Linux-Advocacy Digest #548, Volume #29 Mon, 9 Oct 00 17:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: You Linux folks Just Don't Get It....
Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum
Re: You Linux folks Just Don't Get It....
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (.)
Re: Unix rules in Redmond (.)
Re: Unix rules in Redmond (.)
Re: Winvocates and Linvocates: What do you use your desktop OS for? (Pete Goodwin)
Linux DVD player! (Bartek Kostrzewa)
Re: You Linux folks Just Don't Get It.... (Jim Cameron)
Re: Free ISP for Linux? (mst)
Re: Off-topic Idiots (Was Bush v. Gore on taxes) ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux Sucks ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: You Linux folks Just Don't Get It.... ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: You Linux folks Just Don't Get It.... ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? (Mark McIntyre)
Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum
Re: You Linux folks Just Don't Get It....
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? ("Simon Cooke")
Re: You Linux folks Just Don't Get It.... (Gardiner Family)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: You Linux folks Just Don't Get It....
Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 19:49:33 -0000
On Mon, 09 Oct 2000 18:32:59 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>On Mon, 09 Oct 2000 18:12:40 -0000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] () wrote:
>
>
>> Your fallacy is the notion that pandering to power users or
>> even programmers implies that a system can't also pander to
>> less hardcore users.
>>
>> Jobs rather effectively disproved that idea a long time ago.
>
>No. My point is that until the typical Linux distribution comes with
>programs average Jane actually wants, like a decent browser, it will
You mean like office suites? or web browsers? or media players?
or media editors? or COMMERCIAL GAMES?
>remain a toy for the geeks.
>Again think home user, not back room server.
All you are doing is building an argument on lies.
>
>In that market, Linux is going absolutely no where. People are trying
>for sure, but dumping it when they see what it's all about and who it
>is aimed at.
Your claims are flatly contradicted by those that keep
statistics for the desktop marekt.
[deletia]
All of your verbal bile won't erase the egg you see on your face.
--
You may be gone tomorrow, but that doesn't mean that you weren't here today.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum
Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 19:51:20 -0000
On Mon, 09 Oct 2000 19:42:58 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Here is the part of the article I like best:
>********************************************************************************
>Meanwhile, Linux backer Compaq Computer is taking the open source
...not exactly what I think of when enterprise computing comes
to mind. Although, not being suited for the glass room hardly
keeps other OSes from decending upon the land like a plague of
locusts.
[deletia]
--
If you think education is expensive, try ignorance.
-- Derek Bok, president of Harvard
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: You Linux folks Just Don't Get It....
Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 19:53:42 -0000
On Mon, 09 Oct 2000 19:45:01 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Tell it to Compaq as they back up at least some of my points:
>
>http://www.wininformant.com/display.asp?ID=2944
>
>Meanwhile, Linux backer Compaq Computer is taking the open source
>software to task for not moving beyond its niche status. The
So? By your definition the whole of the server room is a
"just a niche" anyways...
[deletia]
Although, Linux is already 2nd in server marketshare as things
are already. So comments from you or Compaq on the future state
of things aren't really too relevant.
--
NOWPRINT. NOWPRINT. Clemclone, back to the shadows again.
- The Firesign Theater
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes
Date: 9 Oct 2000 19:55:18 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "." wrote:
>>
>> In comp.os.linux.advocacy STATIC66 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > On Mon, 09 Oct 2000 05:04:05 GMT, Loren Petrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Aaron R. Kulkis
>> >><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Loren Petrich wrote:
>> >>> >
>> >>> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Aaron R. Kulkis
>> >>> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >>> >
>> >>> > > Wrong. Millions of people go to college while earning
>> >>> > > what is considered to be "poverty level" incomes.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > ROTFL. Their tuition is always subsidized, however, whether by their
>> >>
>> >>> Mine wasn't.
>> >>
>> >> Look at the track record.
>> >>
>> >>> Purdue out-of-state tuition is NOT subsidized, and I wasn't
>> >>> getting anything from my parents, either.
>> >>
>> >> Cry me a river. I presume that you reimbursed the government for the
>> >>cost of military training also.
>>
>> > Yes I did, with hard work, sacrifice and months and months away from
>> > my family, whilst you enjoyed the freedoms I was protecting.
>>
>> Oh fuck you.
>> You made a choice to go put your life on the line for a bunch
>> of illusions and empty promises.
> I'm near the end of my 2nd 6-year enlistment, and I'll re-enlist again.
> Whatever financial benefits there are to military service, the personal
> development (at least in the Army) is priceless.
Thats very interesting. And sweet.
>> Big fucking deal.
> You sound like a typical liberal whiner.
Except that im actually not a liberal, and im not whining. You sound like
the typical brainless army-clone. Your mind is erased in basic, reprogrammed
in the next couple of years with exactly what your superiors want you to be
thinking----and you still completely believe that you are in control of your
own life.
hah.
> Why are you whining, whiner.
You're an idiot. I hope youre infantry. Itd suit you.
>>
>> > Actually smart one I think you would find that most mammals NUTURE and
>> > CARE for their young until they reach an age where they can provide
>> > for themselves. I think you were thinking of the cold blooded
>> > reptiles..
>>
>> I guess they didnt teach you anything in the military.
> The taught us that anti-Constitutional assholes like yourself are
> a threat to the security of our nation and way of life.
Anti-constitutional assholes? Youre going to have to qualify that. When
have I ever typed anything that was anti-constitutional?
You really are a huge idiot, mr. kulkis. You see enemies everywhere;
everything is a fight with you. Just like they taught you to think.
Congradulations, you are no longer human. :)
=====.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Unix rules in Redmond
Date: 9 Oct 2000 20:01:36 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Drestin Black <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:8rr80l$17l2$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Drestin Black <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>>
>> > "." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> > news:8roqhs$mit$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Drestin Black <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > "." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> >> > news:8rlb8a$ko2$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >> >> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Drestin Black
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> >> >> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >> >> >> Drestin Black wrote:
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> >> >> >> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >> >> >> > > Drestin Black wrote:
>> >> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> >> > > > what? WHAT?
>> >> > hahahahhahhhahahahahhhahahahaahhahhahhaahhhahahaahhaha
>> >> >> >> > > > <breath>
>> >> >> >> > > > hahahahhhahhahahahahahahaaahahahahahaaahahahhahahhaha
>> >> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > > No you know whe he's called Dresting LACK of facts...
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > "No"? Perhaps you'd like to learn to spell/type before
> making
>> > shit
>> >> > up
>> >> >> > eh?
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Drestin Lack of facts.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Happy now
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > I'll be happy when you go away and stop using up bandwidth with
> that
>> >> >> > self-mocking .sig of yours (hasn't anyone told you how stupid it
>> > makes
>> >> > you
>> >> >> > look)?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Actually, a more appropriate term for what his sig uses is "disk
>> > space".
>> >>
>> >> > Actually, it's both so quite pretending to know something. Given that
>> > disk
>> >> > space is incredibly cheap who cares ... given that bandwidth
> continues
>> > to be
>> >> > a premium item reducing redudant transmitted data is something...
>> >>
>> >> You have no idea what youre talking about.
>> >>
>> >> Tell me dresden, how large is usenet? I'll take a GB per day figure.
>> >>
>>
>> > something like 13 gigs and 350,000 articles a day or so, who knows, I
> don't
>> > really keep track of such stuff.
>>
>> Huh. That time you were off by nearly a factor of 5, including binaries.
>>
>> > So? The facts remain that disk storage is
>> > dirt cheap - terabytes are a yawn. But, try moving that real time -
>> > bandwidth... there's the issue.
>>
>> And how much ingress do you think a news server that carries a full feed
>> is doing?
>>
>> I'm watching one right now. Lets see how close you can get.
> I wrote my reply to the wrong sentence. I believe the INGRESS is 13 gigs and
> 350,000 articles a day OR SO.
Wrong. Its around 60. That would be drivespace.
> As I wrote, I really don't keep track of such
> things, but a guy I know who works at an ISP mentioned that figure some time
> ago. I don't work at an ISP nor do I spend time watching news servers. Do
> you fetch coffee for the system administrator too?
Actually, we get our own coffee here.
> You do know the larger the number you produce the stronger you make my
> argument right?
Actually no. 60 gigs is alot of DRIVE space. As any news admin will tell you,
the biggest problem in day to day news server operation is the fine tweaking
of expire; you need to use the most space possible without ever running out.
Again, this is a drivespace issue. The problem isnt that its expensive to
build larger and larger news arrays, the problem is that its a huge pain
in the ass. The idea is to get a bigger one than youre going to need for
at least a couple of years and use it to its capacity the entire time. Again,
a drivespace issue.
Bandwidth is negligable. A full-feed spooler is going to pull about 2megs/sec
average whether kulkis has a long sig or not.
=====.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Unix rules in Redmond
Date: 9 Oct 2000 20:04:22 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Drestin Black <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:8rr995$17l2$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Drestin Black <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>>
>> > "." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> > news:8roql5$mit$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Drestin Black <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > wrote:
>> >> >> Where is it again? [Windows 2000 Data Center]
>> >>
>> >> > It's released and in use already.
>> >>
>> >> Where?
>>
>> > <snip>
>>
>> > did you even read further down where you replied before you wrote
> "Where?"
>> > See, you KNOW it's been released but you play stupid (it's comes easily
> I
>> > understand)...
>>
>>
>> >> > small starting point:
>> >> >
>> >
> http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/guide/datacenter/studies/default.asp
>> >>
>> >> Ah. Nope, microsoft/compaq can still not even come close to touching
> IBM
>> >> in any way, shape or form.
>> >>
>>
>> > Let me requote this again: "Nope, microsoft/compaq can still not even
> come
>> > close to touching IBM in any way, shape or form."
>>
>> > OK, lets go here (you said ANY way):
>> > http://www.tpc.org/new_result/ttperf.idc
>>
>> > Lets see: IBM's ultimate very best attempt ever: 440,879 tpm/C for
>> > $14,232,696.
>>
>> > Wait, what's ABOVE it (in 1st place): microsoft/compaq: 505,302 tpm/C
> for
>> > only $10,445,169.
>>
>> > Why, what's this? ms/compaq 15% faster and 36% less expensive.
>>
>> Youve missed something rather large here, which I have no intention of
>> teaching you, but has something to do with this: The compaq machine
> tested
>> is the absolute top of the line piece of hardware that they make. Its
>> compaqs flagship model. It doesnt get better than that.
>>
>> The IBM machine tested, on the other hand, is an ultimately upgraded
>> representation of their intel-based webserver product.
>>
> So, does this actually make sense? IBM decides to test their NOT best
> product against everyone elses best?
> I mean, think about it. What sense does it make for IBM to not use their
> best possible performer? Why are they holding back, if you are to be
> believed. Why would they allow themselves to be beaten? I don't think so.
> AND, while it is the best Compaq they have available today - no one suggests
> it's the end of the road for thier developement. Compaq has 32 processor
> beasties coming out that run W2K datacenter which will eat the previous best
> scores for lunch.
You're right, dresden. How could I have ever doubted you. IBM's 4096
processor mainframe solution will never be able to hold a candle to W2K
running on 32 processors.
Yep.
=====.
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Winvocates and Linvocates: What do you use your desktop OS for?
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pete Goodwin)
Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 20:12:43 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Do you really care if Earth 2150 is really available for your
> platform of choice or not? What about the latest Deer hunting
> iteration?
A _few_ games are available on Linux. That's a drop in the ocean compared
to the numbers available to Windows.
> You're the one making sweeping generalizations.
Am I? I'd say "not enough apps/games on Linux is an old wives tale" is a
sweeping generalisation. Wouldn't you?
--
Pete Goodwin
---
Coming soon, Kylix, Delphi on Linux.
My success does not require the destruction of Microsoft.
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Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 22:16:23 +0200
From: Bartek Kostrzewa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Linux DVD player!
My dear friends, soon, really soon (ok, or a little later, but who
cares) Linux will finally have the DVD player it deserves.
http://www.intervideo.com/jsp/LinDVD.jsp
Hmm, I'm really looking forward to the release of this thingie, let's
wait and see.
--
Best regards,
Bartek Kostrzewa - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<<< http://technoage.web.lu >>>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Cameron)
Subject: Re: You Linux folks Just Don't Get It....
Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 19:15:15 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>We don't want compilers.
_I_ want a compiler. That's why I installed one when Slackware asked me
if I wanted to. I'm aware that there are people out there who don't
want compilers. Those are the people who answer "no" to that question.
Get it?
Actually this is pretty pathetic even by your standards. Got any new
arguments?
>Anything like Eudora yet?
>Sorry but I don't feel like configuring sendmail today, or any day for
>that matter.
In today's lesson, Claire learns the difference between an MUA and
an MTA ...
>Linux still lags far, far, far, far, behind Windows and this is
>evident by the number of sales of Windows ME.... Why would people pay
>for what really amounts to a minimal upgrade instead of getting Linux
>for free?
>They are not interested in Linux, that is why.
Surely that's their problem. Those of us with sense will continue to
use the tool for the job, be it Windows, Linux or a Commodore 64.
jim
--
http://madeira.physiol.ucl.ac.uk/people/jim/
"Revenge is an integral part of forgiving and forgetting" -The BOFH
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From: mst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: chi.internet
Subject: Re: Free ISP for Linux?
Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 16:18:11 -0400
NO SPAM wrote:
>
> Do any of the free ISP's work with Linux? How about with "Wine"? (the
> Windows emulator that comes with some Linux installations).
Try this:
http://www.freedomlist.com/
MST
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Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Off-topic Idiots (Was Bush v. Gore on taxes)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 20:27:25 GMT
Marty writes:
>>> David T. Johnson wrote:
>>>> Marty wrote:
>>>> [repetitive comments snipped]
>>> Sorry David, you lose.
>>>
>>> Stop being a hypocrite and grow up.
>> Practice what you preach, Marty.
> I wasn't the one preaching about off-topic posting while writing such
> postings.
You were the one preaching about "stop being a hypocrite and grow up",
Marty.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux Sucks
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 20:28:40 GMT
I have used AIX but no other commercial nix's. Linux is way out of
AIX's league, if only for chrp and concurrent diagnostics and repair
of the hardware running the OS.
I am not saying that Linux is hard, I am saying that it is being
largely ignored by the Windows desktop users, not the techno people,
but the average home user and the reason is applications.
The current Free Internet Access thread is a classic example.
Free internet access is a kludge, and a pita I agree, but for some it
is the only way they can afford to use the net.
FreeWeb (now Juno) was the only one I know of that supports Linux and
it doesn't anymore to the best of my knowledge.
Free internet and free Linux seem like a good combination to me :)
This is just one example. For a home user all the compilers and
editors in the world won't persuade him to switch if he needs free
internet access. Or children's educational programs and so forth.
The underlying OS is simply a means to the end result and Linux is a
fine operating system. In my opinion it should stay focused on the
advanced market, where it is making major gains in usage, and stop
trying to compete with desktop Windows.
Just my opinion.
claire
claire
On Tue, 10 Oct 2000 07:56:50 +1300, Gardiner Family
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>It is amazing how you have all this experience yet find it hard to use Linux? Or
>have you used a commercial UNIX and simpling saying Linux is not up to the standard
>of commercial Operating Systems?
>
>matt
>
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> Like I said in another thread, you hadn't even been hatched yet when I
>> was already working in IT...
>>
>> claire
>>
>> On Mon, 09 Oct 2000 21:55:00 +1300, Gardiner Family
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> >I got my first computer at the age of 7 (Amiga 500), I unlike most users, read
>> >book after book, knowing the in's and out's of computers, I taught my self how
>> >to program in AmigaBASIC. Unless you are willing to learn new things you will
>> >be stuck in the same place for the rest of your life.
>> >
>> >matt
>> >
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: You Linux folks Just Don't Get It....
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 20:30:55 GMT
Stop changing the subject jedi.
You know full well I am talking about the desktop.
claire
On Mon, 09 Oct 2000 19:53:42 -0000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
wrote:
>On Mon, 09 Oct 2000 19:45:01 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
>>Tell it to Compaq as they back up at least some of my points:
>>
>>http://www.wininformant.com/display.asp?ID=2944
>>
>>Meanwhile, Linux backer Compaq Computer is taking the open source
>>software to task for not moving beyond its niche status. The
>
> So? By your definition the whole of the server room is a
> "just a niche" anyways...
>
>[deletia]
>
> Although, Linux is already 2nd in server marketshare as things
> are already. So comments from you or Compaq on the future state
> of things aren't really too relevant.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: You Linux folks Just Don't Get It....
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 20:33:00 GMT
Nothing wrong with that, and for the desktop user, aka Jane Computer,
Windows is a better solution simply by the amount of applications
availible.
claire
On Mon, 9 Oct 2000 19:15:15 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim
Cameron) wrote:
>Surely that's their problem. Those of us with sense will continue to
>use the tool for the job, be it Windows, Linux or a Commodore 64.
>
>jim
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 20:33:41 GMT
You mean like Linux is trying to do?
claire
On Mon, 09 Oct 2000 19:51:20 -0000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
wrote:
>On Mon, 09 Oct 2000 19:42:58 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
>>Here is the part of the article I like best:
>>********************************************************************************
>>Meanwhile, Linux backer Compaq Computer is taking the open source
>
> ...not exactly what I think of when enterprise computing comes
> to mind. Although, not being suited for the glass room hardly
> keeps other OSes from decending upon the land like a plague of
> locusts.
>
>[deletia]
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From: Mark McIntyre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.arch
Subject: Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 21:46:07 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Stop crossposting to comp.lang.c !!!!
On Mon, 09 Oct 2000 00:37:47 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Caveman)
wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>Al Kossow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>In article <%E7E5.342$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>(Caveman) wrote:
--
Mark McIntyre
C- FAQ: http://www.eskimo.com/~scs/C-faq/top.html
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum
Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 20:48:31 -0000
On Mon, 09 Oct 2000 20:33:41 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>You mean like Linux is trying to do?
What Linux?
Linux Inc?
Linux Corp?
Linux Unlimited?
HA is a niche even amongst the larger server market. Otherwise,
NT would never have been able to go anywhere and DEC would never
have been bought out by the likes of Compaq.
>
>claire
>
>
>On Mon, 09 Oct 2000 19:51:20 -0000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
>wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 09 Oct 2000 19:42:58 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
>>>Here is the part of the article I like best:
>>>********************************************************************************
>>>Meanwhile, Linux backer Compaq Computer is taking the open source
>>
>> ...not exactly what I think of when enterprise computing comes
>> to mind. Although, not being suited for the glass room hardly
>> keeps other OSes from decending upon the land like a plague of
>> locusts.
>>
>>[deletia]
>
--
If women didn't exist, all the money in the world would have no meaning.
-- Aristotle Onassis
Your lucky number has been disconnected.
Kin, n.:
An affliction of the blood.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: You Linux folks Just Don't Get It....
Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 20:49:35 -0000
On Mon, 09 Oct 2000 20:30:55 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Stop changing the subject jedi.
>
>You know full well I am talking about the desktop.
IDC says that Linux is even gaining there.
It will overtake Microsoft's token competitor before too long.
>
>claire
>
>
>On Mon, 09 Oct 2000 19:53:42 -0000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
>wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 09 Oct 2000 19:45:01 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
>>>Tell it to Compaq as they back up at least some of my points:
>>>
>>>http://www.wininformant.com/display.asp?ID=2944
>>>
>>>Meanwhile, Linux backer Compaq Computer is taking the open source
>>>software to task for not moving beyond its niche status. The
>>
>> So? By your definition the whole of the server room is a
>> "just a niche" anyways...
>>
>>[deletia]
>>
>> Although, Linux is already 2nd in server marketshare as things
>> are already. So comments from you or Compaq on the future state
>> of things aren't really too relevant.
>
--
The older I grow, the less important the comma becomes. Let the reader
catch his own breath.
-- Elizabeth Clarkson Zwart
I don't know WHY I said that ... I think it came from the FILLINGS in
my read molars ...
The Moral Majority is neither.
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From: "Simon Cooke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 13:45:12 -0700
"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Said Simon Cooke in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
> >
> >"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> >If Microsoft is a lousy, anticompetitive company, or if Win32 doesn't
> >> >work on other platforms -- neither one of those makes the API
> >> >unworkable.
> >>
> >> I didn't describe it as unworkable; that was Simon Cooke, who was,
> >> characteristically, building a straw man. I said it was crap.
> >
> >I didn't describe Win32 as uinworkable, Max. Don't ascribe quotes to me
that
> >I didn't make.
>
> Then perhaps you should be willing to do the same:
>
> On Sun, 8 Oct 2000 01:50:01 -0700, in comp.os.linux.advocacy you wrote:
>
> >Each OS has its own paradigms in its design. Win32 is just different to
what
> >*you* or *they* are used to -- but rather than spend the time to get your
> >head around it and actually try to understand *why* it was done that way,
> >people go "Oh God! Totally unworkable API! Argh! Mummy!"
Where did I ascribe that quote to you Max?
Contrary to what you might think, not every post I write is about you.
Simon
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From: Gardiner Family <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: You Linux folks Just Don't Get It....
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 09:50:16 +1300
Claire has appointed her self as the guru of computing yet when it comes to a
valid argument she is stumped for a reply. I am no guru, however, I do however
actually analyse the facts. Many of the posts made my Linux Advocates saying
"Windows 2000 is slow", or "Windows 2000 is un-stable" are generally talking out
of there ass. I have used Windows 2000 Professional and found it a very stable
and reliable platform, however, I prefer to use Linux because of the unixness of
it (I like using the shell), and second, I have used Solaris 7 and 8 and found
them very reliable, however, the hardware support was terrible. I am not trying
to convert everyone to Linux like some Jehovah Witness, however, when I do
reply, I am simple replying to people who make false accusations regarding
Linux.
matt
Stuart Fox wrote:
> "Gardiner Family" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > What technical background do you have? probably none, Who are you? a
> > nobody! What education level do you have? none. Before you crap on about
> > issues that you have no background knowledge, get some of this knowledge,
> > then post a valid and informative post. Unless you wake up to reality,
> > the only person you are kidding is yourself. If you came into this
> > newsgroup and had 30 years of computer experience using
> > Windows/UNIX/LINUX, Sysadmin, Tech support and other various IT orientated
> > tasks, 1. you would actually make valid points. 2. people may actually
> > take you seriously.
> >
>
> While we're on the subject, what are your answers to the above questions?
> What makes you a self appointed expert?
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