Linux-Advocacy Digest #352, Volume #30 Tue, 21 Nov 00 21:13:05 EST
Contents:
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Christopher Smith")
Re: OT: Could someone explain C++ phobia in Linux? (mlw)
Re: Uptime -- where is NT? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: The Non Sense: people who are clueless about the WindowsNT ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: The Sixth Sense (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Of course, there is a down side... ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Uptime -- where is NT? ("Les Mikesell")
Re: I have had it up to *here* with Linux ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: The Sixth Sense (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: The Sixth Sense ("Les Mikesell")
Re: Linux for nitwits (Bob Hauck)
Re: I have had it up to *here* with Linux ("Keldon Warlord")
Re: Another happy Linux user (Glitch)
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From: "Christopher Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 11:16:02 +1000
"Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:CD2S5.22592$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "Christopher Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:8vaa2f$a2j$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > > >
> > > > Any Unix with #!/bin/<shell> in a text file and the file set to
> > > executable
> > > > has essentially done this.
> > >
> > > Note that there is exactly zero chance that this will be the case for
> > > an email attachment, and it still isn't the case when you save to a
> > > file from the mailer.
> >
> > Note also that there are less safeguards for saving attachments in *nix
> > mailers and a quick one-line instruction will soon rectify the lack of
+x.
>
> But that one line has to come explicitly from the user in question.
As does the command to open an attachment.
> It is
> not hidden behind a disguised meaning of 'open' or automatically
> associated with something controlled by an unknown sender.
The meangin of open is not disguised, it behaves identically to "open"
anywhere else in the GUI. Neither is the association controlled by the
sender.
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From: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: OT: Could someone explain C++ phobia in Linux?
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 20:20:30 -0500
Russ Lyttle wrote:
>
> mlw wrote:
> >
> > Russ Lyttle wrote:
> > >
> > > mlw wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Russ Lyttle wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Andy Newman wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > mlw wrote:
> > > > > > >Show me, for instance, some sort of object oriented technique in C that
> > > > > > >can't be written better in C++.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There very likely isn't one as C++ directly supports the programming
> > > > > > constructs whereas C only allows their implementation (and with enough
> > > > > > discipline, adherence to convention and some macros to hide things you
> > > > > > can make it work reasonably well but it's no replacement for direct
>support).
> > > > >
> > > > > What you say is true and correct. The only reason for using OOP in C is
> > > > > to gain some of the benefits of OOP without the penalties of C++.
> > > >
> > > > You keep saying this, but have failed to show a single one.
> > > >
> > > > >You
> > > > > trade programming ease for runtime speed/size.
> > > >
> > > > Show me one instance where an OOP design in C would take up less memory
> > > > than in C.
> > > >
> > > Didn't I just give you one? Wasn't your only response to propose an
> > > non-oop C as C++ alternative?
> >
> > No, you gave me an OOP (a bad one) example compared to a procedural C
> > example. When equivilents are compared, C++ wins.
> >
> So? Want to compare procedural C++ with procedural C? OOP with
> procedural? If the program is to be procedural why use C++ at all? The
> fact is that, in general, procedural languages/designs produce faster
> tighter code than OOP languages/designs. There are advantages to OOP.
> Run time speed and size aren't included.
At last we can pull this thread back to the original premise:
C++ is not strictly an OO language, it is a super set of C with a rich
set of features which facilitate OO design.
The whole point is that procedural code can be written just as easily in
C++ as in C, but the big win are the features of C++ which are not part
of C.
A procedural approach can be used with C++, just as in C, but "inline"
are officially part of the language and variables can be declared
anywhere in the scope of the brackets. C++ offers better type checking
and function overloading and a lot of features that are compile time
based. Code compiled as C++ code has NO degradation than if it were
compiled as C code, but can be more efficient because the compiler is
smarter.
If you want to write OOP software, which, if designed correctly, can be
more efficient and easier to maintain than OO C code, C++ is the only
way to go.
--
http://www.mohawksoft.com
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Uptime -- where is NT?
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 20:27:56 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> sfcybear writes:
>
> >>> That still leaves the FACT that NT uptime clocks are only acurate
> >>> for 49.7 days while Unix clocks are 10 times more acurate than that.
> >>> remaining accurate for 497 days.
>
> >> You're confusing range with accuracy. Both clocks could be equally
> >> accurate. Range usually comes at the expense of precision. That is,
> >> the same number of bits can provide a greater range if the precision
> >> is reduced.
>
> > So? Does it change anything?
>
> Yes. It changes your claim that it's a "fact" than UNIX clocks are
> 10 times more accurate than that.
>
> > NT uptime clock croaks at 49 days
>
> Irrelevant, given that the issue I was addressing was the one of
> the alleged "10 times more accurate".
What benifit is derived by gaining uptime precision to fractions
of a second, at the cost of the upper limit being 49 days rather
than 497 days?
Oh yeah..I forgot...
We're talking about NT, which can't stay up for more than 3 weeks anyways.
NEVER MIND.
>
> > even with your word games.
>
> What alleged word games?
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Non Sense: people who are clueless about the WindowsNT
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 20:29:13 -0500
Giuliano Colla wrote:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > On Sat, 18 Nov 2000 13:44:57 GMT, Giuliano Colla
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >I strongly doubt about that. If indexing or hashing is used,
> > >while REGEDIT (for a Key search) doesn't use it, and offers
> > >you the classical textual search (search up, or search
> > >down)? There's no up and down in a hash table!
> > >
> >
> > Almost every GUI interface to a database offers the option to search
> > up or down. These databases invariable allow indexing of fields.
> >
> > The option to search up or down is simply a mechanism to allow a user
> > to search for multiple occurrences of the same text or text matching a
> > given pattern. This in no way negates the use of an index or hash
> > table.
>
> If you care to give a look to the API's used for registry queries,
> you'll think otherwise. On the most optimistic case you'd need a huge
> tree of hash tables or index tables. It would be so cumbersome that I
> doubt it would be more efficient than straight textual search.
> Whenever you look into MS implementation you have the feeling of
> amateurish, incompetent design. Registry is but one more case.
Kind of like a suspension bridge built by blind men.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Sixth Sense
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 01:32:24 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Goldhammer
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Sun, 12 Nov 2000 22:58:49 GMT
<JgFP5.84353$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>On Sun, 12 Nov 2000 22:26:24 GMT,
>Les Mikesell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>>I take it that is the Microsoft's pretense of portability. Just
>>as warped as usual.
>
>People who indoctrinate themselves into Microsoft's way
>of thinking do indeed develop some very odd notions. You will
>note these yourself as you observe the logic displayed by
>some MS users.
>
>Some common trends:
>
>1. A database is a file.
Indeed; a database is a (not necessarily organized) colection
of data, nothing more or less. Things such as Oracle, Postgresql,
and Access are more properly called data retrieval systems.
But this is a bit of a nitpick.
It's not even clear that the data has to be stored in
machine-readable format! (One could think of the ballots
in Forida, for example, or an old-style card catalog for
those libraries that still have them -- most use
computers now. :-) )
>For many people who were raised
>on MS Access, this bizarre notion is so deeply ingrained
>in their mind, that no force in the universe can ever
>explain to them otherwise. If your database management
>setup doesn't let you pack everything into one big file,
>then they consider it kludged or broken, and no amount
>of argumentation can ever dissuade them.
One hopes we can catch 'em young enough. :-)
>
>2. A portable application is one which can be easily
>carried from one Windows installation to another. This
>is what Bruce had in mind when he told me that Jet is
>the right choice for "easy portability".
I do wonder about Windows being "multiplatform" (technically,
it is only if one calls NT and 9x/Me different "platforms";
both run on the same underlying processor hardware, the ix86).
(A side point: the entire sales model for Windows is based
on the "shrink-wrap" model. However, I am given to understand that
software that runs on "bigger" boxes tends to be more
customizable, to the point that, when one purchases the
software, one also gets some on-site consulting time as well;
these consultants help configure the system to the customer's
preferences.)
>
>3. An OS is something that runs on an x86. If you review
>the threads concerning >2Gb databases and also the
>threads discussing ext2, you simply cannot avoid concluding
>that some MS users have this notion deeply rooted in their
>brains.
I might add:
4. The Win/x86 is the dominant and only platform to do anything useful.
or perhaps
4. The Win/x86 is the only platform, period.
since some of these Winvocates apparently have never seen
other boxes such as Sparcs, HP PA Risc, IBM AS/400 or R6000,
or DEC's Alpha line (which we ported our application to prior
to DEC being acquired by Compaq -- and it wasn't too bad of
a box, either, although it did inherit some weirdnesses regarding
its Backspace from the VT100, but hey, nobody's perfect :-) ),
or even a pre-iMac Mac (they're cute, but apparently not all
that expandable; I wouldn't mind a dual-processor G4, though :-) ).
And then there are the "historical" boxes: PDP 11/xx, VAXen,
IBM "big iron" hardware such as the 7090 and 4341,
HP 21xx series minicomputers of various sizes,
Apollo DOMAIN 100/300/400/600/3000/4000/4500 (guess what
I worked on for years :-) ), TRS-80, the 1802-based Elf,
Apple I, Apple ][ / ][+ / ///, "Peanut" (the first Mac),
the Lisa, the Mac SE, the Mac II, Commodore's C64 and C128,
Atari 520 and 1040ST, and last but certainly
not least, the Amiga 1000/2000/3000/600/1200/4000, and even
the Amiga 3000UX which was a bit pricey and before its time,
but was most definitely Unix.
As I type this, my employer is feeding in millions of rows per day
into a multi-headed Sparc running Oracle. To even suggest
that NT/Access could handle this type of load would undoubtedly
have the experienced system integrator rolling on the floor,
or at least rolling his eyes, at such an absurd concept.
(We do use NT as frontend workstations, though. Just because
it's not big enough to handle the really gigantic loads
doesn't mean it's totally useless -- but by the same token,
I think Linux would plug in well here if we can overcome
the inertia regarding Office2000 and "ease of use" issues.)
>
>
>--
>Don't think you are. Know you are.
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Damn. I'm dated now. Does anyone else remember CDD?
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Of course, there is a down side...
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 20:36:44 -0500
mark wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Curtis wrote:
> >Les Mikesell wrote...
> >> Indeed, quite a lot of functionality has been withheld from those computer
> >> users and they don't even know what they are missing. I'll bet if they
> >> have a huge list of names in
> >> Last, First
> >> format and wanted
> >> First Last
> >> they would retype the whole thing since they don't have:
> >> :%s/\(.*\), \(.*\)/\2 \1/
> >> or any reasonable equivalent. Their loss. And it would be
> >> mine if that is all I had.
> >
> >Actually, what I do in Win2k here is fire up my TextPad, open the search
> >and replace tool, enable regex's and for the search expression:
> >^\([[:word:]]+\), \([[:word:]]+\) or
> >I could use your expression to be less precise
> >\(.*\), (.*\)
> >and the replacement expression
> >\2, \1
> >I hit 'replace all' and I'm done. If I feel I have to do this on more
> >occasions, I just create a macro to do it with one programmable shortcut.
> >
>
> Whereas I go to the pub and buy a pint with the money that I didn't give
> to Microsoft :)
>
> Mark
YAY Capitalism!
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Uptime -- where is NT?
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 01:36:51 GMT
"Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:kDBS5.9752$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >Not true. What the default html page is admin defineable. They could
> have
> > >made your default page default.htm if you had asked them to.
> >
> > Only if every other user had likewise wanted to change an NT server from
> > the default (guaranteeing, as if any more assurance was needed, that
> > something would go wrong later.) And of course, when it did fail, the
> > helpful Windroids would point out that the fault was a "stupid admin who
> > didn't know what they were doing."
>
> No. Default pages are defineable by directory, not globally.
Speaking of IIS configuration, is there any way to export the setup
from one machine to duplicate it on another, or compare the
differences between two that are supposed to be the same but
aren't? With Apache, I can just copy the httpd.conf around, diff
them, check them into cvs and diff the revisions and all of the
normal things you do for quality and revision control. I have
a pair of IIS servers that aren't quite identical. They were supposed
to be but different people set them up. How can I make them
identical and keep them that way as the setup changes? Is there
a general way to do this with windows programs other than
clicking your way through dozens of dialogs hoping you don't
miss anything?
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux,alt.linux,alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.mandrake
Subject: Re: I have had it up to *here* with Linux
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 20:37:42 -0500
spineboy wrote:
>
> Keldon Warlord wrote:
> >
> >
> > do they have something along the lines of winamp for Linux? :-)
> >
> > (hey, I'm just asking...)
>
> XMMS - very nice, many skins (can even use WinAmp skins), plugins
> www.xmms.org
Fuck Skins!
Skins are for losers who can't configure anything else.
>
> or there are a few others Freeamp, kmedia
>
> you should look in this web site - it has many applications nicely
> organized
> www.tucows.com and click on Linux and find a mirror close to you
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Sixth Sense
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 01:42:05 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, David Brown
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Mon, 13 Nov 2000 16:35:50 +0100
<8up1nu$2dr$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>
>>NT has, and always will have support for multiple platforms. Just because
>>MS doesn't ship them, doesn't mean it's not there. You are smart enough
>>to realize this, aren't you?
>
>Since MS has a total monopoly on NT (obviously), what exactly is the
>difference between "MS doesn't ship them" and "it's not there" ? There are
>older systems out there running NT on non-x86 platforms, but for all
>practical purposes (such as setting up a new system), NT is x86-only.
>
>>
>>NT has always had >2GB file support on every platform it's yet been
>>ported to:
>>
>>IA32
>>MIPS
>>PPC
>>ALPHA
>>SPARC
>
>I did not know that MS ever got NT running on a SPARC.
They got a good chunk of Windows running on Sparc/Solaris
when they ported IE. I'm not sure if that counts, and it's
far from clear that anyone even bought the product. :-)
[rest snipped]
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- insert random misquote here
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Sixth Sense
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 01:42:39 GMT
"The Ghost In The Machine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> >Actually, you don't need PcAnyWhere in order to do this.
> >You've remote administration mode in Terminal Services, which allows you
to
> >control another computer as if you were using your own.
> >I would like to know what those limitation on remote adminstration are,
as I
> >haven't been able to find anything that I can't do remotedly that I can
> >locally (aside from replacing hardware and things like that)
> >Even unix gurus agrees that you can remotedly manage windows 2000 almost
as
> >well as you can remotedly manage a unix.
>
> Finaly. :-)
Try it before you agree - and try it from a non-windows platform. I think
you'll still want VNC handy. There are command line operations to control
many more things than before but you won't find documentation and most
I've tried don't work like they should. Has anyone gotten Win2k to act as
a client to a normal ntp server?
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Subject: Re: Linux for nitwits
Reply-To: bobh{at}haucks{dot}org
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 01:43:41 GMT
On Wed, 22 Nov 2000 00:40:54 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>A "direct cable connection" is the biggest PITA I have ever dealt with wrt
>>Windows. I have yet to get 1 to work. I would rather use Linux than rely
>>on that.
>You must be a real idiot then because at least where I live the cable
>company comes and sets the entire thing up.
Go back and read the post again. They aren't talking about cable
modems.
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| To Whom You Are Speaking
-| http://www.haucks.org/
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From: "Keldon Warlord" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux,alt.linux,alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.mandrake
Subject: Re: I have had it up to *here* with Linux
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 18:45:08 -0800
"Chip" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Topaz Crow wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 19 Nov 2000 19:49:31 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >On Sun, 19 Nov 2000 11:50:49 -0500, Chas2K
> > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >>over and over to get just these reactions from you. I will build a
kill
> > >>filter for Clair the Troll as soon as this post goes out. It will
reside
> > >>along side the one for pencil-dick Rev. Kool who trolls the BSD
> > >>newgroups.
> > >>
> > >
> > >There is your first problem.
> > >
> > >" Building" a kill filter.
> > >
> > >I just killfiled you with 2 mouse clicks..
> > >
> > >Bamm...into the Bozo bin...
> > >
> > >claire
> > >
> > >Linux "The only OS you have to build as you go along".
> >
> > You seem to think this is a bad thing. Some people, like myself, like
to be
> > involved in everything my computer does. I don't like when the OS takes
control
> > and does things I don't want. Sure it may take you two mouse clicks.
And
> > Forte Agent is an awsome news reader. But the reason I like and use
linux
> > as my only OS at home is because I like that control. I like building
the
> > killfiles. I like configuring every little detail. One of the reasons
is
> > that I learn so much that way. I can do anything I want in Linux AND
Windows.
> > Can some of the anti linux people say that?
> >
> > If you don't like to do this then go ahead and use Windows. Especially
if
> > your more productive with it.
> >
> > --
> > Topaz Crow -- No replies by email, sorry.
> > Reply to alt.anonymous.messages Subject: ATTN: Topaz Crow
> > PGP/GPG: DSS: 0xBADA36EA RSA: 0x357245A1
> > Using SuSE 7.0 and Slackware 7.1
>
> I've been reading this thread and finding some of it quite humorous.
> I will agree with you on this point - If you're more productive in
winblows, then
> quit whining and use winblows. I use FreeBSD at home on 6 computers, and
here
> at work I use NT on my workstation because I pretty much have to (I am one
> of two NT network admins) and have a linux web/ftp/samba server also on
the
> network.
> The point is, use the appropriate OS for the app. If linux is not so good
at
> audio stuff - then use a differant OS for audio stuff, same with graphics
stuff
> and so on, and use Linux for what it is good for, and what you can use it
for.
> I prefer FreeBSD at home because I can tinker with it, learn the inner
workings
> and expand my computing universe, something not possible in the winblows
> environment.
> If I want to play games, winblows is the choice, not a *nix OS, for
high-tech
> graphics, I guess the choice would still be a mac, (I don't know for sure,
maybe
> someone else will).
> Just my .02 worth.
>
> --
> Chip
>
whatever newsreader you are using. IT SUCKS. I've seen this same message
three times from you already.
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Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 20:55:52 -0500
From: Glitch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Another happy Linux user
I've had to reinstall Windows just b/c it won't close a serial port in
order for a modem to use it. The error was "port already open" but
Windows was too stupid to close it for me and I didn't know how to do
it. I had to reinstall Windows in order for the modem to dial out. I've
had that problem on 2 computers and almost at the same point in time.
Currently on the machine I'm using now I've noticed that Windows has
added another modem to my configuration (same as what was already in
there, just numbered modem#1 and modem#2). Why it added another modem
by itself is beyond me. I also would like to know why (windows98) can't
close my wave device so I can record audio with my ATI card or with
VirtualDub. As soon as I use Windows Media Player or the TV tuner
portion of my video card and close them down Windows won't close the
wave input device which means anything that I want to use to capture
audio with that port won't be able to do it b/c Windows won't shut my
programs down properly, or at least the ports those programs use. And
no, it can't be the ATI card b/c, like I said, Windows Media Player does
the same thing.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> The OS that runs the internet, but makes it such a PITA to connect to
> it. Doesn't make any sense to me, but here is another satisfied Linux
> soul:
>
> *************************************************************************
>
> At midnight last night, I was finally able to dial out of my box under
> Linux. What I did was:
> 1: Record what resources and IRQs Linux was assigning
> 2: In BIOS, set Onboard Port 1 to the first of these. (02f8, 3)
> Disable Onboard Port 2.
> 3: On reboot, the machine assigned a second port by itself (03e8, 4)
> 4: Reinstall Mandrake.
>
> It worked!
>
> From what I saw, Mandrake tends to want to install to these resources,
> regardless of what your BIOS is prepared to support. And if your
> machine provides 3 ports, it will assign resources to all of them,
> even
> if they conflict.
>
> Don't know whether this will help anyone or not, hope it does!
>
> The Herring
>
> PS: Thanks to those who helped me!
>
> **********************************************
>
> Yea, yea, I know, it's the machine, it's the user, it's that
> particular distribution, Linux is the kernel, it worked in 5 minutes
> for me, he should have read xxxxx amd so forth.
>
> Why is it that such simple things like dialing up to the internet
> become missions of mercy when trying to run Linsux?
>
> claire
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