Linux-Advocacy Digest #554, Volume #30 Thu, 30 Nov 00 05:13:02 EST
Contents:
Re: Whistler review. ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Netscape review. (kiwiunixman)
Re: Statistic about this bigot group (Ketil Z Malde)
Re: Linux is awful (J.C.Posey)
Re: Whistler review. (kiwiunixman)
Re: Whistler review. (kiwiunixman)
Re: The Sixth Sense ("Ayende Rahien")
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 04:31:28 -0500
kiwiunixman wrote:
>
> However, it could be said that Linux is a haka operating system as it is
> a challenge to Microsoft.
>
> kiwiunixman
>
> Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
>
> > kiwiunixman wrote:
> >
> >> Or the New Zealand Version: Windows Haka
> >
> >
> > Alla versions ofa Windows is a Hacka...
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I guess the italian accent didn't come through :-(
> >
> >
> >> Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
> >>
> >>> kiwiunixman wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Is Microsoft going to release a Scottish version, Windows Bagpipes :)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Bagpiper.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> kiwiunixman
> >>>>
> >>>> Ayende Rahien wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> I've finally gotten whistler (pro, 2296, beta 1), and I'm *liking* it.
> >>>>> For those of you who doesn't know what this is, whistler is an the new OS
> >>>>> (the one that will inherit both win2k & win ME) from Microsoft, destined to
> >>>>> finally eliminated the 9x line.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Here is my biased review.
> >>>>> I'm going to limit myself to comments about the new GUI and features of the
> >>>>> OS, as this a Beta1, it's not yet appropriate to talk about performace and
> >>>>> stability yet.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Starting with the install, you stick the cd in the drive, set the BIOS to
> >>>>> boot from the CD, and you are done.
> >>>>> Strangely enough, I have the system up and running without returning to the
> >>>>> BIOS to change the settings, and it's still working.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The installation itself is pretty similar to Windows 2000, blue screen in
> >>>>> text mode, and afterward the familiar wizard style.
> >>>>> The main difference is that it's now uses the "simpler start menu" as a
> >>>>> background.
> >>>>> Installation took little longer than an hour, most of the time to format a
> >>>>> NTFS HD.
> >>>>> After the text mode, which require some little knowledge in the computer's
> >>>>> HD, the installer required very little input from the user, and did all the
> >>>>> configuration on its on.
> >>>>> The computer is win2k HCLed, btw.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> As a note:
> >>>>> For some reason, it thinks that I've multiply monitors, likely because I've
> >>>>> a TV-Out card. This doesn't seem to cause any problems whatsoever, so I
> >>>>> don't think I would bother to fiddle with it in the near future.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The new startup screen is cool, but I like the win2k one better, the win2k
> >>>>> one provide some (limited, but real) information on how much progress the OS
> >>>>> had in loading itself.
> >>>>> Whistler's startup screen provide no such information, in that, it's very
> >>>>> much like the win9x startup screens.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The system finished loading, and you get a pretty wizard like interface
> >>>>> which explained you how to use the computer (can't report much about this, I
> >>>>> quited this part when it started explaining how to you the mouse.), ask you
> >>>>> whatever you want to register at Microsoft.com, and help you setup a dial up
> >>>>> account.
> >>>>> Then you create users, You can create up to six users in this screen.
> >>>>> I don't like this way very much, all the accounts you create this way are
> >>>>> admins, with no passwords set on them, and you get *no* warning about this.
> >>>>> The user interface itself, for that matter, isn't very good comparing to NT
> >>>>> or 2000.
> >>>>> You can enter a user's name, and a picture, if you like, but that is about
> >>>>> it.
> >>>>> Accounts are created without passwords by default, another thing I don't
> >>>>> like.
> >>>>> And when you login, all the accounts on the computer are presented to you,
> >>>>> which is another mistake.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I can see the reasons behind this, of course, as the whistler I'm using is
> >>>>> supposed to go to home users, where you rarely need such security measures,
> >>>>> and there are probably ways to fix those things, which I'm currently
> >>>>> clueless about.
> >>>>> The biggest problem I've with this (all accounts being displayed) can
> >>>>> apperantly turned off quite easily (I've not tested it yet, though)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Strangely enough, by default, the desktop don't display the "My Computer"
> >>>>> and "My Documents" icon folders.
> >>>>> With those icons being probably the most important in handling windows, I'm
> >>>>> quite sure it's a bug.
> >>>>> Another bug I found is in the control panel>mouse>pointer options, where the
> >>>>> "Show location" option doesn't warp, so the "y." (at least I assume that it
> >>>>> what it's supposed to be) cannot be seen.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The icons problem was fixed by right clicking the desktop, active
> >>>>> desktop>customise my desktop, btw.
> >>>>> I also recommend to use the "Proffessional" image as background to the
> >>>>> desktop, totally cool.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The entire GUI is cool, for that matter.
> >>>>> It feel like a game or a flash applet.
> >>>>> The login screen, for example, is in pastel colors, and you've a list of
> >>>>> users, with pictures near each name, and when your mouse is over a username,
> >>>>> all the other usernames fade out.
> >>>>> If you click a username, and it has no password, it moved to the center of
> >>>>> the upper half of the screen, and it would tell you what it's doing (3 - 4
> >>>>> seconds process) while it loads your settings.
> >>>>> If it has a password, it opens (open like a drawer, really cool) a box that
> >>>>> ask you to enter the password.
> >>>>> On NT & 2000, you needed a *long* password to feel the password box, in
> >>>>> whistler, it takes very few characters for the password box to be full on
> >>>>> the black circles, so you've no indication whatever you are still typing.
> >>>>> It makes sense, I assume, as it obscure password length to onlookers, and
> >>>>> it's no worse than unix no showing what you type at all.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I like the "simpler start menu", for now, at least.
> >>>>> It would take some getting used to, I suppose. But I suspect it can also
> >>>>> drive a person crazy, very easily. One thing that I already find annoying in
> >>>>> this is that you can't logoff without using the mouse.
> >>>>> And logging off is something that I think that I'll have to do quite often
> >>>>> in Whistler, at least in the first period.
> >>>>> You can revert back to the normal windows way, of course.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Alt+Ctrl+Delete behave quite unlike what you expect.
> >>>>> In 9x, it brings you a list of running application, which allows you
> >>>>> (hopefully) to close them.
> >>>>> In NT/2000, it brings a list of options, which I find more practical than
> >>>>> the 9x one.
> >>>>> In whistler, you get "Task Manager", which NT/2000 users should be familiar
> >>>>> with.
> >>>>> You can do everything you used to be abled to do with the NT ctrl+alt+del,
> >>>>> except change your password, which must be done throught the user settings
> >>>>> in the control panel.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> One of the coolest features in in Whistler is the ability to logoff and
> >>>>> leave all your current applications working.
> >>>>> User A log on, do some work, and has to go. He log off, and go away for some
> >>>>> time. User B comes along, log on, do his stuff until he is done, and then he
> >>>>> log off.
> >>>>> User A return, he log on, all his applications are intact, for those of you
> >>>>> who are familiar with NT/2000, it's similar to computer lock.
> >>>>> Infact, in Whistler, Locking the computer is very similar to Switch user.
> >>>>> One thing, though, if you play a cd and lock the computer, and log as
> >>>>> another user, you still hear the cd. I've to test it for other sound
> >>>>> programs, but I believe it's a CD related issue.
> >>>>> You can also log off completely, thus releasing the resources that you took.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Those of you who are familiar with linux, it's similar to Alt+F#, only in
> >>>>> GUI.
> >>>>> It's a little more cumbersome to move between users, because you has to
> >>>>> logon to do so, but it's working.
> >>>>> Unfortantely, there are no virutal desktops, such as there is in Gnome &
> >>>>> KDe, which can be very useful.
> >>>>> There is something which is called "Clean up notification area" which may
> >>>>> provide similar ability. (The main reason for virtual desktop is to keep the
> >>>>> taskbar or whatever you call it from cluttering, this should solve this,
> >>>>> apperantly.)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Whistler currently comes with IE & OE 5.6, which doesn't seem to offer any
> >>>>> big improvement over IE 5.5, at least on the surface.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> To my joy, the wide languague support from 2000 remained on Whistler. (Which
> >>>>> wasn't the case on ME, which really pissed me off)
> >>>>> Trying to change different settings proved quite easy, although tooltips are
> >>>>> too widely used, IMHO. But I can understand why they are neccesary, and they
> >>>>> proved to be handy.
> >>>>> Another problem is in the task bar, in normal winodws mode, the application
> >>>>> on focus has its tab in the spacebar pressed, which make it easy to detect
> >>>>> it.
> >>>>> On Whistler (professional skin), the tabs on the applications are
> >>>>> highlighted, which takes getting used to. In the meantime, I get a lot of
> >>>>> windows minimized when I don't want them to because of this.
> >>>>> It's also hard to tell where one application tab is ending, and where
> >>>>> another begin.
> >>>>> And the scroll bars aren't a great idea either, white on pale gray is nice
> >>>>> if you bother to actually *look* at it, but who looks at a scroll bar
> >>>>> anyway? You want something that is easy for the eye to see.
> >>>>> I like the skinning idea, but at the moment, I only have two (pro &
> >>>>> classic), anybody knows whatever there are more out there?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The Explorer has been changed quite dramatically. Now you can call it
> >>>>> pretty.
> >>>>> And the help system has been given a face lift as well. The Win95 help got
> >>>>> the "Interface Hall Of Shame" award, I think that whistler's help system is
> >>>>> at least a runner up for "Interface Hall of Face" award.
> >>>>> The entire GUI is very good, although I get a chuckle out of "Comments?" on
> >>>>> top of everything.
> >>>>> I wouldn't call Windows9x/NT pretty.
> >>>>> Useful, yes, and the 2000 GUI is much nicer then those before it, but
> >>>>> Whistler *is* pretty.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> From the overall easiness of working with the system, I've to say that MS
> >>>>> took a long hard look at the iMac success, which was largely based on its
> >>>>> look and "just plug it in" slogan.
> >>>>> And decided that they can do it better.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I would refrain from commenting whatever they actually succeeded in that,
> >>>>> because it's still a beta, and because I don't have that much experiance on
> >>>>> Macs.
> >>>>> And practically none at all on an iMac or an iBook.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> However, in its current state, I have to say that Whistler is pretty awesome
> >>>>> UI-wise. I'll have to study it much more to find out if it can serve as more
> >>>>> than a toy.
> >>>>> Right now, I would rather use the beta than any win9x, including win98se.
> >>>>> It's based on NT kernel, which mean it *can't* be as bad as the 9x line.
> >>>>> At the very least, it's going to be a cool workstation.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> For now, I think that there is a good chance that Whistler will be as good
> >>>>> from win2k as win2k was from NT.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: kiwiunixman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Netscape review.
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 09:33:12 GMT
Wasn't Microsoft's original plan to "have a computer in every home
running Microsoft Software"? It seems they will goto any length to
preserve this goal.
kiwiunixman
Charlie Ebert wrote:
> In article <75kV5.30250$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Chad Myers wrote:
>
>> "mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>
>>> In article <900dqu$5pbqk$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ayende Rahien wrote:
>>>
>>>> "spicerun" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>>>> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>>>
>>>>> Ayende Rahien wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, I've tried netscape. (6, windows version. On Whistler 2296
>>>>>
>>>> machine)
>>>>
>>>>>> Just as a note, Whistler being a beta release of windows might skew the
>>>>>> results, but I don't think it would do such a degree as to nullify the
>>>>>> results that I post.
>>>>>> Even if you half the numbers I give, it's still *bad* for Netscape.
>>>>>
>>>>> I DON'T CARE!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> I will still continue to run my Netscape 4.75 Browser on Linux which has
>>>>> performed for me better than anything MS running Internet Exploder has
>>>>
>>>> ever
>>>>
>>>>> done. Once Mozilla comes out with a version with debugging turned off, I
>>>>
>>>> will
>>>>
>>>>> be switching to it as soon as it is available.
>>>>
>>>> You've the source, why don't you turn the debugging off yourself?
>>>>
>>>>> If you don't want intelligent people responding to this propaganda, keep
>>>>
>>>> it off
>>>>
>>>>> the linux and mac newsgroups.
>>>>
>>>> Netscape is a multi platform product.
>>>> Whistler is a direct competition to both Mac & Linux.
>>>
>>> No, Whistler is the product of a Monopoly. There is no
>>> competition.
>>
>> When you're done smoking, mark, would you come down and
>> join the rest of the real world?
>>
>
> The Monopoly aspects of Microsoft canning drives
> and having windows installed on all the p.c.'s
> simply can't be ignored here.
>
>> Is MS is a monopoly, then why are Mac and Linux doing so
>> well. You and your kind repeatedly tell us how wonderful
>> Linux or the MacOS is doing and how it's much better than
>> any OS MS ever put out.
>>
>
> It is also impossible to ignore all the special
> proprietary formats Microsoft has used to entrap
> the public and lock them into MS office.
>
> And what they did with MS office carry's over
> to what they did on the internet also.
>
> You know, I can't even view the MS website
> properly with Netscape as the ONLY browser
> you can see it with properly is MSIE.
>
>> What then, if MS has a monopoly on OS software, is Linux?
>> Or MacOS for that matter?
>>
>> -Chad
>>
>
> I think your confusing OS dominace with proprietary
> formats which FORCE you to buy MS products.
>
> This IS the set of arguements which convicted
> Microsoft in the first place.
>
> And you know this. You just being a dick head
> because you can.
>
> Charlie
>
>
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Subject: Re: Statistic about this bigot group
From: Ketil Z Malde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 09:35:32 GMT
"BcB" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Here is the basic code that will output the system uptime part to a
> file
[747 characters of C code]
Here's the shell equivalent:
echo `uptime | cut -c11-24` hours `uptime | cut -c26-27` minutes
:-)
-kzm
--
If I haven't seen further, it is by standing in the footprints of giants
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (J.C.Posey)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.mandrake
Subject: Re: Linux is awful
Date: 30 Nov 2000 09:39:21 +0000
"Dennis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Rozzi, my good friend, there's that thing called brain that you need to use
> in order to succeeed with Linux. Apparently you lack the above mentioned
> item, or don't know how to use it properly.
This is the kind of elitist attitude that kills Linux in the general market.
Most people are *not* programmers, and *not* computer geeks. They just
want to be able to turn the computer on and do their work.
I'm all for Linux, and am slowly making the shift to only Linux, but the more
I'm involved with it, the more I get the feeling that the Linux community is
not really interested in helping the average user. In fact, they tend to
view the average user as a 'luser' which is pathetic really.
Linux users wake up! Don't slap new users in the face.
Jake
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From: kiwiunixman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 09:43:26 GMT
Me, I proved it because I'm so fucking awsome, and so fucking great. :)
How come the fucking masses have not fucking moved to fucking Windows
fucking 2000? because it is fucking shit! Unix is growing, look at the
fucking sales figures of the fucking HP's UNIX Division, 25%, and SUN,
well their fucking sales are going right throw the fucking roof, yet
Microshaft is stuck on a fucking growth rate of 7%. I think the fucking
colour scheme is the last fucking thing on a system admins mind when
installing and maintaining a fucking
network/server......however....there will be fucking lusers who repair
and maintain their systems who claim because they do it, they get the
title system admin.
kiwiunixman
Summary:
16 "fucking" -- This must be a new fucking record! fuck, now it is 17
"Fucking" and one "fuck" :)
Ayende Rahien wrote:
> "mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
>> In article <8vvcd7$5e9qk$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ayende Rahien wrote:
>>
>>> "Charlie Ebert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>>> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>>
>>>
>>>> They said W2k was stable and it proved to NOT
>>>> be stable. They claim Whistler is stable but
>>>> they have done this before with W2k and NT
>>>> before it.
>>>
>>> Who proved it and how?
>>>
>>>
>> 7,000 packages Ayende - how many with Whistler?
>
>
> Who proved Win2k to not be stable.
> Answer the question.
>
>
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From: kiwiunixman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 09:52:07 GMT
Just a small note, SUN is opening Solaris's code very soon
kiwiunixman
J.C. wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Nov 2000 17:01:16 +0200, Ayende Rahien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> [snip]
>
>
>>> You'll notice that Solaris comes out on top of NT in all the categories in
>>
>> that link that _I_,
>>
>>> as a sysadmin, care about (resource management, product maturity,
>>
>> resiliency, clustering,
>>
>>> multiprocessing, remote management, resource managing).
>>
>> "somewhere-remotely-distantly-approaching"
>>
>> Was what you asked for.
>
>
> *J.C. shakes his head and laughs*
>
> Okay, so NT/2k _is_ "somewhere-remotely-distantly-approaching". Now, aim for just
> "remotely-distantly-approaching". Then, aim for "distantly-approaching"...
>
>
>> Do you really excpect an essay that shows that Win2k is better than Solaris
>> on *Sun*'s site?
>
>
> Makes me wonder why you bothered, then.
>
>
>> You forgot to check Development Considerations, Platform Choices,
>> Distributed Systems Management, all of which may be unimportant to *you*
>> personally, but certainly matter to those who actually buy the OS.
>
>
> Who buys the OS is irrelevant. If it's used at a workplace, the goddamn Purchasing
> Department buys it, sheesh. They're not into the computing side of things, geez.
>What's
> relevant is how well it fulfils the needs of the market the product is aimed at, and
> Solaris fulfils my (sysadmin) needs far more competently than NT/2k do.
>
>
>> Also:
>>
>> About clustering, do you know who holds the first 6 places in TPC clustered
>> tests?
>> Do you know who broke the record?
>> Unix only has two entries here, 2k has 6 (all the 6 first places) NT has 2.
>> http://www.tpc.org/new_result/tpcc_perf_results.asp?resulttype=cluster
>>
>> What about TCO?
>>
>> a.. 50 percent less overall on labor, equipment, and services
>> a.. 36 percent less per server
>> a.. 46 percent less per user
>> a.. 68 percent less on value-added software including development tools,
>> databases, applications and utilities
>>
>> http://www.microsoft.com/NTServer/nts/news/mwarv/TCOforNTS.asp
>
>
> Gee. I wonder how they arrived at these figures.
>
>
>
>>> Where Solaris gets beaten? "GUI management tools" Hahaha, I'm laughing
>>
>> already. "Application
>>
>>> availability"? I use mostly free and open-source, and that which isn't, is
>>
>> readily available.
>>
>>> Unix has no lack of server apps...
>>
>> Development Considerations, Platform Choices, Distributed Systems
>> Management, clustering, tco.
>
>
> Wow. But none of this matters to _me_. Maybe to other people it does. But I'm a
>typical Unix
> sysadmin -- I'm in good company. "Platform choices"? I don't give a shit about
>platform
> choices. I run the OS I want on the hardware I want. The only reason why 2k wins
>that category
> is the number of "vendors that sell and support Windows 2000 on their products."
>OTOH, only
> Sun markets Solaris. Doesn't change the quality of either product.
>
> "Development Considerations"? 2k has "a slight advantage" due to "its high degree of
> integration". Phooey. I don't want shit integrated with more shit. I _like_ the
>relatively
> compartmentalized nature of Unix/clones.
>
> Clustering? In all the passages containing `clustering', it was either a tie, or
>Solaris came
> up on top...
>
>
>>> And security wasn't mentioned as a separate category... hrmm... don't get
>>
>> me started...
>>
>> Does Solaris has ACL? (I'm asking, not tounting)
>
>
> No. Do I care? No. Does Solaris occupy less than 21% of the webserving market
> but count for over 60% of the breakins? No. Does NT/2k? Yes! (netcraft.com).
>
> (can I secure a Solaris box, even though ACLs aren't implemented? Yes...)
>
>
>>>>> I'll provide objective proof as soon as you can get the hands (legally)
>>>>
>> on
>>
>>>> the
>>>>
>>>>> 2k source and turn it over to me, so I can fossick through it...
>>>>
>>>> Sure you can.
>>>> All you've to do is pay a ridicously high amount of money to MS and sign
>>>
>> a
>>
>>>> draconian NDA license that basically says, if you even think about this
>>>
>> code
>>
>>>> in public, they've the right to kill you in many interesting ways.
>>>> Adminning ME, for example.
>>>
>>> So, until you get the 2k source for me, I'll have to come to my
>>
>> conclusions
>>
>>> regarding NT/2k's security/stability/whatever else by empirical
>>
>> observation...
>>
>>> (_if_ you get me the source, i'll tell you _why_ NT/2k is crashy under
>>
>> load,
>>
>>> insecure etc, but until then, I can't tell you _why_, I can only give you
>>
>> my
>>
>>> empirical observations and opinions formed thus).
>>
>> Solaris is a properity OS, isn't it?
>
>
> Educational instititions can get the source, IIRC. That's irrelevant. The point
> of the matter is that my empirical observations of Solaris _and_ BSD prove
> them to be much, much more reliable and secure than NT/2k.
>
>
> [snip]
>
>
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Sixth Sense
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 12:02:27 +0200
"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Said Ayende Rahien in alt.destroy.microsoft on Tue, 28 Nov 2000 21:03:00
>If you so wish, I can attach the code of a simple application that will do
> >> >this.
> >>
> >> A "simple application" isn't going to do it, kid.
> >
> >To assosiate multiply file types with an existing or new file type?
> >You consider this a non-simple task?
> >Wow!
> >Makes you wonder what you think is hard.
>
> You haven't the foggiest idea. How about you deliver a "simple
> application" that does *both* associate multiple extensions with an
> existing file type or a new file type, regardless of whether those
> extension are registered with another existing file type. We'll see how
> non-simple it is, eh?
It's *very* simple.
T. Max.
As in, about the level of complexity of notepad.
The application was built using VB6, therefor, you may need DLL files to run
it, VB6 required files can be downloaded from here:
ftp://ftp.microsoft.com/Softlib/MSLFILES/vbrun60.exe
The application itself can be downloaded from here:
http://www10.ewebcity.com/ayende/filetypes.zip
The application works, I would *not* use it in real life situations because
it took me only about 15 minutes to write it, and about 30 minutes total to
add the comments and minimum documentation needed.
Full source code is also supplied.
*Please* read the Readme1st.txt file and the source before running it.
I've *not* tested it to any sufficent level, you use it at *your* own risk.
The above statement does not mean that the program doesn't work, it does,
and I tried to make it a little idiot proof, but I didn't invest much time
in it, so you've been warned.
T. Max, if do you think *this* is not a simple program. what do you think is
comlex?
What is your idea of a simple program anyway, "Hello, world" ?
I would say that you don't have the foggiest idea, about how the system is
built and how to make it work, even though I've posted an explanation that
would enable you, along with knowing the registry API, to build this program
on you own.
However, since you seem to think that *this* is a non-trivial task...
Tsk. Tsk. Tsk.
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