
Then you criticise people for having "emotional attachments" to
computers.
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