Linux-Advocacy Digest #737, Volume #30            Fri, 8 Dec 00 09:13:02 EST

Contents:
  Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
  Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
  Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
  Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
  Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
  Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
  Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
  Re: OS tree - SOUND OFF! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
  Re: OS tree - SOUND OFF! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
  Re: Just in case anybody is wondering about reliability ("Aaron R. Kulkis")

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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 08:15:04 -0500

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> Steve Mading writes:
> 
> >>> I would disagree strongly.  Using the typewriter keys (like hjkl) is
> >>> much, much faster than losing the home-row placement of your fingers
> >>> to go hit the arrow keys, or the 'ins/home/end.etc...' keys, or to
> >>> move the mouse.
> 
> >> Except that while you're typing, if you want to go back and correct an
> >> error, you first have to get out of insert mode by finding that escape
> >> key, which isn't on the home row, and then you have to get back into
> >> insert mode with the i key, which also isn't on the home row.
> 
> > To hit ESC, you don't have to move your whole arm, just stretch
> > your finger a bit (Especially so on the older keyboards for which
> > VI was designed, which put the escape key at the left edge of the
> > numbers row.)
> 
> To hit cursor keys, you don't have to move your whole arm, just
> stretch your finger a bit.

Dave, I don't know ANYBODY who's right pinky finger can even extend
to the backspace, \, or past right side of the Enter key on a traditional
101-key keyboard without moving the wrist...and hence the entire
fore-arm.

Are you claiming to have detachable fingers?

> 
> > Not only that, but you use your LEFT hand, while the
> > RIGHT stays by the hjkl keys.
> 
> Not if I want to type yuioopnm, for example.

Besides Dave Tholen, BIGGEST FUCKING IDIOT IN THE UNIVERSE,
the set of people who wants to type "yuioopnm," consists of who exactly?


> 
> > To hit 'i', you don't have to move
> > your hand at all.  You would have to be a really terrible typist to
> > lose track of the home row just becuase you hit a key on the top row.
> > Now, when you have to move your whole hand by swinging your forearm
> > in order to reach the 'special keys', then you have to look down
> > to find your finger positions.
> 
> Not with the layout on my keyboard.

Catering to One-of-a-kind pieces should not be the goal
of mass-distributed software.

> 
> > The only thing I would change about
> > HJKL would be to have made it be JKL; instead, so that you use all
> > four home-row fingers rather than just three of them with the index
> > finger doing double-duty.  But this is a very small difference.
> 
> I've seen some cursor movement implementations that put the 'up'
> key on the row above hjkl and the 'down' key on the row below
> hjkl, presumably because too many people complained about having
> difficulty keeping track of which letter was up and which was down.

And this supports the argument for using arrow keys how, exacty?



By the way, you STILL haven't seen a doctor about getting your
rectum re-routed out of your skull...have you....



-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642


H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.

------------------------------

From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 08:15:50 -0500

Tore Lund wrote:
> 
> Steve Mading wrote:
> >
> > In comp.os.linux.advocacy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > : Steve Mading writes:
> >
> > :> To hit ESC, you don't have to move your whole arm, just stretch
> > :> your finger a bit (Especially so on the older keyboards for which
> > :> VI was designed, which put the escape key at the left edge of the
> > :> numbers row.)
> >
> > : To hit cursor keys, you don't have to move your whole arm, just
> > : stretch your finger a bit.
> >
> > Wow!  So I assume then that your planet is populated by aliens with
> > sinewy 8-inch long fingers that can bend sideways and splay out
> > in any direction from the palm?  [snip]
> 
> I think you missed the sarcasm here.

I think you missed the Tholen-stupidity there...Dumb Dave was actually serious.


> --
>     Tore


-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642


H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.

------------------------------

From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 08:16:50 -0500

Steve Mading wrote:
> 
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> : There's a simple solution to all of this.
> 
> : If in doubt, hit the escape key.  This puts you in command mode.
> : Then hit type "i" to begin inserting at your current location.
> 
> : Problem solved.
> 
> This is essentially what I do, as do most experienced vi users.
> The problem comes from thinking of 'insert' as a mode.  Think
> of it as an command action (insert the following stuff...), and
> then think of 'esc' as the 'done with that action' key.  I often
> gratuitously hit 'esc' when I come back to the editor after my
> attention has been drawn away, and I don't even do it consiously.
> 
> What I like about vi is that it lets you mix the activity of
> 'editing code' with the activity of 'composing code' without
> having to look down at the keys to move your hand from one
> part of the keyboard to the other.  (And any 'clunkiness'
> experienced from not being in insert mode by default is more
> than made up for by the ultra-powerful commands available that
> save shitloads of time when editing already-written code (which
> is what programmers spend the majority of their time in an editor
> doing.  The initial type-a-lot-of-stuff-at-once stage is only the
> first sliver of time spent.  Then you have to go back and fix all
> your mistakes, and for that I insist on the power of vi.)

Damn straight.

-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642


H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.

------------------------------

From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 08:19:06 -0500

Steve Mading wrote:
> 
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> : Thus, EVERY time you changed modes, it would take an average
> : of 100 characters to move the cursor to the corner, change
> : the mode indicator, and then move the cursor back.
> 
> : At 300 baud..that's 3 seconds...assuming that you're actually
> : getting full throughput on the line (i.e. if the system is
> : heavily loaded, it will be even worse).
> 
> This is also one of the reasons the curses library is the fastest
> terminal screen code there is.  It was borne out of vi, and it
> was highly optimized for getting things done with the least number
> of characters sent.  Even though that isn't as critical today, it's
> still nice to know your shell logins are sending the minimal number
> of bytes possible over the medium, regardless of whether that medium
> is a modem or a LAN.  Bandwith is never so large that it is okay to
> waste it.  Less bandwith usage per user equals more simultaneous
> users possible.
> 
> When I first looked at the termcap (or terminfo, can't remember
> which I encountered first) stuff, to upgrade the settings for a
> new terminal, I was vastly amazed by the sheer number of terminals
> and terminal emulators supported by the typical Unix installation.
> It was mind-boggling.

And it grows bigger every year.

termcap has them all in one file.

That eventually got to be tooooooooooo big, so
terminfo was invented, with separate files for a*, b*, c*, etc.
named, of course, a, b, c, etc  respectively.


> 
> :>
> :> <excessively long sig snipped>
> 
> <and re-snipped>


-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642


H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.

------------------------------

From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 08:20:09 -0500

Steve Mading wrote:
> 
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Les Mikesell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> : <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> : news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> :> >>>>> "Steve" == Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> :>
> :>     Steve> (To tholen) Okay we agree, it seems, that intuativeness is
> :>     Steve> purely relative to what is already known.  In the case of
> :>     Steve> Vi, it only appears unintuative if you are used to some
> :>     Steve> other editor first.  This I agree with.  What you don't
> :>     Steve> seem to get is that it works the other way around too - if
> :>     Steve> you learn Vi first, then those other editors are the
> :>     Steve> unintuative ones.
> :>
> :> Yeah, especially  when regular expressions have become  almost a basic
> :> instinct and the other editor doesn't have regular expressions.
> 
> : Or repeat counts for everything, including inserts, or ways to describe
> : motions or ranges.
> 
> I tend to do this a lot for repeating lists of things where I know
> I'm going to go back and just change one thing on each line, but
> other than that all the lines are the same.  I love doing:
>     50 o {type the line} {esc}
> To stick the line in 50 times.

wow.  Never realized you could do that.

I used to do this

o {type line} {esc}
yy50p

-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642


H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.

------------------------------

From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 08:21:06 -0500

Steve Mading wrote:
> 
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> : Not exactly uncommon.  When my VCR is "off", it's still on by
> : enough to keep a clock running and monitor its programming to
> : determine whether to turn "on" (or should I say "more on") and
> : record a program.  Doesn't make the power switch any less
> : intuitive.
> 
> Actually, I would say that that sort of power switch is highly
> unintuitive.  Intuitively, you'd expect that turning something
> off would, you know, actually turn it off.

Don't confuse the tholen-dolt with reason.
He's having a difficult enough time as it is.

-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642


H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.

------------------------------

From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 08:23:59 -0500

Steve Mading wrote:
> 
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> : Actually, the first thing to learn is how to exit the editor,
> : hence the ZZ.
> 
> I'd been using vi for 1 month before I ever heard of that command,
> and I still never use it.  It is not the first command you have to
> learn.  Learning it as ":wq" is much better, as this is consistent
> with the other types of quitting commands.  ZZ was just a quick
> shortcut mapping to the 'real' command.

I think ZZ stands for:

"Additional caffeine+sugar solution will no longer keep my eyelids open"

> 
> :> Hit escape if you aren't sure.  Now you are.
> 
> : So much for efficiency.
> 
> It takes roughly zero time to do that, and you only do it if
> something distracted you long enough to forget where you are.
> 
> :> It is consistent with being the end of the type of motion command
> :> you gave.
> 
> : Do you consider d to be a "motion command"?
> 
> '$' is the motion command, not 'd'.  That's the way the other
> ones work:
> d {motion command} (delete from cursor to the moved-to-spot)
> y {motion command} (yank from cursor to the moved-to-spot)
> > {motion command} (indent block from cursor to moved-to-line)
> < {motion command} (outdent block from cursor to moved-to-line)
> v {motion command} (visually select from cursor to moved-to-spot)
> ...etc...  (the last one (v) didn't exist in the original vi, but
> exists in all the new incarnations of it)


-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642


H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.

------------------------------

From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: OS tree - SOUND OFF!
Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 08:28:20 -0500

Steve Mading wrote:
> 
> Charlie Ebert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> : On Wed, 06 Dec 2000 20:00:24 -0500,
> : Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> : <SNIP>
> 
> : Man!  Commodore had this effect which I believe
> : started this whole thing off.
> 
> : I didn't realize everybody else was into commodore
> : back then.
> 
> About a month ago I downloaded "Vice" (A C-64 emulator,
> as well as an emulator for some other Commodore machines
> like Vic20 and PET).  I've been in retro-kitchy heaven
> ever since.  I've finished Phantasie1 again, and am now in
> the middle of Phantasie2.  (Those games go faster when you
> can warp-speed all the 1541 disk access in the emulator).
> 
> Check out "http://www.lemon64.com" for a good site on c-64
> retro emulations and games.
> 
> Who could ever forget: "Destroy him, my robots.", and "AAAaaaahhhhh..."

Where do you get the executable images?

-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642


H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.

------------------------------

From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: OS tree - SOUND OFF!
Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 08:28:56 -0500

Steve Mading wrote:
> 
> Charlie Ebert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> : On Wed, 06 Dec 2000 20:00:24 -0500,
> : Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> : <SNIP>
> 
> : Man!  Commodore had this effect which I believe
> : started this whole thing off.
> 
> : I didn't realize everybody else was into commodore
> : back then.
> 
> About a month ago I downloaded "Vice" (A C-64 emulator,
> as well as an emulator for some other Commodore machines
> like Vic20 and PET).  I've been in retro-kitchy heaven
> ever since.  I've finished Phantasie1 again, and am now in
> the middle of Phantasie2.  (Those games go faster when you
> can warp-speed all the 1541 disk access in the emulator).
> 
> Check out "http://www.lemon64.com" for a good site on c-64
> retro emulations and games.
> 
> Who could ever forget: "Destroy him, my robots.", and "AAAaaaahhhhh..."

How are you obtaining the images of the various files
(game executables, data, etc.)  

-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642


H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.

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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Just in case anybody is wondering about reliability
Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 08:32:46 -0500

SwifT - wrote:
> 
> On 8 Dec 2000, Jeff Silverman wrote:
> 
> > Netcraft has a service where they measure the reliability of various operating 
>systems.  The URL is
> > http://uptime.netcraft.com/hosted?netname=DN-CIDR2,209.207.128.0,209.207.255.255
> >
> > Interestingly enough, of the top 50 sites in terms of uptime, EVERY ONE OF THEM is 
>running Apache on
> > either Linux or Solaris, or BSD/OS.
> 
> It has been posted more than enough that Win2K is too "new" on the marked.
> System admins must get the feeling about it, before they can thrive it up
> to good performances. Also, most sysadmins wait till servicepack 4 comes
> out, since (in the line of NT) this sp will make 2K as solid as necessary.
> 

So, in other words, Lose2K *MIGHT* be ready for primetime 3rd quarter, 2002.


> --
>  SwifT


-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642


H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.

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