Linux-Advocacy Digest #244, Volume #30 Wed, 15 Nov 00 00:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: OT: Could someone explain C++ phobia in Linux? (Goldhammer)
Re: OS stability (sfcybear)
Re: OS stability (sfcybear)
Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum ("Les Mikesell")
Re: OT: Could someone explain C++ phobia in Linux? ("mmnnoo")
Re: The Sixth Sense (Craig Kelley)
Re: Uptime -- where is NT? (Marty)
Re: OS stability (sfcybear)
Re: NT/2000 true multiuser? (Craig Kelley)
Re: Linux + KDE2 = 8) ("Les Mikesell")
DO YOU THINK THIS... (Steve Barta)
Re: The Sixth Sense ("Bruce Schuck")
Re: OS stability (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: Lets try serious advocacy/discussion. ("Les Mikesell")
Re: Lets try serious advocacy/discussion. ("Les Mikesell")
Re: Of course, there is a down side... ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Uptime -- where is NT? ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: OS stability (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: A Microsoft exodus! (Donovan Rebbechi)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Goldhammer)
Subject: Re: OT: Could someone explain C++ phobia in Linux?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 04:17:43 GMT
On Tue, 14 Nov 2000 22:09:34 -0500,
mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Goldhammer wrote:
>> Actually, I didn't offer my own conclusion on the matter, rather,
>> I referred you to the writings of others.
>
>I have read the writings of others, and seldom do they make a good
>point. I started this thread to hear/debate opinions.
But you see, no matter what one comes up with as an exception
to the rule that 'C is a subset of C++', it can always be
argued that this exception is inconsequential, and that,
for all practical intents and purposes, C is a subset of C++.
Do you want an opinion on this? Ok. C++ is not a superset of C.
Why? I have seen some legal C which doesn't work in C++. Are these
examples obscure? Yes. Can you argue that they are inconsequential?
Probably. Then does that mean C++ really is a superset of C? No.
>> With the onset of standards for
>> C++, perhaps arguments of this nature can be made... Just a side
>> question here: does the C++ standard contain the complex data type?
>
>Does C?
I believe so.
>Is it important?
See my comment above.
--
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From: sfcybear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: OS stability
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 04:09:22 GMT
WHO CARES WHAT YOU THINK.
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From: sfcybear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: OS stability
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 04:08:36 GMT
what I think of you, your opinions, and your opinion of me:
0
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 04:20:45 GMT
"Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:fobQ5.991$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
>
> > Take your own advice - don't be so blatantly dishonest. The 2Gb
> > limit is *not* built-in to Linux or other Unixes, and it exists
> > *only* when the CPU is 32-bit, and varies depending on the
> > filesystem used.
>
> Linux, ext2fs... the limit is built-in because the designers weren't
> smart enough to do what several other OSes have successfully been
> able to do.
You mean Microsoft? The company that only sold systems
with 32 Meg DRIVE limits back when Linus came up with
the 2Gig file limit design?
> Is it platform independant? Not really. NT was able to support
> this 8eb file size limit on every platform it ran on (32-bit and
> 64-bit).
And at some point in the cycle of service packs it might
have actually worked as long as the whole file system
only has a small number of files.
> It's a failing and design flaw of Linux, would you please admit this
> and move on? Linus, Red Hat, and several others have admitted this
> flaw and are fixing it, why can't you?
>
> -Chad
So when is Microsoft going to provide a free upgrade for all of
their systems that still have a 2Gig or smaller file limit?
Les Mikesell
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From: "mmnnoo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: OT: Could someone explain C++ phobia in Linux?
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 04:26:42 GMT
I can't believe I'm getting sucked into this.
"Russ Lyttle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
<snip>
> Easy. It isn't an emotional dislike. C++ just isn't suitable for the
> job. C++ is slower than C by an order of magnitude (almost as slow as
> Java).
C++ can be both amazingly expressive _and_ efficient.
STL (and templates in general) are so cool!
> It is difficult to manage any sizable project in C++.
Because of irritating junk like namespaces and support
for encapsulation, i.e. 'private' data, which c doesn't have?
> Multiple
> inheritance and friend functions are just two reasons.
Yeah, and C is only for hacking out spaghetti code because it has a 'goto'
statement.
> C++ is almost
> impossible to maintain.
Particularly if you don't know C++ very well, like somebody who shall remain
nameless
> C++ has all the weakness of C and none of its
> advantages.
But in C++ there are better options for some of the 'bad' aspects of C, such
as
void *.
But it is too bad C++ can't yet have a binary standard for libraries
and executables like C has. Maybe someday.
> I can think of any number of alternatives to both C and C++.
true
> But C does have the history behind it.
true
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Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Sixth Sense
From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 14 Nov 2000 21:26:17 -0700
"Bruce Schuck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> "Giuliano Colla" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Bruce Schuck wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Well, MS underwent a big effort to undermine this joke,
> > > > blackmailing OEM's and playing other nasty tricks.
> > > > Can you tell why?
> > >
> > > Microsft gave away IE because Netscape gave their product away for free
> you
> > > twit.
> >
> > Sorry, it's the other way around. Period.
>
> Nope. Netscape was always free to use.
>
> http://home.netscape.com/newsref/pr/newsrelease8.html
>
> "Netscape Navigator 1.0 is available for free downloading on the Internet
> for academic and non-profit use, as well as for free evaluation purposes."
That hardly qualifies as free.
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
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From: Marty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Uptime -- where is NT?
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 04:24:54 GMT
Giuliano Colla wrote:
>
> Marty wrote:
> >
> > Jacques Guy wrote:
> > >
> > > Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> > >
> > > > http://uptime.netcraft.com/hammer/accuracy.html#whichos
> > >
> > > > "Additionally, NT4 uptimes cycle back to zero after 49.7 days, and give
> > > > timestamps exactly as if the machine had been rebooted at this precise
> > > > point"
> > >
> > > Not to worry, only a clerical mistake. Should be 29.52 days, a lunar
> > > month, but they got pi wrong: 4.1316 instead of 3.1416 (approx), hence
> > > the 49.7 days. Hey, everyone can make mistakes! (How did they get a
> > > 49.7-day lunar month from pi = 4.1316? Search me. Probably another
> > > clerical mistake. Or two. Or three. Don't worry. A service pack will fix
> > > it in the more or less distant future, if you live that long)
> >
> > Here's where 49.7 comes from:
> >
> > Largest unsigned 32-bit integer = 4294967296
> >
> > The uptime counter is an unsigned long integer measuring the
> > milliseconds of uptime.
> >
> > So 4294967296 milliseconds is 4294967.296 seconds.
> >
> > 4294967.296 / (60 seconds/minute * 60 minutes/hour * 24 hours/day)
> > = 49.7 days
>
> Doesn't tell something the idea of counting uptime in milliseconds?
> For win 9x I'd suggest microseconds as a suitable unit.
Aside from those amusing implications, it does serve another purpose being in
milliseconds. In OS/2, it is useful for measuring elapsed times with
reasonable precision (better than the RTC, for example, which only measures in
hundreths IIRC).
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From: sfcybear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: OS stability
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 04:16:38 GMT
Yeah, right! First, I looked at the bug, realized I was not vunerable to
it so I did not go into it any farther. I do not know if it's a valid
bug or just some joker playing around. I would need some other
verification! Of course MS could be hiding something from you or better
yet sending plain text passwords when your configured for encryped and
calling it a feature!
the fact remains that you have not provided a single exploit that can be
made againt a site the can not be protected against. The servers could
be pached and every vunerabilty you have tried to raise has can be
protected against. You have faild to make your point that the record
holding Unix servers are vunerable to attack simply because they have
been up for a long time.
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Subject: Re: NT/2000 true multiuser?
From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 14 Nov 2000 21:31:14 -0700
"Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:bgJP5.7856$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:r2JP5.19743$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:n8HP5.7842$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > Huh? The kind of client is irrelevant. The Win2k TS client works on
> > NT4,
> > > > 9x, 2k, and CE devices. You can use the Citrix client for non-Windows
> > > > clients. Yes, that's an extra expense, but then that wasn't what you
> > > > originally said.
> > >
> > > Does the citrix client work against the stock Win2k-server TS server?
> >
> > Yes, it does.
> >
> > Microsofts WTS uses a protocol called RDP, while Citrix Metaframe uses
> ICA.
> > Citrix clients understand both RDP and ICA.
> >
>
> Is there some trick to it? I had a win2k server configured for
> administration
> via TS and couldn't get a Citrix client on Linux to connect.
Because you need to pay for the ICA extensions on your Windows 2000
Server.
Microsoft would never knowingly make something that works with Linux.
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux + KDE2 = 8)
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 04:38:18 GMT
"Pete Goodwin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8uqtbg$h5t$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > The windows way is the wrong way for more than a single machine.
>
> Yet it works. On the machine with just a network card, I configured the
> network via TCP/IP properties in the network applet.
It works under very specific conditions that you just happen to meet.
> In both cases, the hosts file is identical.
I don't really understand this part. My first guess is that you have
misspelled either an entry in your host file or a host name in
a connection request or something along those lines. If you
have all the relevant names in your hosts file, DNS should
never be called. If you are curious, you can run tcpdump
(or pick up ethereal if you want something pretty) and monitor
port 53/udp to see the requests.
If you have given the machines a domain name, put both bare and
qualified names in /etc/hosts:
nnn.nnn.nnn.nnn name.do.main name (more names if you want...)
> In the Linux case I tried to do the same. I setup the network card as
> the local network, and the ISP in Kppp.
>
> Now I find the ISP DNS is being left in /etc/resolv.conf.
That is definately a bug, but avoidable by running your own
name server and using it all the time instead of twiddling
resolv.conf when you dial.
> Please tell me why Windows is doing the wrong thing? It looks to me like
> its doing the _right_ thing in this case.
It is OK for a single machine, and since windows doesn't use DNS much
itself, you can get by with a few others on the net. Add a few more
and run some internet apps on them and you'll want full-time DNS
locally - but it doesn't hurt to have it even on a single machine.
Les Mikesell
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From: Steve Barta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: DO YOU THINK THIS...
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 04:27:45 GMT
WILL WORK?
I think I have an incredible idea for programmers, however, I could
really use input from additional programmers. It would be great if
you, as a programmer, would give me your opinion. It�ll only take 30
seconds. Simply visit http://theinternetrsg.com/Pages/Hmmm.html
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From: "Bruce Schuck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Sixth Sense
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 20:43:24 -0800
"Giuliano Colla" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Bruce Schuck wrote:
> >
> > "Giuliano Colla" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Bruce Schuck wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Well, MS underwent a big effort to undermine this joke,
> > > > > blackmailing OEM's and playing other nasty tricks.
> > > > > Can you tell why?
> > > >
> > > > Microsft gave away IE because Netscape gave their product away for
free
> > you
> > > > twit.
> > >
> > > Sorry, it's the other way around. Period.
> >
> > Nope. Netscape was always free to use.
> >
> > http://home.netscape.com/newsref/pr/newsrelease8.html
> >
> > "Netscape Navigator 1.0 is available for free downloading on the
Internet
> > for academic and non-profit use, as well as for free evaluation
purposes."
>
> You quote the very first release of december 5 1994.
> But if you look at:
>
> http://home.netscape.com/newsref/pr/newsrelease64.html
>
> You'll read:
>
> MOUNTAIN VIEW, Calif. (November 21, 1995) --
> [...]
> Netscape has partnered with Ventana Communications Group to deliver
> Netscape Navigator Personal Edition into the retail channel. Netscape
> Navigator Personal Edition is available through all major computer
> retail outlets, including Best Buy, CompUSA, Computer City, Egghead
> Software, Media Play, Software Etc., Staples and others. Netscape
> Navigator Personal Edition has an estimated street price of $39.95,
> which includes a 90-day warranty and customer support.
> [...]
>
> You can see that Netscape has not been ALWAYS free.
Tsk Tsk. That Press Release is for "Netscape Navigator Personal Edition",
which is not Netscape Navigator the free edition.
In fact, just 42 days earlier they announced a free version of Netscape 2.0
beta for download:
http://home.netscape.com/newsref/pr/newsrelease48.html
MOUNTAIN VIEW, Calif. (October 10, 1995) -- Netscape Communications
Corporation (NASDAQ: NSCP) today introduced the "Netscape Bugs Bounty", a
program that rewards users who help Netscape find and report "bugs" in the
beta versions of its recently announced Netscape Navigator 2.0 software. The
beta versions of the popular network navigation software are available today
for downloading on the Internet for free evaluation.
Why pay for the version you tout when anyone can download the beta to
evaluate for free.
Then, in 3 months, you could download the beta for Netscape Navigator Gold
for free:
http://home.netscape.com/newsref/pr/newsrelease78.html
MOUNTAIN VIEW, Calif. (January 29, 1996) -- Netscape Communications
Corporation (NASDAQ: NSCP) today announced that the public beta version of
Netscape Navigator Gold 2.0 software is available for downloading from the
Netscape Internet site.
Then, on April 29, you could download the public beta for Navigator 3.0
http://home.netscape.com/newsref/pr/newsrelease129.html
MOUNTAIN VIEW, Calif. (April 29, 1996) -- Netscape Communications
Corporation (NASDAQ: NSCP) today unveiled Netscape Navigator 3.0, a major
release of its popular Internet client software for intranets and the
Internet. Netscape Navigator 3.0 delivers a host of new features to
enterprise users including corporate administration and security features,
real-time collaboration and live content. The new release also includes
LiveConnect, a capability that makes it easier for enterprise developers to
create sophisticated, live online applications. A public beta version of
Netscape Navigator 3.0 for Microsoft Windows, Macintosh and UNIX operating
environments is available immediately for downloading from the Netscape
Internet site.
In fact, they brag that 2 million people had download Netscape Navigator
Gold 3.0 here:
http://home.netscape.com/newsref/pr/newsrelease235.html
More than two million users have already downloaded Netscape Navigator Gold
since its debut earlier this year
************************
Netscape was always free in one form or another.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Subject: Re: OS stability
Date: 15 Nov 2000 04:42:18 GMT
On Wed, 15 Nov 2000 04:09:22 GMT, sfcybear wrote:
>WHO CARES WHAT YOU THINK.
A lot of people care what I *do*. You may dismiss my comments on COLA
as inconesquential. I wouldn't fault you for doing so, but I would point
out that
(1) The same could be said for your incoherent ramblings.
(2) Deeds speak louder than words. And all those Linux users who
keep sending me thank you letters certainly care what I do.
--
Donovan
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Lets try serious advocacy/discussion.
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 04:45:29 GMT
"Tore Lund" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > > > > Under
> > > > > Windows best thing would be install new disk with the software
that
> > > > > comes with it (partitioning program) and re-install from the image
CD
> > > > > included with the machine.
> > > >
> > > > Then it could take weeks to install all your software on top of
that.
> > >
> > > This is completely trivial to do under Windows 95/98 (not sure about
> > > Win2K). You have your old disk in C: and a new, formatted disk in D:.
> > > Make sure all files are visible in Windows Explorer, then copy and
paste
> > > everything EXCEPT c:\windows\win386.swp to the new disk. That's it.
> > > You can now swap disks, move jumpers and boot again.
> > >
> > > (Note: This is a VERY brief description for people who understand
what
> > > they are doing. But it really is that simple...)
> >
> > And you just ignore all those "can't open" file errors during such a
> > copy and hope it isn't anything you need? Anything running or
> > open will fail to copy.
>
> Hmmm. There are no such messages so I believe you are wrong here.
>
> But if you know these things, maybe you can tell me why the copy and
> paste operation outlined above should behave differently from "cp -a" in
> Linux? Conceptually, they should be doing the same thing.
First, the invisible boot files (I've forgotten the names) have to be in a
certain place that only 'format /s' or 'sys' knows how to do. Second,
Windows, like DOS before it, naturally locks files in use against
another open (the bane of backups). So, all the running programs
and any data files they might have open will refuse to copy. You
can get a successful copy of a windows partition by doing a
'format /s' under dos/windows on the destination, followed by
booting under linux, mounting the source and target partitions and
using the 'cp -a' command after the boot files are already in place.
Les Mikesell
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Lets try serious advocacy/discussion.
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 04:52:00 GMT
"Ketil Z Malde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Since you deleted all the references to the previous article
>
> Well, you can look it up in References: I'll mail you a copy if you
> like, it's the article where you spell out "cp -a", but are otherwise
> quite helpful and explicit, if sounding a bit weary.
>
Is there a way to follow references in the header backwards in
outlook express the way you can in trn? If they are left in the
body they show as links you can click. Using right-click/properties on
the subject line I could view the header detail and see the
xref but it wasn't displayed as a link and I couldn't find any
way to paste it back in where it would work. And I can't
find any way to export a .newsrc that will keep my place in
the newsgroups when I switch to a different reader.
Les Mikesell
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Of course, there is a down side...
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 23:42:56 +0200
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> The nice thing about Unix is that the defaults are relatively safe,
> and offer NO opportunity for one person to remove another's files.
Interestingly, it's a nice thing that windows (on NTFS) can do as well.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 23:58:11 +0200
"Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:n_2Q5.20452$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:BlSP5.11793$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
>
> > > I don't have a NT4 around that I could experiment with, and this
problem
> > > doesn't affect 2000.
> >
> >
> > Just for a little clarification, I believe the problems you guys
> > are talking about was a bug in NTFS4 (not NTFS5) where if you had over
> > 5 MILLION (not hundred thousand) files you would start running into
> > problems.
>
> I've forgotten the details I found at the time, but I thought it was more
> like that would be the theoretically maximum number for the largest
> drive NTFS could handle, but what it actually did was
> allocate some arbitrary maximum size that the MFT should be
> when you formatted (probably as the ratio of your disk size to the
> theoretical max size...), and when it grew to this size you were
> fried.
You can change MFT size quite easily.
Of course, you need to know how, but isn't it true everywhere?
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 23:59:05 +0200
"Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:Qb5Q5.20472$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > > What does that have to do with exchange? I'm talking about having
> > > exchange deliver a single message with 10,000 remote addresses
> > > by itself - fairly often. Sendmail can do that although it
appreciates
> > > having a front end chunk the list up first so some deliveries will run
> > > in parallel.
> >
> > SMTP Server is a SMTP server that comes with IIS.
> > If it can handle this, I assume exchange can too.
>
> No, they would have nothing at all in common. SMTP is
> a fairly lightweight operation and a server just needs to
> know how to queue and retry. Exchange is a monster.
You are trying to compare sendmail to exchange?
Why don't you compare pico to word?
I'm trying to compare relatively similar things.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 00:05:20 +0200
"The Ghost In The Machine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Aaron R. Kulkis
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote
> on Tue, 14 Nov 2000 12:16:12 -0500
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >Ayende Rahien wrote:
> >>
>
> [snip for brevity]
>
> >> What Aaron & Les refuse to understand that anyone who can read
VBS/VBA/JS
> >> (some of the simplest in existance) can understand basic safety
measures.
> >
> >And tell us...how do you READ the VBS/VBA/JS file beforehand *WITHOUT*
> >executing it?
>
> In an ideal world, one would drag the icon from the
> Outlook preview pane or viewer pane (obtained when one double-clicks
> on the message line) to wherever it needs to go, maybe with
> the "[+]" icon indicating a copy. Sadly, this doesn't work.
> One has to:
>
> [1] Position the mouse over the icon,
> [2] Right-click,
> [3] Select "Save as", which happens to be the third entry
> (the first two are "Open" and "Print"),
> [4] Futz with the file requester. which is not the standard
> one but is the Office-specific one.
>
> To expect a rank novice to know this may not be horribly reasonable,
If it's VBS file, it should also have a edit command there.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Uptime -- where is NT?
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 00:15:04 +0200
"Giuliano Colla" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Stuart Fox wrote:
> > uptime.exe
> >
>
> I wasn't aware of its existence on the NT box (I only had
> used it on *nix), but as soon as I read your posting, I
> tried uptime on our file server box (NT4 sp4) and on the PC
> on my desk.
> Server result:
>
> C:\>uptime
> The name specified is not registered as an
> internal or external command, operable program or batch
> file.
>
> The PC on my desk runs NT4 sp4 Italian version, so the
> message was in Italian, but the content was exactly the
> same.
>
> It appears that MS isn't so eager to have users measure
> uptime of their stuff, isn't it?
It's in the resource kit, I believe.
Anyway, it's a child's play to write something that would measure uptime.
GetTickCount() is the easiest way to do so.
I can send you a file that does that.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Subject: Re: OS stability
Date: 15 Nov 2000 04:59:06 GMT
On Wed, 15 Nov 2000 04:08:36 GMT, sfcybear wrote:
>
>
>what I think of you, your opinions, and your opinion of me:
You snipped my entire post. You tried to portray me as a windows advocate,
and in response I posted several URLs which showed that your claims
are false.
Your post is completely irrelevant to my message, which you are clearly
unable and unwilling to address. Go on, just admit it, I'm a true Linux
advocate and you're an irrelevant usenet goon.
Your attempt to smear me as someone who is not sincerely a Linux supporter
has failed because it is verifiably false.
BTW, if you don't care what I think of you, perhaps you should consider
your opinion of yourself. You can be as loud and obnoxious as you like,
but your "strength of conviction" is an obvious facade until you are willing
to post under your real name. If you don't consider yourself credible, I
doubt that anyone else will.
--
Donovan
I don't like to do this, but since you wanted to know, here's what I get
thank you letters about:
http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Font-HOWTO.html
http://www.vim.org/syntax/spec.vim
http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/linux/modeline/
http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/unix/intro.html
http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/unix/talk/
http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/unix/quickguide.html
http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/unix/grep.html
http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/unix/sed.html
http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/unix/procmail.html
http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/unix/bash-tute.html
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: 15 Nov 2000 05:01:55 GMT
On Tue, 14 Nov 2000 20:01:21 -0800, Bruce Schuck wrote:
>
>"Donovan Rebbechi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> On Tue, 14 Nov 2000 16:22:14 -0800, Bruce Schuck wrote:
>>
>> >Help.
>> >
>> >Go to the command line and type help.
>>
>> I get "bad command or filename" when I type help.
>
>Try it in Win2k. Not Linux. I think Irix supports help though.
I was referring to Win9x.
On Linux, you can run "kdehelp" from the command line, or choose help
from the main kde menu.
BTW, I don't think "man" is unintuitive for its target audience. The
people who find "man" unintuitive are not going to want to make heavy
use of the command line.
--
Donovan
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