Linux-Advocacy Digest #689, Volume #29 Mon, 16 Oct 00 12:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? (=?Windows-1252?Q?Paul_'Z'_Ewande=A9?=)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Lars_Tr=E4ger?=)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Lars_Tr=E4ger?=)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Lars_Tr=E4ger?=)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Lars_Tr=E4ger?=)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Lars_Tr=E4ger?=)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Lars_Tr=E4ger?=)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Lars_Tr=E4ger?=)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Lars_Tr=E4ger?=)
Re: Why does Linux have to be such a pain to install? - A speech ("MH")
Re: Why the Linonuts fear me (Mikey)
Re: Why the Linonuts fear me (Terry Porter)
Re: I'd rather switch than fight. (rich)
Re: Why the Linonuts fear me (Terry Porter)
Re: 75E48FC8 Visio for Linux (Terry Porter)
Re: Astroturfing (Terry Porter)
Re: Convince me to run Linux? (Terry Porter)
Re: You Linux folks Just Don't Get It.... (Terry Porter)
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From: =?Windows-1252?Q?Paul_'Z'_Ewande=A9?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 17:10:43 +0200
"D'Arcy Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a �crit dans le message news:
euEG5.5237$[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<SNIP> Some stuff </SNIP>
> > What do you do of the: Weevil: "As it also turns out, there are many,
many
> > undocumented functions in almost all of their APIs. Do their products
use
> > these undocumented functions? Yes, they do. " part ?
>
> Sorry - I'll make it clearer - makes sure that their apps do not use the
> API anymore - before they remove the API.
They hop into a time machine and recode it ? Don't forget that 5+ year old
app work in their latest OS offerings.
> > > it would make logical sense if MS really did use/remove/change the
> > > undocumented APIs.
>
> > But they are supposed to use them to churn out better apps than the
> > competitors, aren't they ?
>
> That would be one assumption... another would be that they exist for
It is Weevil's. "As it also turns out, there are many, many undocumented
functions in almost all of their APIs. Do their products use these
undocumented functions? Yes, they do. "
> one purpose and get co-opted by MS developers who happen to know
> that they exist. Either way MS has the source for theri apps and they
And then, they write for undocumented calls that may be removed or changed
somewhere along the way, maybe 5+ years later.
> can find out when the OS group plans on removing a certain function.
Looks like a lot of work for a non trivially appreciable result.
> > > > Where did I miss a step ?
>
> > > Right in between them.
>
> > I'll have to disagree, re-read what i wrote.
>
> What you work doesn't work in a logical sense - of course before MS
> removes an API they wuld have to make sure that their software doesn't
> make use of it.
Don't you feel that it clashes with the "MS uses undocumented apps to put
out better apps than their competitors."
> > > > > Do I beleive that an MS app may have used an undocumented
> > > > > API call at one point and then removed that call later? Yes.
>
> > > > By definition, if it's undocumented, it's not an API call, sinced
the
> > API
> > > is
> > > > the visible interface to the OS. :)
>
> > > If an MS application makes use of it then it is by definition an API
> call.
>
> > Well, I'll have to disagree, AFAIK, the API is the documentad part of a
> set
> > of OS functions to be used by application developers. If it's not
> > documented, it's not part of the API. Can a developer infirm or confirm
?
>
> API - Application Program/Programmer Interface. If an application calls
> an external function then by strict definition that external function is
an
> API call.
Well, as far as I understand it, the API is the *documented* interface
between the application and the OS functions. It's an abstraction layer, the
API calls �ay eb the same, even if the underlying OS functions are
completely different.
The key word here is documented. It can't just change at the whim of the OS
vendor, because it has to support all the apps that relied on it. An API is
like a contract. You use it, everything should be fine, you use something
else, you're on your own.
<SNIP> Some stuff </SNIP>
> Actualy the solution is for MS to not have any undocumented APIs that
> any app - even their own apps - can call. They are providing a platform.
> There should be a clear separation of the platform and the apps... if
> not the OS vendor will get a reputation of screwing the competition...
> oh hey MS has that reputation already... guess part of the reson why.
Okay. Advocacy and MS reputation aside, lets' do something simple. MS is
supposed to use undocumented functions to in some apps to outdo the
competition and to whimsically change or remove those in order to break
competitors apps.
Can somebody name those apps and the undocumented functions they use. Then
we should proceed to see if those still work on WinME/2K without patching or
time machine retroactive-compiling.
Can some developers join in ? :)
> ..darcy
Paul 'Z' Ewande
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Lars_Tr=E4ger?=)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 17:12:57 +0200
Static66 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Oct 2000 03:26:53 GMT, Marty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >One interesting and unfortunate exception comes to mind. A man named Tim
> >used to be an IBM employee (a software engineer I believe) in Endicott,
> >NY. One day he suffered from a severe stroke which took away most of his
> >mental capabilities. He had to quit his job because he could no longer
> >serve IBM in his previous capacity. Today, he spends his days gathering
> >up soda cans from around town and recycling them, as it is all he can
> >handle anymore. He's out there every day, and somehow he manages to
> >gather enough to keep a humble roof over his head and stay fed. (We
> >always make it a point to help him out and bundle up some cans for him
> >and leave them on the porch of our building.) This man could have been
> >earning $100K/year easily and fate smote him to the point where he can
> >barely scrape by even though he's working his ass off (the only way he
> >really can) every day. Unless he receives a very generous gift, he'll be
> >confined to a life of poverty in spite of a strong work ethic. Folks
> >like him are few and far between, but they do exist.
>
>
> Natural selection comes to mind... I am however heartened by the tale.
> I noticed that you mentioned he "worked his ass off" and I do not
> remember you mentioning him begging for help. So a handicapped man is
> somehow able to meet the basic human needs, food, shelter, clothing.
> Good for him.
>
> Furthermore you have illustrated nicely (by leaving him the cans) what
> I said earlier in the thread to the idiot loren. Americans are
> generous people and help should be provided to those in genuine need
> of assistance at the community level.
Now imagine another man struck by similar fate. One man can live by
gathering up all the soda cans around town all day long, but can two?
Solution: people buy twice as much soda and beer, so both men can live.
But one of them does limp slightly, making him slower, and the other can
gather more of the cans. Now one man has a little more than he needs,
and the other one less.
Lars T.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Lars_Tr=E4ger?=)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 17:12:55 +0200
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, STATIC66
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 05 Oct 2000 04:17:07 GMT, "Chad Myers"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > >Make no bones, these people had been on welfare almost their
> > >whole life and had figured out ways to keep the checks coming
> > >and would sometimes purposely wound themselves in minor ways
> > >to scam a disability check. These people are lower than
> > >criminals.
>
> > Well put and all too often true. These people should be quartered and
> > then shot. The children placed in homes with caring responsible
> > guardians....
Even better, these people should all be drafted. That would not only get
them off the streets, it would also raise the average intelligence in
the forces.
Lars T.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Lars_Tr=E4ger?=)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 17:12:58 +0200
Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Lars Tr�ger wrote:
> >
> > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > Low-IQ correlates with low incomes and unemployment.
> >
> > So your unemployment is the reason you post so much?
>
> False premise, several counts
>
> Far from it.
No, you just didn' get it.
> Unemployment is definied as the inability to find work.
> Whereas I oftentimes post from work.
>
> Now...how one can post from work while supposedly unemployed
> is something you're going to have to explain.
Oh? Isn't your "office" your rucksack in Bosnia? How come you often
post from there?
Hell, tax-money is wasted just so you can post to Usenet from Bosnia,
and you complain about wellfare leeches?
Lars T.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Lars_Tr=E4ger?=)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 17:13:51 +0200
. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Loren Petrich wrote:
> >>
> >> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, STATIC66
> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Mon, 09 Oct 2000 05:04:05 GMT, Loren Petrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> > wrote:
> >> > > Cry me a river. I presume that you reimbursed the government for the
> >> > >cost of military training also.
> >> > Yes I did, with hard work, sacrifice and months and months away from
> >> > my family, whilst you enjoyed the freedoms I was protecting.
> >>
> >> Enjoy feeling sorry for yourself. Did you pay in MONEY???
>
> > Loren, you owe every serviceman a LOT more than what you have paid
> > them. If it was not for us, you would be the impoverished subject
> > of some totalitarian regime.
>
> Hah. If it wasnt for you sitting in a comfortable chair in front of
> some kind of 'communications' console? You arent FIGHTING, friend, you're
> (if youre in the reserves, especially) wimping out. You are a coward
> and an idiot.
More importantly, if it weren't for people like him, those totalitarian
regimes would have no power over their impoverished subjects.
Lars T.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Lars_Tr=E4ger?=)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 17:13:50 +0200
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > "." wrote:
> >>
> >> I guess they didnt teach you anything in the military.
>
> > The taught us that anti-Constitutional assholes like yourself are
> > a threat to the security of our nation and way of life.
I guess if somebody told you to protect the "security of our nation and
way of life" by shooting a couple of those "anti-Constitutional
assholes" while they, say, demonstrated against a NRA meeting, you'ld
gladly do so?
Be afraid America, be very afraid.
Lars T.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Lars_Tr=E4ger?=)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 17:13:04 +0200
Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Lars Tr�ger wrote:
> >
> > Loren Petrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Aaron R. Kulkis
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > NO...it is NOT.
> > > > If the child's own parents have no interest in feeding their own
> > > > offspring...why should I?
> > > > You see...YOUR method means STEALING MY RESOURCES so that they will
> > > > be used for the benefit of the progeny of some lowlife scum sucking
> > > > welfare whore and her equally contemptable alcoholic "boyfriends"
> > >
> > > Given this sort of hateful venom toward welfare recipients, I'm
> > > surprised that there have not been lots of firebombings of places where
> > > they live.
> > >
> > > Even if a lot of them *are* losers, I don't see how they are worth
> > > that kind of venom.
> >
> > Aaron is probably impotent, and hates them because he can't have kids.
> ^^^^^^^^
>
> Translation: Lars is pulling this ad hominem attack out of his ass.
Awww, poor little soldier boy, did I hurt your feelings by saying you're
probably impotent? Have I struck a nerve, the truth even, that you can
not admit to yourself? For somebody who can dish out so much against
people not involved in this thread, you can take quite little going
against yourself. Man, I wouldn't want to see you under actual fire.
> Tell us, Lars...after pulling this vicious lie from your anus, did you
> take care to lick it before spewing it all over USENET...
See how good you are at dishing out? Too bad your not man enough to take
even the slightest dip against your manlyhood.
Lars T.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Lars_Tr=E4ger?=)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 17:13:52 +0200
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Tell us about the last time YOU felt the concussion of a grenade's shock
> > wave.
That explains a lot.
Lars T.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Lars_Tr=E4ger?=)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 17:13:48 +0200
Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Lars Tr�ger wrote:
> >
> > > In comp.os.linux.advocacy Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > "." wrote:
> > > > Contraband laws are either idiotic, or for the purpose of amassing
> > > > power.
> > >
> > > > They are pointless, as merely POSSESSING any thing causes no
> > > > harm to anybody....but usually, the list of things which are
> > > > banned are those which, if removed, allow certain parties
> > > > (politicians) to amass power, or (drug companies) to amass wealth
> > > > at the expense of others.
> >
> > What's bad about amassing wealth at the expense of others?
>
> Amassing wealth AT THE EXPENSE of others is contrary to free-market
> principles.
>
> In a free market, you amass wealth by AIDING others (mutually beneficial
> exchange)...
Aiding others? More communist bullshit.
> > Are you a communist?
>
> If you look at every communist country on the face of the earth, the
> bottom-line practice is amassing wealth for the party elites at the
> expense of the populace
Whatever you say, Comrade Kulkis. Your cover is blown.
Lars T.
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From: "MH" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why does Linux have to be such a pain to install? - A speech
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 11:19:33 -0400
"unicat" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Two other things:
> 1) On Windoze systems, reformatting the hard drive is often easier than
trying
> to hunt down
> all the errors that have crept into a bad Win-install.
> 2) Who cares anyway, this isn't the point of either the origianl question
or the
> original answer.
> It was about installing RH 6.2. Any references to windoze were just color
> commentary.
My, how quickly you forget. You stated:
_______________________________________________________
"I'm not sure that this is the answer to your query, but when MS went from
Win95 to Win98, they changed the spec for the PnP protocol.
About 10% of machines that ran Win95 would lock up and die when Win 98
was installed. To the point that you had to boot DOS 6 from a floppy and
reformat
the hard drive to recover.
Many motherboard manufacturers have supplied bootable floppy programs that
will upgrade their BIOS firmware for the PNP standard of Win98, and I
betcha
that if you upgraded your system BIOS and turned PnP back on Redhat would
auto-install like clockwork.
Also - www.tigerdirect.com is selling AT form factor motherboards with
300Mhz
Pent II's installed for $79.99 - why in the world are you p*ssing and
moaning
about difficulties with a 133Mhz system when upgrading the hardware
costs less than a box of MS Windows???"
_____________________________________________________
Total BS. All of it. If you backed up your registry properly, a recovery is
very easy.
You don't need a DOS 6x boot disk, it wouldn't do you any good for accessing
the registry any way. Upgraded the pnp spec? What has this have to do with
anything? First, that is not the problem as the below poster states
correctly. I have two PC's with 1994 and 95 stock bios. One is pheonix 6.0,
the other an award running in an aopen board. Neither bios has been
upgraded. Both machines went from 95 to 98 without effort. Pent2 from Tiger
direct? First, this pcchips motherboard is a POS. You'd never get the
onboard sound to work with linux. And Tiger direct is avoided by anyone who
builds computers. Second, add in the cost of new ram & agp video
ard. --YOU deviate from the original topic, provide baseless information as
'facts', then back peddle like crazy when called on it. Plus, all this rot
about your company spending thousands of dollars to correct problems
upgrading to win98 tells me your IT dept is less than good. I worked in a CC
where there were over 500pcs upgraded to win98.
NO PROBLEMS. Some of the machines had ram upgraded, most did not. A little
research goes a long way. This is a CC mind you..where we know they don't
pay top dollar for IT staff. Yet your 'company' lost thousands of dollars?
with what I assume were IT professionals, paid much more than that of a
local CC. What a crock. Typical linuxadvocate expert.
> Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>
> > "unicat" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > I'm not sure that this is the answer to your query, but when MS went
from
> > > Win95 to Win98, they changed the spec for the PnP protocol.
> > >
> > > About 10% of machines that ran Win95 would lock up and die when Win 98
> > > was installed. To the point that you had to boot DOS 6 from a floppy
and
> > > reformat the hard drive to recover.
> >
> > Two things.
> >
> > 1) You *NEVER* have to reformat the hard drive to recover unless you're
> > entire file system has been mangled. You need only boot from your
recover
> > disk (which was dos in and of itself). Installing windows doesn't do
> > anything mythical that you must reformat your hard drive to recover from
it.
> >
> > 2) What you're talking about is not the PnP spec, nor was it something
MS
> > changed. What you're talking about is ACPI. Many motherboards had
faulty
> > ACPI bioses that claimed they were ACPI but weren't fully compliant.
Since
> > Win95 didn't support ACPI, it never saw any problems. Win98 did support
ACPI
> > though, and would lock up the system when it tried to use the faulty
ACPI
> > bios.
>
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From: Mikey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why the Linonuts fear me
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 00:30:00 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] drooled:
> I intend to be Linux's worst enemy.
Get a life! What did Linux ever do to you? :P
Did you have the hots for Linus Torvalds, and he wanted nothing to do
with you, so you're going to rag his kernel?
It must be nice being all unemployed with nothing better to do than
troll newsgroups and watch day-time talk shows. :P
--
Since-beer-leekz,
Mikey
Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam
possit materiari?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: Why the Linonuts fear me
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 16 Oct 2000 15:33:25 GMT
On Sun, 15 Oct 2000 22:00:17 -0400, Gary Hallock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> The truth sometimes hurts.
>
>Yep, you are right. You should get use to it.
Our drag Wintroll, is in constant pain I fear, if the truth hurts.
>
>>
>> Get used to it, because it isn't going away.
>>
>
>Right, again. Linux is not going away.
Damn right.
>
>>
>> And neither am I.
>>
>
>That's simply because you were gone ages ago.
Heheheh, only his mind, the body is still typing tho, or perhaps its "Steves"
cat ?
>
>>
>> I intend to be Linux's worst enemy.
>
>Ah, yes. The truth comes out. All that talk about how good Linux is (for
>servers) and now we know you were just pulling our leg.
Oh gawrsh now I'm really dissapointed "Steve/Heather/Keys88/etc" and I thought
you were being honest this time ;-)
In fact youve only succeded in being Windows worst friend, "Steve" :)
>
>>
>>
>> and judging by the responses here I am succeeding quite well.
>
>You have failed miserably. And what is worse - you don't even realize it.
It's kinda sad, but hey .... "Steve" does has some entertainment value:) I do
believe I've only kill filed him some 20/24 times these last 2 years!
>
>Gary
>
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Kind Regards
Terry
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (rich)
Subject: Re: I'd rather switch than fight.
Date: 16 Oct 2000 15:31:10 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Also schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
>> BTW I didn't ask for a tutorial I KNOW how it works. Sorry you spent
>> so much time on it. Save it though it might come in handy some day.
>Oh, sorry.
Don't fret, I found it helpful.
--
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ALL programs are poems, it's just that not all programmers are poets.
-- Jonathan Guthrie in the scary.devil.monastery
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: Why the Linonuts fear me
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 16 Oct 2000 15:39:07 GMT
On Mon, 16 Oct 2000 01:01:29 GMT, Les Mikesell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Why do my posts generate so much hate and semi-intelligent insults
>> from the Linux world?
>
>Because they are content-free marketing drivel, anti-advocacy posted
>in an advocacy group.
Oww yoww that smarts .... come on "Steve" get out from under that table,
Les doesnt *really* mean those cutting words ;-)
>
>> Because you fear me that's why.
>
>Hardly.
Short, sweet, and so accurate :)
>
>> Linux is free. Yet you can't even give it away.
>
>If that were the case you wouldn't need to bother
>trying to discourage it's use, now would you. You
>seem to be the one with something to fear.
Oww, now "Steve" is forcing his hand into his 1872 IBM card reader and
screaming and gnashing his teeth .... nasty Mr Mikesell, look what you made him
do!
>
> Les Mikesell
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: 75E48FC8 Visio for Linux
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 16 Oct 2000 15:48:48 GMT
On Mon, 16 Oct 2000 23:20:16 +1000, Chris Sherlock
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hey, I read you're page. A compelling argument.
It's actually Eric De Castro's page, good on ya Eric!
>
>Just to piss Linux CAD off, I'm going to post one of their competitors
>products: FreeCAD
>
> http://freeengineer.org/Freedraft/index.html
>
>And, to be even more fair - Q-CAD
>
> http://www.qcad.org/index.php3
>
>Chris
Hahahah, NOW theres the spirit of USENET for ya :)))
Kind Regards
Terry
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Astroturfing
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Date: 16 Oct 2000 15:52:24 GMT
On Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:13:48 +0200, Matthias Warkus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>It was the Mon, 16 Oct 2000 03:02:43 GMT...
>...and Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> In fact, you'll find that most Linux advocates seem to hate MS for
>> no good reason
>
>Um, I don't hate Microsoft.
I dont hate Microsoft either, I just have no use for it.
>
>mawa
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Terry
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: Convince me to run Linux?
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Date: 16 Oct 2000 15:56:58 GMT
On Mon, 16 Oct 2000 14:12:54 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
<snip>
>
>> You suggested newsreaders too, since they were on thet list. Either
>> you're a fool, or no-one on USENET is an end user. Hmmm. I think they're
>> end users
>>
>> Besides, I'm an end user and I want a compiler.
>> I'm an end user and I want a decent editor (vim)
>> I'm an end user and I want apache.
>>
>> Have you got the message yet? Or it an end user to you someone wuo
>> doesn't use the computer.
>
>and you have still dont understand what i meant?
>
>
Perhaps "Reefer" doesnt understand what he meant either ?
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Terry
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: You Linux folks Just Don't Get It....
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Date: 16 Oct 2000 16:04:24 GMT
On Mon, 16 Oct 2000 09:27:26 +0100, Nick Condon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> Is that the best you can do?
>>
>> claire
>>
>
>Sorry Claire, I'm sure you have some valid points but your Jeopardy-style posts are
>just too much effort to read.
>
>*ploink*
>
Damn, I wished you hadnt plonked him, I was hoping youd be able to point those
"valid points" out to me :(
All I see is a Wintroll at work ?
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Terry
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