Linux-Advocacy Digest #458, Volume #29 Wed, 4 Oct 00 21:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway? (Michael Marion)
Re: Migration --> NT costing please :-) ("Chad Myers")
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (STATIC66)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (STATIC66)
Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway? (Steve Mading)
Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway? (Steve Mading)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (STATIC66)
Re: Id Software developer prefers OS X to Linux, NT (Bryant Brandon)
Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway? (Steve Mading)
Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway? (Steve Mading)
Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway? (Bob Hauck)
Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway? (Bob Hauck)
Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway? (Steve Mading)
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From: Michael Marion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway?
Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 00:02:59 GMT
Drestin Black wrote:
> I guess we both should add "YMMV" to these sorts of comments eh? (in the NV
> thread I meant to represent the majority who've had no problems, versus the
> higher level of dissatisfaction with drivers from other chipsets).
Actually it's probably best to do a CYA manuever and put that in _all_ usenet
posts.. ;)
My issue with my nvidia chips was a tad more then a YMMV problem though.. I
mean we're talking two different video chipsets (Geforce and Geforce 2), on
two different mobos from different manufacturers with different chipsets, and
a handful of different drivers for both... all combos up to the Det3 drivers
were flaky as hell.
--
Mike Marion - Unix SysAdmin/Engineer, Qualcomm Inc. - http://www.miguelito.org
In 1984 mainstream users were choosing VMS over UNIX. Ten years later
they are choosing Windows over UNIX. What part of that message aren't you
getting? - Tom Payne
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Migration --> NT costing please :-)
Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 23:59:03 GMT
"Adam Warner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8rg780$r06$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Hi Chad,
Howdy from Texas!
> >> 1) 2xNT4 or Window 2000 Server licenses to provide RAID1 on both
> >> computers.
> >
> > Windows 2000 professional will do all this.
>
> I wasn't aware I could set up software RAID using Win2k Professional. The
> only ability I could find was to set up a larger logical partition.
Sure can. You can do RAID0,1, and 5 in Windows 2000 *.*. Open up
"Computer Management" from the Administrative Tools program folder and
then click on "Disk Management" underneath "Storage".
Hit F1 and do a search for "RAID", it'll tell you all about it.
> >> 2) 4xCPU licences for MS-SQL.
> >
> > MSDE (essentially a free copy of MS SQL Server 7.0 limited to 2GB of db
> > size) is free and runs on everything from Win95 to Win2000 DC server.
>
> What does "essentially a free" mean? Will this mean I won't be able to use
> the server to also serve content?
Free. Download, install serve. It's free. The only limitation is that you
have a database size limitation of 2GB. If you have more data than that,
the cost of SQL Server 7.0 Std edition probably isn't of much relevance
to your company or yourself.
The only thing it doesn't come with is the SQL Enterprise Manager which is,
IMHO, one of the greatest things about SQL Server over competitors (like
Oracle which is no good tools and the ones you can buy cost as much as
small countries).
If you know someone who has SQL Server you can borrow their CD and just
install the Administration tools. I believe this is legal, but I'm sure
MS isn't going to bust your door down just for installing Enterprise
Manager.
If all else fails, you can still just use any of dozens of free SQL
editors and worksheet programs to create the schema and stored procs
yourself (yes, it even does views and stored procs too!)
> >> 3) 1xMS Proxy Server(?)
> >
> > Win2K has ICS (with NAT functionality) built in.
>
> Odd, I wasn't aware it came with firewalling, which was part of the
> requirement.
What exactly do you need? Firewalling is a relative term. ICS provides
NAT services and incoming packet routing (i.e. redirect port 80 to
an internal web box) and Win2K provides IPSec and packet filtering
natively.
Barring that, there are a host of affordible 3rd party firewall solutions
like Black Ice Defender which, IIRC, is ~$40.
> >> 4) 1xOffice 2000 Premium for Mail client, Frontpage, etc.
> >
> > Outlook Express is free and comes with IE which is free. FrontPage is
> > not necessary for web development, in fact, it's not recommeneded unless
> > you've never written one line of HTML in your life.
>
> I did ask for a "full MS solution" (probably unfair).
You mean like Exchange? Well, Sendmail won't get you scheduling, collaboration,
public folders, etc either, so if you just want POP3 and SMTP, SMTP comes
with Win2K (SMTP Server with PWS or IIS) and POP3 can be provided by any
number of free or competitively (<$100) priced 3rd party vendors.
There is no free collaboration server that rivals Exchange, so you're not
comparing apples to apples, if that's what you mean.
> > So the list actually comes down to:
> >
> > 1.) 2 x copies of Win2K Professional at ~ $200ea. You can get OEM prices
> > since you purchased new hardware, contact your vendor.
> >
> > That's it!
>
> Jason addresses the licensing issues.
Well, you never really mentioned how many people were going to be accessing
this. Are these just web servers? In that case, PWS isn't limited to incoming
users, IIRC. If you need filesharing for an enterprise, then yes, you'd need
Win2K server. Be more specific, and I can be more specific in return.
> <snip>
> > Sure, it's anecdotal, but then, you really haven't provided any evidence
> > to the contrary.
>
> Funny, I don't need anecdotal evidence, they're working right now!
It seems you're not interested in fair dicussion here. You've made up your
mind and you just want to defend your decision. Are you serious or not?
>
> >> Or more importantly, who really believes MS can sustain a lower TCO if
> >> a MS solution is indeed more attractive at this point in time?
> >
> > Everyone who has deployed an MS solution properly and is reaping the
> > benefits.
>
> Well you'd have to because the costs are so great :-)
You can't expect to make lots of money without spending a little. You addressed
TCO concerns. The ROI and TCO (note the 'T' in TCO) are far lower than Linux.
> <snip>
> >> and the development rate appears much faster.
> >
> > And quality has fallen through the floor as a result. Cite: Red Hat
> > 2500+ bugs in a rushed 7.0 release.
>
> Haven't noticed any significant ones yet (apart from being hacked off that
> they didn't compile in the IDE backport, making the installation rather
> difficult. They will finally be officially included in the 2.4 kernel
> though).
>
> Rushed? I've been waiting for it for ages.
Not my words, the words of developers working for or with Red Hat. See
their Bugzilla page about the release of RHL 7
> At least I can be rather optimistic that bugs will be fixed, and rather
> rapidly. And am actually able to converse with developers. And won't be
> told to buy the next version to get bug fixes.
You don't get that in Win2K either. So far, there've been no major bugs
reported in Win2K. A few minor security (DoS) issues w/ Windows Media
Services, but that's about it. That whole 65,000 "bugs" was a complete
sham by none other than, you guessed it, The Register.
Please keep your ignorant slants to yourself.
-Chad
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From: STATIC66 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 00:32:33 GMT
On 2 Oct 2000 19:02:43 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Loren Petrich) wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Loren Petrich wrote:
>
>>> > Hillary Clinton goes into a restaurant for the first time on her own and
>>> > doesn't tip a waitress.
>>> Cry me a river. If welfare recipients are not owed a living, then
>>> neither are waitresses.
>>Waitresses are working
>
> But the amount of money they get for their work indicates that
>their work is fundamentally worthless, right???
You really are clueless...The point he was making is that the nations
second most benevolent (her caring husband being #1) caring for the
poor, takes a community talking phoeny, cares SO much for the plight
of those less fortunate that she couldn't be bothered to leave a
tip...
Now anyone with half a brain knows that wait staff is paid a reduced
wage, and that tips are supposed to make up the rest of that wage.
But she "didn't know" (read: LIE) that she was supposed to leave a
tip. My ass, she is cheap with her own money and generous with MINE..
You mean to tell me that she is "in touch" with the average american,
that she is qualified to be a political "leader"..wouldn't the first
role of a leader be knowing who you were leading??
The truth is she doesn't give a good god damn about anything but her
own power. She like her husband is a two bit hustling criminal. I
think that is why you liberals get so angry, maybe you have finally
realized you've been duped and are desprately trying to save face.
>
>>Welfare scum are parasitic leaches.
>
> Cry me a river.
You like that one don't you??
>
>>> > Travel office employees fired lock, stock, and barrel for having
>>> > different political views.
>>> Cry me a river. This is a blatantly anti-employer statement, since
>>> it suggests that employers' freedom of action ought to be drastically
>>> limited. In fact, I'm surprised that employers are not summarily
>>> purging their employees for being so anti-employer. And maintaining a
>>> blacklist of disrespectful would-be employees.
>>You have a right to fire employees.
>>You do NOT have a right to have them brought up on trumped-up charges.
>
> Cry me a river. If it was anybody but the right-wingers' favorite
>villains doing this, the right wing would have moaned and groaned that
>this action did not go far enough.
So your arguement is that this action is somehow warranted??
>
>>> > Sexual abuse of interns.
>>> Cry me a river.
>>Truth hurts, doesn't it.
>
> No evidence that Monica Lewinsky had been sexually abused. In
>fact, Bill Clinton's unwillingness to cum made her feel
>less-than-successful at giving blowjobs.
How about the cigar??
>
>>> > Using the IRS as an attack dog against those you don't agree with.
>>> Cry me a river. All this whining about the IRS is the immaturity of
>>> those who discover that they have all these bills that they have to pay
>>> when they move out of their parents' house.
>>Demonstrates that government officials are NOT to be trusted.
>
> Even to command armed force???
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From: STATIC66 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 00:40:06 GMT
On 2 Oct 2000 19:15:48 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Loren Petrich) wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>STATIC66 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>Do you work in a technical field?? The majority of the "top echelon"
>>engineers are immigrants.
>
> But why are they so competent if they come from evil socialist
>hellholes??? There is a SERIOUS contradiction there.
1. Why do you think they left their homes???
2. They received their college education here.
3. A large number of them had wealthy parents, that ensured they
received a good elementary education. As opposed to the overwhelming
number of their former countrymen whom did not.
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From: Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway?
Date: 5 Oct 2000 00:37:40 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy . <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:> PIII-666? How about 667 you
:> yutz, no such thing as a PIII666
: Clock the chip yourself. 2 third party applications were nice enough to tell
: me that it was running at 666mhz. Besides, its much more fun to type 666
: instead of 667. Talking with the guy who sold me the video card (who used to
: work in R&D for motorola), it would seem that intel is pulling more of a marketing
: ploy than anything else.
Probably more like an avoidance of bad marketting. Calling it a 666
would cause agitation amongst certain religious yokels. Since the speed
is some fraction between 666 and 667, and it varies a little from machine
to machine, it's purely arbitrary whether to call it a 666 or a 667.
This is probably the same reason that one chip was called "Pentuim II"
instead of "Sexium" or "Hexium".
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From: Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway?
Date: 5 Oct 2000 00:39:26 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Christopher Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: "." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
: news:8rd66i$26rc$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
:> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Drestin Black <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
: wrote:
:>
:> > http://support.intel.com/support/processors/sspec/p3p.htm - show me the
:> > PIII666 on that list?
:>
:> You have misunderstood what I typed, dresden. I'm not naming the chip,
:> im describing it. It runs at 666mhz. It does not run at 667 mhz, and in
:> fact it CANNOT run at 667mhz. The fact that it is called a 667mhz chip by
:> intel is obviously a move to disassociate it from spooky evil columbine
:> type hacker idiots.
: Actually it runs at 666.6666666666 <etc> Mhz. Obviously intel has better
: math than whoever wrote your monitoring program.
Actually there is a tiny variation from one machine to the next.
A program that actually measures the real speed is to be trusted
more than marketting. 666.6666... is the *expected* speed.
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From: STATIC66 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 00:43:56 GMT
History..
HHMMM lets see you mean like repeatedly bailing out the rest of the
world...Ask France why they don't speak german???..Of course being
French, they will never admit it..They would rather nuke islands in
the southern pacific...
On Mon, 2 Oct 2000 22:51:07 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias
Warkus) wrote:
>It was the Tue, 26 Sep 2000 19:18:35 -0400...
>...and Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> NO...it is NOT.
>>
>> If the child's own parents have no interest in feeding their own
>> offspring...why should I?
>>
>> You see...YOUR method means STEALING MY RESOURCES so that they will
>> be used for the benefit of the progeny of some lowlife scum sucking
>> welfare whore and her equally contemptable alcoholic "boyfriends"
>
>Let's see...
>
>This phrase of yours translates to following axioms:
>
>- There are "normal people" like you, and there is "lowlife".
>
>- Of course all people are born unequal, since for example the
> children of "lowlife" don't deserve surviving (your kids probably
> do).
>
>- Corollary: "Lowlife" deserves to die.
>
>This is social Darwinism in its purest form. Maybe it's because you
>Americans have got neither history nor memory that you simply don't
>get what this kind of ideology inevitably leads to.
>
>mawa
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From: Bryant Brandon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Id Software developer prefers OS X to Linux, NT
Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 19:47:26 -0500
In article
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, dc
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
@>@>@>Before I run around trying to prove
@>@>@>things for you, would you mind telling me what all I need to prove
@>@>@>before I begin? You have a nasty habit of applying "bully rules" to
@>@>@>your conversations. ie, changing the rules midway when you start
@>@>@>losing.
@>@>@
@>@>@You have a nasty habit (you've done it here in this PC discussion of
@>@>@your lab's issues) of blaming a lot of things without having a shred
@>@>@of proof. I'm merely pointing out to you that you don't have that
@>@>@proof, so you really don't have any idea what's wrong or whether
@>@>@quotas/profiles are at fault (or would help).
@>@>
@>@> You don't want me to prove it. OK.
@>@
@>@I don't? I didn't say that. Learn to read. I said you can't because
@>@you don't have proof. You aren't capable of doing so. You may want
@>@to do it, but it probably isn't going to happen.
@>
@> I told you to be specific in what you wanted me to prove, and you
@>refused. So, no matter what I prove, you'll later saddle it with more
@>qualifiers/exceptions, and make me prove it all over again. But as soon
@>as you're willing to tell me what to prove, I'll be happy to prove it.
@
@Prove the disk issue would be solved by quotas.
No. I made no statement that it would, and in fact, I argued to the
contrary.
===========
Message-ID:
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 00:12:13 -0500
@@>@Sure. Now, do you typically have thousands of users logging into a
@@>@single machine *locally*?
@@>
@@> No, just about thirty. Argument still holds, just with fewer users
@@>and more data per user.
@@> So, quotas don't help? Then why did you bring them up?
@@
@@Quotas help. Do you not understand how quotas help? What part of
@@"quota" didn't you understand? Yes, too many profiles can overwhelm a
@@hard drive, but that's not a likely scenario at all.
@
@ It seems to have happened. Yes, I understand quotas, but you implied
@that they can solve this problem. They cannot.
===========
When I tell you to learn to read, I'm not kidding. You have no
reading comprehension skill at all. Dumbass.
@>@>@>@>@I haven't given contradictory information. I've given information
@>@>@>@>@that could apply in a variety of different scenarios, and you got
@>@>@>@>@confused.
@>@>@>@>
@>@>@>@> Yes, you gave a variety of scenarios. However, when you
@>@>@>@> presented
@>@>@>@>them, you gave _no_ indication that they were different.
@>@>@>@
@>@>@>@Your lack of technical understanding clouds the issues.
@>@>@>
@>@>@> By "technical knowledge," do you mean "familiarity with windows,"
@>@>@> or
@>@>@>do you mean "ability to read my mind"? Perhaps there is another
@>@>@>definition I did not consider. Please, elaborate.
@>@>@
@>@>@Familiarity with Windows, NT/2k in this instance.
@>@>
@>@> So, it's not really a lack of technical knowledge, as you stated,
@>@> but
@>@>a lack of familiarity with windows. Calling me nontechnical implies
@>@>that I am incapable of understanding, whereas I merely lack knowledge.
@>@>That was rather dishonest of you. Now, we've established that I don't
@>@>really lack technical understanding, merely a lack of information, how,
@>@>exactly, would that explain how I got confused, without assuming that
@>@>you're a poor writer?
@>@
@>@Spin...spin. Joe Ragosta would be so proud! (But he's off slinking,
@>@after we handed his guts to him on a platter for his incredibly
@>@numerous debacles and screwups.)
@>
@> It's not my fault you cannot write intelligently.
@
@I write *very* intelligently; you're spinning.
See above, dumbass.
[...]
@>@>@Spin...spin...spin.....
@>@>
@>@> To think I wasted so much rational reasoning on you when I could
@>@> have
@>@>just called you a dumbass in the first place. Such a shame.
@>@
@>@Spin...spin.... by your logic, driving a car gives you serious racing
@>@experience.
@>
@> Depends on how you drive it. By your logic, when you ask "Do you
@>have any driving experience at all?" you really mean "Do you have any
@>Indy 500 racing experience?" And, when someone who is just a regular
@>driver says yes, he is being stupid, juvenile, and a smartass. Why do
@>we have to read your mind?
@
@Sorry; administration experience isn't "Well, I hacked together one
@computer!" experience. Not by a long shot.
It was two, they were networked, I played with all the admin tools in
NetBSD of six years ago--whatever verison that was. Ergo, I
administered a network. Sure, it was a small network, and it was merely
to test out some stuff. But it was administrative experience regardless
of what you say.
Also, your question was poorly-worded.
@>@>@>@Can't you help yourself? "Pathetic" is the term that comes to mind
@>@>@>@when presented with a person that just gives up, and then vents in
@>@>@>@here all of his frustrations.
@>@>@>
@>@>@> I have not. I'm going through the proper channels. The fact that
@>@>@>you are too dumb to realize this even after multiple explanations is
@>@>@>not
@>@>@>my problem. Tell me, are you unable to read, or do you simply
@>@>@>refuse?
@>@>@
@>@>@You're a whiner.
@>@>
@>@> And you're a moron. Cope.
@>@
@>@How am I a moron? *YOU* are the one with the problem. *YOU* are the
@>@one that can't get it fixed. *YOU* are the one wasting time in here
@>@complaining. Sounds like you're the moron to me.
@>
@> You repeat false statements again and again, you cannot write a
@>coherent sentence to save your life, you like tossing about labels, and
@>you lay blame indiscriminately. Then, once you have finished all that,
@>you blame it on me. Truely astounding.
@
@Can you back any of that up?
Yes.
@YOU are the one with the problem on your
@lab computer; that's pretty self-evident.
Umm, no shit.
@>@>@>@I'm tired of telling you what's wrong;
@>@>@>@go find someone who works in the labs and tell him to help you. If
@>@>@>@you can't, tough cookies; that's not Microsoft's fault - it's yours,
@>@>@>@for giving up rather than getting help. If you want to attack me
@>@>@>@for
@>@>@>@suggesting you see the dean, more power to you, but you aren't any
@>@>@>@closer to solving the problem. Get off your ass and fix the
@>@>@>@problem.
@>@>@>
@>@>@> Your suggesting that I see the dean is one of your dumber comments
@>@>@> in
@>@>@>this forum.
@>@>@
@>@>@Fine; see someone else who can help you. Obviously you've been
@>@>@powerless up to this point; you really ought to figure out how to do
@>@>@-something-.
@>@>
@>@> Are you familiar with the practice of "stonewalling"? Basically, an
@>@>individual or group decides not to let someone do something, and it
@>@>(stonewalling) happens. UNT (or this portion of it) has decided not to
@>@>fix the problem or listen to me. Now, UNT is an institution with
@>@>milions of dollars and thousands of employees. I'm a student living
@>@>from paycheck to paycheck. Just what the fuck should I do? I've
@>@>explained why the dean is not an option.
@>@
@>@Fine - see someone else who can help you, rather than simply giving
@>@up.
@>
@> I'm sorry, did I call you a moron? Oh, wait, you earned it.
@
@You're the only one wearing that label.
Not likely.
@> I've been higher on the foodchain. At the lower levels they just
@>kick me upstairs, and at the higher levels they don't give a fuck. I've
@>made my rounds.
@
@You've spoken with everyone that can help? Next I'd suggest seeing
@the admissions department, so you can discuss why you are there if the
@computers there don't work.
I'm working on it. I do have classes/work, you know.
@>@>@> YOU have attacked them, reread the thread if you disagree.
@>@>@
@>@>@Please, Bryant. Those of us actually following the thread know the
@>@>@truth:
@>@>@
@>@>@On Sat, 30 Sep 2000 09:53:44 -0500, Bryant Brandon
@>@>@<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
@>@>@>@>@Call your desktop support staff.
@>@>@>@>
@>@>@>@> ...a bunch of monkies.
@>@>@__________
@>@>@
@>@>@I suggested you call them on the phone. You called them a bunch of
@>@>@'monkies' (sic). You are attacking them, not me.
@>@>
@>@> Oh goody! The quote game!
@>@>
@>@>--------
@>@>Message-ID:
@>@><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
@>@>Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 11:10:53 -0500
@>@>
@>@>@No, you're more than qualified to call your desktop support staff
@>@>@'shit'.
@>@>---------
@>@
@>@And you agreed with me in your very next post. Obviously, you've got
@>@some issues with your DT support team.
@>
@> Like I said, I merely agreed with you.
@>
@>Message-ID:
@><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
@>Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 23:57:07 -0500
@>
@>@ No, I have merely agreed with you. I do not attack the lab people in
@>@person because I know they are not responsible for the problem, and are
@>@about as powerless as I am. Also, attacking them would only serve to
@>@slow things down.
@>@ YOU have attacked them, reread the thread if you disagree.
@
@Sorry; that's not correct. You called them a bunch of "monkies", as
@you can clearly see above.
You can check the dates, which I took the liberty of including for
you edification.
And hold on, you accuse me of agreeing with you, I confirm that I
agree with you, and now you say that's not correct? Where's your brain?
--
B.B. --I am not a goat! http://people.unt.edu/~bdb0015
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From: Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway?
Date: 5 Oct 2000 00:45:40 GMT
Michael Marion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Jim McNeill wrote:
:> And every time I retire hurt. The first thing that always gets me is the
:> user-unfriendly window managers. The second is the utter pain of trying to
:> install anything - even with RPM you get dependency problems kicked up, and
:> the error messages never tell you which further RPM you need to find. And
: Now I know you're smoking crack... if you try to install an rpm and don't have
: something it depends on installed it will say "<blah blah> depends on
: <yyyyyy>-x.x.x.rpm"
: If that's not enough to help you... then you're a lost cause.
rpm is great, but the documentation in the man page is complete crap
and needs to be re-written. It is full of examples, but none of them
cover the most commonly needed use of the command: I have an rpm
file I have not installed yet and I want to see what files it's going
to install. (Like the "tar tvf" command for tar.) It turns out
that all the "query" commands for rpm assume you are trying to query
the already installed packages, but this isn't really stated very
clearly in the manpage.
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From: Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway?
Date: 5 Oct 2000 00:48:03 GMT
John Arebir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: I doubt that MS will "go away" in THIS century [...snip]
Especially since "this century" only has a few more months to go.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Subject: Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway?
Reply-To: bobh{at}haucks{dot}org
Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 22:04:33 GMT
On Wed, 04 Oct 2000 13:00:51 GMT, Chad Myers
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>There is a utility from MS either free for download or in the Resource
>Kit Utilities (also free) called "dmacheck" which allows you to enable or
>disable DMA.
Ok...the other guy thought it was in the Control Panel. Now I hafta go
look (not that it matters...most of my files are on a server).
Wasn't someone saying that Linux was bad because you had to use hdparm
to turn on DMA? And now you, an NT advocate, are saying it doesn't
turn on DMA either unless you download some obscure utility. At least
hdparm comes with the Linux distros.
>The "best" way to get full, speedy, DMA functionality is to go to Intel
>and download the Intel PIIX4 ATA drivers. These are the best. If you don't
>have an Intel motherboard... good luck.
Or use Linux. DMA works fine on a number of chipsets.
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| To Whom You Are Speaking
-| http://www.haucks.org/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway?
Reply-To: bobh{at}haucks{dot}org
Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 22:04:35 GMT
On 4 Oct 2000 11:42:05 -0500, Drestin Black
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>DMA is off by default for IDE devices with NT 3 and 4. You need to run a
>utility called DMACHECK to turn on it's DMA testing and enabling function.
Well, gee, thats *much* better than turning it on with hdparm in Linux.
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| To Whom You Are Speaking
-| http://www.haucks.org/
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From: Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway?
Date: 5 Oct 2000 00:50:35 GMT
James <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Learn to listen to the trolls - you may discover where Linux needs
: improvement !!!
That's true, but unfortunately you will also waste effort on things
that don't need improvement. Listen to the level-headed critics,
to be sure, but not the trolls. Unfortunately the level-headed
critics don't post as prolificly, so it takes effort to sift the
good stuff from the Myers's and Drestins.
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