Linux-Advocacy Digest #297, Volume #29 Mon, 25 Sep 00 07:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: What is with all the mudslinging? (sfcybear)
Re: Space Shuttle uses Windows software almost exclusively (Bob Germer)
Re: Space Shuttle uses Windows software almost exclusively (Bob Germer)
Re: How low can they go...? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Space Shuttle uses Windows software almost exclusively (Bob Germer)
Re: Space Shuttle uses Windows software almost exclusively (Bob Germer)
Re: Malloy digest, volume 2451800 (tholenbot)
Re: Space Shuttle uses Windows software almost exclusively (Timberwoof)
Re: How low can they go...? (Zenin)
Re: Yeah! Bring down da' man! ("K")
Re: Malloy digest, volume 2451800 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
link to Borland Kylix (native rapid application development for linux) (peter@nospam)
Re: link to Borland Kylix (native rapid application development for linux)
(peter@nospam)
Re: Space Shuttle uses Windows software almost exclusively (Chris Sherlock)
Re: Space Shuttle uses Windows software almost exclusively (Chris Sherlock)
Re: Space Shuttle uses Windows software almost exclusively (Chris Sherlock)
Re: Space Shuttle uses Windows software almost exclusively (Chris Sherlock)
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From: sfcybear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What is with all the mudslinging?
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 06:07:08 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi) wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Sep 2000 20:28:54 -0700, Lee Reynolds wrote:
>
> [ snip ]
>
> You seem concerned about all the idiots here. I'd argue that it's a
good
> thing. This groups purpose is to keep the idiots and trolls away from
> the real newsgroups, and it seems to work fairly well.
>
which is why you are here, Right?
> Yeah, there are all kinds of bigots. It's amazing what one can be
bigoted
> about if one tries hard enough.
>
> Perhaps we should have a bigot of the month competition. The winner
> gets a one way ticket to Lilliput.
>
> Cheers,
> --
> Donovan
>
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From: Bob Germer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Space Shuttle uses Windows software almost exclusively
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 06:29:50 GMT
On 09/24/2000 at 12:23 PM,
lyttlec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> MS is an owner of CompUSA. CompUSA employees tell me that they have a
> demand for Linux and Mac products, but cannot get them. I was looking
> for a sound card and modem for one of my Linux machines. All the cards
> on the shelf were WinModem and windows "optimized" sound cards. The
> clerk, who new computers, told me that they had cards I wanted on order
> for months. But only one or two would come in every 6 weeks or so. He
> said that there were announced plans to make all their computers
> strictly MS-only. But cheap, very very cheap. This policy, BTW, screws
> the local franchise holder who sees 20% of his business walk.
Typical wintroll bullshit.
First of all, Compusa was a publicly traded company until recently. It was
taken private then sold to a Mexican company. Here is a quote from their
website:
Company History:
CompUSA, founded as Soft Warehouse in Dallas, Texas, in October 1984,
originally sold "direct" to business customers. The company then opened
its first retail store in April 1985; opened its first Computer
Superstore in April 1988; changed its name to CompUSA in March 1991 and,
in September 1998, CompUSA completed its acquisition of the Computer City
chain from Tandy Corporation. In March 2000 CompUSA became a privately
held company, under the new leadership of Mexican retail company, Grupo
Sanborns.
A search of US SEC (Security and Exchange Commission filings shows no
evidence of significant ownership by MS or any of MS's principals.
CompUSA will not special order any product which is not fully prepaid.
This has been its practice for many, many months since it closed its
Business section.
If you are not just plain lying and you actually believe what you post, I
have some waterfront land in Florida I'd like to sell you.
Finally, since Mac's and Apples amount to only 8-9% of computer sales over
the last 5 years, you claim that CompUSA is losing 20% of its business is
pure, unadulterated, comtemptible, lie.
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From: Bob Germer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Space Shuttle uses Windows software almost exclusively
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 06:31:22 GMT
On 09/24/2000 at 07:33 AM,
Timberwoof <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> So the point, dear dodo, is that if you have a Mac, don't despair at the
> apparent lack of software for it. Just pick up a MacWorld at the
> grocery store and check out the zillions of ads in the back for places
> that sell Mac software mail-order.
There is no DB/2 support for the Mac. Any machine which cannot run DB2 is
not a computer.
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Subject: Re: How low can they go...?
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 06:26:29 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"T. Max Devlin" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> [snip] ... Your ongoing tirade of posturing [snip]
> [snip] ...You are a moron. [snip] ... if one
> weren't a moron.
> T. Max Devlin
> *** The best way to convince another is
> to state your case moderately and
> accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: Bob Germer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Space Shuttle uses Windows software almost exclusively
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 06:43:15 GMT
On 09/24/2000 at 07:14 PM,
"Joe R." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> t wasn't even an accurate observation.
> He probably forgot to check the Store Within a Store -- where Mac stuff
> is sold.
Not possible. Those sections have been closed in this area for months now.
> And I'm SURE he didn't count hybrid software which has both Mac and PC
> versions on the same CD. The educational section is just full of hybrid
> stuff.
If it is in the Intel section, it is Intel software which may have been
ported to the Mac. It is not Mac only software. Moreover, those dual os
programs are virtually all games. A game machine is not a computer and it
doesn't take a computer to run games.
The Mac is an insignificant game machine incapable of real world computer
tasks such as running DB2, running cash registers, inventory systems,
point of sale systems, etc. all of which are done in hundreds of thousands
of businesses all over the world by Intel platform hardware.
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From: Bob Germer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Space Shuttle uses Windows software almost exclusively
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 06:45:38 GMT
On 09/25/2000 at 03:59 AM,
"Shocktrooper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> Then explain why Apple is the only company with a "store within a store"
> section?
There hasn't been such a section in our local CompUSA's for months. Not
enough business to justify the floor space.
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From: tholenbot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Malloy digest, volume 2451800
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 02:57:52 -0400
In article <v1mz5.34102$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > A "Tholen-war" is an argument that so severely degresses along
> > did/didn't/did too lines that neither party recalls what the discussion
> > was about, and the did/didn't/did too makes up the bulk of the debate.
>
> Why name it after me, given that I haven't engaged in any such argments?
What "argments"?
> > A flame war is characterised by it's ferocity, whereas a "Tholen-war"
> > is characterised by its triviality and silliness.
>
> Why name it after me, given that I haven't engaged in any such argments?
Copying and pasting your typos, Dave? Doesn't your advanced OS/2
computer with voice input know how to spellcheck, Dave?
--
Prove that "It's time to raise the curtain on the Muppet Show tonight", if
you think you can.
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From: Timberwoof <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Space Shuttle uses Windows software almost exclusively
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 06:58:06 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Lee Reynolds
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I don't really know what systems the shuttles are running right this
> minute, but at one time the shuttles had computers on board that were
> obsolete by anyone's standards. We're talking 25 year old stuff here.
> These systems were used because they were extremely well tested and the
> engineers and technicians knew them inside out. At one point these
> embedded computers were upgraded to designs that were only 10-15 years
> old to save space and improve reliability.
Someone posted this URL recently, but it bears posting again:
http://spacelink.nasa.gov/NASA.Projects/Human.Exploration.and.Development
.of.Space/Human.Space.Flight/Shuttle/Shuttle.Frequently.Asked.Questions/S
econd.Generation.Computers.FAQ
> None of this has anything to do with NT/2K. If astronauts want to use
> NT/2K on the laptops they carry with them then so be it. If NT is the
> best tool for the job they are trying to do then I say use NT.
NT may work for laptops doing scientific experiments, but it is not up
to the task of flying the shuttle. As the FAQ says, it requires a system
with two dozen dedicated IO controllers that guarantees that data are
handled correctly and on time. NT cannot do that.
--
Timberwoof <timberwoof at infernosoft dot com> Chief Perpetrator
Infernosoft: Putting the No in Innovation. http://www.infernosoft.com
"The opposite of hardware is not easyware."
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From: Zenin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
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Subject: Re: How low can they go...?
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 07:04:59 -0000
James Stutts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: "T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: <snip>
:> One of the many things I'm trying to change. I don't 'have to' live with
:> anything. The law prevents monopolies, and we haven't figured out how
:> health care should work, yet. What is your point?
:
: The law most certainly allows monopolies. Shopped around for electrical
: service lately?
Actually, I have. I'm not sure about other states, but in
California you can now buy your power from the company of your
choice.
--
-Zenin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) From The Blue Camel we learn:
BSD: A psychoactive drug, popular in the 80s, probably developed at UC
Berkeley or thereabouts. Similar in many ways to the prescription-only
medication called "System V", but infinitely more useful. (Or, at least,
more fun.) The full chemical name is "Berkeley Standard Distribution".
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From: "K" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
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Subject: Re: Yeah! Bring down da' man!
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 03:04:21 -0400
"Boris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:avRe5.37215$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
.....
.....
> Because SOAP is W3 standard, it's not os/vendor specific. However, new
run-time for VB,
> C++, etc. and other elements of development framework (MS Developer's
Studio .Net edition)
> will be supplied for Windows only by MS.
>
> Boris
What Microsoft is attempting to do here is extend their control to all or
much of the internet just like they control millions of users of PC with
Windows. It might not be vendor but Microsoft will make the standards and
change them at it's whim.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Malloy digest, volume 2451800
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 07:59:54 GMT
Eric Bennett writes:
>>> A "Tholen-war" is an argument that so severely degresses along
>>> did/didn't/did too lines that neither party recalls what the discussion
>>> was about, and the did/didn't/did too makes up the bulk of the debate.
>> Why name it after me, given that I haven't engaged in any such argments?
> What "argments"?
The ones he was referring to, Eric.
>>> A flame war is characterised by it's ferocity, whereas a "Tholen-war"
>>> is characterised by its triviality and silliness.
>> Why name it after me, given that I haven't engaged in any such argments?
> Copying and pasting your typos, Dave? Doesn't your advanced OS/2
> computer with voice input know how to spellcheck, Dave?
Of course, Eric. It still has to be told what to do, Eric.
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From: peter@nospam
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps
Subject: link to Borland Kylix (native rapid application development for linux)
Date: 25 Sep 2000 01:05:29 -0700
I've seen lately many talk about Borland's Kylix for Linux. I same
this link, which is a good intro about Kylix for those who like to learn
more about it.
http://www.drbob42.com/linux/
peter
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From: peter@nospam
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps
Subject: Re: link to Borland Kylix (native rapid application development for linux)
Date: 25 Sep 2000 01:23:53 -0700
This is a screen shots link:
http://www.drbob42.com/kylix/hotshots.htm
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, peter@nospam says...
>
>http://www.drbob42.com/linux/
>
>peter
>
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Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 21:14:43 +1000
From: Chris Sherlock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Space Shuttle uses Windows software almost exclusively
Try "NetBEUI". Unfortuneately.
Although on a big enough network people use a protocol with a network
layer as who wants there network be choked with NetBEUI broadcasts?
Chris
dc wrote:
>
> On Sun, 24 Sep 2000 19:16:19 GMT, "Joe R." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> >In article
> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, dc
> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> On Sun, 24 Sep 2000 02:21:42 GMT, "Joe R." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >In article
> >> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, dc
> >> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Sat, 23 Sep 2000 21:26:04 +0100,
> >> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mark) wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >In article
> >> >> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> >> >> > dc wrote:
> >> >> >>On Sat, 23 Sep 2000 17:47:11 GMT, Timberwoof <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>>some of these standards. And because of the Macintosh's excellent
> >> >> >>>support for networking, Apple product users are well-connected.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>This I don't quite understand. Not from a 1990's AppleTalk
> >> >> >>perspective, but from a September 2000 perspective, how are Apple
> >> >> >>product users "well-connected" compared to the rest of computerdom
> >> >> >>(meaning, NT and ME)?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >I'm having trouble with the phrase 'rest of computerdom' which I
> >> >> >assumed
> >> >> >would mean what people actually use, not NT and ME.
> >> >>
> >> >> For better or worse, that is what most people actually use.
> >> >
> >> >Most people use NT and ME?
> >> >
> >> >You're out of your mind (what little apparently remains).
> >>
> >> Or a derivative of one of those OSs, yes, Joe, that _is_ what most
> >> people use.
> >
> >No, they don't. "Derivative" means later work derived from the earlier
> >one.
>
> Agreed. So I'll just say "Windows".
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Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 21:17:44 +1000
From: Chris Sherlock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
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Subject: Re: Space Shuttle uses Windows software almost exclusively
Dude, you have too much time :)
Chris
Bob Germer wrote:
>
> On 09/23/2000 at 05:47 PM,
> Timberwoof <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>
> > On the other hand, the Macintosh platform is well supported with
> > software by such industry leaders as Adobe, Macromedia, and Microsoft
> > itself. Far from being so "proprietary," they adhere to all sorts of
> > hardware and software standards. Apple is a leading force in creating
> > some of these standards. And because of the Macintosh's excellent
> > support for networking, Apple product users are well-connected.
>
> Well, I had occasion to visit CompUSA earlier this afternoon. Just for
> fun, I counted the software titles for Intel and Mac platform. There were
> 498 different titles for Intel platform machines. For Mac, 44 of which 36
> were games.
>
> This proves that Macs are not well supported other than for games.
>
> --
>
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> Bob Germer from Mount Holly, NJ - E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Proudly running OS/2 Warp 4.0 w/ FixPack 14
> MR/2 Ice 2.20 Registration Number 67
> Finishing in 2nd place makes you first loser
>
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Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 21:24:53 +1000
From: Chris Sherlock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Space Shuttle uses Windows software almost exclusively
Aha. Why did you do that?
I guess that if you are using a Mac then you only care about ease of
use, and much as it pains me Linux has a little way to go before it is
as easy to use as a Mac.
Chris
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> On Sun, 24 Sep 2000 19:47:50 +0000, Jacques Guy
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >>
> >[who cares]
> >
> >Eat shit, asshole.
>
> Impossible at the moment since I tossed all of my Linux CD's in the
> garbage.
>
> claire
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Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 21:30:54 +1000
From: Chris Sherlock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
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Subject: Re: Space Shuttle uses Windows software almost exclusively
I *own* the video of the "Attack of the Killer Tomatos" and I can say
that without a doubt it is the worst movie I have ever seen.
Chris
lyttlec wrote:
>
> Peter Ammon wrote:
> >
> > Mike Byrns wrote:
> > >
> > > You mean Jeff Goldblume? The same Jeff Goldblume that has appeared in
> > > several Apple Computer television commercials? The one that's on the
> > > Apple payroll? Do you know that Apple pays big bucks in hollywood to
> > > get it's computers in "cool" movies like Independence Day?
> >
> > I don't believe you. Can you back this up?
> >
> > -Peter
> Get the "Killer Tomato" series movies. you gotta watch them all.
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