Linux-Advocacy Digest #444, Volume #29 Wed, 4 Oct 00 10:13:06 EDT
Contents:
Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway? ("Chad Myers")
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) ("Aaron R.
Kulkis")
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? (Jeff Szarka)
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? ("Fr�d�ric G. MARAND")
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? ("Fr�d�ric G. MARAND")
Re: Off-topic Idiot Olympics (Marty)
Re: Off-topic Idiots (Was Bush v. Gore on taxes) ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Do Linux suXX??? ("[EMAIL PROTECTED]")
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?) (Roberto
Alsina)
Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway?
Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 13:00:51 GMT
"David M. Butler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Bob Hauck wrote:
>
> > How _do_ you turn off DMA on an IDE disk in NT? Probably a registry
> > key that's documented someplace in the bowels of MSDN. Where granma
> > won't ever find it.
(I didn't get this post, for some reason, so I'm replying through you, sorry)
There is a utility from MS either free for download or in the Resource Kit
Utilities (also free) called "dmacheck" which allows you to enable or
disable DMA.
NT doesn't enabled DMA by default and didn't get DMA funtionality until
Service Pack 3, IIRC (DMA wasn't really out until the time SP3 hit anyhow).
The "best" way to get full, speedy, DMA functionality is to go to Intel
and download the Intel PIIX4 ATA drivers. These are the best. If you don't
have an Intel motherboard... good luck.
-Chad
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 09:02:12 -0400
Loren Petrich wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Aaron R. Kulkis
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Loren Petrich wrote:
>
> > > And Mr. Kulkis seems to like everything that he professes to object
> > > to when it's military. So the ideal way to get even the grossest pork
> > > past the Kulkises of the world is to claim some "national defense"
> > > purpose to it.
>
> > I'm one of the first to admit that defense spending is abused.
>
> Praise with faint damns.
>
> > What I can't figure out is why you advocate running the ENTIRE
> > ECONOMY IN THE SAME FASHION.
>
> I've never advocated that.
>
> > Robinhood stole from the tax collectors and returned the money to the
> > people.
>
> Law-abiding means paying taxes. What part of that do you not
> understand?'
Taxes collected for the purpose of giving the money to someone
else are unjust, and, by the Constitution, Illegal.
>
> --
> Loren Petrich
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Happiness is a fast Macintosh
> And a fast train
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: Jeff Szarka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.arch,comp.lang.c,alt.conspiracy.area51,comp.os.netware.misc,comp.protocols.tcp-ip,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 13:19:19 GMT
On Tue, 03 Oct 2000 23:30:42 -0400, unicat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
<snip>
>The two biggest components of ".net" are the use of XML to replace HTML,
No they're not. I guess until they make a movie about .NET you won't
know the "facts" of it.
<snip>
>in other words, MS has reinvented Java and Java clients.
What are you talking about? The thin-client aspect of .NET is possibly
10% of what Microsoft is trying to do.
>Of course, given Microsofts history, this was probably inevitable....
>(As seen in the movie "Pirates of Silicon Valley")
Movies are the best place to get facts... Especially bad made for TV
movies.
>They didn't write the original DOS, but conned some poor sucker out of
>the code for $50K, without disclosing that IBM was willing to pay
>millions
That's how business works. If you need recommendation of movies to
watch to understand this I'll put a list together.
>for it. They obtained the source code for the Mac OS by promising to
>port MSWORD
>to it, then used it to create the first commercial version of Windows
>instead.
The first version of Windows was a DOS shell. Trying to use the MacOS
source code to create it would have been harder than just starting
fresh.
>Some of us think that Internet Explorer is a rip-off of Netscape, and
>that
Ok, now I realize this post is a joke but I've already got this far so
I'll just finish it off.
>the new MS directory services are an imitation of Novell Directory
>services....
Uh... It is. MS used many open standards creating AD.
>So it makes sense that when Microsoft figured out that the PC was dying,
>
>they would copy their next-generation architecture from their most
>successful competitor.
>
>But why is MS doing this? Why abandon PC-centric computing?
>To paraphrase Bill Clinton, It's the money, stupid!
>MS stock started falling when Win2K was announced, and took a 10-point
>nosedive when Win ME came out.
>WHY?
Again, there isn't a movie about this yet so...
MS lost a anti-trust trial. That'll tend to hurt your stock.
>Could be because people realized that Microsoft has run out of gas. They
>can't
>find any new bells and whistles to hang off of Windows to make people
>buy new
>versions. And MS makes exactly $0 from people who just continue to use
>the old Windows OS. Remember, MS isn't in the business of helping your
>business to prosper, they're in business to make MONEY. Think of the
>last decade
>or so. It used to take a 16Mhz 386 PC with 4MB of RAM and a 120MB hard
>drive to allow you to run WORD, Excel, and a project planner, and to
>send and
>receive e-mail. Since then we've thrown out our hardware and replaced
>our
>software five or six times, and for what?
>The same basic office functions!
And this is Microsoft's fault because? If you like your old hardware,
keep it.
>And support staff demands have probably doubled at the same time. Some
>people are fed up. They're tired of the MS churn-and-burn cycle that
>pumpscash out of their wallets and delivers nothing but hype in return.
>
>So now, in order to protect MS revenues, Redmond will have to switch to
>a mode where people "rent" Windows instead of buying it. Of course, in
>order to
>do this, they'd have to kill off all those existing PCs that are working
>
>just fine with the old windows. So.. just coincidentally, along comes
>the MS
>X-box. Which they "claim" is a game console. But with the reported
>733Mhz pentIII, 64MB RAM and 8GBHD, and High-speed LAN CONNECTION, it
>sounds
>more like the box is designed to be a client machine for a network
>centric
>next generation Windows - which just by coincidence MS is also starting
>to
>hype now.
MS has been denying software licenses to anyone creating non-gaming
software. The XBOX is a game console only. It has a hard drive
because:
A) It has Tivo like functions
B) It supports downloading new levels, game addons, etc.
C) The OS is stored there
D) Games are cached there for faster access
>So the next gen windows may be an Xbox client, accessing applications on
>
>an MSN server by subscription. With the buzz that MS has for eating its
>own
>children, if I worked for a PC manufacturer right now I would be hitting
>the panic button!
>
>Of course, If your users LIKE the PC centric model of computing, and you
>
>don't want to have to rewrite all your business apps into a whole
>new computing paradigm, and you don't want to pay, say, $50/user/month
>in "software rent" to MS, you can always use Linux!
>
>It has free office suites (like Star Office, and KOffice) which will let
>
>you keep all your data in its CURRENT format, instead of the absurdly
>difficult task of converting ALL your data to XML, and with the WINE
>(www.winehq.com) windows environment it will even let you keep
>running the office suites that you already OWN!
Yea, runs Office 2k like a dream. <insert sarcasm here>
(For the old timers in COLA, I was asked once to prove my statement
that zealots claim WINE will run most/all software. I found a lot of
them but didn't have the time to search for the perfect quote. All I
can say now is, I TOLD YOU SO.)
>After all, Linux is supported by virtually every computer maker -
>IBM,.HP, Sun, Compaq, Dell, SGI, etc.etc. Which WON'T likely be true of
>MS once
>they enter the computer business themselves and start competing with
>their
>former allies.
>
>But if you really want to convert your whole enterprise to the Sun
>vision of "The network is the computer" network-server-centric
>computing, why not
>use the time-tested, standards-based, enterprise approved original from
>Sun,
>instead of being a guinea pig for MS as they struggle to survive into
>the post-PC era???
>
>
>
Someone should make a movie about this post...
Oh, they did...
Forest Gump.
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From: "Fr�d�ric G. MARAND" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.arch,comp.lang.c,alt.conspiracy.area51,comp.os.netware.misc,comp.protocols.tcp-ip,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 15:32:01 +0200
Since March 1989 (RFC 1094), it's as good a de facto standard as any other.
CIFS is not.
Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a �crit dans le message :
n0yC5.4035$[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Standards based? Since when is Java a standard? Since when is sun's NFS
a
> standard?
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From: "Fr�d�ric G. MARAND" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
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Subject: Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 15:34:39 +0200
2 + 2 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a �crit dans le message :
8rf209$npo$[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> M$ doesn't sell hardware.
You should tell that to Logitech, Genius, Cherry, and a bunch of others
manufacturers on the Mouse, Keyboard and Joystick market. They'll surely be
much relieved, don't you think ?
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From: Marty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Off-topic Idiot Olympics
Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 13:39:21 GMT
Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
>
> On Wed, 04 Oct 2000 04:11:24 GMT, Marty wrote:
> >Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
> >>
> >> On Wed, 04 Oct 2000 00:18:55 GMT, Marty wrote:
> >> >Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> On Tue, 03 Oct 2000 23:05:33 GMT, Marty wrote:
> >> >> >> Now that's what I call a Tholen-war.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >On what basis do you make this claim?
> >> >>
> >> >> On the basis that it satisfies the definition of the term previously
> >> >> posted.
> >> >
> >> >Classic illogical circular reasoning.
> >>
> >> It's logical
> >
> >Classic pontification.
>
> On what basis do you make that claim ?
Witness your pontification above.
> >> unless you object to either the aforementioned definition
> >
> >What alleged "aforementioned definition"?
>
> My original definition of the term "Tholen-war".
Still using made-up definitions? Meanwhile your "Rebbechi-war" is in full
swing.
> >> or the assertion that this discussion satisfies the criteria for that
> >> definition.
> >
> >You're presupposing an "aforementioned definition", Donovan.
>
> Such a definition indeed exists.
Where, allegedly?
> >>>>>>>>>> did
You didn't write that, Donovan.
> >>>>>>>>> didn't
I didn't write that, Donovan.
> >>>>>>>> did too
You didn't write that, Donovan.
> >>>>>>> did not
I didn't write that, Donovan.
> >>>>>> did too, see above.
You didn't write that, Donovan.
> >>>>> incorrect
I didn't write that, Donovan.
> >>>> illogical
You didn't write that, Donovan.
> >>> incorrect
I didn't write that, Donovan.
> >>I know you are but what am I ?
You didn't write that, Donovan.
> >illogical
I didn't write that, Donovan. Taking forgery lessons from Moul?
> incorrect
Classic pontification.
> ...
> ad infinitum
Impossible.
> Yeah, he's in my killfile.
Evidence, please.
> I'm just hazarding an educated guess about the content of the debate.
Why not stick to the facts?
> [1] In response to these discussions, I propose the
> following definition:
What you propose is irrelevant. What you can prove is relevant.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Off-topic Idiots (Was Bush v. Gore on taxes)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 13:42:34 GMT
Donovan Rebbechi writes:
> David T. Johnson wrote:
>> Marty wrote:
>>>>>> Congratulations to all of you.
>>>>> He's not only the club President, he's also a member!
>>>> Your typical garbled, illogical, nonsensical comment.
>>>> Maybe you should do some work on that "Grad School in Texas" thread.
>>> Reading comprehension problems? How ironic, given you grammatically
>>> incorrect statements.
>> Your 'given you grammatically incorrect statements' is itself
>> grammatically incorrect which is even more ironic. But what should
> Now that's what I call a Tholen-war.
Inappropriately.
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From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Do Linux suXX???
Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 13:50:51 GMT
...care for some healthy reading good folks?
ok here you have it:
http://www.osopinion.com/Opinions/MontyManley/MontyManley15.html
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.arch,comp.lang.c,alt.conspiracy.area51,comp.os.netware.misc,comp.protocols.tcp-ip,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 09:54:00 -0400
Otto wrote:
>
> "unicat" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> After a few snipping...
>
> : Of course, given Microsofts history, this was probably inevitable....
> : (As seen in the movie "Pirates of Silicon Valley")
> : They didn't write the original DOS, but conned some poor sucker out of
> : the code for $50K, without disclosing that IBM was willing to pay
> : millions
>
> IBM wasn't willing to pay millions for the "original" DOS, it was more like
> in the range of $50K. As part of the contract they allowed Microsoft to sell
> DOS to other hardware, since there was none at the time. Little did IBM
> know.....
IBM's GREATEST MISTAKE was making a machine which anybody could
copy in his garage.
It TOTALLY blew the "IBM Mystique" when clones with BETTER SPECS
started appearing on the market at less than 1/2 the price.
Up until then, IBM had a near total-lock on the computer market,
because NOBODY ever questioned whether all that money going to
IBM was actually a good performance/price ratio.
With the introduction of clone PCs, everybody quickly realized
that IBM had been overcharging for dumbed-down products for years.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?)
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 10:55:26 -0300
El mar, 03 oct 2000, Richard escribi�:
>Roberto Alsina wrote:
>> El mar, 03 oct 2000, Richard escribi�:
>> >It's the *corporation* that decided to use the automated stock trading
>> >system, NOT the bozo who created the system, nor the bozo who installed
>> >it, nor the bozo who's maintaining it!
>>
>> But the bozo who decided that such a system should exist and perform that task?
>
>Answers to other people in the corporate structure. The decision to create
>and use an automated stock trading system is a perfect example of a human
>decision that transcends the human level and rises to the corporate level.
>It is a corporate decision.
Someone makes the decision. Decisions don't surge out of a vacuum.
>> >If you manufacture a fridge then sell it to me and install it in my home,
>> >are *you* the one that's refrigerating my food for me??
>>
>> No, you are.
>
>Exactly.
So? Or you actually believe this analogy flies?
>> >The robot is an extension of the corporation and it welds because it is
>> >the corporation's will.
>>
>> According to the definition of will you gave before, the robot's control
>> program has will of its own that causes it to weld.
>
>That's like saying that your arm has will because it has nerves in it
>that respond autonomously (ie, autonomous reflexes).
That's why I say your definition of will is overinclusive.
> Your arm's will is an extension of your own will. Similarly, the robot's
> will is an extension of the corporate will.
>
>> ><sigh> Learn something about the philosophy of science some day.
>>
>> Perhaps if you said something of substance beyond insults, I would care about
>> your opinon.
>
>Perhaps if you ever bothered thinking about what I write long enough
>to respond intelligently you would see the substance behind my words.
I do think. I see smoke and insults. If it's because of my inadequacies or
yours, I leave to the public to decide.
>> >And if someone opened a window that let in the gust of wind that
>> >caused it to crash, then is it still my action that caused it to
>> >fall?
>>
>> Your imprudence caused the fall. Just ask your mother.
>
>Fuck the old hag.
Is your mother a psycopath? Or, on the other hand, do you have any empathy
towards her?
>Now, if you asked someone whose opinion I *might* care about, say a
>random stranger on the street, then I'm sure they would say that it
>wasn't my fault.
Please keep whatever problem you have with your mother for yourself.
>> >Stock trading systems exist because it is the corporation's will.
>>
>> No, it's the manager's will that the corporation shall have such a thing.
>
>The manager does not have any independent will in regards to these matters.
Nonsense. He has the power to make certain decisions, other managers have the
power to make others. But those he makes, are his.
[snip strange rant, since it's assuming the error above]
--
Roberto Alsina
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Subject: Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
Date: 4 Oct 2000 07:38:02 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
unicat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> The following are the opinions of the author, nothing more, nothing
> less.
They're completely off-topic in comp.lang.c, and you've cross-posted to
so many unrelated newsgroups that you're almost certainly a troll.
Fortunately that relieves me of any necessity to analyse the content of
your post.
*subject and poster plonk*.
--
Chris "electric hedgehog" Dollin
C FAQs at: http://www.faqs.org/faqs/by-newsgroup/comp/comp.lang.c.html
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