Linux-Advocacy Digest #297, Volume #31 Sat, 6 Jan 01 13:13:05 EST
Contents:
Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant. (.)
Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant. (.)
Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant. (.)
Re: you dumb. and lazy. (.)
Re: you dumb. and lazy. (.)
Re: Big government and big business: why not fear both - www.ezboard.com (T. Max
Devlin)
Re: Big government and big business: why not fear both - www.ezboard.com (T. Max
Devlin)
Re: Deja No News (T. Max Devlin)
Re: RPM Hell (.)
Re: Computers, monopoly... (WAS: Re: Big government and big business: why not fear
both - www.ezboard.com) (T. Max Devlin)
Re: .NET and Microsoft Anti-Piracy (.)
Re: .NET and Microsoft Anti-Piracy (.)
Re: Red hat becoming illegal? (redc1c4)
Remote Kiosk Web Application Administration (Knowledge Seeker)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant.
Date: 6 Jan 2001 17:06:59 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> A feature? They are not on another virtual desktop they are simply
> gone...Real shitty feature if you ask me, and inconsistent as well.
> How does one predict when these applications will disappear?
>>> How about no sound out of the digital port on the SBLive card?
>>
>>The driver doesnt support it. Look for an update in the coming weeks.
> I've been waiting YEARS for a DECENT SBLIVE LINUX DRIVER...YEARS!!!!
No, you havent, since the SB Live has not existed for "years". This
is an outright lie. You are an outright liar, just like all of your
previous incarnations on this group, and doubtlessly all of your future
ones.
>>> GMC that refuses to allow saving of some files, despite running SU as
>>> root?
>>
>>You dont understand unix filesystems or permissions.
> Yes I do.....They are exactly the same as AIX.
No, ext2fs is actually absolutely nothing like XFS or UFS. If you knew
as much as the guy who used to write your posts for you about things
like this, youd know that.
>>> Didn't matter because although Agent would start, as soon as I tried
>>> to go online it would segfault. Most likely had something to do with
>>> Win2k though because I have had Wine/Agent working with Win98 in the
>>> past fine.
>>
>>You didnt read the documentation. Wine does not work with W2K binaries.
> Wine sucks...Musicmatch Jukebox for Linsux (a 13 meg behemoth) takes
> 30 seconds to load and is slow as shit. Wordperfect for Linux is a
> wine port and sucks as well.
>
Word perfect for linux is actually not a wine port, since it predates wine
by at least two years. Another lie.
>>> Why doesn't Knode remember it's settings like Window size?
>>
>>It doesnt need to.
> Programs under WIndows do...
Neat. Windows also has a 'kill' button on every window that doesnt actually
kill anything.
>>> Why is adding to or editing Menues in Enlightenment such a pita? Shit
>>> I just drag and drop from menues in Windows. Seems pretty simple to
>>> me?
>>
>>Enlightenment is not a windowing environment, it is a window manager.
> Stop playing semantics.. I want to add a selection to a menu why do I
> have to go 5 directories deep and edit some text file like i used to
> do in the 1970's... Linux sux....
This is not semantics, this is fact. You have your terminology all
screwed up, and you do not know what youre talking about.
>>> How about PM firewall? Well this one is a real gem if ever there was
>>> one. Simple to set up and it works very well. It should have prompts
>>> for possible selections though as it took me a while to figure out
>>> that my external interface was ppp0 and I doubt Joe Sixpack will ever
>>> figure it out.
>>
>>Joe sixpack doesnt need a firewall for linux. There are other, much
>>easier ways to secure a box.
> Name one......
Edit /etc/inetd.conf. Any retard can do it.
But then again, youd know that if youd actually read any documentation.
>>> Why does Mandrake insist on changing my mouse settings every time it
>>> boots up? I had to turn off hardware detection for that one.
>>
>>It doesnt do that for me. You did something wrong.
> Mandrake group.....
You know, ive been looking in the mandrake group(S) for all of your
claims, and they are simply not there. I suspect that you havent even
installed the operating system, but have compiled all of your posts
from complaints by other retards.
>>> Why doesn't my mouse "hover scroll" meaning if I have a split window
>>> in an application if I move the mouse over each window I just have to
>>> move the wheel to scroll. I do not have to click in each window. No
>>> focus setting under Linux that I tried allowed this to work.
>>
>>Thats a windows thing.
> A very convenient one at that..Linux makes a wheel mouse almost
> useless although it will most likely support a printer from 1975 or
> so.
Its quite useful to me.
>>> How come I can't use a printer that is on my network and connected to
>>> a machine running Windows 2k?
>>
>>You arent running samba. Read the documentation.
> Sure am and it still doesn't work and the doc for Samba is a
> convoluted mess that is mostly outdated.
Theres more documentation on the web. If you cant get samba printing
working, you are a complete idiot.
>>> I screwed with Samba till I was sick of dancing and could not make it
>>> work.
>>
>>Then you're an idiot. Its not that difficult, and you doubtlessly
>>didnt read the documentation.
> Along with all of the others on the net that can't get it to work. How
> come there are so many sites devoted to making it work? I don't see
> sites like that for Windows......
Really? Then you havent been looking.
>>> Why is there so much way outdated documentation for Linux out there?
>>> Even Mandrakeuser.org has stuff that will render your system useless
>>> if you follow th instructions with more modern versions?
>>
>>You arent looking in the right place. Its easy to find, however you
>>do need a brain.
> The net is full of outdated Lino-trash...How does one separate the
> garbage from the treasure?
With a brain. You are out of luck.
>>> How come the upgrade CD I received turned kde into a vegetable? I had
>>> to reload the entire thing.
>>
>>I didnt. You did it wrong, and didnt read the documentation.
> How can you possibly do it wrong? Slap the CD in and select Live
> update just like the instructions that came with it said.
> You are FOS as usual and sinking fast....
You apparantly did SOMETHING wrong, since you couldnt get it to work.
>>> How come if I try to install Enlightenment after the fact it fails
>>> dependencies even though they are on my system?
>>
>>ldconfig.
> Why doesn't RPMDrake install them like it says it will do?
> inconsistent Linux garbage again...
It does.
>>> I could go on for hours with all of the inconsistencies of Linux but
>>> now let's take a Windows 2k install and see how a quality,
>>> professional system should be installed.
>>
>>You simply do not, and do not WANT to understand linux. Either that
>>or you are retarded.
> Understand what? An operating system? I want to run applications and
> with Linux I have to spend far more time trying to make even the most
> primitive feature work. Windows 2k works right out of the box and has
> all of the high quality applications available as well.
I understand. You are a complete idiot, and you are beginning to suspect
it. You feel cheated and awful because you dont have a brain, and you
cant deal with the fact that a number of people around you understand
things that you cant begin to comprehend.
So go back to windows, and enjoy. :)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant.
Date: 6 Jan 2001 17:07:33 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "." wrote:
>>
>> In comp.os.linux.advocacy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> > Linux had better get it's collective ass organized if it ever hopes to
>> > compete for desktop market share with Windows and Mac. In it's present
>> > state it is a conglomeration of disjointed half completed works.
>>
>> > I received my Mandrake update CD this week and decided to give
>> > Mandrake 7.2 another whirl, partly because I am bored at the moment
>> > and partly because I was hoping that this one was the big winner.
>>
>> That's a scientology term. Suddenly everything falls into place.....
> I'm not familiar with scientology lingo....what did you spot?
> (just curious)
A variation of "big win".
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant.
Date: 6 Jan 2001 17:08:31 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy kiwiunixman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The question is, how much did he pay for that phase. As most people know,
> scientology IS the biggest con-jobs next to Microsoft and e-commerce.
I havent ever paid one living CENT to the church of scientology, and
never will. :)
I'll just betcha flatfish has though. Scientologists are notoriously
stupid and grumpy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: you dumb. and lazy.
Date: 6 Jan 2001 17:10:33 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Sat, 06 Jan 2001 01:07:48 GMT, "adam"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>if you are THAT upset about driving stick shift don't drive a sportscar...
> I drive a 1996 Chevy Impala SS fully modified putting out somewhere in
> the neighborhood of 400HP.
> Would you like to race sometime?
> I regularly eat for lunch yuppies driving Boxsters heading to the
> Hampton's to hob knob with the movie stars. It's actually quite funny
> watching them try and swear in German. I have to wonder how many of
> them are running Linux? But then again, the majority of them are
> investment bankers(if they are not movie stars) and in that world it
> is all Windows or real Unix. Linux need not apply.
>
>>stick around though, im sure a distro will come along in the future that
>>will suite your lazy needs. mandrake may not be the easiest for a
>>windows/mac monkey like yourself, but its a huge piece of cake compared to
>>other distros..
> Unlike you, I prefer end results and not the method used to attain
> them. To use your automobile analogy, I am halfway down the 1/4 mile
> before the idiot in the Boxster has figured out where first gear is.
> It's all about ease of use and applications and Linux has neither.
This entire post is a lie.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: you dumb. and lazy.
Date: 6 Jan 2001 17:11:53 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Sat, 06 Jan 2001 14:06:02 +1030, PoD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sat, 06 Jan 2001 01:07:48 GMT, "adam"
>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>> >if you are THAT upset about driving stick shift don't drive a sportscar...
>>> I drive a 1996 Chevy Impala SS fully modified putting out somewhere in
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>> the neighborhood of 400HP.
>>
>>
>>So your car is as good as it is because it's Open Source.
> No. My car is good because it has an industry standard engine that GM
> for the most part has been making since the 1970's and as a result it
> is supported by many quality aftermarket parts firms.
> They know this engine is a money maker for them so they manufacturer
> parts for it. How many aftermarket parts do you think you can find for
> a 1986 BMW 730?
My god, you are an idiot. You just completely invalidated all of your
arguments TWICE, yet still think you have something of a point.
You are a liar and an idiot, claire.
Why dont you get that big strong MAN to write some of your posts for you
now so that you can feel intelligent.
Go on, we're all waiting.
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.fan.bill-gates,alt.destroy.microsoft,alt.microsoft.sucks
Subject: Re: Big government and big business: why not fear both - www.ezboard.com
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 17:13:27 GMT
Said Tom Wilson in alt.destroy.microsoft on Sat, 06 Jan 2001 06:47:41
GMT;
> > Worst of all, they *lock* you into Microsoft.
> > I wonder where the idea for WinModems came?
>>
>
>A scheme to reduce hardware costs by using software to provide error
>correction and data compression.
A scheme to rook unknowledgable consumers by using software emulation to
replace the dedicated hardware that the market demands, prompted by the
monopoly as a method of lock-in and masked as a means of reducing
hardware costs.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.fan.bill-gates,alt.destroy.microsoft,alt.microsoft.sucks
Subject: Re: Big government and big business: why not fear both - www.ezboard.com
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 17:14:42 GMT
Said Tom Wilson in alt.destroy.microsoft on Sat, 06 Jan 2001 06:47:39
>"Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:935ib8$5o9$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>
>> "Nigel Feltham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> news:935dgi$8r59j$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
>> Foget about this, have you ever tried to maintained one of those boxes?
>> It's a nightmare.
>> My worst experiance was with Pacerd Bell computers.
>
>Ohmygawd...Packard Bell!
>It took some real genius to design a system, built with such junk, to
>actually work (on occasion).
I'll agree with that. Packard Bell's are really some outrageously
shoddy computers, aren't they? A name to avoid, at all costs, that's
for sure.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Deja No News
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 17:15:56 GMT
Said SomeoneElse in alt.destroy.microsoft on Sat, 06 Jan 2001 08:18:02
>Sad to say it may be fruitless too.
>How do you know that they haven't already deleted them.
Not even a profiteer could possibly be that stupid.
>On Sat, 06 Jan 2001 02:49:53 GMT, T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
>
>>I'm posting this message to point out that I am stripping that annoying
>>petition request from my signature. This should be the last post
>>showing it. I know its annoying, and I no longer think there's any
>>chance that, if the situation is going to be corrected, it will be
>>furthered in any way by whether or not I post the link to this page.
>>
>>I find the situation very pathetic, and disturbing, to be honest, and
>>join with at least thousands, and hopefully millions, of people who
>>consider Deja's actions and response to be reprehensible. It does not
>>take an extremist mind-set nor a socialist canter to believe that the
>>archives Deja has amassed from Usenet are not theirs in an unencumbered
>>fashion, and they are ethically and even legally and commercially
>>required to ensure that they are available economically and without
>>undue restrictions, or that they are allowed to be maintained by those
>>who will do so.
>>
>>I'm sick of being reminded of this depressing state of affairs every
>>time I read one of my own posts, so I'm chopping the sig.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Subject: Re: RPM Hell
Date: 6 Jan 2001 17:18:21 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Sat, 06 Jan 2001 01:03:42 GMT, J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>BradyBear wrote:
>>
>>> Well, I decided to give KDE 2.0.1 a shot. So I downloaded all the
>>> relevent rpm,s. But before I can install my shiny new desktop, I need
>>> to install the latest version of QT. So, I go grab QT2.2.3. Great.
>>
>>Not so great - you should have downloaded the qt rpms from
>>the same location as your kde rpms, or you will have incompatible
>>versions.
>>
>><long winded whining snipped>
>>
>>I've put kde 2 on several boxes, simply downloaded the
>>rpms - all the rpms including qt - from ftp.kde.org, and
>>simply did an an rpm -Uvvh - no problems noted.
> So how do you explain why the Mandrake Update CDROM turned a
> functioning system into a veggie? It was mainly a kde upgrade.
I can explain that:
You're an idiot.
Linux is not for idiots. Linux is for people who have brains and are
willing/capable of using them.
Now go away, and please, enjoy windows.
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.fan.bill-gates,alt.destroy.microsoft,alt.microsoft.sucks,comp.sys.apple
Subject: Re: Computers, monopoly... (WAS: Re: Big government and big business: why
not fear both - www.ezboard.com)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 17:19:29 GMT
Said Jure Sah in alt.destroy.microsoft on Sat, 06 Jan 2001 13:37:10
>"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>> Which is why I *ALWAYS* build my own computer....it's no bargain when
>> you have to replace 1/2 of the hardware to get the system up to
>> your own personal specifications.
>
>Do you have an Imac? =]
>
>LOL, I couldn't imagine a more useless computer: No floppy drive, no
>additional misc hardware slots, no COM lines! What could one possibly do
>with such a computer?
>
>Second of all, why didn't anyone sue them for not allowing any other
>hardware makers to be able to insert their hardware. They are making a
>much worse monopoly than MS!
The difference is that Apple builds a proprietary computer system, they
don't deal with the "open platform" PCs. The only thing they have a
"monopoly" in is their own products, while Microsoft has a monopoly on
all PCs, which they neither build nor sell.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Subject: Re: .NET and Microsoft Anti-Piracy
Date: 6 Jan 2001 17:23:56 GMT
Adam Warner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi ".",
>> Pffft, a dozen and a half warez-groups have been writing key-gens for
>> exactly this sort of anti-piracy measure (which originated through
>> the first generation Psygnosis in the time of the Amiga-anyone remember
>> that?) for at least 10 years.
>>
>> Go microsoft. Way to innovate.
> Maybe you haven't fully thought through the implications of an operating
> system tied into .NET.
> (Below is speculation)
> Point 1: No-one has created key gens for Office 2000 or Windows 2000. There
> will be no keygens for Whistler either.
No one has needed to, as the keys for office and windows are entirely static.
> Point 2: Microsoft could create a combined licence code at installation time
> based upon your licence code and your specific hardware.
Doubtless that the hardware identification mechanism will be customizable.
Remember that neat intel idea about CPU ID? The license code it self can
be generated.
> Point 3: Your licence code and your combined licence code could be your
> ticket to .NET services. Microsoft would have all legitimate license codes
> in a central database and compare against those. Microsoft could also check
> that the combined licence code is still the same as when you first
> registered for .NET services. If that combined licence code changed you
> would have to purchase another hardware licence for the same original OS
> license.
Now THATS a pretty good idea. I'm sure a workaround for it would be a little
complicated, but not entirely undoable. Think of what could happen if a
centralized .NET server could be faked locally? Office starts up, queries what
it thinks is the .NET server, but is actually a little service running locally
which always and only gives the answer "yer fine, go on ahead".
There are always workarounds for this kind of thing. The wise company
understands them and works with them (see ID Software), the unwise company
spends billions doing things that are entirely moot. (see microsoft)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Subject: Re: .NET and Microsoft Anti-Piracy
Date: 6 Jan 2001 17:24:32 GMT
Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Adam Warner wrote:
>>
>> Hi ".",
>>
>> > Pffft, a dozen and a half warez-groups have been writing key-gens for
>> > exactly this sort of anti-piracy measure (which originated through
>> > the first generation Psygnosis in the time of the Amiga-anyone remember
>> > that?) for at least 10 years.
>> >
>> > Go microsoft. Way to innovate.
>>
>> Maybe you haven't fully thought through the implications of an operating
>> system tied into .NET.
>>
>> (Below is speculation)
>>
>> Point 1: No-one has created key gens for Office 2000 or Windows 2000. There
>> will be no keygens for Whistler either.
>>
>> Point 2: Microsoft could create a combined licence code at installation time
>> based upon your licence code and your specific hardware.
>>
>> Point 3: Your licence code and your combined licence code could be your
>> ticket to .NET services. Microsoft would have all legitimate license codes
>> in a central database and compare against those. Microsoft could also check
>> that the combined licence code is still the same as when you first
>> registered for .NET services. If that combined licence code changed you
>> would have to purchase another hardware licence for the same original OS
>> license.
>>
>> Maybe Microsoft won't do this. But such a plan would be virtually fullproof.
>>
>> I am relucant to even call this anti-pirary because the measures would be
>> designed to stop you installing the OS on a different (updated? upgraded?)
>> computer even if you removed the software from the prior computer.
>>
> And Americans, being the sheep that they have become,
> will bend over and take it from Bill like they always do...
> :-(
I would like very much to see some really wicked keygens coming from anywhere
outside the united states. :)
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From: redc1c4 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: "delete the \".ies\""
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,us.military.army
Subject: Re: Red hat becoming illegal?
Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 17:32:29 GMT
billh wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis"
>
> > Hey, Bill, why don't you stop spinning before you get dizzy...
> You jealous? You're so caught up in your web of "wannabe-war-hero" lies you
> couldn't spin on a lazy susan.
especially since "Susan" wouldn't give him the time of day......
redc1c4,
hell, even "Rosie" prolly won't touch him. that would explain lots.
--
"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude
better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We
ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed
you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that
ye were our countrymen."
Samuel Adams
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Knowledge Seeker)
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.security,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.development.systems,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Remote Kiosk Web Application Administration
Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 17:40:00 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Need help with a new assignment. Company wants to distribute systems
(kiosk-like) to about 10,000 locations throughout the US. These
systems would include a printer as well as the CPU and monitor. The
systems would allow semi-captive audience customers to retrieve static
pages as well as video/audio stored locally (application is therefore
a fat client) of content pertinent to the customer interest (via a
nice easy to use menu). (Probably similar to systems available at
many public libraries but specific content would also be different
from libraries). In addition we want the kiosks to allow customers to
retrieve content not stored locally via the Internet. So the kiosks
need a (probably broadband?) connection to the net.
What issues should we expect to encounter?? What solutions exist to
those issues??
1. Permission for the placement of the kiosk is not a problem nor is
physical security at the sites.
2. What about electronic security??
3. Generation of pertinent content is not a problem but surely there
are issues surrounding delivery of said content (i.e. update of 10,000
remote locations)?? Content might change each week. What are
practical alternatives??
4. What are the communications issues?? How to solve them??
5. What are the hardware failure issues?? How to solve them??
6. What are the application software upgrade issues?? How to solve
them??
7. Hardware is intel based. Would Linux or NT/W2000 be the better
operating system for this kind of application??
8. If the operating system has a problem, how do we fix and reboot??
9. Since most of the content is static there does not seem to be a big
need for a big DB (at least for content). However, we do want to
capture customer demographics and store them in a DB at a central
host. Which DB?? And do all 10,000 kiosks "phone home" each night to
deliver data or does the host initiate a contact to each remote
station each night to pull data??
Other issues??
--
eCommerce Knowledge Seeker
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