Linux-Advocacy Digest #357, Volume #30 Tue, 21 Nov 00 23:13:02 EST
Contents:
Re: It's even worse than I thought. ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: It's even worse than I thought. ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: It's even worse than I thought. ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: It's even worse than I thought. ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Uptime -- where is NT? (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: The real question about Claire Lynn (Clamchu)
Re: Uptime -- where is NT? (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: wahoo! I'm running now (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: What does KDE do after all (The Ghost In The Machine)
Microsoft Song (sung to the turn, oh what a wonderful world) a oldie but a goodie
(kiwiunixman)
Re: What I dont like about Linux (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Windows vs. everybody-else in the desktop/server markets. (Long!) (The Ghost In
The Machine)
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: It's even worse than I thought.
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 22:07:43 -0500
Gary Hallock wrote:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 19 Nov 2000 01:32:09 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > >Excellent post Charlie. Couldn't say it any better. Claire's
> > >remarks about her/his trip to CompUSA was interesting. Do you
> > >really hear all that just walking around a store? Those were
> > >the sort of anecdotes only a person working in the store would
> > >get. Yup, Claire must be a sales person in a computer store
> > >somewhere. Probably shows a fair amount of cleavage to distract
> > >the customer from what they are buying. :-)
> >
> > Actually yes you do, especially when you are forced to use CompUSA's
> > idiotic method of purchasing some items, like the hard drive I was
> > buying.
> >
> > Step one: Go to the counter where the hard drives are displayed in a
> > locked cabinet behind the counter.
> >
> > Step two: Wait for the salesperson, one of two, to finish with the
> > other two idiots (2 of the ones I mentioned in the other thread).
> >
> > Step Three: Tell him what you want and he gets some number from it and
> > writes it on a slip of paper he hands you.
> >
> > Step Four: Go to the cashier in another part of the store and wait in
> > line because she is the only one open and there are 4 people in front
> > of you.
> >
> > Step Five: Pay for the item.
> >
> > Step Six: Go back to the same counter where the hard drives are and
> > wait in line again as the two salespersons are now dealing with two
> > other clueless people.
> >
> > Step Seven: When it is finally your turn, hand the person your paid
> > receipt and he goes in the back room and gets the product and stamps
> > your receipt.
> >
> > Step Seven: Wait in line yet again as the security guard checks every
> > package against your receipt as you leave the store.
> >
> > Step Eight: Drive home like a maniac and reflect on why you generally
> > purchase these items over the net.
> >
> > Yes Roy, you can pick up quite a bit of information at CompUSA.
> >
> > claire
>
> If CompUSA is really that bad then why do you keep hanging out there and
> telling your poor stories here. I think you protest too much.
She sticks with Windows, too.
She must really like substandard performance.
>
> Gary
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: It's even worse than I thought.
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 22:08:37 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> I could care less what you believe. Try discussing the topic instead
> of making up fantasies in your mind Gary.
Try again, liar.
> claire
>
> On Sun, 19 Nov 2000 13:02:37 -0500, Gary Hallock
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> >> On Sat, 18 Nov 2000 23:28:22 -0500, Gary Hallock
> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >> >If CompUSA is really that bad then why do you keep hanging out there and
> >> >telling your poor stories here. I think you protest too much.
> >>
> >> Two reasons: They had a good sale there, and I needed something now
> >> and couldn't wait.
> >>
> >> claire
> >
> >Sorry, that just doesn't fly. You are constantly telling horror stories
> >about CompUSA and Linux. The only way you would be in a position to hear
> >all of this is if you spend much of your time there. When I go to a
> >computer store, I know what I want and am in and out in a few minutes
> >time. No chance to ease drop on other customers. Clearly, you are
> >either making all of this up or you work at CompUSA as one of a clueless
> >salesperson. Which is it?
> >
> >Gary
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: It's even worse than I thought.
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 22:13:47 -0500
Les Mikesell wrote:
>
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > On Sat, 18 Nov 2000 21:56:08 GMT, "Les Mikesell"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> > >Fortunately Linux is doing just fine in all markets without
> > >you acting as the spokesperson.
> >
> > Not on the desktop it isn't.
>
> It will. If it weren't for the issue of staying compatible with
> data stored in proprietary formats by programs that established
> their ubiquity through illegal practices, it already would be.
>
> >
> > >Do any of them have a Tivo? They are already running Linux.
> >
> > And that is certainly a perfect use for Linux. Behind the scenes so to
> > speak where it's price per performance is high and it's hardware
> > requirements are low. Also where the user is isolated to a great
> > degree from it's hostile nature..
>
> A great many users have managed to add a second disk drive without
> any problems and don't find it hostile at all.
>
> >
> > Tivo isn't exactly lighting up the world in sales.
>
> But it has its own newsgroup where you rarely see a complaint
> about anything technical. Unlike anything from Microsoft.
Imagine a world with Microsoft-cars:
6-sided wheels (recently upgraded from 4-sided wheels)
Turning on the left-turn signal activates the windshield sprayer
Dies on the highway...because the ignition system would be constantly
shuffling spark-plug wires....forcing you to get the car
towed home to restart, and start your trip all over.
>
> Les Mikesell
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: It's even worse than I thought.
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 22:14:27 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> On Sun, 19 Nov 2000 03:21:56 GMT, "Les Mikesell"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >It will. If it weren't for the issue of staying compatible with
> >data stored in proprietary formats by programs that established
> >their ubiquity through illegal practices, it already would be.
>
> Yawnnn.. Very old...
> It's known as competition and it leads to progress. That is why
> Windows programs are so much better than Linux ones, if you can even
Maybe in some parallel universe, but not this one.
> find a Linux program.
>
> claire
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Uptime -- where is NT?
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 03:16:12 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Erik Funkenbusch
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Tue, 21 Nov 2000 04:07:00 -0600
<ENrS5.9449$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>"sfcybear" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:8vcn0b$gr4$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Hardly Identical. NT is acurate for 49 days, Linux/Unix is accurate TEN
>> TIMES LONGER! 497 days! This is better design. When looking at the TIME
>> that Unix was designed, memory was VERY expensive (the reason that 2
>> bits were used for the year giving us Y2K), Programers did not program
>> with large variables and computers were much less reliable, 497 days was
>> a VERY reasonable number and shows a well thought out choice! When NT
>> was being designed memory prices were far lower and it was not uncommon
>> for computers to be up MUCH longer than 49 days. 49 day was a very poor
>> choice, and is an example the LACK of thought in programing that drove
>> me away from MS
>
>You are completly clueless Matt.
>
>No Unix system that I know of suffered from Y2k in the way you mention.
>Unix has never used two digits for years (digits, not bits as you claim) in
>any way except for textual printout (on screen or printer or text file).
>All date and time variables are stored internally in a "seconds from" some
>day (usually Jan 1, 1970, IIRC). The only Y2k issues Unix had were when
>dates were stored in textual form, or when they were printed or read, not
>when they were stored in binary form.
Pedant point: the tm structure (man localtime) has a tm_year structure,
which prior to 2000 was basically the last two digits of the year.
However, the documentation is very clear: tm_year = year - 1900,
which means its value is now 100. At worst, this will result in
the year '19100' being reported by programs that aren't clued in. :-)
The *real* fun will begin just after the start of the year 2038... :-)
hopefully by then we'll all be using 64-bit time_t values.
Or maybe we'll all be smart and use the VMS quadword (long long) value,
which, IIRC, started at Nov 17, 1858 midnight UTC, incremented every
microsecond, and won't have a problem with time for about
290,979 years... :-)
By that time we'll probably have figured out how to create a new
universe by simply thinking about it, or something. :-)
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Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 22:16:43 -0500
From: Clamchu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The real question about Claire Lynn
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> But the real question is, does she have a big set of tits?
I believe that would be Amy.
Clamchu
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Uptime -- where is NT?
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 03:27:44 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Jacques Guy
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Tue, 14 Nov 2000 09:39:04 +0000
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>
>> http://uptime.netcraft.com/hammer/accuracy.html#whichos
>
>> "Additionally, NT4 uptimes cycle back to zero after 49.7 days, and give
>> timestamps exactly as if the machine had been rebooted at this precise
>> point"
>
>Not to worry, only a clerical mistake. Should be 29.52 days, a lunar
>month, but they got pi wrong: 4.1316 instead of 3.1416 (approx), hence
>the 49.7 days. Hey, everyone can make mistakes! (How did they get a
>49.7-day lunar month from pi = 4.1316? Search me. Probably another
>clerical mistake. Or two. Or three. Don't worry. A service pack will fix
>it in the more or less distant future, if you live that long)
Oh broooother. :-)
No, the truth is far more prosaic; 2^32 milliseconds = 49.7 days. :-)
If one wants real pedantry, it's 49 days, 17 hours, 2 minutes,
47 seconds, 296 milliseconds.
Easily verifiable by a pocket calculator and too much free time. :-)
Evidently the Unix uptime is in centiseconds: 2^32 centiseconds
= 497 days, 2 hours, 27 minutes, 52 seconds, 96 centiseconds.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Subject: Re: wahoo! I'm running now
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 03:33:53 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Gary Hallock
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Sun, 19 Nov 2000 23:15:59 -0500
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> Believe what you wish.
>>
>> claire
>
>Everyone can get the menus to work but you. Doesn't that tell you something?
Not me, but then it might be a usage issue. Erik F. mentioned
that a way he likes to work is to:
1. Select text on document #1.
2. Edit > Copy.
3. Select text on document #2.
4. Edit > Paste.
Presto: instant replacement, when using Windows. Alas, this doesn't
work for my version of kwrite. But that may be because I'm using
RedHat 6.2, and whatever version of KDE came with that.
This is obviously not a major flaw, but it does illustrate that
things break sometimes -- even under Linux. :-)
>
>Gary
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Subject: Re: What does KDE do after all
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 03:40:05 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, sfcybear
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Sat, 11 Nov 2000 07:11:03 GMT
<8uire5$g1f$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>Hey, this is NOT the MS world were you stuck with one desktop. If you
>don't like KDE, DON'T USE IT! Use one of the other desktops! Geees.
Or don't use a desktop at all. In my case, I use fvwm. It's an
older-style window manager (though not as old as twm) that
works reasonably well. I think it predates the "desktop" buzzword. :-)
But I surmise there are some that don't use X at all, switching
between consoles with ALT-Fn. I do that occasionally as well.
It's nice to have options. :-) (And this is without additional
software, even.)
>
>Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
>Before you buy.
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From: kiwiunixman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Microsoft Song (sung to the turn, oh what a wonderful world) a oldie but a
goodie
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 16:36:27 +1300
Reposted from Slashdot
Sung to the tune of (What a) Wonderful world:
(What a) Microsoft World
========================
Don't know much about my CPU,
Don't know what a DIMM's supposed to do,
Don't know what a hard disk is for,
Don't know how to overclock my core;
But I do know that Microsoft rules,
'cuz that's what they taught us all in school,
Oh, What a Microsoft world it must be.
Don't know why my screen is always blue,
Don't know what these damn exceptions do,
Don't know why my modem runs so slow,
What it's sending out I just don't know;
But I do know what the salesman said,
Once I save enough to finally upgrade,
What a wonderful world it will be.
What would the BOFH do?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Subject: Re: What I dont like about Linux
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 03:57:23 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, JoeX1029
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on 14 Nov 2000 20:54:08 GMT
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>> 1) Netscape
>>> The Netscape windows is *always* too tall, fixed easily.
>>> Well, there it is. Thats what i dont like.
>>
>> If you have not tested Konqueror at KDE2, then you are
>>missing the new world ... taste it and forget Netscape forever.
>>
>>
>>
>
>i dont use KDE but i might if i can get rid of NutScrape.
konqueror or kfm -w might do it for you. I'm not sure if
the secure Lynx proxy would work for these (obviously, it
works for Lynx), but it should work reasonably well. I don't
know what it's called, offhand, though. (Anyone know? :-) )
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 04:02:39 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Aaron R. Kulkis
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Mon, 13 Nov 2000 17:29:09 -0500
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>Andres Soolo wrote:
>>
>> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> [about LF vs. CR-LF as newline separator]
>> > Yes, Simon think it is quit normal for Gates to ignore a standard that
>> > had been in place for a full decade.
>> Well ... actually, MS followed there a standard. An old standard from
>> about the same era as EBCDIC's roots. The teletypes needed two separate
>> commands to scroll the paper and to move the print head back to the
>> left end of the page.
>
>Please explain the logic benefit of using EBCDIC standards
>on ASCII machines....
Who knows? dd still has EBCDIC <-> ASCII conversion capability.
I suspect someone out there is still using it, but I can't say
I've seen an awful lot of EBCDIC tapes out there lately. :-)
And yet, that doesn't mean there aren't any. "Mostly harmless." :-)
(Hell, *I've* still got an old 1/2" reel mag tape. Can I read it?
Dunno. I'd probably have to scrounge now. Even 1/4" cartridge tapes
are "weird stuff".)
[.sigsnip]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windows vs. everybody-else in the desktop/server markets. (Long!)
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 04:08:10 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, bob_more
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Sat, 11 Nov 2000 16:18:20 -0500
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stefan Ohlsson) wrote:
>> Ayende Rahien wrote:
>> >>Nothing that is reliable. The lack of reliable sources does not make the
>> >>counter reliable
>> >So when you've at tracking device installed on a lot of the webpages, in
>> >fact, it's the most installed tracking device that I'm currently aware of,
>> >you say it's invalid, and do not propuse any other way to get it?
>> >Please note that I couldn't care less about the number themselves (and said
>> >so in the original post) it's the precentage that interest me.
>> >
>> The problem is that different sites are visited by a different audience.
>> The problem is also that we, as investigators, don't have any control
>> whatsoever of what sites are used in the measurement. There is no guarantee
>> that the sample is not biased.
>> To give one example from each end; How many Linux users visit microsoft.com
>> and how many Windows users visit debian.org? How many are repeat vistors and
>> how many isn't? I maintain a website using an Amiga, and the statistics
>> for the Amiga is _severely_ biased by my checking up on the site.
>>
>> Thecounter is not totally useless though, it can give an indication or a rough
>> estimate of things.
>>
>> /Stefan
>
>
>the amiga remains a curiosity of mine. Is yours an original, or what the new
>thing is supposed to be. And is there an official "amiga.org"? or equivalent?
www.amiga.org does exist, and seems to have relevant info (i.e., it's
not for sale, under construction, etc.). It mentions something
called the AmigaOne, manufactured by Eyetech and running (apparently)
on a PPC, emulating a 680x0. Sounds interesting, admittedly. :-)
>
>Thanks
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