Linux-Advocacy Digest #714, Volume #28 Mon, 28 Aug 00 19:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (Eric
Bennett)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (david
raoul derbes)
Re: Linux..a trip down memory lane.. (Douglas D. Anderson)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (david
raoul derbes)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (Eric
Bennett)
Re: Windows stability: Alternate shells? (R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard ))
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (david
raoul derbes)
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From: Eric Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 18:09:40 -0400
ZnU wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
> > >
> > > On Mon, 28 Aug 2000 11:31:25 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
> > >
> > > >> They don't refuse to do so. The problem is that "discipline"
> > > >> doesn't always work.
> > > >
> > > >Then expel them.
> > >
> > > Your emphasis on "expelling" people is not going to raise
> > > educational standards. In short, you seek to raise "performance"
> > > statistics by hiding weaker students from those statistics. In
> > > short, this is a scam, because it doesn't do anything to increase
> > > the nation's education level. It merely makes certain statistics
> > > easier to misapply.
> > >
> > > >> And then where do they go? Again, if you don't pay for their
> > > >> schooling now, you'll be paying for their incarceration later.
> > > >
> > > >Where they will serve as an example to others.
> > >
> > > "serve as an example" ? If the point of the criminal justice system
> > > was to "make examples" of people, wouldn't it be more effective to
> > > publically execute them or stone them to death ?
> > >
> > > Be aware that the kind of barbarism you are advocating no longer
> > > exists in civilised countries.
> > >
> > > >> What "left-wing indoctrination" would this be? Teaching kids
> > > >> about
> > > >
> > > >Global warming and other Eco-leftism
> > >
> > > What is wrong with discussing environmental issues in schools ? I
> > > don't recall any given view being "pushed".
> >
> > Pushing LIES is directly contrary to the purpose of education.
>
> Why are all those scientists telling lies?
Haven't you learned to anticipate the answer to these sorts of questions
by now? They must be part of a left-wing conspiracy, just like
teachers.
But I think it's clear that there are environmentalists out there who
look at certain scientific measurements or trends and draw unjustified
conclusions about causality. Likewise there are people on the other
side who pretend that even the measurements don't exist.
--
Eric Bennett ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; http://www.pobox.com/~ericb )
Field of Biochemistry, Cornell University
I have no idea what you're talking about when you say "ask".
- Bill Gates, in his deposition in US v. Microsoft
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Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (david raoul derbes)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 22:14:22 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Roberto Alsina wrote:
>> > > Aaron, are you claiming that there is a conspiracy between school
>> > > teachers in the US, and, say, the french education minister, to
>> > > make the french students superior to the US ones?
>> >
>> > The NEA leadership is overrun with Marxists.
>>
>> What's the NEA?
>
>National Education Association, the leftist union that controls the
>teaching establishment.
>
>Read any of their publications, and it is quite obvious that they are
>a bunch of Marxists.
I am a high school teacher, and a member of the American Federation of
Teachers (another teacher's union, to the left of the NEA.)
I confess, I am a Marxist, in fact, a Marxist-Lennonist. My heroes are
Groucho, Harpo and John. And to quote the great Marx,
"Outside of a dog, a man's best friend is a book. Inside a dog, it's
too dark to read."
"Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana."
"Hello, I must be going..."
David ['Vperyod revolyutsaia!'] Derbes
[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>
>
>>
>> --
>> Roberto Alsina
>
>
>--
>Aaron R. Kulkis
>Unix Systems Engineer
>ICQ # 3056642
>
>I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> you are lazy, stupid people"
>
>J: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
>
>A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
>
>B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
>
>C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
> sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
> that she doesn't like.
>
>D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
>
>E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> ...despite (D) above.
>
>F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
> response until their behavior improves.
>
>G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
>
>H: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Douglas D. Anderson)
Subject: Re: Linux..a trip down memory lane..
Date: 28 Aug 2000 22:22:22 GMT
In article <R9lq5.7907$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> "Douglas D. Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:8occ1d$s1s$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Windows95 was the first MS OS to finally utilize multi-tasking and
>> networking functions which had been developed in UNIX in the 1970's,
>> and from what I've heard, Win2000 might finally be stable, but not
>> enough data on that yet.
>
> Wrong. Windows 95 was released in 1995. Windows NT 3.1 was released in
> 1993, which was fully multi-tasking and SMP, it also included TCP/IP.
>
> OS/2 (written mostly by MS, partially by IBM) was released in 1987. It had
> full muti-tasking (though no SMP) and network support.
Wrong. I said MS OS, first of all,
task-swapping time-sharing occured to a lame and limited extent in WIN 3.1,
yet that was a shell, not an OS, and while Xenix was made for the PC, it
was not practical, being expensive, hard to get, and too much ahead of
its time for the hardware available.
>
> BTW, TCP/IP was not developed on Unix.
Here you're being picayune: while ARPANET was prototyped on VAX VMS, that
only lasted a time period in months, it was only a very brief time before
the pratical implementation of UNIX on VAX occured and the military made
the *practical* implementation of ARPANET/ TCP/IP in a UNIX environment.
On VAX machines.
>
>> I see you're using Agent, what's wrong with Outlook? <heh>.
>
> Outlook is not a news reader (outlook express is, but it's not nearly as
> feature rich as Agent is). Why would you even suggest such a thing, if you
> knew what you were talking about?
You, Sir, are the one who wmissed the boat here, the original poster was
bragging up MS software... Forte is Forte, MS is MS. Of course Agent is
feature rich, and probably runs a lot better than the MS offerings...
I chose Outlook as an example, because it is a real cluncker, a resource
hog that takes up the whole system about 30 seconds just to unload,
(Please Wait While Outlook Exits... hah!)
>
>> Browsers started in UNIX, "Mosaic" was the first, then Netscape a year
> later,
>
> More than a year later. Mosaic was released in 1991 (IIRC) while Netscape
> wasn't even a company until 1994.
Wrong.
First official release of Mosaic 1.0 was November 1993... at least you got
the year for Netscape right. (This info is readily available with a simple
search of the web, if anyone cares to see if Erik is a few bricks short).
>
>> MS Windows *is* a pretty platform for gamers and accountants, but it is
>> totally lame for computing. E.g., Fortran is the only language which can
>> handle higher math readily, and is still used by scientists in preference
>> to any other, and it comes free with Linux, as does Pascal, C, C++,
>> and gui development environments,
>
> Apparently you don't realize that since all those tools are open source,
> they are also available for Windows. This is where the argument typically
> breaks down. Due to the nature of open source software, *ANYTHING* you
> have, Windows can have. But the reverse is not true.
I do realize this, I've been using MS OS's since release 2.1 of DOS,
the point was the superiority of Microsoft, not OEM add-ons.
>
>> and if I want to run network tools
>> like ntp, traceroute, whois, finger, telnet, etc., I can do it right from
>> the bash prompt, but have to pay for utilities such as NWPS's NetScanTools
>> to do the same in Windows...
>
> Sorry, a stock Win95 machine has traceroute, telnet, and several other
> commands. It doesn't have whois or finger (both of which are virtually
> useless today anyways due to dialup services) but the same GNU tools are
> available for free for Windows.
human:~ # finger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[visi.com/209.98.98.8]
Login name: erikf In real life: Erik Funkenbusch
Directory: /home/erikf Shell: /bin/msh
Never logged in.
New mail received Mon Aug 28 16:50:40 2000;
unread since Mon Aug 28 14:47:00 2000
No Plan.
human:~ # whois visi.com
Registrant:
Vector Internet Services, Inc (VISI-DOM)
12 South 6th Street
Suite 250
Minneapolis, MN 55402
US
Domain Name: VISI.COM
Administrative Contact:
Angen, Allan R (ARA10) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Vector Internet Services Inc.
12 South 6th Street
Suite M115
Minneapolis, MN 55402
612-288-0880 (FAX) 612-288-0889
Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
Domain Hostmaster (DH-ORG) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
VISI.com
12 S 6th St Suite M115
Minneapolis, MN 55402
US
612-288-0880
Fax - 612-288-0889
Billing Contact:
Billing, Vector (VB79) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Vector Internet Services Inc.
12 South Sixth Street
Suite 250
Minneapolis, MN 55402
612-288-0880 (FAX) 612-288-0889
Record last updated on 26-Sep-1998.
Record expires on 24-Nov-2000.
Record created on 23-Nov-1994.
Database last updated on 28-Aug-2000 01:24:23 EDT.
Domain servers in listed order:
NS.VISI.COM 209.98.98.1
NS2.VISI.COM 206.124.0.33
I'm aware of what 95 has, because I can boot it on this machine, and have
had it since it came out, but the implimentations are lame and buggy.
GNU tools are GNU tools, not MS.
>
>> and even then, whois under Windows is Lame,
>> doesn't work like it does under UNIX/Linux, and even starting up a ppp
>> link, takes a couple of seconds with Linux, compared to a minute or
>> two with Windows, which has to thrash through Winsock, when Linux talks
>> directly to the net.
>
> It takes 5 seconds to simply *DIAL* a modem. It takes another 2-10 seconds
> or so for phone company to connect the call and begin a ring, once the modem
> answer it takes 10-15 seconds for the modems to negotiate. That's 17-30
> seconds of unavoidable, physical time relating to dialing up an ISP. There
> is no way that Linux or any other OS could reduce that time to "a couple of
> seconds".
Bullshit, first this is an exageration...in anycase my ISP *is* the
phone company, and their modem starts talking immediately, no ringing,
It takes about 2 seconds to turn on the modem, 2 seconds to dial and
1 second to connect. It takes about 5 seconds for the modems to synch up.
My '95 Network configuration is correct, and it still takes a conspicuously
longer time to negotiate PPP, and often fails, (BTW, I'm using Winsock 2)
Linux negotiates PPP in an eigth to a tenth of the time (I'm using wvdial)
and has yet to fail.
This is apparently a common occurance, judging by common reports
from other users in the frontiernet newsgroups.
(For the hell of it, I logged off, and back on-- from the time of having
hit <Enter> with wvdial at the bash prompt, PPP was open and running in
19 seconds, negotiating PPP took about 8 seconds, which, granted, is a bit more
than a couple, but a whole lot less than your '17 seconds to dial up'...
in fact, two more seconds than that to be up and running.
__________________________________________________________________________
Aug 28 17:38:51 human pppd[1093]: pppd 2.3.11 started by root, uid 0
Aug 28 17:38:51 human pppd[1093]: Perms of /dev/ttyS2 are ok, no 'mesg n' necces
ary.
Aug 28 17:38:51 human pppd[1093]: speed 157000 not supported
Aug 28 17:38:51 human pppd[1093]: Using interface ppp0
Aug 28 17:38:51 human pppd[1093]: Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/ttyS2
Aug 28 17:38:51 human pppd[1093]: sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 <asyncmap 0x0> <magic
0xafe335a4> <pcomp> <accomp>]
Aug 28 17:38:54 human pppd[1093]: sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 <asyncmap 0x0> <magic
0xafe335a4> <pcomp> <accomp>]
Aug 28 17:38:56 human pppd[1093]: rcvd [LCP ConfReq id=0xda <asyncmap 0xa0000> <
auth pap> <magic 0x38d396ba> <pcomp> <accomp> < 11 04 05 f4> < 13 0b 01 72 6f 63
2d 73 67 62 70>]
Aug 28 17:38:56 human pppd[1093]: sent [LCP ConfRej id=0xda < 11 04 05 f4> < 130b 01
72 6f 63 2d 73 67 62 70>]
Aug 28 17:38:56 human pppd[1093]: rcvd [LCP ConfReq id=0xdb <asyncmap 0xa0000> <
auth pap> <magic 0x38d396ba> <pcomp> <accomp>]
Aug 28 17:38:56 human pppd[1093]: sent [LCP ConfAck id=0xdb <asyncmap 0xa0000> <
auth pap> <magic 0x38d396ba> <pcomp> <accomp>]
Aug 28 17:38:57 human pppd[1093]: sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 <asyncmap 0x0> <magic
0xafe335a4> <pcomp> <accomp>]
Aug 28 17:38:57 human pppd[1093]: rcvd [LCP ConfReq id=0xdc <asyncmap 0xa0000> <
auth pap> <magic 0x38d3a276> <pcomp> <accomp> < 11 04 05 f4> < 13 0b 01 72 6f 63
2d 73 67 62 70>]
Aug 28 17:38:57 human pppd[1093]: sent [LCP ConfRej id=0xdc < 11 04 05 f4> < 13 0b 01
72 6f 63 2d 73 67 62 70>]
Aug 28 17:38:57 human pppd[1093]: rcvd [LCP ConfAck id=0x1 <asyncmap 0x0> <magic
0xafe335a4> <pcomp> <accomp>]
Aug 28 17:38:57 human pppd[1093]: rcvd [LCP ConfReq id=0xdd <asyncmap 0xa0000> <
auth pap> <magic 0x38d3a276> <pcomp> <accomp>]
<addr 206.57.106.33>]
Aug 28 17:38:58 human pppd[1093]: sent [IPCP ConfAck id=0xd8 <compress VJ 0f 00> <addr
206.57.106.33>]
Aug 28 17:38:58 human pppd[1093]: rcvd [IPCP ConfNak id=0x1 <addr 209.130.220.153>
<ms-dns1 209.130.136.2> <ms-dns3 209.130.139.2>]
Aug 28 17:38:58 human pppd[1093]: sent [IPCP ConfReq id=0x2 <addr 209.130.220.153>
<compress VJ 0f 01> <ms-dns1 209.130.136.2> <ms-dns3 209.130.139.2>]
Aug 28 17:38:58 human pppd[1093]: rcvd [LCP ProtRej id=0xde 80 fd 01 01 00 0f 1a 04 78
00 18 04 78 00 15 03 2f]
Aug 28 17:38:58 human pppd[1093]: rcvd [IPCP ConfAck id=0x2 <addr 209.130.220.153>
<compress VJ 0f 01> <ms-dns1 209.130.136.2> <ms-dns3 209.130.139.2>]
Aug 28 17:38:58 human pppd[1093]: local IP address 209.130.220.153
Aug 28 17:38:58 human pppd[1093]: remote IP address 206.57.106.33
Aug 28 17:38:58 human pppd[1093]: primary DNS address 209.130.136.2
Aug 28 17:38:58 human pppd[1093]: secondary DNS address 209.130.139.2
Aug 28 17:38:58 human pppd[1093]: Script /etc/ppp/ip-up started (pid 1094)
Aug 28 17:38:59 human ip-up: Modified /etc/resolv.conf for DNS at ppp0
Aug 28 17:38:59 human pppd[1093]: Script /etc/ppp/ip-up finished (pid 1094), status =
0x0
___________________________________________________
>
> Once past that time, a Windows PPP session may take more or less time
> depending on your configuration. If you have IPX/SPX, Netbeui, and "Log
> onto network" checked, then it takes time for Windows to figure out that
> these services are not available. If you instead, configure it correctly,
> it initiates the PPP session immediately. Even so, configured in the worst
> possible way, it doesn't take 2 minutes.
>
> Furthermore, Linux doesn't "talk directly to the net". It also has a
> sockets library it must use. Apparently, you don't uderstand what a TCP/IP
> stack is.
Apparently you're an idiot... sockets are compiled into the UNIX kernal
and inetd creates and destroys server daemons in the background as needed,
it doesn't utilize an external sockets 'library' in the same way as windows,
when I said said Linux talks directly to the net, I of course mean that
because TCP/IP is an integral part of the kernal, there is a lot less overhead.
And , the original poster was talking
about MS, not OEM, don't bring up the stuff about GNU again... that's a
dead issue.
>
>>Well, don't let me bore you, get back to your games. BTW, you might
>> want to try out Outlook, and do a report on that.
>
> You might want to figure out what you're talking about first.
BTW, why is your ISP running UNIX (apparently Solaris (2.7?))and not Windows?
English must not be your first language, you're the one having trouble
figuring it out.
>
>
>
>
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Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (david raoul derbes)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 22:25:28 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Donovan Rebbechi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On 28 Aug 2000 08:27:23 -0600, Craig Kelley wrote:
>>"Joe R." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>>> My kids' old school took a number of below average students and a few
>>> with behavioral problems. They also offered scholarships to a number of
>>> kids and had a policy not to turn down kids who were otherwise
>>> acceptable but couldn't afford to pay.
>>
>>That's impossible. Only the federal government cares about disabled
>>children, private citizens only want to trample them on their way to
>>the top.
>
>I believe he is talking about a Catholic school. Catholics are IME known to
>display a social conscience from time to time, so this doesn't really
>surprise me.
Well, speaking as (a) a Catholic and (b) a teacher at a private school
which is not affiliated with any faith, let me say the following:
Not only Catholic (or indeed, parochial schools of any faith) schools
try to find money for promising students, and try to attract students
who are not necessarily the most able.
To be sure, these laudable aims are often within a religious context.
But they don't have to be. Most private schools will at least appear
to be charitable and open-minded. There are various evaluative organizations
which every few years will have a very close look at a school in their
district: the curriculum, the teaching staff, the admissions policies,
the record of getting students into colleges, you name it. Even the
cafeteria. The works.
A private school that got a reputation as a place where diversity
(including intellectual ability) was not at least apparently welcomed,
would do very badly in these visits, and eventually would have a hard
time attracting principals and faculty, not to mention discriminating
parents.
It's really very bad business to be narrow-minded, and poisonous to
be bigoted. It's also not very pleasant to work in such environments.
Your Mileage May Vary.
David Derbes [[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>
>--
>Donovan
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From: Eric Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 18:25:21 -0400
ZnU wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Roberto Alsina wrote:
> > >
> > > "Aaron R. Kulkis" escribi�:
> > > >
> > > > Roberto Alsina wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > "Aaron R. Kulkis" escribi�:
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > But the USA is the only country where the leftists have
> > > > > > > > committed to causing societal collapse from within. If
> > > > > > > > the US is weakened, the rest of the world is easily
> > > > > > > > blackmailed.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What exactly are you talking about? The more "leftist"
> > > > > > > countries, on average, have lower poverty rates and better
> > > > > > > educational systems than we do. How do you account for
> > > > > > > this? Do they simply have fewer of these
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The leftists in THIS country are in collaboration with the
> > > > > > leftists in the other countries. The overall goal is to
> > > > > > weaken the US relative to the other countries, so that the US
> > > > > > will become even weaker than them. Simply put...a large
> > > > > > percentage of the education establishment should be put on
> > > > > > trial for treason.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Do you not have a brain capable of figuring this out
> > > > > > yourself?
> > > > >
> > > > > Aaron, are you claiming that there is a conspiracy between
> > > > > school teachers in the US, and, say, the french education
> > > > > minister, to make the french students superior to the US ones?
> > > >
> > > > The NEA leadership is overrun with Marxists.
> > >
> > > What's the NEA?
> >
> > National Education Association, the leftist union that controls the
> > teaching establishment.
> >
> > Read any of their publications, and it is quite obvious that they are
> > a bunch of Marxists.
>
> I'm sure you can quote some of this Marxist literature for us here.
Hey, he said read "any" of their publications. So how about this one,
selected at random:
http://www.nea.org/helpfrom/connecting/tools/study.html
Why, it's just seething with propaganda! Take this, for example:
"The time arranged for study should occur at the same time each day.
Most children, like adults, are creatures of habit. When they get used
to doing something at the same time each day, it becomes easier to
remember and do rather than if it occurs at different times each day."
Obviously the goal here is to make children easy prey for left-wing
indoctrination by making them used to conditioning from external
sources. And this:
"Three or four small goals that your child can attain one by one work
better than one large goal. Check off each goal as it is completed.
Every time your child checks off a goal, it will give him or her a sense
of accomplishment and satisfaction."
What does this teach children? Not to set high goals and high standards
for themselves, so that they will become dependent on the welfare state
and help to perpetuate it! And this:
"While it may seem time-consuming and awkward at first, once your child
learns how to make up and seek answers to questions while studying, the
task becomes more interesting, fun, and more understandable and
meaningful. It is not critical which questions your child asks. But it
is essential that he or she ask questions because this will promote an
active, involved, and thinking approach to studying."
This encourages children to question authority, and to revolt...
obviously a tactic to prepare children for participation in a worldwide
communist insurrection. (Now, you might say this is contradictory to
the first point made about about being submissive, but you'd be wrong.
You see, they first have to make the children submissive to their
rhetoric before the children can be programmed with rhetoric about
revolt.) Or how about this:
"Organize important facts and information into categories whenever
possible. The process of putting things into categories can help your
child recognize, understand, and remember essential information."
This the NEA advocates because it makes the children more likely to see
the world in terms of class ("category") warfare, rich against poor.
Why, it's an air-tight case! What more proof do you need?
--
Eric Bennett ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; http://www.pobox.com/~ericb )
Field of Biochemistry, Cornell University
I have no idea what you're talking about when you say "ask".
- Bill Gates, in his deposition in US v. Microsoft
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From: R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard ) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows stability: Alternate shells?
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 22:21:12 GMT
In article <8ob9mp$nis$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Aug 3900 06:37:23, R.E.Ballard ( Rex
> Ballard ) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> << mucho snippage >>
>
> > . . . . . . . . . The one critical requirement was that
the entire OS
> > had to be available in Source code format because problems needed
> > to be FIXED in a very short period of time. When a bug affected
> > one machine, it usually hit all of them very quickly. The bug
> > had to be fixed before multiple machines were lost.
> >
> > In one case, after an operator had taken down the system 3 times
> > (we had ways of finding these things out) we paid him $500 cash
> > to show us what he did. We fixed the bug in 7 hours.
>
> Letsee, a debugging team sent by Management needs
> to bribe a mere factotum into retracing his
> robo-motions? Was this somehow involved with an
> ongoing worker solidarity (union action)
Actually, we sent a team of programmers out there to see if they
could figure out what the operators were doing. While we were there,
casually observing, one of operators mentioned, during the break,
that -for $50- he'd give everybody a 15 minute break. About 5
operators chipped in, including our programmer.
The programmer observed this particular operator from a distance
and saw that sure enough, he was taking the system down. The team
discussed it, and the senior member of the team (a manager) somehow
came up with $500 cash, and offered the guy $500 (and his job) to
show the team exactly what they did.
> Hey, I'm willing to allow a god bit of dramatic
> license, but as a dues-paying Union member way
> back when, I'm just having trouble visualizing the
> scene.
This was 1982. Rochester Telephone. There were CWA workers at
the keyboards.
> My apologies for the interjection into another
> fascinating view of the cyber-beast of OS's. A
> keeper as usual.
>
> >
> > --
> > Rex Ballard - I/T Architect, MIS Director
> > Linux Advocate, Internet Pioneer
> > http://www.open4success.com
> > Linux - 42 million satisfied users worldwide
> > and growing at over 5%/month! (recalibrated 8/2/00)
>
> Vacuo
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> ~~~~~~~
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> Tron power!
>
>
--
Rex Ballard - I/T Architect, MIS Director
Linux Advocate, Internet Pioneer
http://www.open4success.com
Linux - 42 million satisfied users worldwide
and growing at over 5%/month! (recalibrated 8/2/00)
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Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (david raoul derbes)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 22:31:15 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>ZnU wrote:
>> > > Why are you so strongly opposed to homosexuality ? I notice you
>> > > offered no
>> >
>> > Ever hear of AIDS?
>>
>> AIDS spreads just as well or better though heterosexual sex. Some of the
>
>Then where is the much-ballyhood heterosexual explosion of AIDS
>in the US, which the AIDS activists have been predicting for over
>2 decades now.
[much snipped]
>
>Simply put, it *extremely* rare for a man to get AIDS from
>heterosexual sex.
I think that's correct. It is, however, exceedingly common for a
woman to get AIDS from heterosexual sex.
While we're at it, I am not sure if there has ever been a case of
a lesbian contracting HIV from another lesbian. Maybe female
homosexuality is the healthiest form of sex! So, is that OK with you?
David Derbes [[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>>
>> ZnU <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | <http://znu.dhs.org>
>
>
>--
>Aaron R. Kulkis
>Unix Systems Engineer
>ICQ # 3056642
>
>I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> you are lazy, stupid people"
>
>J: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
>
>A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
>
>B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
>
>C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
> sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
> that she doesn't like.
>
>D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
>
>E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> ...despite (D) above.
>
>F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
> response until their behavior improves.
>
>G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
>
>H: Knackos...you're a retard.
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