Linux-Advocacy Digest #208, Volume #29 Tue, 19 Sep 00 11:13:06 EDT
Contents:
Re: filename extensions are NOT a kludge (Nathaniel Jay Lee)
Re: So did they ever find out what makes windows98 freeze up all the (Glitch)
Re: Never tell me again that Windows is easy to install!!! It's a lie! ("Ingemar
Lundin")
Re: Never tell me again that Windows is easy to install!!! It's a lie! ("Stuart
Fox")
Re: [OT] Global warming. (was Public v. Private Schools) ("spiralx")
Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E. Ballard says Linux
growth stagnating (Roberto Alsina)
Re: [OT] Public v. Private Schools ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: [OT] Public v. Private Schools ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: [OT] Global warming. (was Public v. Private Schools) (Jason Bowen)
Re: [OT] Global warming. (was Public v. Private Schools) (chrisv)
Re: So did they ever find out what makes windows98 freeze up all the time? ("Jason
N")
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nathaniel Jay Lee)
Subject: Re: filename extensions are NOT a kludge
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 14:02:05 -0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Richard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spoke thusly:
>Btw, type checking and using magic can be interpreted
>as condescension on the part of software. Certainly, your
>opinion of users demonstrates plenty of condescension.
>Just what the hell is wrong with letting users determine
>the type of an object? Will the system come to a grinding
>halt the way it does if a user executes rm -rf? Is there
>some reason why I shouldn't be allowed to rename
>"list\ of\ songs.text" to "list\ of\ songs.playlist"? Oh,
>that's right, the type is supposed to be determined by
>magic, eh? Get a clue, buddy; what you're proposing is
>flatly impossible!
I hate to jump into this, but I think you've missed
something if you really think it is impossible. BeOS
happens to use a non-extension based system of mime-types.
If you take an MP3 file and rename it 'music.txt' it will
still pull up the MP3 player. As to the user being in
control: You pull up a context menu and you can change the
mime type just by scrolling through a list. At file
creation (in apps that can create more than one type of
file) the same list is available. It isn't as impossible
as you imply. And it isn't a power-trip on the
programmers part.
Personally, I feel this is one of the things that BeOS
does right. There are a lot of clueless users that will
rename files and forget to keep the proper extension on
the file. In this case, a system like what BeOS employs
works wonderfully. And with a click of the mouse you can
change the actual type of the file. No loss of power, no
ridiculous kludges to keep files of the correct type.
[snip rant]
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Nathaniel Jay Lee
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Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 10:06:55 -0400
From: Glitch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: So did they ever find out what makes windows98 freeze up all the
> The original poster may have exaggerated a bit, but win9x does seem
> fairly unstable, especially compared to NT, Linux, and *BSD, (cannot
> comment on BeOS or Mac, as I have no experience with them). It seems a
> bit disingenious for MS to claim that system crashes are the result of
> third party programs when, IMO at least, a competant operating system
> should be able to deal with misbehaving programs. On my home linux
> system, for example, Netscape has once or twice in the past crashed
> badly enough to kill the x-server, but has never once taken down the
> os. On the other hand, on Win98SE Japanese version on my wife's laptop
> has, in the last 6 months or so, crashed twice on boot up, and at least
> three times while opening LookOut Express. With no other programs
> running (except the japanese input program supplied by MS). There have
> been other crashes as well, but these are the most mind boggling (I
> mean, blue screen on boot!, give me a break).
my system freezes when im *restarting*. I wait for it to do something.
I get nothing. I do CTRL ALT DEL, I get that RUNDLL is running, still
supposedly responding, however nothing is happening. So I kill
it....sometimes I get a BSOD for no reason at all, other times I just
get nothing and have to hit Reset myself.
Late last week I was going to kbb.com and in the middle of perusing the
pages there my whole freaking system rebooted for NO REASON. What the
hell kind of operating system reboots when you visit a webpage? And no
there was no Java.
And you just gotta love the fact that if a program doesn't respond, and
u End Task it, you will end up needing to do the same thing to 5 other
programs, one of which will most likely be explorer.exe meaning you just
lost the majority of your system tray. Not to mention the other programs
which *were* running fine.
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From: "Ingemar Lundin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Never tell me again that Windows is easy to install!!! It's a lie!
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 14:06:31 GMT
"Stuart Fox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> skrev i meddelandet
news:8q7q18$t7b$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "Ingemar Lundin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:qEIx5.218$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > "Stuart Fox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> skrev i meddelandet
> > news:8q7j0n$4dm$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >
> > > "Ingemar Lundin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:M7Hx5.216$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > >
> > > > "Stuart Fox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> skrev i meddelandet
> > > > news:8q75ls$e0u$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > >
> > > > > Win2K took about 30 mins on a P-III 800, 256 MB, with 2 reboots.
I
> > > guess
> > > > if
> > > > > you can't count past 1, you might lose count...
> > > >
> > > > pure BS Stuart ...Windows 2000 takes at least an hour to
install...(1
> > hour
> > > > and 5 minutes to be exact, on my machine, p3 733, 256 MB, geforce
gts,
> > > > sblive platinum)
> > >
> > > Pure BS, or just different from what you experienced? Windows 2000
> takes
> > a
> > > varying length of time to install - minimum install time would seem to
> be
> > > about 25 minutes.
> >
> > welll, you didnt perhaps include time for formatting?
> > most os setups is kind of bitchy about that...they would like to have a
> > formatted partition to install on...:-)
> >
> Nope, Windows 2000 does a quick (very quick) format as NTFS. Much like
> doing a quick format from inside Windows NT 4.0.
are you kidding me or what?
quick format? what the fuck is that? win2ksetup doesnt even have the
capability to do a quick format (on a empty disk)
UNLIKE linux for example...how are you kidding??
/IL
>
>
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From: "Stuart Fox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Never tell me again that Windows is easy to install!!! It's a lie!
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 15:24:16 +0100
"Ingemar Lundin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:HpKx5.232$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "Stuart Fox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> skrev i meddelandet
> news:8q7q18$t7b$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > "Ingemar Lundin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:qEIx5.218$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >
> > > "Stuart Fox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> skrev i meddelandet
> > > news:8q7j0n$4dm$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > >
> > > > "Ingemar Lundin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > news:M7Hx5.216$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > >
> > > > > "Stuart Fox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> skrev i meddelandet
> > > > > news:8q75ls$e0u$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Win2K took about 30 mins on a P-III 800, 256 MB, with 2 reboots.
> I
> > > > guess
> > > > > if
> > > > > > you can't count past 1, you might lose count...
> > > > >
> > > > > pure BS Stuart ...Windows 2000 takes at least an hour to
> install...(1
> > > hour
> > > > > and 5 minutes to be exact, on my machine, p3 733, 256 MB, geforce
> gts,
> > > > > sblive platinum)
> > > >
> > > > Pure BS, or just different from what you experienced? Windows 2000
> > takes
> > > a
> > > > varying length of time to install - minimum install time would seem
to
> > be
> > > > about 25 minutes.
> > >
> > > welll, you didnt perhaps include time for formatting?
> > > most os setups is kind of bitchy about that...they would like to have
a
> > > formatted partition to install on...:-)
> > >
> > Nope, Windows 2000 does a quick (very quick) format as NTFS. Much like
> > doing a quick format from inside Windows NT 4.0.
>
> are you kidding me or what?
>
> quick format? what the fuck is that? win2ksetup doesnt even have the
> capability to do a quick format (on a empty disk)
> UNLIKE linux for example...how are you kidding??
Run setup on a blank disk, and choose to format as NTFS. It takes about 20
seconds max to format. Try it and see, you might be surprised.
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From: "spiralx" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Global warming. (was Public v. Private Schools)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 15:25:17 +0100
Jason Bowen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> spiralx wrote:
> >
> > Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > spiralx wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > In case you haven't noticed, the most technologically advanced
> > > > > societies are producing the LEAST amount of pollution,
environmental
> > > > > waste, etc.
> > > >
> > > > Apart from America, which produces 25% of the world's pollution and
yet
> > has
> > > > only 5% of its population. Maybe you need to rethink your
assumptions
> > there,
> > > > because you seem to have the wrong end of the stick.
> > >
> > > Yes, but you must realize that a lot of the pollution is produced
> > > making products which are EXPORTED to other countries. Therefore,
> > > THEY get the goodies without having the pollution counted on
> > > their tally sheets.
> >
> > Errm, no, America produces so much pollution because of it's policies of
> > rampant capitalism which makes the government afraid to impose any kind
of
> > environmental regulations. Hence America's unwillingness to enter into
any
> > kind of international agreements on reducing pollution - the government
is
> > afraid of the backlash from its industrial sector.
>
> Capitalism is the best system. Unfourtunately you can't always count on
> people to act in their best interest so the best policy is to try to
> make it in their best interest to act in responsible way. Take your
> communist/socialist dogma somewhere else. The old USSR has some of the
> most polluted land on earth. Tell me about the evils of capitalism
> again. It's all about people needing to act responsibly.
My "communist/socialist" dogma? Why, anyone would think that you didn't have
an open mind... I'm neither a communist nor a socialist, I merely realise
that the American brand of unrestricted free market policy leads to excesses
in much the same way that communism did in the old USSR. Sure, the scale is
far less, but it looks like the time scale will be much greater, so who
knows which will end up the worse in the end?
Pure capitalism deals poorly with long-term problems - why sacrifice now for
a goal that will occur a hundred years down the line? That level of
enlightened self-interest just doesn't occur in a free market, because any
company that did would be at a disadvantage to those that didn't.
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From: Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E. Ballard says
Linux growth stagnating
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 14:19:39 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Said Roberto Alsina in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
> >El s�b, 16 sep 2000, T. Max Devlin escribi�:
> >>Said Roberto Alsina in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
> >>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] escribi�:
> >>>
> >>>> > Ok, so let's just accept that I will not emit an opinion about
it.
> >>>> > It's my right.
> >>>>
> >>>> Accepted.
> >>>>
> >>>> Let us also accept that you would have been better served by not
commenting
> >>>> on the example in the first place.
> >>>
> >>>Whatever. I suppose you would have held that against me, too.
> >>
> >>Small hint: when it seems like no matter what you do, you will be
> >>accused of being an ass, it might well be because you're being an
ass.
> >
> >Then you must be an ass of olympic caliber.
>
> The only time I'm accused of being an ass, the poster generally
doesn't
> have much more to say, you'll notice.
Debating with asses is a fruitless endeavour.
[snip assness]
> I hate to admit I'm not the determined and stubborn fool I sometimes
> pretend to be;
That is about as believable as that "it was all a dream" episode
in Dallas that erased a whole season.
--
Roberto Alsina
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Public v. Private Schools
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 14:30:32 GMT
You forgot the 'commie' between eco-nut and propagandists.
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > Aaron forgot the tinfoil lining for his cap again!
> >
>
> You misspelled "the eco-nut propagandists"
>
> --
> Aaron R. Kulkis
> Unix Systems Engineer
> ICQ # 3056642
>
> H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> you are lazy, stupid people"
>
> I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
>
> A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
>
> B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> direction that she doesn't like.
>
> C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
>
> D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> ...despite (D) above.
>
> E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> their behavior improves.
>
> F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues
against
> adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
>
> G: Knackos...you're a retard.
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Public v. Private Schools
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 14:27:04 GMT
I guess it was the head injury then.
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > What school was it you said you didn't go to?
>
> I went to Purdue....where I was VERY well educated.
>
> --
> Aaron R. Kulkis
> Unix Systems Engineer
> ICQ # 3056642
>
> H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> you are lazy, stupid people"
>
> I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
>
> A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
>
> B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> direction that she doesn't like.
>
> C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
>
> D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> ...despite (D) above.
>
> E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> their behavior improves.
>
> F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues
against
> adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
>
> G: Knackos...you're a retard.
>
>
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Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jason Bowen)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Global warming. (was Public v. Private Schools)
Date: 19 Sep 2000 14:33:28 GMT
In article <39c77875$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, spiralx <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Jason Bowen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> spiralx wrote:
>> >
>> > Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> > > spiralx wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> > > > > In case you haven't noticed, the most technologically advanced
>> > > > > societies are producing the LEAST amount of pollution,
>environmental
>> > > > > waste, etc.
>> > > >
>> > > > Apart from America, which produces 25% of the world's pollution and
>yet
>> > has
>> > > > only 5% of its population. Maybe you need to rethink your
>assumptions
>> > there,
>> > > > because you seem to have the wrong end of the stick.
>> > >
>> > > Yes, but you must realize that a lot of the pollution is produced
>> > > making products which are EXPORTED to other countries. Therefore,
>> > > THEY get the goodies without having the pollution counted on
>> > > their tally sheets.
>> >
>> > Errm, no, America produces so much pollution because of it's policies of
>> > rampant capitalism which makes the government afraid to impose any kind
>of
>> > environmental regulations. Hence America's unwillingness to enter into
>any
>> > kind of international agreements on reducing pollution - the government
>is
>> > afraid of the backlash from its industrial sector.
>>
>> Capitalism is the best system. Unfourtunately you can't always count on
>> people to act in their best interest so the best policy is to try to
>> make it in their best interest to act in responsible way. Take your
>> communist/socialist dogma somewhere else. The old USSR has some of the
>> most polluted land on earth. Tell me about the evils of capitalism
>> again. It's all about people needing to act responsibly.
>
>My "communist/socialist" dogma? Why, anyone would think that you didn't have
>an open mind... I'm neither a communist nor a socialist, I merely realise
>that the American brand of unrestricted free market policy leads to excesses
>in much the same way that communism did in the old USSR. Sure, the scale is
>far less, but it looks like the time scale will be much greater, so who
>knows which will end up the worse in the end?
>
>Pure capitalism deals poorly with long-term problems - why sacrifice now for
>a goal that will occur a hundred years down the line? That level of
>enlightened self-interest just doesn't occur in a free market, because any
>company that did would be at a disadvantage to those that didn't.
Capitalism doesn't do that, it's the people in the system that do that.
That is why I said that you need to develop a system where it is
beneficial to do the right thing. Such as tax cuts equal to the money to
keep a company running as clean as possible. Sorry for the
communist/socialist comment.
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From: chrisv <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Global warming. (was Public v. Private Schools)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 14:42:02 GMT
On Mon, 18 Sep 2000 19:41:46 -0400, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Paging Chicken Little
>Paging Chicken Little
>
>The Sky is Falling!
You are a retard.
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From: "Jason N" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.windows98
Subject: Re: So did they ever find out what makes windows98 freeze up all the time?
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 10:01:11 -0700
"Dan Jacobson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8q61qj$9r2$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> So did they ever find out what makes windows98 freeze up all the time?
> E.g. as I type this in I am doing a save-file every few lines, to lose
> less incase 'freeze, 3 finger salute' occurs.
>
> I mean isn't this supposed to be the legacy system that dominates the
> world's computers? How could they not have conquered this freeze problem?
> I mean I hear it is the common experience of all users, not just of those
> who've added extra wacky software.
> --
> www.geocities.com/jidanni E-mail: restore ".com." �n����
> Tel:+886-4-5854780; starting in year 2001: +886-4-25854780
>
>
It's simply software bugs and poor design. Enough said. The next version of
windows is supposesd to fix all this.
-Jason
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