Linux-Advocacy Digest #730, Volume #29 Wed, 18 Oct 00 17:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux? (2:1)
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? ("Simon Cooke")
Re: I think Loki really screwed the guy (Steve Mading)
Re: Claire! post something! ("Nigel Feltham")
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? (T. Max Devlin)
Re: IDC Estimates Linux growth at 183% per year ("Nigel Feltham")
Re: End-User Alternative to Windows
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Linux: Lots Good, Some Bad ("Nigel Feltham")
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Microsoft kicked off the Web!
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? (T. Max Devlin)
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From: 2:1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux?
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 23:03:30 +0100
Brian Moore wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 2:1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ....
> >
> >
> >TeX was never just a typesetting tool. It was designed to allow high
> >level, content orientated languages (it says so in the TeX Book).
> >
> >I haven't seen a word processor that gives the power and output quality
> >of TeX. They are still too orientated to letting the user, not the
> >program do the typesetting.
> >
> >There are very good content management facilities in LaTeX.
> >
> >-Ed
> >
> >
> >
>
> On the other hand, if you are using LaTeX, and for whatever reason
> need to make just a small change in the appearance of
> the document after the typesetting has occurred, it can be
> infuriating. After digging into Lamport to find the relevant
> part, it might tell you something like "you shouldn't want to
> do that."
If you change the document, you have to rerun latex (ie re-typeset it).
If I want to fore some low level changes, you could always refer to the
TeX book. It's free to download from the CTAN (comprehensive tex archive
network).
-Ed
--
Konrad Zuse should recognised. He built the first | Edward Rosten
binary digital computer (Z1, with floating point) the | Engineer
first general purpose computer (the Z3) and the first | u98ejr@
commercial one (Z4). | eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: "Simon Cooke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 13:12:38 -0700
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Wed, 18 Oct 2000 03:09:53 GMT, Mike Byrns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> >> ...then they have to be bailed out by some Linux user because
the
> >> local WinDOS user can't even hook up a SCSI chain properly.
> >And here again is that famous Linux user superiority complex that is SURE
to put off
> >almost every computer user on the planet. The average computer user does
not have
> >external SCSI peripherals or internal ones for that matter. The average
computer
>
> It is just so amazing how much Lemmings conform to their own
> criticisms of others. SCSI peripherals are out there. They are
> lying on the shelves in CompUSA. Inevitably, they will be bought
> and installed by naieve consumers. There is simply no getting
> around this. It's much like the problem of consumers buying
> hardware that isn't compatible with NT5 or Linux.
>
> Now, the naieve don't care that I'm berating their local guru.
>
> They're just happy when their stuff finally works.
Either way, you're making an wild statement here: Linux gurus are supposedly
smarter than Windows/DOS gurus.
It would have been more appropriate to claim that "People with experience in
SCSI will have more luck than those who don't" -- mainly because it doesn't
matter if you use Linux or Windows -- it's just whether or not you know how
SCSI works.
BTW: Most end users won't be buying SCSI peripherals anyway, unless they're
using a Mac.
Simon
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From: Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I think Loki really screwed the guy
Date: 18 Oct 2000 20:18:29 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
: Problem is Linux people are so used to giving software away that they
: haven't fine tuned the distribution process and tracking systems
: needed for commercial, pay, software :)
Meanwhile, here in the planet known as earth, where Claire/Steve
apparently hasn't checked in lately, there exist places like
VA Linux, Suse, RedHat, Caldera....etc...
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From: "Nigel Feltham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Claire! post something!
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 21:17:00 +0100
Ingemar Lundin wrote in message ...
>this ng is beginning to sink to a new low
>(hard to break record indeed)
>
Perhaps s/he is busy re-installing windows after another crash ;-)
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 16:26:25 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said Simon Cooke in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
>"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> Said Simon Cooke in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
>> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> >> Alternately, a student or two will get together (or not) and
>> >> just implement it themselves. THIS is also how the world works.
>> >
>> >Indeed. But that only applies if you're not talking about economic
>realities
>> >of software development, and throw the whole economic side of the system
>out
>> >of the Window -- which is all that GPL/Freeware/whatever does. It just
>> >removes that question from the equation entirely.
>>
>> Which would seem to suggest that there is no necessity for the economic
>> side of it to enter the equation at all.
>
>That depends. If you want to release something, you need to pay people to
>write it. Which means you have to charge for it. Which means -- hey
>presto -- it's an economic issue.
So technical development of software is an economic issue because you
say it is, eh? And whether it is a decent product is meaningless; the
only important thing is that you have to pay people, right? You can
wriggle around all you want, Simon. The fact is, you are desperately
trying to describe the behavior of a monopoly in competitive terms, and
it just doesn't work.
>GPL/Freeware is not the norm; it's the exception.
Actually, software wants to be free. The
copyright-wrapped-in-a-trade-secret is the abnormal mechanism, though
I'll admit it is popular. Software, however, doesn't really work that
way, because your "$15K for 3 customer" is, in reality, $15K for 3
million customers, as well. Get it?
>Although if you think that economics need not come into it, I'd like you,
>Max, to write me a 2000 word article on the Microsoft Monopoly that I can
>publish. Of course, I can't guarantee that I will publish it, but you don't
>mind giving me your time for free do you? Surely not...
Ironically enough, that's precisely what I've been doing for the last
several years. Not very many of my articles are 2000 words, but I'm
sure you can find something to interest you. Send me an email to
discuss royalties; I don't do work for hire.
>> >Which also means it's completely irrelevant to mine & Max's argument.
>>
>> True, but it is a telling point. In addition to supporting Jedi's
>> perspective, Linux also puts the lie to all your other vaunted defenses
>> of Microsoft's monopoly.
>
>No, Linux exemplifies a completely different way of doing things -- one that
>does NOT necessarily gell with business practices. For example, you wouldn't
>have many games companies left if they just charged for services and not for
>the games themselves.
Well, what if providing the games themselves is the service?
>And finally, Max, get off your high horse about the "Microsoft Monopoly" --
>all of my points here apply to ALL software companies that are not
>non-profit.
Yes, so do mine. At least the majority of them, which profiteer on
copyright wrapped in a trade secret license. Microsoft just happens to
be the only one who has been convicted of monopolization, though I do
realize most software companies are working for 'lock in' and 'leverage'
more than they are 'superior products'. Thus, the development and
widening acceptance of the GPL. IBM considers Linux to be the
equivalent to the Internet. It isn't technology that any one vendor
owns; it is a way, and a means, of doing business; a market opportunity.
For-profit business.
--
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From: "Nigel Feltham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: IDC Estimates Linux growth at 183% per year
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 21:23:11 +0100
>Linux - 50 million satisfied users worldwide
>and growing at over 5%/month! (recalibrated 8/2/00)
>
Time to recalibrate that sig then Rex - 183% per year is at least double
your 5% per month ( can't be bothered to work out exact percentage due to
forgetting formula for compounded percentages - e.g. each month you have to
add 5% + 5% of the previous montht percentage etc).
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: End-User Alternative to Windows
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 20:31:32 -0000
On Wed, 18 Oct 2000 12:05:08 +1300, Gardiner Family <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>plus, the definition of an OS constantly changes as each company adds new features as
Most of the creeping featurism present amongst consumer OS
vendors has pretty much just been playing catchup with more
serious operating systems. For the most part, component
responsibilities haven't changed that much over time. What
has really changed is the marketing bulletpoints.
>standard to their OS, then after a few years these enhancements are accepted by other
>OS
>venders and incorperate those features into their OS.
[deletia]
--
"You shouldn't make my toaster angry."
-- Household security explained in "Johnny Quest"
The cost of living has just gone up another dollar a quart.
-- W.C. Fields
Humpty Dumpty sat on the wall,
Humpty Dumpty had a great fall!
All the king's horses,
And all the king's men,
Had scrambled eggs for breakfast again!
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 16:34:28 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said Simon Cooke in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
>
>"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Said Simon Cooke in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
>> >"Weevil" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> >news:Ny3H5.1171$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >> So...I can't prove it, but I'm not lying. They really did "pooh-pooh"
>> >those
>> >> "mickey-mouse interfaces". (Nice phrasing, btw.) They regarded it as
>> >> toy-like, not serious enough for business use.
>> >
>> >I'd actually agree with that opinion -- but for different reasons. The
>> >Amigas and STs that most people saw didn't have enough oomph for business
>> >use. No networking. No real expandability. No hard drive (well, you could
>> >get some as add-ons, but they were prohibitively expensive).
>> >
>> >They were really good for home use though.[...]
>>
>> LOLROTFLMAO.
>
>Would you care to explain your mirth? Perhaps by pointing out where I'm
>wrong?
It would be easier to point out where you're right. Nowhere. Very few
PCs had hard drives in 1985, if any. Networking was hardly something
that was common. And as for expandability, I think most non-PCs were
just as expandable as PCs. They just couldn't use interchangeable,
commodity-level equipment.
>Or were just just smoking a good blunt?
I ran out last week, actually. Perhaps through your own glassy-eyed
haze you can grasp the idea that you are, just as you recognized Weevil
was, simply confusing the open system PC hardware platform with
Microsoft. Its common, of course; at least 80% of the market probably
does it, as Weevil pointed out. Most people consider the OS to be part
of the computer; old ideas die hard, and for the first four decades of
the computing, the software was simply how you configured or controlled
the computer, for the most part. (Thus the conceptual relationship
between the term 'programming' in computers and 'programming' in
entertainment media. In computers, programming and 'content' are
separate, while in media, programming is content.) The idea of software
as something independent of the computer is a relatively new idea.
Well, it was when MS started monopolizing, at least. The 'time warp'
we've been in since then that prevents any substantial innovation or
development keeps people locked in to this old way of thinking, just as
the pre-load contracts keep them locked in to re-licensing Windows
whenever they buy a computer.
--
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 16:36:05 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said Simon Cooke in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
>"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >BTW: The NT team started work on NT 2001 before they finished 2000; it's
>> >under continous development. It's not just a matter of "hey, we need to
>sell
>> >more stuff" -- they're actually working on improving it.
>>
>> LOL again! "They're actually working on improving it." What a naive
>> goofball you are, Simon.
>
>Look, Max, I worked there. I believe that I know what people writing code in
>an active manner to improve products look like.
Look, Simon, if people weren't capable of being mistaken or
self-deluded, I doubt there'd be much discussion on Usenet.
>You didn't work there.
>
>My word against yours, sure, but at least I know what it's like.
Actually, its your word against Microsoft's internal emails, which you
apparently were not privy to during your employment.
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From: "Nigel Feltham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux: Lots Good, Some Bad
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 21:28:48 +0100
>The alsa documentation is terrible. Really, really bad. Finally, after
>experiencing a heavy PITA factor, I got the drivers loaded. Result? I can
>actually use the alsa driver to play audio - but I can't hear anything.
Why?
>Because the alsa mixer can't detect it's own driver running. Agh. I cannot
>find a solution for this, so I am back to my original configuration, where
my
>sblive is supported through the default install, and the DIO-2448 is
>unrecognized.
>
Maybe someone here can offer help - it will probably help to know what linux
distribution you are running though.
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 16:38:02 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said Erik Funkenbusch in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
>"Mike Byrns" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> Listen. I only asked you to post proof that "Microsoft advocates scoffed
>at GUI
>> of Amigas, Macs, and Atari STs. No real productivity could ever be
>achieved
>> with those mouse things, they said. And who needed
>> multitasking? Why would anybody ever need to run more than one program at
>a
>> time, for god's sakes? And of course, 640k ram was enough for anybody."
>
>Actually, there were lots of people back then that did scoff at GUI
>interfaces, but this was mostly because they had seen how poor the GUI's
>worked on PC's. They assumed that they must be just as poor on other
>computers.
Not hardly. It was because they figured pretty pictures were for
dummies, and real computers didn't have GUIs, plain and simple. Most
people, and particularly those who scoffed at GUIs, certainly had never
seen one on the PC.
[...]
>Yes and no. Windows 95 still relies on certain DOS functions, however those
>functions run inside a Win95 controlled DOS box. Windows takes full
>control, but delegates a few key functions when necessary.
Yea, right. And I've got some lovely swampland I'm sure you'd be
willing to purchase, as well.
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 16:40:48 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said Erik Funkenbusch in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
>"Weevil" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:voeH5.1574$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Here's a pretty good starting point:
>>
>> http://www.drdos.com/fullstory/factstat.html
>>
>> It's Caldera's Statement of Facts in their case against Microsoft. When
>> faced with the hundreds of smoking guns Caldera produced in this document,
>> Microsoft simply bought them off...settled out of court, I mean. The
>amount
>> was undisclosed, but most leaks have pegged it at $275 million and up.
>
>Most of the reports I've read say that Caldera settled for less than 1% of
>the amount they asked for in their suit. I'd say that Caldera is the one
>that settled, not MS.
That's because 'most of the reports' you've read must have been from
Microsoft sources. They lie, Erik, in case you weren't aware. I'm
relatively sure, given the vehemence with which a secret settlement is
having numbers pegged to it, that Microsoft is providing 'purposeful
leaks' to try to promote this spin. I'd bet money that Caldera got $2
billion.
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 16:45:09 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said Simon Cooke in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
>"Weevil" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:RZeH5.1597$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>
>> Simon Cooke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> news:8sj5ae$pl0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >
>> > Provide one SHRED of proof that "DOS ain't done 'till Lotus won't run"
>is
>> > anything more than an anti-Microsoft FUD mantra. I will gladly post that
>> > line, and the qualifying proof as my signature for the rest of my Usenet
>> > days if you manage to do so.
>> >
>> > Proof that qualifies is any kind of evidence that Microsoft did indeed
>> > change DOS explicitly so that Lotus would not run, or any kind of order
>> from
>> > a Microsoft executive of that form.
>> >
>> > I'll be waiting. But I won't hold my breath.
>>
>> Hmmm...does it have to be Lotus? Would it be OK if it was another
>product?
>
>Nope. It has to be Lotus -- because everyone always quotes "DOS Ain't Done
>Till Lotus Won't Run", and it's being used as a keystone for an argument
>here.
What a straw man. Its rather telling that you have to take a casual
remark and pretend it is 'a keystone for an argument'.
>Though I'll happily listen to arguments about other products. RealPlayer G2
>doesn't count (they futzed their installer).
Oh, did they? And 'futzed' means "in a way MS could screw over when
they wanted to promote their Media Player", I guess. How fortunate for
Microsoft; boy, they sure do know how to compete (not).
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
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Subject: Re: Microsoft kicked off the Web!
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 20:43:23 -0000
On Tue, 17 Oct 2000 23:50:28 GMT, Otto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>: On Mon, 16 Oct 2000 00:04:00 GMT, Otto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>: >
>: >"Dave Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>: >news:1LmG5.2924$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>: >:
>: >: I don't buy that "easy to use" stuff for technical types. If you
>factor
>: >in
>: >: how much effort that goes into keeping "MS-Windows" going, and compare
>it
>: >to
>: >: learning a real OS, they are about the same. But the payback comes two
>: >: ways, first - you have time to move your business ahead instead of
>doing
>: >: "reboot", "patch" and "security" while loops and second: you can use
>Linux
>: >: knowledge on HP-UX, Sun, UnixWare, SCO, Iris, AIX, and a host of
>others.
>: >: From a career perspective, it is vendor independent knowledge and pays
>: >: better. McWindows, like McDonalds burgers, are quick but you get less.
>: >
>: >Wether you buy the "easy to use" stuff or not, it does not change the
>facts.
>: >I can't comment on the "McWindows", never heard of such an OS. However,
>to
>: >build up and learn a Linux system does take considerable amount of time,
>not
>: >to mention the software installation routines on Linux.
>:
>: ./setup
>: ./install
>: configure;make;install
>: gnorpm
>:
>: None of these are terribly taxing and aren't that hard to remember
>: after you've done them 10 or 20 times. They just might look different
>: or scary (with all those icky compile commands) relative to what
>: someone's been indoctrinated into.
>
>
>You forgot to mention the un-tar/gzip part, not to mention the fact that one
...which is no more taxing than it is under any other OS,
including WinDOS.
>would need to check what libraries are available/need to be installed also.
That's what packagers and install utilities are for. That is
precisely what YOU would have to do as an author using Install
Shield under WinDOS.
As far as source goes: source packages are typically a lot more
flexible with what they will tolerate. So, peversely enough they
are sometimes easier to deal with than binary packagers.
If you have a reasonably recent distro, none of this will be an
issue anways since most developer will target what people tend
to have.
>Even with that, you're right, it isn't terribly taxing. I just happen to
>like Windows installation routine, setup.exe for most of the programs,
>install.exe for others. That has nothing to do with being "indoctrinated
>into", it's just personal preference.
Sure it does. You only tolerate one way of doing things regardless
of how featureful or easy any other method is. Things must all be
a clone of WinDOS.
>
>:
>:
>: [deletia]
>: >: and stability. The only thing that keeps NT afloat is that where else
>do
>: >: you know you can flip burgers on Tuesday and be a NT admin on Friday.
>As
>: >: the market matures, this will occur less often.
>: >
>: >The industry started out with Unix and along came NT beating the crap out
>of
>: >the "xNIX". When the 64-bit version of NT becomes available sometimes in
>the
>: >next year, it'll be lights out for the "xNIX". All of the "real
>: >professionals" will be flipping burgers somewhere and they can keep
>: >wondering about what hit them.
>:
>: Sun doesn't really have to worry. By your own admission, DOS
>: is still trying to play catchup to where even free unix was
>: years ago.
>
>DOS will be history pretty soon...
People have been saying that for half a decade already.
>
>: Nevermind the fact that for a serious server, intel based machines
>: aren't going to be very price competitive anyways. That's not even
>: getting into the scaling and HA options that RISC vendors have
>: been delivering for years already.
>
>Intel based machine came on a long way and Sun will worry, before you know
>it.
Intel based servers are still not price competitive.
Intel based servers can't scale to the levels Suns can.
Sun hardware isn't standing still either. It's undergoing another
rev both in terms of marketing numbers (cpu mhz) and bus bandwidth.
>
>: Even today, the systems that NT can run on are relative toys.
>
>And those who have the most toys WINS.... (as in WINS servers, not intended
>for screaming)
When you need performance, running hardware that is years behind
the curve simply wont' do. Despite the deceptive CPU clock speeds,
Intel based systems are still behind where Sun WAS, never mind
where it will be.
--
Today is what happened to yesterday.
QOTD:
"I used to be an idealist, but I got mugged by reality."
A rock pile ceases to be a rock pile the moment a single
man contemplates it, bearing within him the image of a cathedral.
-- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 16:45:48 -0400
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Said Simon Cooke in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
>"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >By definition, the API is the documented programming interface which
>> >applications use to communicate with another software system (OS or
>> >otherwise). Undocumented functions are NOT part of the API; the API is
>only
>> >the parts which are public.
>>
>> By definition, the API is the programming interface which applications
>> use. Otherwise, it would the DAPI.
>
>Interface implies documented, nitwit.
Interface implies documented? Really? I would think it implies
interface, is all.
--
T. Max Devlin
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