Linux-Advocacy Digest #737, Volume #29 Thu, 19 Oct 00 01:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: Why does Linux have to be such a pain to install? - A speech
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Astroturfing (Mike Byrns)
Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux? (Darin Johnson)
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? (Mike Byrns)
Re: Astroturfing (Mike Byrns)
Linus position in "Power List" (mopi)
Re: sysadmin == secondary role (Was: Astroturfing (Darin Johnson)
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? (Mike Byrns)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? (Mike Byrns)
Re: Astroturfing ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Astroturfing ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? ("Les Mikesell")
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? ("Les Mikesell")
Re: Microsoft kicked off the Web! ("Les Mikesell")
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Why does Linux have to be such a pain to install? - A speech
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 03:49:31 GMT
Well, one thing is for sure about a lot of linux fanatics. They are
very touchy and quick to the defense. I guess it comes from years of
abuse from MS people at work. Anywho, I've read books. I don't know
if you're familiar with O'Reilly Publishings Running Linux, Linux
Network Admin, Unix in a nutshell, and Apache. I've used all of them
to help me get things installed. (Apache is running on Windoze now) I
have finally gotten the thing to start to work. I downloaded RH 7.0,
which may or may not be a mistake, but it is running, and on my
network. Then I was able to get X somewhat tuned. I've downloaded the
latest version of Helixcode Gnome and it is pretty nice. For those of
you who have attempted to give advice, you are the reason that open
source is the wave of the future. For those of you that b*tch and moan
about these damn newbies, you are the reason why open source has not
been welcomed into the development environments of most major
corporations and I'm stuck developing on an NT machine.
Anyway, I still have some goals for my linux machine. I'd like to get
Tomcat up and running and serving up some JSP's, to get Samba up and
running, and try and tweak it's performance.
By the way, that HelixCode from Gnome install was another reason Linux
has a chance on the desktop. It doesn't get any easier than that.
Lighten up people.
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (JoeX1029) wrote:
> Why does everybody *inist* on trying to use Linux for the common taks
of a
> desktop. Do you take your kids to school in the Ferrari?? Linux is
not and
> should not be a desktop system, it's a server/dev/wrkstatn system.
Moreover,
> why in the hell are you coping the OS that you switched to Linux
because of?
>
> >...my older Compaq 133mHz machine. It took me several tries to
> >get it running, and a little personal help from a linux guru.
>
> It took you more than one time? I've persaonally done Custom
installs on
> Compaq's, Toshiba's Dell and Custom machines. I've done RedHat (5.1
and 5.2)
> Slackware 3 and Caldera 1.2 Lite.
>
> Maybe if you damn peple didnt just throw in the cd and try to do a
custom
> install, then bitch about why it doesent work. Why dont you try
reading a
> book? Dont even have to read the whole book, skip thru the index for
what you
> want~!
>
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: Mike Byrns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Astroturfing
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 04:02:39 GMT
lyttlec wrote:
> > >> Claiming to be an Engineer makes you liable in every state. Tx is, afik,
> > >> the only state currently registering Software Engineers. (Others are
> > >> working on it) Everywhere else you register as an Electrical,
> > >> Mechanical, or Industrial Engineer, or as a CPA.
> > >>
> > >> > > My advice to anyone using the MSCE on business cards : DON'T!
> > >> >
> > >> > My advice? DO. You get a 100K job on simple to administer systems! Whoo hoo!
> > >> > Downside? You get a pager and a notebook like everyone else.
> > >>
> > >> Send me your business card. I'll forward it and the complaint to your
> > >> local Board of Registration for Surveyors and Engineers or what ever it
> > >> is called in your state/country. Got a lawyer? The boards like to make a
> > >> big deal out of one or two cases each year to justify the tax dollars.
> > >> Perhaps yours will be the one.
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Show the code....or hit the road.
> >
> > Perry Piplani [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Shall we take the time to find out where Mike Byrns lives and complain
> to his state board?
Mike Byrns
610 S. James
Champaign, IL
Department of Professional Regulation State Board of Professional Engineers
320 West Washington Street, 3rd Floor � Springfield 62786
Thelma Barrington, Design Professions Coordinator
Telephone: (217) 785-0877 � Fax: (217) 782-7645
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.dpr.state.il.us/
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux?
From: Darin Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 04:08:47 GMT
"Standard" generally means whatever people want it to mean,
I agree that "Windows" is a defacto ABI standard. But having Word or
Excel being defacto "document exchange" standards doesn't make sense,
because those programs do not attempt to make sure other programs can
use the same format. Even though lots of people can handle it, it
still feels like more of a "common document format" than a "standard".
Or maybe a statement that too many people don't know that Word can
decode a lot of other formats.
"Standard" implies something against which other things are measured
(ie, from the dictionary definition). So almost anything can be a
standard in that sense. Ie, if two or more programs generate the
Word output format, that format can be a standard - but the same
would apply to WordPerfect also. If there's only one of something,
measuring it against itself doesn't make it a standard.
Something that is popular is not necessarily a "standard" or "defacto
standard". A popular interface that you can't measure against is not
a standard. To me, that's the problem with Word being a standard - it
changes shape too often to be measured against. The standard starts
becoming "Word 95", then "Word 97" when enough people switch over,
etc. If the current "defacto standard" happens to be "Word 2001", and
there is no other program that exists at that time which generates
that format, is it a standard?
That's just me perhaps, but my definition of "standard" is not
"something that a lot of people use". But that's because I'm an
engineer.
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From: Mike Byrns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 04:11:19 GMT
Darin Johnson wrote:
> Mike Byrns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > > I bought an Amiga in 1985.
> ...
>
> > These groups weren't around then. Where did you see verifiable data on this
> > that you can post? Andecdotal.
>
> What the...? Of course they were around then. I first got on USENET
> back in 82-83, and it had been around for quite a few years before
> then too.
These groups. Not USENET. The groups include comp.os.linux.advocacy
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
comp.lang.java.advocacy
> Can you provide verifiable data that the USENET did not exist back
> then?
Of course USENET existed. It was one of the first applications of ARPANET after
email. It predates TCP/IP.
These groups did not exist then because the technologies they are advocating did
not exist. Understand now?
> How do we know you'll believe our evidence if we find it.
Well it ought to be pretty self-explanaotory :-)
> If
> you're the one going against popular wisdom (that we were all
> hallucinating and no network existed in 1985) why shouldn't you be the
> one to provide the proof?
If you're going to be the one that interprets "these groups" as the all of USENET
then I think the burden of proving they weren't around in 1985 rests on you.
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From: Mike Byrns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Astroturfing
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 04:17:48 GMT
Les Mikesell wrote:
> "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:6BYG5.11100$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > "Ian Davey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "JS/PL"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > > >> When I said use your brain, I meant use it, not repeat the same stuff
> in
> > > >> detail. There is probably something very badly wrong with your
> > > >> installation. C corrupted filesystem or a bad harddisk or something.
> > > >> There are kernel options to allow Linux to see more memory.
> > > >> Try mem=256M or something like it.
> > > >
> > > >That's the point, my objective isn't to hack the kernel, it is to
> insert a
> > > >disk, hover over the return key for a few minutes and have the thing
> work in
> > >
> > > You don't need to hack the kernel, there's a point in the Mandrake 7.1
> install
> > > where you get to enter how much memory you have. All you do is amend the
> > > 64MB value in the text box and change it to 256MB. Not rocket science.
> >
> > But be careful!
> >
> > If you install on an box with an Intel 810 chipset, it's usually 1 less
> > than the MB you have installed. 128? No... 127. 256? No... 255 or 254
> > Otherwise? Kernel panic! There's quality software for you.
>
> Neat! How many Microsoft people are paid to do research on Linux's
> weak points?
How about the wildy successful ABIT BP6? Remember the hacker's cheap dual
overclocked celeron system? I have one. $200 bought the UATA/66 mobo and a
pair of celeron 366s last year. I had a box with 1.1 GHz combined processing
power, supported by beta3 of Windows 2000 and no distro of Linux save Gentus
from ABIT itself will run on it. Mandrake and others install just fine and the
kernel panic when they try to boot.
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From: mopi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Linus position in "Power List"
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 04:49:54 GMT
Just caught the repeat of "The Power List" on UKs Channel 4 - Linus
got a position in the top 100 for work on Linux.
Zero mention of RMS or FSF but ibms promotion of Linux got a big plug.
Did anyone get the actual position - I must have blinked for that bit.
fyi The Power List is drawn up anually and lists the 300 people who
have the most power (influence?) over the lives of people living in
the UK - prime minister of China came in at number 68, madonna at 96,
head of Starbucks was well up there - never even see a starbucks!
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: sysadmin == secondary role (Was: Astroturfing
From: Darin Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 04:57:05 GMT
Michael Marion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Man, you must work for some shitty people. I used to work in our company's
> core services sysadmin group and thought like that for awhile.. then I moved
> to a position where I'm directly supporting engineers (they can call, or walk
> right up to us and ask for help). It's amazing how much more rewarding the
> job is when the users will thank you for your help whenever they see you in
> the hallways, and when we get thanked everytime a project is done. Our users
> know that without us, they wouldn't be able to get their work done.
You must be good then. It's been a common complaint in the last few
companies I've been at that sysadmins aren't helpful. I just assumed
engineers always admin'ed their own machines if they wanted to get
anything done.
Things do seem to have changed over the years. When I did sysadmin
type work, I remember scheduling down times after hours, and I even
did an upgrade over a holiday. But it was somewhat recently when
someone brought something down in the afternoon, then not getting it
fixed in time, just WENT HOME at 5 or 6, leaving the network down
until he arrived in the AM.
Where I am now, most of the people are from a small company that was
acquired. The "inherited" admins refuse to do any work on the laptops
these people have since they're "not supported". One genius even went
to far as to quietly change a laptop when the user was away so that it
didn't talk to Outlook anymore - that's what I would call
anti-support. I mean the company was acquired to create, develop, and
support products, not to have to jump through I.S. hoops. It's not
the executives of the company creating these hurdles, or people in the
chain of command, but totally unrelated people in an organization that
supposed to provide "service". (of course, a lot of it is just
clueless service people too, you can always find one or two who take
the "service" part seriously and who know what they're doing)
A shared disk was copied and renamed because of some crash, but people
weren't notified of the new name. The access control list was lost,
and it took me 3 weeks to them do add the list back. If they had done
the job quickly, or had warned us of the change, I'd have said thanks.
Both companies before that, the engineers just all knew the root
password, because it took far too long to get computer services to do
anything.
Didn't use to be that way. When I was a sysadmin, I got chewed out by
the boss if a user complained. But this was rare, I got more thanks
than not usually. If users bought a new application and told you to
support it, you supported it. Nowdays, the user is told what will be
supported and what won't be (and being unsupported means not-allowed,
not user-supported).
I'd give out more thanks than I do now, but I've gotten so cynical
that I don't even bother asking for help. It doesn't start this way
though; when I'm new to a company, I naively expect that things will
be different, and I ignore my coworkers who say trying to get help is
pointless; and it takes time before I start realizing they were right.
I hate to be that way, because I know what being a sysadmin is like.
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From: Mike Byrns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 04:58:01 GMT
"T. Max Devlin" wrote:
> Said Mike Byrns in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
> >Weevil wrote:
> [...]
> >> Mike, this is all verifiable stuff. Perhaps you are only familiar with The
> >> World According to Bill, but not even he can erase *this* much history.
> >
> >Listen. I only asked you to post proof that "Microsoft advocates scoffed at GUI
> >of Amigas, Macs, and Atari STs. No real productivity could ever be achieved
> >with those mouse things, they said. And who needed
> >multitasking? Why would anybody ever need to run more than one program at a
> >time, for god's sakes? And of course, 640k ram was enough for anybody."
> >
> >Neither COMA nor COMNA existed then. I was asking you to provide a link to
> >prove those comments were made.
>
> Yes, but the real question is why you are asking for that. Is it
> because you know it would be very hard to produce, regardless of how
> true it is, or because you are so delusional that you believe it isn't
> true?
No, Max it's because there weren't COMA or COMNA newsgroups then (1985 so as not to
be misquoted by you) for this other troll to quote. I know these groups did not
exist then. I was wishing they would have.
> >I remeber being jealous of those cool graphical
> >toy computers. But my PC was so much faster and I multitasked quite nicely with
> >DesqView and Sidekick. When I saw Windows for the first time in 1987 I wasn't
> >terribly impressed. DesqView was still better even though Windows had been out
> >for over a year. [...]
>
> Oddly enough, the more experience you actually have, the more stupid it
> makes you seem, that you hold your current opinions and delusions.
> You're starting to become something of a rather sad figure, Mike; locked
> into the monopoly for your livelihood, you can't fathom why anyone says
> anything bad about Microsoft...
Oh. Max.
I am now very impressed. And I can fathom the folks that tell lies about Microsoft
-- fear is a very strong motivator for the self-taughts that claim to be Linux
admins.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 00:56:31 -0400
Chad Myers wrote:
>
> www.taxclarity.com
>
> Check it out. It objectively compares the two tax plans.
>
> You plug in your numbers and it tells you what you will
> save with each plan.
>
> There is a $700 descrepency for me personally between
> Bush's plan and Gore's plan. Most of this comes from
> not getting a specific credit under Gore's plan because
> I don't live in a two-earner home.
>
> I guess if I live my life the way Gore and the liberals
> want, I get the benefits, otherwise, they steal $700
> from me?
Democrat policy is all about micro-managing everybody's
fucking life.
>
> Election day should be April 16. We'd get much more people
> out to vote and get much better results at the poll.
>
> -Chad
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: Mike Byrns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 05:01:48 GMT
"T. Max Devlin" wrote:
> Said Mike Byrns in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
> >Weevil wrote:
> [...]
> >The code was there. The error messages were not bogus. The message simply
> >warned the DR-DOS was not supported and that bad things *might* happen if you
> >used it. It was just there so Microsoft would not have to support other
> >people's software.
>
> Well, you got that right.
>
> "Microsoft intended to scare OEMs and users, and thus eliminate DR DOS
> as a competitive threat. Microsoft�s intentions were clearly stated by
> Brad Silverberg. David Cole sent Silverberg an e-mail asking, "what is
> the guy is supposed to do" when he sees the false error message?
> Silverberg responded:
>
> "What the guy is supposed to do is feel uncomfortable, and when he has
> bugs, suspect that the problem is DR DOS and then go out to buy MS-DOS.
> Or decide to not take the risk for the other machines he has to buy for
> in the office."
That's right. Absolutely. There's nothing wrong with that. Microsoft is not
obligated in any way to support competing products. They are obligated to tell
DR-DOS users that their unsupported software is detected and warn them that
Windows will not be supported running on it. Ford won't support you if you
install non-MotoCraft parts, Max.
>
> >> We faked the whole court case, and you caught us at
> >> it! Brilliant!
> >
> >The court case is essentially faked.
It's is Max and history will vindicate me.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Astroturfing
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 00:59:16 -0400
Chad Myers wrote:
>
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > On Wed, 18 Oct 2000 04:40:00 GMT, Les Mikesell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > >"Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > >news:UQ8H5.11324$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >
> > >> I was asked to install a kick-around Linux box on an extra box we had
> > >> to test our java SDK on something other than Windows.
> > >>
> > >> Basic RH 6.2 install... didn't detect hardly anything.
> > >>
> > >> Intel 810-chipset, one of the most ubiquitos chipsets around... couldn't
> > >> detect sound, video, UDMA, RAM, nothing.
> >
> > ...yet it managed to catch my Voodoo3 and my Matrox G400.
>
> Which is a testament to Linux's desparity and inconsistency.
> In other words, if you have mainstream hardware, you're probably ok,
> if you happen to have an odd-ball component, you're SOL because they
> drivers won't get made unless some developer feels its worthy of
> developing.
>
> This is unfortunate too, because many business desktops are 810
> (like the one I used and most of the ones in my office on the
> non-developer machines).
>
> If Linux ever hopes to take over the desktop, hardware ubiquity
> will be hurdle #1 to overcome.
If a legal injunction could be brought down to end Microsoft's
practice of mau-mauing hardware manufacturers into specifically
AVOIDING Linux driver development, there disparity would end
within 2 weeks.
The problem is NOT with the linux community, it is with the
underhanded, unethical business practices of Microsoft.
> -Chad
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Astroturfing
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 01:00:24 -0400
lyttlec wrote:
>
> Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> >
> > "lyttlec" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "lyttlec" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > In the bookstores the new books have "MCSP" Microsoft Certified
> > > > > Solutions Provider or Microsoft Certified Software Professional,
> > "MCDBA"
> > > > > Microsoft Certified Data Base Administrator, "MSNA" Microsoft
> > Certified
> > > > > Network Administrator. The older books still show MSCE. But it doesn't
> > > > > matter much what MS says. Just don't call yourself an Engineer on your
> > > > > business card if you go into consulting.
> > > >
> > > > MCSP is a different certification than MCSE. MCSP is a certificaiton
> > for
> > > > management if I recall correctly, while the MSNA is limited only to
> > > > networking versus Windows support, etc...
> >
> > > MCSP is being used on the programming language books that used to show
> > > MCSE. i.e VB, VC++. Perhaps its just a marketing thing to get people to
> > > pay more money for 4 letters of the alphabet.
> >
> > MCSE is a hardware and networking certification. It has nothing to do with
> > programming. That's the MCSD (Microsoft Certified Solution Developer) and
> > has been in existance for at least 5 years.
> >
> > An MCP is a Certified Professional, and is sort of a catch-all. Anyone that
> > has any MS certification (or has completed at least one test) is an MCP, but
> > you have to complete specific tests for specific certifications.
> I forgot Microsoft Certified Solution Developer, to go along with
> Microsoft Certified Solution Provider. What is the exact difference?
> MCSD, MCSP, MCSP, MCSE, MCDBA, MCSA, any more? What hardware does an
> MCSE cover? How to use a mouse?
Random keyboard poking....
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 05:06:47 GMT
"Simon Cooke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8sl9ui$jab$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > Do you have the courage of your convictions?
>
> Yes. I have the courage enough to state that to my knowledge, Microsoft
does
> not write its products so as to deliberately cripple competing companies'
> products. Its applications have no innate advantage over other
applications
> on the same OS.
Is your lack of knowledge supposed to inspire the rest of us in some way?
Is
Microsoft capable of keeping a secret?
Les Mikesell
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 05:06:47 GMT
"Simon Cooke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8skuar$f3e$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > Simon Cooke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:8sj5ae$pl0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >
> > > Provide one SHRED of proof that "DOS ain't done 'till Lotus won't run"
> is
> > > anything more than an anti-Microsoft FUD mantra. I will gladly post
that
> > > line, and the qualifying proof as my signature for the rest of my
Usenet
> > > days if you manage to do so.
> > >
> > > Proof that qualifies is any kind of evidence that Microsoft did indeed
> > > change DOS explicitly so that Lotus would not run, or any kind of
order
> > from
> > > a Microsoft executive of that form.
> > >
> > > I'll be waiting. But I won't hold my breath.
> >
> > Hmmm...does it have to be Lotus? Would it be OK if it was another
> product?
>
> Nope. It has to be Lotus -- because everyone always quotes "DOS Ain't Done
> Till Lotus Won't Run", and it's being used as a keystone for an argument
> here.
There must be someone who can remember the number of times it happened.
Once might have been accidental. Of course MSDOS 4.0 broke just about
everything ever used before, so Lotus probably wasn't singled out that
time.
And it is amusing that it happened again with NT's service pack 6.
Les Mikesell
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft kicked off the Web!
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 05:06:47 GMT
"Otto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:BEtH5.30884$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> :
> : The intel architecture has yet to catch up to previous
> : shipping Sun hardware at this point. The sorts of comments
> : that you hurl really mean considerably less than you would
> : have people believe.
>
> And that suppose to make someone believe that Sun box is faster than Intel
> box, when it comes to crypto math calculation, right?
>
> : Besides, Sun hasn't been standing still at all.
>
> You are correct, it's been going down....
>
> Otto
You have an odd sense of direction:
http://www.sun.com/aboutsun/investor/2001-q1.html
Les Mikesell
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