Linux-Advocacy Digest #612, Volume #29 Thu, 12 Oct 00 03:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? (Bjorn Borud)
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? (John Lockwood)
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? (Bjorn Borud)
Re: The Power of the Future! (joseph)
What I would like to see in an OS: (Gardiner Family)
Re: The Power of the Future! (joseph)
Re: Migration --> NT costing please :-) (Gardiner Family)
Re: Video software for linux
Re: Linux Out perfoms Windows (Gardiner Family)
Re: Linux Out perfoms Windows (Gardiner Family)
Re: The Power of the Future! (ZnU)
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? ("Christopher Smith")
Re: David T. Johnson lies again ("David T. Johnson")
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? ("Erik Funkenbusch")
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From: Bjorn Borud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.arch,alt.conspiracy.area51,comp.os.netware.misc,comp.protocols.tcp-ip,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
Date: 12 Oct 2000 06:11:51 +0200
["Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]
|
| So you're attempting to compare a poorly architected, archaic terminal
| emulation system to a modern, 32-bit OS API?
|
| Pretty weak.
apparently you missed the point he was trying to make. why don't you
try to go back and read his post one more time and see if you can
accumulate a clue or two?
-Bj�rn
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From: John Lockwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.arch,alt.conspiracy.area51,comp.os.netware.misc,comp.protocols.tcp-ip,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 21:12:27 -0700
On Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:33:23 -0500, "Erik Funkenbusch"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>"Simon Cooke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:CAUE5.165506
>> > Actually, Notepad is an app that should only take any decent developer a
>> few
>> > hours to write.
>> >
>> > The vast majority of notepad's functionality is provided by the windows
>> edit
>> > control. The rest is just writing the text to disk, Searching in the
>> text,
>> > and adding a help box.
>>
>> Help box -- an about Dialog (CreateDialogIndirect), help file (call to the
>> WinHelp API), searching text -- FindText(). Saving... well, heck, just use
>> straight ANSI C calls for that (about 5 minutes, depending on how much
>error
>> checking you throw in).
>>
>> And then there's printing, which takes the other 3 days (most people [99%]
>> haven't done printing support, and it'll take them that long to get it
>> right).
>
>Notepad doesn't seem to do graphical printing. I think it just dumps text
>out to the printer (though I could be wrong).
>
>In any event, we're talking about decent programmers here. Not novices.
Right. Decent programmers always think "depending on how much error
checking you throw in" is an appropriate amount. And of course they
all realize that by ignoring the content that's actually IN the text
file, and a few other menu items, one can trim the numbers and then
gloat about how they're not novices. Even better, by going faster
than the speed of light they can do it in the nineteenth century,
before the aliens in alt.conspiracy.area51 even got here.
Anything you need to do to make yourself decent programmers is fine by
me. I prefer not to make myself one at the expense of someone else's
off the cuff remarks. Your mileage may vary.
>
>
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From: Bjorn Borud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.arch,alt.conspiracy.area51,comp.os.netware.misc,comp.protocols.tcp-ip,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
Date: 12 Oct 2000 06:17:03 +0200
["Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]
|
| I was attempting to say "so what have you gained then?".
|
| Linux is a really stable beefy version of DOS, essentially?
| heh
no. what is the point of taking part in a discussion when you have
absolutely no measurable amount of knowledge about the topic being
discussed.
your homework for next week is to understand the fundamental
differences between DOS and Linux.
-Bj�rn
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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 21:19:17 -0700
From: joseph <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Power of the Future!
Drestin Black wrote:
> "joseph" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > >
> > > yes, i would agree that the reason they are fixing the hotmail
> application
> > > is because solaris cannot scale well enough to handle the loads hotmail
> > > generates.
> >
> > MS uses Solaris.
> > They do becasue windows was and is a PC class OS from a shrink wrap
> software
> > company.
> >
>
> MS itself (microsoft.com) does not use Solaris - hotmail's application
> server does. Oh, and Solaris is shrink wrap software too putz.
1) It's common knowledge SUN Solaris never was nor is shrink wrap software.
2) microsoft.com is a URL. Don't change the subject when your wrong - it only
draws more attention to your misinformation as does name calling.
3) HotMail is MS - itself. Hotmail and it uses Solaris because it has to use
Solaris and it sure seems to piss you off. MS built a their NorCal campus to
consolidate all their empolyees from WebTV and Hotmail and other aquisitions in
Muntainview California. They even have a neat billboard "Hiring Now" on 101
at junction 85 becasue of high employee turnover.
http://www.microsoft.com/norcal/svc.htm
You should move out here and work for MS - they need bright guys like you.
Forward your postings to them - they'll make you head twit.
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From: Gardiner Family <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: What I would like to see in an OS:
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 17:18:54 +1300
I am no win advocate or Linux advocate, however, if I were to design an
OS these are some of the features:
1. Linux Kernel
2. Standardised GUI, either, MacOS or Windows like interface
3. Simplified Library structure similar to what Amiga had (ie,
icons.library, fonts.library, printers.library)
4. ReiserFS as the file system
5. A windows interpreter, when a program makes a call it goes through a
filter (like wine) and matchs the windows dll call with the UNIX
equivilant.
Both Windows and Linux have great attributes, Linux, opensourced and
very stable. Windows, easy to use and administrate. By combining the
power of a UNIX core and the simplicity of the Windows GUI there would
be a balance between simplicity, functionality and flexibility. (a
concept very similar to the MacOS X project).
feel free to reply, no flaming please.
matt
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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 21:26:35 -0700
From: joseph <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Power of the Future!
The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, joseph
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote
> on Tue, 10 Oct 2000 22:02:05 -0700
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> >> Not to mention that the average newbie installing Linux tends to take
> >> the Install Everything selection so as not to miss anything, and this
> >> typically starts up all kinds of services that leaves her wide open to
> >> attack.
> >
> >Well, Red Hat 6.2 has an install is conservative and doesn't
> >even enable ftp for the workstation.
> >
> >Generally speaking, any system on a network is vulnerable to
> >sucessful attacks.
>
> Well, we don't exactly have to worry too much about the
> unsuccessful ones, do we? :-)
I think so. Activity is logged and actions taken to report the activity and
reduce the likelihood of a sucessful attack.
> (Although it's clear that if there *is* a successful attack, the
> unsuccessful attacks may show that a successful one exists.)
When somone's probing the system they will eventually will find a way to get
in the computer. The usual actions are to block IP addresses and contact
ISPs.
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From: Gardiner Family <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Migration --> NT costing please :-)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 17:35:41 +1300
Chad Myers wrote:
> "Adam Warner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:8recd9$lr9$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I've just set up two dual-processor Redhat GNU/Linux 7 computers both
> > booting with RAID1 for high reliability. I am also making use of the newly
> > GPLed MySQL on both computers.
> >
> > One computer provides NAT and IPChains firewalling services. Both also
> > provide an Apache/PHP development environment.
> >
> > To set this all up has cost $0 for the software. Knowing that Microsoft
> > provides a lower total cost of ownership ;-) I'd be interested to know what it
> > would cost to move these computers to a full Microsoft solution.
>
> In the typical enterprise environment, the MS solution provides the lower
> TCO. For someone at home with intimate knowledge of Linux, perhaps it doesn't,
> but it's rather irrelevant. Many have established that Linux is the king of
> cheap home installations, I don't think anyone's arguing that. It's when you
> guys start claiming that Linux is ready for the enterprise that we laugh.
>
No, I would laugh if Microsoft said it was ready to enter the enterprise market, now
thats a joke. If I was a admin. I would never install Windows 2000, especially with
all the shit surrounding. I would grab a Sun Microsystem Server (Sun Enterprise
3500 Server) loaded with Solaris 8, now thats a server for the enterprise. The
great part is that you can disable the GUI to allow even more users to access the
server at any one time.
>
> > It appears I would need this software:
> >
> > 1) 2xNT4 or Window 2000 Server licenses to provide RAID1 on both computers.
>
> Windows 2000 professional will do all this.
If you could do this with Windows 2000 Pro, why isn't everyone doing it? My guess
there must be licensing issues.
>
>
> > 2) 4xCPU licences for MS-SQL.
>
> MSDE (essentially a free copy of MS SQL Server 7.0 limited to 2GB of db size)
> is free and runs on everything from Win95 to Win2000 DC server.
>
My SQL for Linux/UNIX/BSD free
>
> > 3) 1xMS Proxy Server(?)
>
> Win2K has ICS (with NAT functionality) built in.
Squid, for Linux/UNIX/BSD free
>
>
> > 4) 1xOffice 2000 Premium for Mail client, Frontpage, etc.
>
> Outlook Express is free and comes with IE which is free. FrontPage is not
> necessary for web development, in fact, it's not recommeneded unless you've
> never written one line of HTML in your life.
>
StarOffice 5.2 (I know, you'll probably say its crap, but, hey, it get the job done
for $0)
>
> So the list actually comes down to:
>
1 x Solaris 8 (Up to 8 CPUS, can be used in commerical situations): $75
1 x Squid
2.3:
$0
1 x StarOffice 5.2 (with manuals
etc): $40
1 x
MySQL
$0
1 x
Apache
$0
Total
Cost:
$115
Rock solid server setup at a bargan basement price.
>
> 1.) 2 x copies of Win2K Professional at ~ $200ea. You can get OEM prices since
> you
> purchased new hardware, contact your vendor.
>
> That's it!
>
> > Now there will be advantages/disadvantages to both configurations. But is
> > the software cost differential and loss of freedom really worth it?
>
> Well, OEM Win2K is around $100 or so IIRC, so for $200 or so you can get
> all the extra features of running a full IIS5/MSSQLServer environment!
> (my price numbers may be off, if anyone has exact figures, please refute me)
>
> > Who really believes MS provides a lower TCO?
>
> Hmm... just about everyone that has worked in an enterprise environment
> and had to use Linux for anything.
>
> At my current employer I hear the phrase, "The mail server is down again,
> it should be back up after a reboot". The mail server, of course, being
> a Linux mail server. I imagine there will be only a few more of these before
> our management complains that they are missing emails.
>
> I wonder how much business has already been lost because of it?
>
> Sure, it's anecdotal, but then, you really haven't provided any evidence
> to the contrary.
>
> > Or more importantly, who really believes MS can sustain a lower TCO if a
> > MS solution is indeed more attractive at this point in time?
>
> Everyone who has deployed an MS solution properly and is reaping the
> benefits.
>
> > Open source software just keeps getting better and better,
>
> This is a relative term. While, yes, they are "better", they're still not
> "good". The ones that are "good", if any, are direct copies from MS software,
> ironically.
>
> > and the development rate appears much faster.
>
> And quality has fallen through the floor as a result. Cite: Red Hat 2500+
> bugs in a rushed 7.0 release.
>
> -Chad
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Video software for linux
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 04:47:27 GMT
"The Ghost In The Machine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> skrev i
meddelandet news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Martin Svensson
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote
> on Tue, 10 Oct 2000 13:25:39 +0200
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >Hi!
> >
> >Does anyone know of any video software which works both in windows and
> >linux ? I'm thinking of applications such as Netmeeting, CuSeeme etc but
> >they don't support linux.
> >
> >If you do .. please reply via email!
>
> Try comp.os.linux.setup or comp.os.linux.misc.
>
> comp.os.linux.advocacy is for those of us who like to shout at
> each other :-).
...not to say SHOOT at each other...;)
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From: Gardiner Family <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux Out perfoms Windows
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 17:48:51 +1300
I use linux, and I donot use OpenGL, so therefore this agument does not effect me
> "Todd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Windows 2000 has shown itself to outperform Linux is almost every benchmark.
> > Even Linux' traditional strong points such as OpenGL performance is
> > outclassed by Windows 2000.
>
>
> -kzm
> --
> If I haven't seen further, it is by standing in the footprints of giants
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From: Gardiner Family <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux Out perfoms Windows
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 17:54:43 +1300
With the money you save using Linux, the money can be used to buy bigger and
faster hardware. The best test would be to give 2 people $5000 each, and only
one shop to goto (say Quay Computers, Lower Hutt), they have to construct a
server, one of the people constructs a Linux one, the other a Windows one, then
bench mark it once each server has been tuned etc. By doing this, this
demonstrate what can be done for $5000, thus showing what offers the most bang
for your buck.
matt
Todd wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Many real world benchmarks have already been done with regards to Linux and
> Windows 2000.
>
> Windows 2000 has shown itself to outperform Linux is almost every benchmark.
> Even Linux' traditional strong points such as OpenGL performance is
> outclassed by Windows 2000.
>
> I doubt your simple 'for-next' benchmark is an accurate indication of the
> performance differences. You didn't even specify what kind of platform you
> are running on!
>
> Even motherboard differences can give an edge in performance. A 'real'
> benchmark needs to be done on the exact same hardware. ie... the same box.
>
> -Todd
>
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:8s054h$5jh$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > HI,
> >
> > If you are a c++ programmer, then try this program both on windows and on
> > linux and observe the time taken to display 1,00,000 numbers
> >
> >
> > #include <iostream.h>
> > main()
> > {
> > for(int i=0; i<=100000; i++)
> > cout << i <<endl;
> > return 0;
> > }
> >
> > What I get is 5 seconds on Linux 2.2 and it takes 2.30 minutes to show all
> > the
> > 100000 numbers.
> >
> > Yours Truly,
> > Rizwaan
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From: ZnU <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Power of the Future!
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 05:00:22 GMT
In article <4ovE5.28059$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Chad Myers"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Matthias Warkus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > It was the Mon, 09 Oct 2000 17:23:04 GMT...
> > ...and Daniel Berger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > > Charlie Ebert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > Is of course Linux.
> > >
> > > Nope. The future is BeOS!
> >
> > Tell me one thing that BeOS can do that Linux is conceptually
> > incapable of.
>
> Provide a stable, reliable GUI?
>
> Don't forget about the 3D cube rotating with the movies
> playing on it! <grin>
Bah. Apple has this beat. Haven't you seen the OS X demo where Jobs is
editing a PDF file that's being mapped onto a rotating OpenGL model in
real time? ;-P
--
This universe shipped by weight, not volume. Some expansion may have
occurred during shipment.
ZnU <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | <http://znu.dhs.org>
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From: "Christopher Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 15:59:53 +1000
"Weevil" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:qD6F5.124$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> Christopher Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:8s2jg2$a3c$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > I still have to wonder what's so evil about a non-fatal error message,
> > however.
>
> OK, just out of curiosity...do you see anything wrong with a non-fatal
error
> message that is untrue? That is displayed for no reason other than to
> create Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt in the user?
What was untrue about it ?
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From: "David T. Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: David T. Johnson lies again
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 23:14:54 -0400
Marty wrote:
>
> "David T. Johnson" wrote:
> >
> > > > > >> Your post is off-topic for COOA. Read the newsgroup charter you
> > > > > >> worthless and clueless poor excuse for an alleged "OS/2 Advocate"
> > > > > >> (whose primary mission appears to be to harrass and denigrate
> > > > > >> remaining, active OS/2 developers. Are you working for Microsoft?)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >I have never harassed and denigrated OS/2 developers. Please delete
> > > > > >this post or face the consequences.
> > > > >
> > > > > Brad Wardell is an OS/2 developer. Marty Amodeo is an OS/2 developer.
> > > >
> > > > Assuming for argument sake that they are active OS/2 developers,
> > >
> > > No need to assume in one case.
> > >
> > > > I have not harassed and denigrated them.
> > >
> > > ha�rass (hrs, h-rs)
> > > v. tr. ha�rassed, ha�rass�ing, ha�rass�es.
> > >
> > > 1.To irritate or torment persistently.
> > > 2.To wear out; exhaust.
> > > 3.To impede and exhaust (an enemy) by repeated attacks or raids.
> >
> > You initiated a series of "flame" posts, Marty, with attacks on me that
> > have continued to escalate. Are you now claiming that I am harassing
> > you, Marty?
>
> Here's what I'm claiming, since you missed it the first time:
>
> DTJ] I have never harassed and denigrated OS/2 developers.
>
> This statement is a lie.
I will not allow you or Glatt to make the completely false claim that I
have undertaken a campaign of harassment and denigration against OS/2
developers.
>
> And here's the proof:
Your proof establishes that I have made personal comments to you in
Usenet newsgroups. It does not establish that I have harassed and
denigrated you or OS/2 developers.
You have avoided my question. I did not ask you if you are claiming
that I am a liar. I asked you if you are claiming that I have harassed
you.
Glatt has accused me of undertaking a campaign of denigration and
harassment of OS/2 developers. This is a serious accusation. Are you
joining him in this accusation?
As for your post, frankly I don't see how you can post this stuff and
look at yourself in the mirror. You have repeatedly attacked me over
the last week because you did not like the comments I posted on 1)
Wenham's pattern of posting, 2) The ugly thread falsely suggesting Dr.
Tholen was insane, and 3)the hundreds of off-topic posts being made in
COOA. You disagreed with my opinions on these three topics and you
began making a series of posts consisting of name-calling, insults, and
various personal attacks.
If you are joining Glatt in his accusation that I have harassed and
denigrated OS/2 developers, you had better have something better than
your definition from a dictionary and the quotes you reference below.
If you are not joining him, you should state so clearly and
unequivocally here and now, because, without a statement to the
contrary, your two posts here suggest otherwise.
>
> > > den�i�grate (dn-grt)
> > > v. tr. den�i�grat�ed, den�i�grat�ing, den�i�grates.
> > >
> > > 1.To attack the character or reputation of; speak ill of; defame.
> > > 2.To disparage; belittle: The critics have denigrated our efforts.
> > >
> > > DTJ] I have only called you a 'liar' and a 'hypocrite.'
> > >
> > > Denigrate: 1
> > >
> > > DTJ] perhaps you need to reevaluate your surroundings since you fail to
> > > impress me as being extraordinarily bright, yourself.
> > >
> > > Denigrate: 1,2
> > > Harass: 1,3
> > >
> > > DTJ] H-y-p-o-c-r-i-t-e.
> > >
> > > Denigrate: 1
> > >
> > > DTJ] I doubt that your typical comments can be "dumbed" down any further.
> > >
> > > Denigrate: 1,2
> > > Harass: 1,3
> > >
> > > DTJ] As for the substance of your comment, it appears to be as garbled
> > > and confused as Marty's.
> > >
> > > Denigrate: 1,2
> > > Harass: 1,3
> > >
> > > DTJ] I am starting to feel like I am being flamed by a gaggle of
> > > fifth-graders.
> > >
> > > Denigrate: 1,2
> > >
> > > DTJ] I was pointing to Marty's mental confusion.
> > >
> > > Denigrate: 1,2
> > > Harass: 1,3
> > >
> > > DTJ] The entire thrust of your posts over the last week seems to be
> > > personal attacks. I am losing respect for you.
> > >
> > > Denigrate: 1,2
> > >
> > > ...
>
> Clear?
>
> > [Remaining post untrimmed to accomodate your needs]
>
> You might try reading it next time, to "accomodate" [sic] yours.
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.arch,alt.conspiracy.area51,comp.os.netware.misc,comp.protocols.tcp-ip,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 01:41:17 -0500
The differences between NT and 9x are precisely because of the windows edit
control
The Win9x edit control has a 16 bit heap, which is 64K (the size file that
Notepad is not un-coincidentally limited to) and the NT edit control has no
such limitation.
"Ermine Todd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:#Cxirg#MAHA.319@cpmsnbbsa09...
> Don't forget the autologging capability. Plus there are some differences
> between the NT and 9x versions - especially in terms of the size of files
> that can be opened. (for those who have forgotten - place a ".log" line
at
> the top of a text file, everytime that the file is opened after that, a
> date/timestamp is appended to the bottom of the file).
>
> --ET--
>
> "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:vSPE5.133$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > "Peter da Silva" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:8rtf3u$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > > John Lockwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > 3) Notepad is a trivial windows application. (Defined as an
> > > > application a good Windows programmer could complete in a week or
> > > > two).
> > >
> > > Are you saying that you would expect a good Windows programmer to take
a
> > > week or two to implement Notepad? Is that a reasonable estimate of the
> > > time it would take for a program like that?
> >
> > Actually, Notepad is an app that should only take any decent developer a
> few
> > hours to write.
> >
> > The vast majority of notepad's functionality is provided by the windows
> edit
> > control. The rest is just writing the text to disk, Searching in the
> text,
> > and adding a help box.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.arch,alt.conspiracy.area51,comp.os.netware.misc,comp.protocols.tcp-ip,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 01:50:57 -0500
"John Lockwood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> Right. Decent programmers always think "depending on how much error
> checking you throw in" is an appropriate amount. And of course they
> all realize that by ignoring the content that's actually IN the text
> file, and a few other menu items, one can trim the numbers and then
> gloat about how they're not novices. Even better, by going faster
> than the speed of light they can do it in the nineteenth century,
> before the aliens in alt.conspiracy.area51 even got here.
What the hell are you talking about?
We're talking about Notepad, not some generic text editor. Notepad has a
very specific set of functionality, much of which is provide by the OS
itself. The rest of which is not much more than about 100 lines of code,
including error checking.
Why should I concern myself with the content of the text file, when Notepad
itself doesn't?
> Anything you need to do to make yourself decent programmers is fine by
> me. I prefer not to make myself one at the expense of someone else's
> off the cuff remarks. Your mileage may vary.
Well, I guess if you'd rather live in a fantasy world, be my guest.
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