Linux-Advocacy Digest #458, Volume #30 Mon, 27 Nov 00 00:13:02 EST
Contents:
Re: C++ -- Our Industry... (mlw)
Re: Whistler review. (Glitch)
Re: The Sixth Sense ("Les Mikesell")
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever ("Les Mikesell")
Re: C++ -- Our Industry... (Salvador Peralta)
Re: Whistler review. ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Whistler review. ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Whistler review. ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
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From: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: C++ -- Our Industry...
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 23:15:11 -0500
Salvador Peralta wrote:
>
> I wish I had a success story to relate on this one, but management
> decided to replace micromistake #1 with micromistake #2 and picked
> sequel to replace it because the original developer had since learned
> sequel and somehow convinced his manager that it would work, and after
> all, he was the one who had experience with the project. "It's easy to
> port applications from access to sequel. That's why I went with access
> in the first place."... lol.
>
> Needless to say, the design could NOT be ported to anything without a
> complete rewrite. That person has since left the company without doing
> the rewrite ( but after the new licenses had been purchased ).
>
> As I said, stupid in yields stupid out.
I have spent my time with networked xbase systems, the client/server
database model is far far better. MS SQL is an OK database, I'd go
Oracle if I had too, but I have had great success with Postgres.
Suffice to say, if one person is going to use the system, use something
like access. If you are going to share the database amongst more than
one person, pop the cash required for a database server. These days they
are cheap, and you WILL regret not doing it if you don't.
--
http://www.mohawksoft.com
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Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 23:19:01 -0500
From: Glitch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
Tom Elam wrote:
>
> On Mon, 27 Nov 2000 02:30:51 +0200, Tom Elam wrote this reply to "Ayende
> Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> >For now, I think that there is a good chance that Whistler will be as good
> >from win2k as win2k was from NT.
>
> That would make it a pretty impressive piece of software.
>
yep, only 2 crashes per day instead of 5, and only 5 employees angry for
their work being lost instead of 10 employees.
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Sixth Sense
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 04:15:48 GMT
"Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8vsa1h$5grsc$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
>
> > My windows version of Netscape 6 (release) has never run. It always
> > crashes with a DLL error message. Based on experience with other
> > programs under windows, I interpret this as a windows problem, not
> > something Netscape-specific.
>
> How can it be a windows problem?
> If Netscape crashes, it's Netscape problem.
How can it be a Netscape problem when I downloaded the same copy
everybody else uses? Dll problems are unique to windows.
> And, for what it worth, MS didn't release anything lately that can break
> Netscape, so this arguement is pointless.
So, what's wrong with it that would cause a freshly installed copy
to:
NETSCP6 caused an invalid page fault in
module XPCOM.DLL at 017f:60ca8bd9.
Registers:
EAX=00000000 CS=017f EIP=60ca8bd9 EFLGS=00010246
EBX=607282c8 SS=0187 ESP=0065fa54 EBP=0065fbf4
ECX=00000000 DS=0187 ESI=0084ed80 FS=2cff
EDX=00000000 ES=0187 EDI=00000000 GS=0000
Bytes at CS:EIP:
39 41 0c 74 03 8b 41 14 c3 8b 54 24 08 33 c0 3b
Stack dump:
60723de1 00000000 0084ed80 0084ed80 00000000 60721af9 0084ed80 0084ed80
80000000 00000000 607220da 00000000 0084ed80 00000000 0065fab8 60cc792b
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 04:15:48 GMT
"Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8vsa18$5grsc$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > This must be from very limited experience. I've had 2 NTFS's become
> > corrupt to the point where chkdsk would not fix them, and no e2fs's
> > that e2fsck wouldn't fix if you run it manually. I've never trusted
> > FAT much, so every time chkdsk mentions cross-linked chains or
> > the like, I just assume it is hopeless and reformat. DOS is just too
> > dumb to know or care if the FS is corrupt.
>
> What options did you use on chkdsk?
I don't remember, but it would have been the 'fix everything you can'
choice.
It is annoying enough that it dumps the recovered files with made-up names
in the root directory instead of isolating them somewhere, but when it
mentions cross-linked files you still end up with a mess.
> What do you lose when you run e2fsck manually?
Just the time it takes to do it. There is some limit to the number of
things
that it will fix in automatic mode and a busy machine, especially one with
a lot of RAM can easily have more unsync'd files than that.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Salvador Peralta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: C++ -- Our Industry...
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 20:24:37 -0800
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mlw wrote:
> This is just as much C++ as it is C. If there is no need to incur the
> cost of the object structure, then don't
Java's inability to do this seems like 1 good reason to dislike it. Not
that I have a particular dislike for Java ( or a particular anything for
java ).
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://salvador.venice.ca.us
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 23:27:13 -0500
Ayende Rahien wrote:
>
> I've finally gotten whistler (pro, 2296, beta 1), and I'm *liking* it.
Junkie scores a new bag of heroin...and he likes it!
Alert CNN!
Clue for the fucking clueless:
Ayende...you're a Monopolysoft addict....
> For those of you who doesn't know what this is, whistler is an the new OS
> (the one that will inherit both win2k & win ME) from Microsoft, destined to
> finally eliminated the 9x line.
We'ver heard this song and dance for the last 5 years...
>
> Here is my biased review.
^^^^^^
Understatement of the week.
> I'm going to limit myself to comments about the new GUI and features of the
> OS, as this a Beta1, it's not yet appropriate to talk about performace and
> stability yet.
Why not? A beta-test Gould PT/X system had uptimes of over 10 weeks...
and that was before we discovered hardware bugs on the memory boards!
>
> Starting with the install, you stick the cd in the drive, set the BIOS to
> boot from the CD, and you are done.
> Strangely enough, I have the system up and running without returning to the
> BIOS to change the settings, and it's still working.
Linux had this years ago. What's your fucking point?
>
> The installation itself is pretty similar to Windows 2000, blue screen in
> text mode, and afterward the familiar wizard style.
> The main difference is that it's now uses the "simpler start menu" as a
> background.
Fascinating....a new .bmp file.
> Installation took little longer than an hour, most of the time to format a
> NTFS HD.
> After the text mode, which require some little knowledge in the computer's HD,
This is *intuitive* ???
What would happen if the average Joe LoseDOS-luser had to provide
information about his HD before getting his LoseDOS machine to work?
> the installer required very little input from the user, and did all the
> configuration on its on.
> The computer is win2k HCLed, btw.
>
> As a note:
> For some reason, it thinks that I've multiply monitors, likely because I've
> a TV-Out card. This doesn't seem to cause any problems whatsoever, so I
> don't think I would bother to fiddle with it in the near future.
Translation: Experienced has taught me that when M$ installations make
erroneous assumptions, it's better to ignore it....because correcting
the mistake causes even more severe problems.
>
> The new startup screen is cool, but I like the win2k one better, the win2k
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Big fucking deal. A startup screen does not an OS make.
> one provide some (limited, but real) information on how much progress the OS
> had in loading itself.
> Whistler's startup screen provide no such information, in that, it's very
> much like the win9x startup screens.
I.e. Typical Microsoft no-information system.
>
> The system finished loading, and you get a pretty wizard like interface
> which explained you how to use the computer (can't report much about this, I
> quited this part when it started explaining how to you the mouse.), ask you
> whatever you want to register at Microsoft.com, and help you setup a dial up
> account.
> Then you create users, You can create up to six users in this screen.
^^^^^^ ^^^^^'
you misspelled "lusers"
> I don't like this way very much, all the accounts you create this way are
> admins, with no passwords set on them, and you get *no* warning about this.
FUNDAMENTAL Security hole.
And of course....nobody ever noticed this during the alph-test stage.
IT's Monopolysoft. If you were expecting better, then you're a fool.
> The user interface itself, for that matter, isn't very good comparing to NT or 2000.
> You can enter a user's name, and a picture, if you like, but that is about it.
> Accounts are created without passwords by default, another thing I don't like.
FUNDAMENTAL Security hole.
And of course....nobody ever noticed this during the alph-test stage.
IT's Monopolysoft. If you were expecting better, then you're a fool.
> And when you login, all the accounts on the computer are presented to you,
> which is another mistake.
FUNDAMENTAL Security hole.
And of course....nobody ever noticed this during the alph-test stage.
IT's Monopolysoft. If you were expecting better, then you're a fool.
>
> I can see the reasons behind this, of course, as the whistler I'm using is
> supposed to go to home users, where you rarely need such security measures,
Stupid fucking assumption. Lose95 and Lose98 were supposed to be
"for home users", too.
> and there are probably ways to fix those things, which I'm currently
> clueless about.
You're clueless about a lot of things.
> The biggest problem I've with this (all accounts being displayed) can
> apperantly turned off quite easily (I've not tested it yet, though)
>
> Strangely enough, by default, the desktop don't display the "My Computer"
> and "My Documents" icon folders.
I'll bet that confused the shit out of you.
> With those icons being probably the most important in handling windows, I'm
> quite sure it's a bug.
No...it was just a test to see how poor of an implementation would
be tolerated by the brainwashed legion of fanatics like yourself.
> Another bug I found is in the control panel>mouse>pointer options, where the
> "Show location" option doesn't warp, so the "y." (at least I assume that it
> what it's supposed to be) cannot be seen.
>
> The icons problem was fixed by right clicking the desktop, active
> desktop>customise my desktop, btw.
Again...HIGHLY intuitive.
And of course....nobody ever noticed this during the alph-test stage.
> I also recommend to use the "Proffessional" image as background to the
> desktop, totally cool.
The roof leaks, the front door won't shut, and the basement is
caving in, the water and sewer lines are rusted through, and
the gas leak in the basement could lead to an explosion at any
moment...but by God, those are might fine looking curtains.
>
> The entire GUI is cool, for that matter.
Cool LOOKING != functional.
> It feel like a game or a flash applet.
And your point is?
> The login screen, for example, is in pastel colors, and you've a list of
> users, with pictures near each name, and when your mouse is over a username,
> all the other usernames fade out.
This is of marginal utility at best....but typical Microsoft disk-space
waste.
> If you click a username, and it has no password, it moved to the center of
> the upper half of the screen, and it would tell you what it's doing (3 - 4
> seconds process) while it loads your settings.
3 to 4 SECONDS???
Like what...your user settings are 30 MB or something?
> If it has a password, it opens (open like a drawer, really cool) a box that
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
As you can see, Ayende is completely fixated on whether or not
his computer feels like a Nintendo machine or not.
> ask you to enter the password.
> On NT & 2000, you needed a *long* password to feel the password box, in
> whistler, it takes very few characters for the password box to be full on
> the black circles, so you've no indication whatever you are still typing.
Wow. So, this is an improvement on both NT and 2000, huh?
Or are you alleging that all of the alpha-testers COMPLETELY FUCKING
MISSED this....i mean...obviously, if they knew about this shortcoming,
the BRILLIANT programmers in Redmond would have taken the 30 seconds or
so to change the constants to fix this for the next rebuild.
so...now, the only question is....
WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH MICROSHAFT'S ALPHA-TESTERS???
Hint fucking hint!
There are none. What Microsoft calls "Beta test" is actually
the alphatest. After the alphatest is complete, Microsoft
RELEASES for sale the Beta-test version, and calls it the
production release.
Why?
Because fucked-head lemmings like Ayende are soooooo goddamned
desperate to slurp anything that seeps out of Bill Gates's anus.
> It makes sense, I assume, as it obscure password length to onlookers, and
> it's no worse than unix no showing what you type at all.
Actually, it is worse...because Microsoft's target market...clueless
newbie lusers...will stop typing once the box is filled up...
Which means that if this thing ever sells, there will soon be millions
of boxes with 3- or 4-character passwords out there.
Or...ANOTHER BIG FAT FREAKING SECURITY HOLE.
>
> I like the "simpler start menu", for now, at least.
> It would take some getting used to, I suppose. But I suspect it can also
> drive a person crazy, very easily. One thing that I already find annoying in
> this is that you can't logoff without using the mouse.
This from the same people who keep telling us that typing commands=evil
and mouse-oriented point&click is the fountain of all that is good and pure.
> And logging off is something that I think that I'll have to do quite often
> in Whistler, at least in the first period.
> You can revert back to the normal windows way, of course.
>
> Alt+Ctrl+Delete behave quite unlike what you expect.
> In 9x, it brings you a list of running application, which allows you
> (hopefully) to close them.
> In NT/2000, it brings a list of options, which I find more practical than
> the 9x one.
> In whistler, you get "Task Manager", which NT/2000 users should be familiar
> with.
A distinction without a difference.
> You can do everything you used to be abled to do with the NT ctrl+alt+del,
> except change your password, which must be done throught the user settings
> in the control panel.
>
> One of the coolest features in in Whistler is the ability to logoff and
> leave all your current applications working.
> User A log on, do some work, and has to go. He log off, and go away for some
> time. User B comes along, log on, do his stuff until he is done, and then he
> log off.
> User A return, he log on, all his applications are intact, for those of you
> who are familiar with NT/2000, it's similar to computer lock.
> Infact, in Whistler, Locking the computer is very similar to Switch user.
> One thing, though, if you play a cd and lock the computer, and log as
> another user, you still hear the cd. I've to test it for other sound
> programs, but I believe it's a CD related issue.
> You can also log off completely, thus releasing the resources that you took.
>
> Those of you who are familiar with linux, it's similar to Alt+F#, only in
> GUI.
> It's a little more cumbersome to move between users, because you has to
> logon to do so, but it's working.
> Unfortantely, there are no virutal desktops, such as there is in Gnome &
> KDe, which can be very useful.
> There is something which is called "Clean up notification area" which may
> provide similar ability. (The main reason for virtual desktop is to keep the
> taskbar or whatever you call it from cluttering, this should solve this,
> apperantly.)
>
> Whistler currently comes with IE & OE 5.6, which doesn't seem to offer any
> big improvement over IE 5.5, at least on the surface.
>
> To my joy, the wide languague support from 2000 remained on Whistler. (Which
> wasn't the case on ME, which really pissed me off)
> Trying to change different settings proved quite easy, although tooltips are
> too widely used, IMHO. But I can understand why they are neccesary, and they
> proved to be handy.
> Another problem is in the task bar, in normal winodws mode, the application
> on focus has its tab in the spacebar pressed, which make it easy to detect
> it.
> On Whistler (professional skin), the tabs on the applications are
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Note: Name chosen to pander to egotistical novices.
> highlighted, which takes getting used to. In the meantime, I get a lot of
> windows minimized when I don't want them to because of this.
> It's also hard to tell where one application tab is ending, and where
> another begin.
> And the scroll bars aren't a great idea either, white on pale gray is nice
> if you bother to actually *look* at it, but who looks at a scroll bar
> anyway? You want something that is easy for the eye to see.
Classic Monopolysoft ergonomics and software design...
> I like the skinning idea, but at the moment, I only have two (pro &
> classic), anybody knows whatever there are more out there?
Skins are for losers who think that changing a color palette (20+
year old technique) is a significant new technology.
>
> The Explorer has been changed quite dramatically. Now you can call it
> pretty.
> And the help system has been given a face lift as well. The Win95 help got
> the "Interface Hall Of Shame" award, I think that whistler's help system is
> at least a runner up for "Interface Hall of Face" award.
Who the fuck cares about that....does the new "help" actually
provide any information (other than the blindingly obvious),
or is it the same old Microsoft crap:
Help.... disk partition
a disk partition is a partition on a hard disk.
Windows help = wasted disk space.
> The entire GUI is very good, although I get a chuckle out of "Comments?" on
> top of everything.
> I wouldn't call Windows9x/NT pretty.
> Useful, yes, and the 2000 GUI is much nicer then those before it, but
> Whistler *is* pretty.
I really don't know what the fuck the book says, but the cover
sure is pretty.
>
> From the overall easiness of working with the system, I've to say that MS
> took a long hard look at the iMac success, which was largely based on its
> look and "just plug it in" slogan.
> And decided that they can do it better.
>
> I would refrain from commenting whatever they actually succeeded in that,
> because it's still a beta, and because I don't have that much experiance on
Wrong. Beta is what Microsoft sells when they announce the release.
What you're looking at is ALPHA....see the many screw-ups and design
flaws that you noted...design flaws that ANY competant alpha-testing-
and-patching would have fixed a long time ago (because they involve
trivial amounts of coding to fix).
> Macs.
> And practically none at all on an iMac or an iBook.
>
> However, in its current state, I have to say that Whistler is pretty awesome
> UI-wise. I'll have to study it much more to find out if it can serve as more
> than a toy.
Yeah...
making administrative accounts with no passwords is incredibly awesome....
NOT!
> Right now, I would rather use the beta than any win9x, including win98se.
That's an incredibly startling indictment of who Lose9x line....
> It's based on NT kernel, which mean it *can't* be as bad as the 9x line.
> At the very least, it's going to be a cool workstation.
The engine is shit, the exhaust leaks so bad that you'll die of
carbon monoxide poisoning if you drive it for more than 10 minutes,
but that sure is a damn good paint job, eh?
>
> For now, I think that there is a good chance that Whistler will be as good
> from win2k as win2k was from NT.
Define "good" in a way that doesn't rely on aesthetics.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 23:28:23 -0500
Tom Elam wrote:
>
> On Mon, 27 Nov 2000 02:30:51 +0200, Tom Elam wrote this reply to "Ayende
> Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> >For now, I think that there is a good chance that Whistler will be as good
> >from win2k as win2k was from NT.
>
> That would make it a pretty impressive piece of software.
Translation:
I think Whistler will be as good from pond scum as pond scum was
from whale shit.
>
> ---------------------------------------------
> Tom Elam
>
> http://members.iquest.net/~telam/
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 23:34:26 -0500
kiwiunixman wrote:
>
> Spicerun, calm down, I think Ayende is a little excited because Windows
> may actually reach the realiability of UNIX/Linux (which is very
> unlikely due to its very poor design/achitecture), however, I don't
> think it will happen. From the description, it seem like Whistler will
> be mega-mega-mega-mega-mega-mega-mega-mega-mega bloatware that will
> require a 1Ghz processor and 512MB RAM just so that it can run a decent
> level of responsiveness due to all the hairy-fairy addons a gizmo's
> Microsoft has added to the OS (which most people don't really need).
>
Actually....
Ayende was saying...
Wow....look at this car
It's great
It's fantastic.
They painted it at the factory!!!!
No, I don't know anything about whether the engine is any good,
or how it handles in turns....or even going in a straight line
down a highway at a mere 60 km/h (US 40 mph)...i only got to
drive it 5 feet forwards and back..
Yeah...I know there's no locks on the doors...and you can't
roll up the windows...and...you know...it doesn't have any
rear view mirrors...or seat belts...and that hand-crank in
place of the usual steering wheel is gonna take some getting
used to...and...yeah, it's kinda strange how they put the
radio upside down mounted on the floor...it's got a really
leaky fuel system...but...it's got a custom paint job...and
when I crack up on the highway, and die in a ball of fire...
well, it's gonna look really cool!
And...looking cool THAT's what's REALLY important...
> kiwiunixman
>
> spicerun wrote:
>
> > Ayende Rahien wrote:
> >
> >
> >> I've finally gotten whistler (pro, 2296, beta 1), and I'm *liking* it.
> >
> >
> > I DON'T CARE!!!
> >
> > I will still continue to run my Linux System which has performed for me better
> > than anything MS has ever done.
> >
> > <EOM>
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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