Linux-Advocacy Digest #245, Volume #30 Wed, 15 Nov 00 02:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Les Mikesell")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Les Mikesell")
Re: OT: Could someone explain C++ phobia in Linux? (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: OT: Could someone explain C++ phobia in Linux? (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: Norton Linux ("kosh")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Les Mikesell")
Re: OT: Could someone explain C++ phobia in Linux? (Goldhammer)
Re: OT: Could someone explain C++ phobia in Linux? (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Les Mikesell")
Re: True GTK+ will eliminate Qt in next few years? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: The Sixth Sense ("Les Mikesell")
Re: The Sixth Sense ("Les Mikesell")
Re: The Sixth Sense ("Les Mikesell")
Re: Lets try serious advocacy/discussion. ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: OT: Could someone explain C++ phobia in Linux? (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: The Sixth Sense ("Les Mikesell")
Re: Spontaneously Crashing Sun Server Coverup ("Chad Myers")
Re: Of course, there is a down side... ("Chad Myers")
Re: Of course, there is a down side... ("Chad Myers")
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 05:10:02 GMT
"Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
>
> > You miss the point. I don't want a tutorial mixed with the concise
> > reference.
> > I want to see a tutorial once if at all, then I want it out of the way
so
> > I can see nothing more or less than what the options are. You don't
> > read a man page to decide what you want to do, you read it to see how.
>
> Then get the references, duh!
> It's not like they don't exist.
> If fact, Start>Help>index would bring you to what you want.
> In GUI, turial and reference are much the same things.
That's too bizarre for words.
Les Mikesell
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 05:13:39 GMT
"Sam Morris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:h%hQ5.497$Xd.12439@stones...
> > And tell us...how do you READ the VBS/VBA/JS file beforehand *WITHOUT*
> > executing it?
>
> Easy. Save the file to disk (remember, kids, that's the default option)
and
> then open it in Notepad, Script Editor, MSIDE, or any other text
> viewer/editor program. Or is that too difficult for you?
And now that you have saved the file on the disk and forgotten about
it, what happens when you or someone else comes along later
and double-clicks it? It is a loaded gun - giving it your blessing
to live in the filesystem is very dangerous.
Les Mikesell
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Subject: Re: OT: Could someone explain C++ phobia in Linux?
Date: 15 Nov 2000 05:14:58 GMT
On Tue, 14 Nov 2000 22:09:34 -0500, mlw wrote:
>Goldhammer wrote:
>I have read the writings of others, and seldom do they make a good
>point. I started this thread to hear/debate opinions.
Bjarne himself says that it's not a true superset. There are some points
where the two languages differ.
For all practical purposes, one can think of it as a superset, though
one has to concede that it isn't, to keep the pedants happy.
--
Donovan
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Subject: Re: OT: Could someone explain C++ phobia in Linux?
Date: 15 Nov 2000 05:18:50 GMT
On Wed, 15 Nov 2000 02:51:07 GMT, Goldhammer wrote:
>On Tue, 14 Nov 2000 19:30:10 -0500, mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>C++, perhaps arguments of this nature can be made... Just a side
>question here: does the C++ standard contain the complex data type?
Yes. See 26.2. You might also be able to find it in the draft standards
freely available on the web.
--
Donovan
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From: "kosh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Norton Linux
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 22:10:28 +0700
In article <8usnfp$2h3$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> I tried out Midnight Commander (type: mc ) and like it. It reminds me of
> DOS days before Windoze, and I was wondering if there was a package like
> Norton available for Linux. I have been trying e2fsck too, and would
> like to have something that checks my drives, analyzes my hardware and
> partitions, and makes sure my system is running o.k. It would be nice to
> have both CLI and screens like mc with ASCII (ANSI?) graphics. A dancing
> "wizard" might help setup immensely.
>
> Come to think of it, there is no technological reason to my knowledge
> why it couldn't analyze your files in the same way. Wouldn't it be nice
> to have a program that checks your w.p. docs, to make sure your thoughts
> were healthy and mentally o.k.?
>
>
What you want doesn't really have any place in unix machines as far as
checking fs integrity. Especially if you use a system like reiserfs.
Running e2fsck every so often is a waste of time. If the system was not
unmounted cleanly it will run if not it won't. I think once you use linux
longer or really any unix for that matter you will grow to dislike how
much fs maintenance windows really needs to continue working. That is also
why you don't really see fs defrag tools for unixes. Their fs while they
do fragment lightly don't seem to impact performance much if at all. Some
of the fs seem to even unfragment over time depending on the amount of
free space on the drive. I think you will learn to leave these utilities
behind you and just not worry about the os that much any more. Like
anything else it does have a learning curve but you only have to learn it
once and I have found it well worth the time it took to learn it.
Once you understand how unixes work you will really appreciate them. The
job of the OS is to allow you to get your work done without it
interfering. After using it for a while and understanding its operation at
times it is almost like the OS is not really there because everything just
works always. You don't turn your computer off and don't worry about it
crashing because it doesn't. The only time you reboot it is to add new
hardware or upgrade a kernel and I hear they are working on fixing the
kernel issue and some hardware already can be hot swapped. It is a
different world and while it still needs it rough edges filed off the core
is good.
I hope this helped to answer your questions. Kosh
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 05:21:08 GMT
"Bruce Schuck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8FkQ5.126721$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
>
> > > You don't and generally shouldn't if you want to be able to work
> > > with a variety of machines and different versions of things. You
> > > just need to know how to quickly find the details for the things
> > > you may never have seen before. On unix-like boxes, the man
> > > pages usually provide exactly that. On of the reasons I dislike
> > > windows is that there is no equivalent,
>
> Help.
>
> Go to the command line and type help.
>
> From the list of commands type "help [command]" or [command] /? for
further
> help.
>
> Which is more intuitive? Man? or Help?
They are very different things. Help is for someone who is confused.
Manual pages are for someone who knows what he is looking for.
> > Precisely
>
> Les and Aaron are amazingly ignorant.
An ignorant person and a reference manual can accomplish much
more than a person who thinks he already knows everything.
Les Mikesell
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Goldhammer)
Subject: Re: OT: Could someone explain C++ phobia in Linux?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 05:25:21 GMT
On 15 Nov 2000 05:18:50 GMT, Donovan Rebbechi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Wed, 15 Nov 2000 02:51:07 GMT, Goldhammer wrote:
>>Just a side
>>question here: does the C++ standard contain the complex data type?
>
>Yes. See 26.2. You might also be able to find it in the draft standards
>freely available on the web.
Thanks.
--
Don't think you are. Know you are.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Subject: Re: OT: Could someone explain C++ phobia in Linux?
Date: 15 Nov 2000 05:29:20 GMT
On Wed, 15 Nov 2000 02:05:28 GMT, Russ Lyttle wrote:
Well, there you go mlw. This is type of luddite technophobe response shows
that you were right !
>mlw wrote:
>Easy. It isn't an emotional dislike. C++ just isn't suitable for the
>job.
C++ is more suitable than C for any job that requires OO.
> C++ is slower than C by an order of magnitude
Verifiably false. C code is not going to run slower just because you
compile it with a C++ compiler. And replacing virtual function dispatch
with switch statements isn't going to make them any faster.
> (almost as slow as >Java).
Hahahahaa ... laughably false. I wonder how my C++ color selection
widget would perform in java ...
> It is difficult to manage any sizable project in C++. Multiple
How so ?
>inheritance and friend functions are just two reasons.
Not very good reasons. Friends are usually only used to deal with semantic
problems with operator overloading. The C++ approach of allowing friends
is certainly more robust than the C approach of exposing everything.
Inheritence (especially multiple inheritence) is certainly no easier to
do in C than it is in C++.
Sure, you can criticise polymorphism, but if your project doesn't
need polymorphism, you don't need to do use it in C++ just like
you don't need to do it in C.
But in the instances where you do need polymorphism, well it's a hell
of a lot less painful in C++ than it is in C.
> C++ is almost
>impossible to maintain. C++ has all the weakness of C and none of its
>advantages.
Built in support for OO. That is an advantage. Take a look at C code that
tries to implement inheritence and then look me in the eye and tell me
it's not an advantage.
Built in support for generic programming. Try implementing a decent linked
list data type in C, without using macros or pointer casts.
> I can think of any number of alternatives to both C and C++.
>But C does have the history behind it.
How many of those alternatives are object oriented and standardised ?
--
Donovan
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 05:36:39 GMT
"Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
>
> > You don't and generally shouldn't if you want to be able to work
> > with a variety of machines and different versions of things. You
> > just need to know how to quickly find the details for the things
> > you may never have seen before. On unix-like boxes, the man
> > pages usually provide exactly that. On of the reasons I dislike
> > windows is that there is no equivalent, so for windows machines
> > you are probably right that you do have to learn a lot of stuff before
> > doing anything.
>
> Very big & complete help system is not enough?
No, you can't see the trees for the forest.
> Please point me to something that you can quickly find in man pages that
you
> can't find in window's system (equilent, of course) just about as quickly.
Simple things you do often enough to not want to read a book to find
but not often enough to memorize. What's the option to 'diff' to tell
it to ignore whitespace? Does the version of grep on this machine
use -R for recursion? Does this machine's 'tail' use the -r option
to display a file backwards or do you use the 'tac' command instead?
Les Mikesell
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: True GTK+ will eliminate Qt in next few years?
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.unix.solaris
Date: 14 Nov 2000 23:34:00 -0600
In comp.os.linux.advocacy mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have looked at both gtk and qt, I am amazed that gtk is not ridiculed
> more.
> I wouldn't put one minute's worth of code towards the GTK. QT/KDE is
> better.
I think it doesn't matter how good or bad the API is. It's the finished
product that really matters. Just think - Motif and GTk may be "horrible" to
you, but programmers still managed to code some nice apps with it. Hell,
look at Windows' API. Don't tell me the Motif or GTk APIs could be any worse
than the Windows API and/or MFC. You have to wonder how Windows programmers
can stand working with that. With unix/X11, at least you have a choice as to
which API/toolkit you want to work with.
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Sixth Sense
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 06:03:30 GMT
"Bruce Schuck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:1RdQ5.126631$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> >
> > If the filesystem had general purpose links and symlinks as unix
> > has had for eons, you wouldn't need the limited-function concept
> > of shortcuts.
>
> Limited function? Shortcuts are great!
If you don't know any better. How do you make a shortcut to
a directory. Symlinks work just fine for this.
> > No, that's the point of making the script able to invoke it's
interpreter
> > with the command line flags it needs.
>
> How do you find you thousands of scripts? Through ls right? Archaic.
Why would I want to find them? That's the job of the system and
the PATH variable. They are used as components of each other
so looking at them is about as useful as seeing all the com objects
in the system at once.
> > Downright handy. And any time the typing becomes cumbersome you
> > just write a higher level script to invoke the frequently used
> > combinations with a single command.
>
> When typing gets cumbersome you type more. Yuck. Old fashioned. I can't
see
> this catching on for normal desktop users.
No, you are able to avoid repetition to any extent you want and often
fully automate it by scheduling the job to run under cron at specified
times. . Unlike the GUI where you have to repeat the same motions
over and over again with no way to describe what you are doing to
automate it.
> > > Great feature. Doesn't Linux have that one? Pity.
> >
> > Programs are typically installed for all users.
>
> For anyone? Even people you don't want using them? Yuck.
Your assumptions are wrong as usual. Virtually everything in unix
is accessed through a name in file system where you have the
standard usr/group/other access control.
> > > How do you list them and find them? ls ? Slow and archaic. How do you
> > group
> > > them logically by project or function and store them a different way?
> >
> > Why would I ever want to see them?
>
> You've memorized the names of every script? How many do you have? 5?
A typical unix box might have 3 or 4 thousand executables of various types
in the standard PATH, and you might have scripts combining them in
the ways that match whatever you do - a few hundred anyway. They
are the sort of thing that you re-use forever. Do you really want to
see all those names at once?
> > There is nothing inherently
> > 'visible' about a program or useful about seeing them. Park them
> > off in your PATH and execute them as desired.
>
> How many script names have you memorized?
I don't memorize them before needing them. After using them I'll
remember for a while.
> Or do you just type in scriptnames until you find the one you want and
hope
> the previous ones don't do anything bad?
Usually I write what I need if I don't already have it. But I keep them
in directories related to the work they do.
> > > Sounds positively archaic.
> >
> > I don't think so. It maps very well to the
> > way we think and type.
>
> A minority. Thats why Unix never made it to the desktop either.
Are you really saying you don't think people can type
what they think? I suppose that would explain the lack
of good scripts on TV, but I don't think it is true.
Les Mikesell
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Sixth Sense
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 06:13:43 GMT
"." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > ILOVEYOU has nothing whatsoever to do with either a) IE or b) HTML-mail.
>
> My mistake, I don't know the specifics of ILOVEYOU as I never encountered
> it. I assumed it operated on the same bugs that so many other virii have
> taken advantage of. So replace ILOVEYOU with the virus of your choice
> that IS related to the above problems, and the point is still valid.
>
> Is ILOVEYOU another one of the fireworks/south park attachment clones
> instead? If it's an attachment the user has to run manually, it's not a
> virus...
Yes, technically it is a trojan that easily spread due to outlook hiding
what it really contained and the fact that 'open' means 'execute'.
It was named something like ILOVEYOU.TXT.vbs which outlook
truncated, and of course most people have never seen the vbs icon
and expect 'open' in an application like mail to do what it does in
other applications: load the data in and display it.
Les Mikesell
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: The Sixth Sense
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 06:18:02 GMT
"Bruce Schuck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:_LdQ5.126629$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > > >
> > > > Isn't it still impossible to completely turn off active-x in IE?
> > >
> > > Of course it's possible. And easy. And you can turn it on and off for
> > > trusted/untrusted sites so you can leave it on for internal corporate
> > sites
> > > and turn it off for all others.
> >
> > Has this been fixed?
> > http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0%2C4586%2C2322425%2C00.html
> >
> > and is the problem mentioned here about anyone being able
> > to redistribute a buggy applet signed by Microsoft true?
> >
http://archives.indenial.com/hypermail/ntbugtraq/1999/March1999/0057.html
>
> Sure. But as I said, scripting can be turned off for unknown sites.
Careful there - as usual you are putting too much trust in the wrong place.
That last one is a buggy applet actually distributed and signed by
Microsoft.
Is Microsoft an 'unknown' site for you? You can fix this bug, but anyone
else
can send it back to you and if you trust Microsoft it will open the hole
again.
Les Mikesell
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Lets try serious advocacy/discussion.
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 01:11:49 -0500
Tore Lund wrote:
>
> Les Mikesell wrote:
> >
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > >>
> > > >You buy a larger hard disk an want to copy your existing setup
> > > >over to it. How do you do it? With Linux you would connect
> > > >it up, 'cp -a' all your partitions to their new destinations, swap
> > drives,
> > > >boot with a floppy and run lilo to be back in business. Cloning
> > > >an existing setup to a new machine is equally trivial.
> > >
> > > Assuming you know how to do all of that under Linux. I don't.
> >
> > I suspect you do just so you could point out any flaw you might find.
> > Let's see: you spell 'cp -a' c, p, space, dash, a, then it takes a
> > source directory and a destination directory. Too hard yet?
> >
> > > Under
> > > Windows best thing would be install new disk with the software that
> > > comes with it (partitioning program) and re-install from the image CD
> > > included with the machine.
> >
> > Then it could take weeks to install all your software on top of that.
>
> This is completely trivial to do under Windows 95/98 (not sure about
> Win2K). You have your old disk in C: and a new, formatted disk in D:.
> Make sure all files are visible in Windows Explorer, then copy and paste
> everything EXCEPT c:\windows\win386.swp to the new disk. That's it.
> You can now swap disks, move jumpers and boot again.
Wrong. Losedows provides NO facility for copying the bootsector.
>
> (Note: This is a VERY brief description for people who understand what
> they are doing. But it really is that simple...)
> --
> Tore Lund <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Subject: Re: OT: Could someone explain C++ phobia in Linux?
Date: 15 Nov 2000 06:22:08 GMT
On Wed, 15 Nov 2000 01:47:20 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>Not every programmer is an applications programmer. I took the classes,
>I bought the books, but I just haven't had a project yet where C++ seems
>to offer any advantages over ANSI C for the type of work I do.
I'd agree that C makes perfect sense for some projects.
C++ *does* have some advantages over C even for procedural programming
-- better string handling, pass-by-reference, type-safe IO, vectors
instead of pointer-arrays. No need for pointers unless you need polymorphism.
( In C, you need to use malloc() and free() if you want resizable lists,
or if you want to copy strings without placing hard limits on their length)
IMO the point where C++ has a substantial advantage is precisely the point at
which you need to use a lot of generic programming constructs or you
need OO code (OO here requires polymorphism, not just classes).
--
Donovan
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: The Sixth Sense
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 06:22:36 GMT
"Bruce Schuck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:wVdQ5.126634$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> >
> >
> > Well, MS underwent a big effort to undermine this joke,
> > blackmailing OEM's and playing other nasty tricks.
> > Can you tell why?
>
> Microsft gave away IE because Netscape gave their product away for free
you
> twit.
Why should that be a problem for anyone, much less Microsoft with
all their other products? Why should it bother them to see someone
succeed with a cross-platform product that actually followed
standards?
Les Mikesell
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: Spontaneously Crashing Sun Server Coverup
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 03:00:04 GMT
"crystalnight heavy industries" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:WskQ5.1582$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:l4KO5.2523$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:g8cfu8.dee.ln@gd2zzx...
> > > In article <r_zO5.124941$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > > "Bruce Schuck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > news:iLyO5.15187$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > >>
> > > >> "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>
> > > >> Yes, a large Sun box crashing is one of those 'man bites dog' stories
> > > >> that makes the news.
> > > Your ignorance is becoming tiresome. Bad design of what? The h/w? Sun's
> > > enterprise systems are rock solid.
> >
> > Not according to the thousands of Sun hardware customers who suffered
> > spontaneous reboots of their systems due to a design flaw and were forced
> > to keep quiet under an NDA they had to sign with Sun which prevented them
> > from talking about it. What else does Sun have to hide that they're
> preventing
> > everyone else from knowing?
> >
> > > Solaris? It may not have all the frills that come with Linux (although
> > > they are seeing the light) but Solaris is as solid and secure (if you
> > > know what you are doing) as you can get.
> >
> > As you can get? Not quite.
> >
> > It's slow, clunky, behind on the times and technology, only runs on Sun's
> > flawed hardware. Well, there is an x86 port, but it's a joke.
>
> HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!
>
> ...man that's funny! let me get a hanky, i think i busted a gut.
>
> you just go ahead and keep telling yourself all this chad.
> anyone--ANYone--who has worked in heterogenous shops (i.e. unix and NT
> together) knows goddamn good and well which technologies are "behind the
> times".
>
> i worked with an NT snob at my last gig... that is the saddest sight in the
> world. used to be, they were tolerable because they "knew" they were right,
> so they didn't bother to get all huffy. since linux and unix in general
> started gaining more market share, they are becoming bitter, and a pain in
> the ass to be around.
>
> the unix guys at your job must *love* you, chad.
Do you have anything substative to say, or are you content to embarass
yourself as a bumbling idiot?
Have you seen Windows 2000? Win2K is most certainly behind the times,
however, Slowaris is, for the most part. Unless you're willing to
spend millions of dollars, you're unlikely to get any amount of
respectable performance from Slowaris and SPARC-based hardware.
OTOH, for a few hundred thousand, you could have a world-class
performance system with Windows 2000 and clustering.
-Chad
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Of course, there is a down side...
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 03:08:30 GMT
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On 14 Nov 2000 12:49:22 -0600, "Hoot Owl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >
>
> >AND, even if a divine miracle occured (or you soldered the cmos battery to
> >something else for some unknown reason) ... um, change the $1.19 battery? I
> >really can't believe how broke linux users are... sad...
>
>
> The Linonuts are not broke, they are just cheap.
Please. The politically correct term is "Penguinistas". They have worked
very hard to earn this title, please do not strip them of it.
-C
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Of course, there is a down side...
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 03:11:12 GMT
"Gary Hallock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Ayende Rahien wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > If I want a quick & dirty text editor, notepad is my choice.
>
> Not on Linux. So why bother with running notepad under wine?
>
> >
> > And in case you didn't notice, notepad is a windows tool.
> > It's apperantly very complex one, WINE hasn't been able to make it word
> > correctly.
>
> Wrong. I just tried notepad under wine and it works fine. Have you?
Go to file -> print
What happens?
-Chad
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