Linux-Advocacy Digest #208, Volume #35 Wed, 13 Jun 01 23:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed ("Paolo Ciambotti")
Re: Just For Fun (pip)
Re: Getting used to Linux ("Paolo Ciambotti")
Re: The usual Linux spiel... (was Re: Is Open Source for You?) (Greg Cox)
Re: Microsoft Security Bulletin MS01-032 : SQL Query Method Enables Cached
Administrator Connection to be Reused ("Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)")
Re: Linux user. ("Paolo Ciambotti")
Re: The Microsoft PATH. ("Paolo Ciambotti")
Re: Linux dead on the desktop. (Dave Martel)
Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed ("Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)")
Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed ("Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)")
Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed ("Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)")
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (Rotten168)
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux (Rotten168)
Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU! (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed ("Paolo Ciambotti")
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (Rotten168)
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux (Rotten168)
Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (was: chaney: retard) (Frog2)
Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (was: chaney: retard) (Frog2)
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From: "Paolo Ciambotti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 18:52:30 -0700
In article <9g6ckl$aao$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Unknown"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've just kill filed him, no because I disagree, but because I don't
> won't to hear about is childish antics.
>
> Matthew Gardiner
That's too bad; I think you'll miss out on a lot of fun.
Occasionally the wife and I will watch a couple of minutes of Jerry
Springer (that's all we can stand) on the telly, and we always end up
rejoicing in how uncomplicated our lives are, and how lucky we are to have
found each other. I guess it's more or less the same reason my killfile
is empty. If I killfiled Aaron, then I'd have to put Edwards in there too
to even things out, and maybe next would come Johansen, then Charlie for
balance, and in a matter of weeks COLA would be empty as far as PAN is
concerned. I'd certainly have to killfile Flatfish somewhere along the
way, but I've only got a thirty gig harddrive... all those aliases!
Nah, the entertainment value is more than worth the aggravation. Even the
people I disagree with; no... especially the people I disagree with. All
these different personalities and divergent views is what makes this group
fun reading for me.
Sorry to hear you won't be yanking Aaron's chain anymore. I think I'll go
out to the family room now and watch two minutes of Springer.
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From: pip <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Just For Fun
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 02:50:56 +0100
"Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)" wrote:
>
> Pip, its a bloody miracle, post on the 13/6/01 and now its 14/6/01, and
> I see no "Linux is communist", or "Linux is a hippie OS", or Flatfish
> trying to say Linux is gay because it has [obscene feature], or Aaron
> say, "I hope that helps", or Jon bring a 3 year old benchmark out to
> prove something, Chad some how linking the realiablity of Linux to the
> way Solaris handles updates.
>
:) That may be true - but nobody has replied as they seem to busy
debating such issues or do not find Linux history interesting enough to
comment :(
I thought I would try and improve the tone away from the current stuff.
Anyway the book should come tomorrow so I shall report back :)
btw: You were aware that Tux is in fact a gay communist
Norwegian-patriot "animal lover" who run's Windows 98 SE and corrupts
children with his teachings?
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From: "Paolo Ciambotti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Getting used to Linux
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 19:04:07 -0700
In article <9g76m2$s75$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Ha! Shows how much *you* know.
>
> FVWM is the ONE TRUE WINDOW MAGAGER anything else is the spawn of satan,
> pure and simple, much like vi nd emacs.
Vi? Emacs? Real programmers use PICO! Everything else is just lame.
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From: Greg Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: The usual Linux spiel... (was Re: Is Open Source for You?)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 02:06:43 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Greg Cox wrote:
> >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >says...
> >> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Greg Cox wrote:
> >> >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> >> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> >> >> Said Chad Myers in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Sun, 10 Jun 2001 19:39:09
> >> >> >"Mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> >> >> ah, I can hear it all again - 640k is enough for anyone.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >huh? What does that have to do with anything?
> >> >>
> >> >> It shows how much Microsoft's technical deficiencies can slow the
> >> >> progression of increasing hardware resources. In consideration of how
> >> >> long the need for DOS-compatibility made the 640k barrier an issue, IA64
> >> >> could take many years to be adopted by a large proportion of the
> >> >> industry.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >As usual Max, you're wrong. The 640K limitation had nothing to do with
> >> >DOS and everything to do with where IBM decided to place hardware in its
> >> >memory map for the IBM PC. Before everyone standardized on IBM
> >> >compatability there were several manufacturers making boxes that had
> >> >more contiguous memory space available than IBM did.
> >>
> >>
> >> My recollection is that DRDOS 7 from digital in the UK made the extended
> >> memory available for use by dos apps, whereas MSDOS 3.31, the competing
> >> OS at the time did not.
> >>
> >> DRDOS was then adopted in large numbers (it also had a multi-tasking
> >> capability and a gui in which windows could be run as a process).
> >>
> >> Microsoft then began another of its illegal campaigns to stamp out
> >> the competition (in this case DRDOS), whilst desperately trying to
> >> catch up with DRDOS. MSDOS4 was complete junk, unreliable and generally
> >> rubbish, MSDOS 5 was getting closer to what DRDOS could do, a *long*
> >> time later.
> >>
> >> Bill G had seen no reason to deal with the 640k limitation in *MSDOS*
> >> until it was fixed in a competing (and superior) OS.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >I was talking about the 640KB limitation within the 1MB memory map
> >directly addressable by the 8086/8088 CPUs but, on a second read of
> >Max's rant, your interpretation is probably more accurate in that he was
> >referencing EMM/EMS drivers to access >1MB memory. However, I seem to
> >remember that there were third party EMM/EMS drivers for MS-DOS available
> >before DRI shipped them in DRDOS so his point is really moot.
>
> I do not recollect any third party mem drivers for DOS3.31 until long
> after DRDOS had be released, but I could be wrong. DRDOS, however,
> certainly came with this capability as part of its standard distro,
> along with a utility for maximising memory and tuning it depending on
> what you were expecting to use the PC for. Memmax, I think?
I distinctly remember third party mem drivers but I can't remember when
exactly they were available. I believe several memory board
manufacturers included them with their board so you could fully utilize
the memory.
>
> There was certainly no multi-tasking process manager available for DOS3.31,
> as there was for DRDOS7. Taskmax I think it was called.
Again, I remember there were third party products to fill this hole. In
other words, I don't think DRDOS introduced any enhancements that
weren't already available for MS-DOS from third parties. You CAN
rightfully bitch that you had to spend extra money on third party
solutions to bring MS-DOS up to what DRDOS had out-of-the-box.
Microsoft was definitively behind the ball on this. Here is a good
example of where competition in the market forced Microsoft to get off
its butt and put out better, more complete, products.
>
> There was definitely no GUI, DRDOS came with Viewmax (aka Gem).
If you thought Microsoft stole the "look and feel" from Apple for
Windows just look at GEM sometime. Apple sued DRI. I seem to remember
they settled with DRI changing some stuff and paying Apple some $$$.
>
> You could run windows as a process in taskmax.
>
>
> If we're talking about the memory map issue, then that is surely a
> real-mode issue, fundamental to the rather broken design of MSDOS?
>
No, the real-mode issue originated with the Intel 8086/8088 CPU design.
(The CPU was capable of directly accessing 1MB of memory.)
But, again, Microsoft was WAY slow in coming out with an OS that took
advantage of protected memory. I believe most of this delay was caused
by Microsoft's plan to leave the DOS world to real-mode and use OS/2 as
the product that fully supported protected mode. DOS/Windows would be
left to low-end/home computers and OS/2 world be for high-
end/businesses. This is similar to the Win9x is for home and WinNT is
for the office plan they later settled on. OS/2 version 1.0 basically
worked but was a real pig on the hardware of the day. It also had poor
DOS backward compatability. It flopped in the market. In the meantime,
the Windows group at Microsoft shipped Win 3.0. It had a rudimentary
kind of multi-tasking and supported larger memory areas than plain DOS.
It ran OK on the hardware of the day and its DOS compatability was
excellent (surprise!). It started selling like hotcakes. Microsoft had
OS/2 that wasn't selling on the one hand and Windows 3.0 that was
selling really well. Microsoft decided to go where the market led
(where the money was), dropped OS/2, and concentrated on Windows.
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft Security Bulletin MS01-032 : SQL Query Method Enables Cached
Administrator Connection to be Reused
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 14:05:10 +1200
Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> Matt, if you want to get into a pissing match about bugs, thats your
> perogative, but all products have them, and the 60 or so security patches
> for Red Hat 7.0 are a good example.
>
>
> "Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:9g6jet$f7r$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
The issue is not about how many bugs, but the fact that Microsoft proclaim
Close Source solutions are more secure, and here is an example of something that
doesn't live up to the Microsoft anit-OpenSource mantra. Maybe Bill
Gates should get back into his little think tank and come up with REAL
VALID arguments against opensource instead of throwing retoric in the
wheels of something that WILL HAPPEN, the success of OpenSource, no
matter how much Microsoft wishes that it fails. Or as Chairman Mao said
when questioned about the French Revolution, he said, "its too soon to
tell".
Matthew Gardiner
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From: "Paolo Ciambotti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux user.
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 19:14:41 -0700
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Chris Street"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> No but enough people shouting about something will draw attention to the
> fact that *something* is going on, at which point I can have a look, dig
> up some more reasoned facts in my own time and do a spot or research
> before deciding to dip my toes in the water.
>
> Anyway there are two people in my church who stuck their heads round the
> door because they heard a nutter shouting on the street corner.
> Fortunatley the nutter wasn't from our church......!
Actually it was a Winvocate posting to this NG that got me interested in
Linux in the first place. I'd been running NT at work for more than a
year, started lurking COLA to learn a bit more about Linux, and on one of
my first posts the guy pretty much called me an idiot and a liar when I
said that my NT workstation kept crashing on me.
Thanks, Drestin. Nobody else could have sold me on Linux as completely as
you did. MSFT free for a year now, and loving it.
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From: "Paolo Ciambotti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Microsoft PATH.
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 19:21:48 -0700
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Terry Porter"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> > Frankly, I wish the Linux community had also had a period without a
>>> > GUI. There'd be more console-only software and games for starters.
>>
> My son Sam, loves Adom and Nethack and some others, one was a
> multiplayer networked version, and we had a LOT of fun, with Sam leading
> around gangs of characters, mages, knights, pick pockets etc.
>
> I didnt stand a chance!
>
And I'm still stuck trying to wend my way through the Zork trilogy.
"Xyzzy". "Plugh". Remember? Remember without drugs?
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From: Dave Martel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux dead on the desktop.
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 20:16:37 -0600
On Wed, 13 Jun 2001 20:37:43 -0500, B. P. Uecker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Bob Hauck wrote in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>>On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 23:44:30 -0500, B. P. Uecker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>> ... This is something that kids
>>> who cram for the IIS exam know--and it's about as difficult to figure
>>> out as reading the documentation. I guess that's not your department
>>> either, right? You could even just stumble across it going through
>>> the configuration dialogs in the ISM. Really sad.
>>
>>Yes, I'm a dumbass and you are superior. Do you feel better now?
>
>No, we're really back to square one. I'm not so shocked that you
>couldn't figure this out (and I don't think you're a dumbass based
>just on this)--although too many techies use the documentation as an
>absolute last resort and bother everyone else with basic questions.
>But I am appalled that she couldn't come up with the answer. She's
>not an admin--she just gets paid like one.
It's amazing what these companies will do to get out of paying for
properly skilled people. An employer once tried pressuring me into
becoming a sysadmin when theirs quit, figuring that since I worked on
microcontrollers I knew all about operating systems and networking.
When I explained that I knew *nothing* of either and certainly didn't
know how to run their unix system, the boss expressed confidence that
I could pick it all up in a couple of weeks.
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From: "Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 14:23:59 +1200
> That's too bad; I think you'll miss out on a lot of fun.
>
> Occasionally the wife and I will watch a couple of minutes of Jerry
> Springer (that's all we can stand) on the telly, and we always end up
> rejoicing in how uncomplicated our lives are, and how lucky we are to have
> found each other. I guess it's more or less the same reason my killfile
> is empty. If I killfiled Aaron, then I'd have to put Edwards in there too
> to even things out, and maybe next would come Johansen, then Charlie for
> balance, and in a matter of weeks COLA would be empty as far as PAN is
> concerned. I'd certainly have to killfile Flatfish somewhere along the
> way, but I've only got a thirty gig harddrive... all those aliases!
>
> Nah, the entertainment value is more than worth the aggravation. Even the
> people I disagree with; no... especially the people I disagree with. All
> these different personalities and divergent views is what makes this group
> fun reading for me.
>
> Sorry to hear you won't be yanking Aaron's chain anymore. I think I'll go
> out to the family room now and watch two minutes of Springer.
I'm now using Mozilla 0.9.1, and I have removed Aaron off my killfile.
On the topic of Jerry Springer, did you know he was British?
Matthew Gardiner
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From: "Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 14:26:45 +1200
> Yes, but at the same time, it's not clear what it will be running. The thing
> we really need to see is a survey of what operating systems businesses are
> running today. The survey would have to include companies of different size
> and different markets (etc, etc.) so that variations could be factored in.
> As you point out, just looking at what OS machines were shipped with isn't
> necessarily valid, especially in the case of server shipments.
>
> -- Mike --
>
Also, most Linux users are DYI people who build their own computers so
that they have absolute control over what goes into it, and when the
shit hits the fan, how to fix it. Hence, one cannot always get the
correct figures when counting the number of Linux "shipments" vs. the
number of Windows "shipments".
Matthew Gardiner
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From: "Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 14:33:03 +1200
Stuart Fox wrote:
> "Craig Kelley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
>>Enter Netcraft; but every time someone brings it up, the Windows
>>advocates stick their heads in a hole somewhere.
>>
>
> The Netcraft figures are probably accurate, but they only reflect the
> internet server space. Other figures probably count things like servers
> purchased for internal use as well, which is why the figures may seem
> skewed.
> It's probably something like "linux has good market penetration in the
> internet server space, but for internal environments, Windows & Novell
> lead"?
With the website figures, I was just going to say that most of SUN sales
are actually for internal networks servers. Its something like 10% of
their sales come from webserver sales, the rest are for Universities,
internal serves and workstations for companies like Ford/GM and Merc.
Hence, Microsoft's mantra regarding enterprise penetration is based on
"bull shit"
Hence, the number of websites that run Linux is not accurate on its
market penetration. Most popular places I have seen Linux been used are
in things such as server appliances, such as the Qube, or as a proxy
server w/ Squid, and these aren't counted in the "webstats". Also,
virtually any OS can run a website, shit, I have even see an Amiga be
used as a web server!
Matthew Gardiner
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From: Rotten168 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance...
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 02:36:33 GMT
drsquare wrote:
>
> On Wed, 13 Jun 2001 00:02:19 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> (Rotten168 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>
> >drsquare wrote:
>
> >> >Starve to death? Most of the children in America are obese and getting
> >> >fatter.
> >>
> >> Oh right, you're not American so you can starve to death. If this is
> >> an example of 'patriotism' then I was right in speaking against it.
> >
> >No, I was the one called a communist for speaking against patriotism.
>
> Oh, was that by Kuntis by any chance?
>
> >> >If you cannot understand why space exploration is important than you
> >> >have a teeny tiny little brain.
> >>
> >> Yeah, it's important to waste all that money so we can see some pretty
> >> pictures of some stars!
> >
> >If that's all you can believe or imagine, I'm sorry. Besides, what has
> >your little has-been country done to help "the starving children"?
>
> Quite a lot compared to how "poor" we are compared to the US.
Jack shit compared to what we did.
--
- Brent
"General Veer, prepare your underpants for ground assault."
- Darth Vader
http://rotten168.home.att.net
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From: Rotten168 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 02:38:46 GMT
drsquare wrote:
>
> On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 23:56:07 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> ("Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>
> >"Quantum Leaper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:NtvV6.44486$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> >> > Now we are supposed to feed them too? Why don't the Dutch do it?
> >> >
> >> The world thinks the USA should feed the poor and protect them but most of
> >> them don't want to lift a finger to help, since it not their problem.
> >
> >But they're just fine criticizing the US for all manor of the world's problems.
> >It's all our fault, remember? How come you don't see the French or the British
> >sending all sorts of humanitarian aid to Africa?
>
> Hmmmm... I thought you Americans were always bragging of your
> excessive wealth... you're obviously much poorer than originally
> thought.
No, but we'd be dirt-poor if we constantly took up your slack for
international aid.
--
- Brent
"General Veer, prepare your underpants for ground assault."
- Darth Vader
http://rotten168.home.att.net
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Subject: Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU!
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 02:39:12 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Mark
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Tue, 12 Jun 2001 23:44:36 +0100
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>In article <3b263ea1$0$94314$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Chad Myers wrote:
>>
>>"Mart van de Wege" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>> In article <3b2612aa$0$94313$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Chad Myers"
>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> <snip>
>>> >
>>> > It's not quite the same. You don't have rabid moronic Windows guerillas
>>> > who set up web sites to flame Linux....<rest snipped for comic effect>
>>>
>>> Oh no?
>>>
>>> http://www.microsoft.com/NTServer/nts/news/msnw/LinuxMyths.asp
>>
>>Exactly what I'm talking about. Penguinistas are so far removed
>>with the truth, that when smacked by it, they think it's flaming.
>>
>
>This kind of sums up the Microsoft position. Why tell the truth
>when a lie will do.
>
>I like linux because it's rarely lied about by anyone other
>than Microsoft.
Hard to lie if people poke around the source code to discover
the truth. :-) Not exactly an option with Microsoft...
>
>--
>Mark Kent
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- insert random misquote here
EAC code #191 44d:18h:11m actually running Linux.
Linux. The choice of a GNU generation.
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From: "Paolo Ciambotti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 19:45:15 -0700
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Unknown"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> No, he's from Austin, he's been eating the roadkill again.
Hey, I have family in Austin. Roadkill is haute cuisine. If an entree'
can't be cooked in an aluminum foil bag on the intake manifold of a Ford
truck engine, it ain't worth eating.
I hear Austin real estate is starting to take a beating with the last few
rounds of layoffs; Austinites are posting on fuckedcompany.com that
they're surrounded by vacant houses and rents are at an all-time low.
Maybe Bobby's a homeowner, and roadkill has nothing to do with it.
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From: Rotten168 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance...
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 02:40:34 GMT
drsquare wrote:
>
> On Wed, 13 Jun 2001 00:03:35 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> (Rotten168 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>
> >drsquare wrote:
>
> >> Wow, you really know absolutely NOTHING about the Balkan situation.
> >> Mind you, I don't expect an American to know anything outside his own
> >> country.
> >
> >Oh, ok, tell me where I'm wrong. Of course, you're not really a details
> >guy are you?
> >
> >So what did your little shit-stain of a country do for the Balkans?
>
> Deary me. If all you can come up with is childish insults, then
> *plonk*.
Wow, it's a 1337 plonk. Now you know I've won. =^)
--
- Brent
"General Veer, prepare your underpants for ground assault."
- Darth Vader
http://rotten168.home.att.net
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From: Rotten168 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 02:42:34 GMT
Edward Rosten wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "drsquare"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 14:39:30 -0700, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> > (GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
> >
> >>drsquare wrote:
> >
> >>> >As for the Japanese: quick, pick one: did you want hundreds of
> >>> >thousands of Japanese to die, or hundreds of thousands of Americans
> >>> >and millions of Japanese, and a long, protracted invasion which
> >>>
> >>> There are many alternatives.
> >>
> >>There really wasn't one. You overlook a point that was not really
> >>pushed or reported on. The Japanese were also developing a nuclear bomb.
> >> So it was either them or us. Truman really didn't have a choice.
> >
> > If you believe that you are more naive than I at first estimated.
>
> it is true that the Japanese had developed a bomb. However, the them or
> us is bollocks because the Japanese had no air force left and hence no
> delivery mecanism for the bomb.
Right they didn't have a single plane that could've slipped through our
air defenses... rrrrright.
AFAIK they continued to carry out kamikaze attacks up until the end.
--
- Brent
"General Veer, prepare your underpants for ground assault."
- Darth Vader
http://rotten168.home.att.net
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From: Frog2 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 14 Jun 2001 02:38:34 -0000
Subject: Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (was: chaney: retard)
Crossposted-To: alt.bonehead.steve-chaney,soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
shawn wrote:
> Ed Cogburn wrote:
> >
> > S.T. Pickrell wrote:
> >
> > > In North America, it seems more homosexuals get it. Whether the
> > > gap will close or not is another issue.
> >
> > Last I heard its progress through the gay community has slowed, but its
> > advancing among the heterosexual youth,
>
> This is likely quite correct.
except there have been a whole series of articles in just the past month
or so about how unprotected sex and new infections are on the increase
among homosexuals in the united states and, most recently, in australia.
> However, it will likely take
> 5-10 years before it explodes among the heterosexual community
> as it has in SE Asia and Africa.
only if the incidence of unprotected hetero sex reaches se asian and
african levels.
jackie 'anakin' tokeman
fat kid: i've got some fudge hidden up my ass - you want some?
chaney: yeah right - i'm not falling for that one again.
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From: Frog2 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 14 Jun 2001 02:38:24 -0000
Subject: Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (was: chaney: retard)
Crossposted-To: alt.bonehead.steve-chaney,soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Jun 2001 08:40:06 -0400, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> (Sky King <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>
> >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>
> >> >> Last I heard its progress through the gay community has slowed, but its
> >> >> advancing among the heterosexual youth,
> >> >
> >> >That's a rumor being spread by.... homosexual activists
> >>
> >> The same way all your rumour are spread by paranoid right-wing nuts
> >> like yourself.
> >>
> >Except we "right wing nuts" have the stats to back us up. Do you?
> >sky
>
> Stats? I haven't seen you provide or refer to a single statistic.
maybe he hasn't, but i have:
U.S. AIDS CASES BY EXPOSURE CATEGORY 1999 (source: CDC)
Exposure category % of total
Men who have Sex with Men (MSM) 326,051 48%
IV drug use 173,693 26%
MSM/IV 43,640 6%
Hemophilia 4,911 1%
Heterosexual contact 66,490 10%
Transfusion 8,382 1%
Risk not reported or known 56,572 8%
Total: 679,739
WELL?
jackie 'anakin' tokeman
fat kid: i've got some fudge hidden up my ass - you want some?
chaney: yeah right - i'm not falling for that one again.
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