Linux-Advocacy Digest #582, Volume #30 Fri, 1 Dec 00 02:13:02 EST
Contents:
Re: Anybody considering Linux should read this. (sfcybear)
Re: Whistler review. ("Chad C. Mulligan")
Re: Whistler review. ("Chad C. Mulligan")
Re: Whistler review. ("Chad C. Mulligan")
Re: Whistler review. ("Chad C. Mulligan")
Re: Whistler review. ("Chad C. Mulligan")
Re: Whistler review. ("Chad C. Mulligan")
Re: Whistler review. ("Chad C. Mulligan")
Re: Whistler review. ("Chad C. Mulligan")
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? ("Les Mikesell")
Re: Whistler review. ("Chad C. Mulligan")
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? ("Les Mikesell")
Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum ("Chad C.
Mulligan")
Re: Netscape review. ("Les Mikesell")
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From: sfcybear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Anybody considering Linux should read this.
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 06:31:15 GMT
Get real! that article is from 1998! A lot has changed with Linux that
makes it far easier to install and use.
In article <907cqt$fh2$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
tom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I recently came across a nice introduction to Linux at About.com ; it
> talks about what Linux is, and what it isn't. I think this should be
> required reading for anybody thinking about trying Linux. At the very
> least, it would cut down on all the people complaining because Linux
> isn't like Windows:
>
> http://linux.about.com/library/weekly/aa071698.htm
>
> Tom
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
>
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: "Chad C. Mulligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 06:41:46 GMT
"mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <900j60$60tvc$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ayende Rahien wrote:
> >
> >"J.C." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> On Tue, 28 Nov 2000 14:26:03 +0200, Ayende Rahien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >wrote:
> >> >
> >> >"Stephen Cornell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> >> "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >> >>
> >> >> > I've the OS installed for about 24 hours now.
> >> >> > How am I to test something other than look & feel in this time
span?
>
> <massive chopty>
>
Thank you for that.
> >
> >A standard is something that is published openly.
> >De facto standard is something that almost everybody use.
>
> No. There is standard, and there is proprietary.
>
> When there is a monopoly, proprietary is what almost
> everybody uses.
>
You use monopoly so much, do you work for Parker Bros.?
> Please get the language right.
>
> Mark
>
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From: "Chad C. Mulligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 06:44:16 GMT
"Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:EDqV5.92$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Tom Wilson wrote:
> > >
<trimmed>
> > > >
> > > > True.
> > >
> > > Picture Aaron, if you would, an eighteen year old college freshman.
He's
> a
> > > whiz with VB.
> > >
> > > The Assignment: A simple, text prompted, artillery game. (You know the
> type)
> > > using the above mentioned hardware and an assembler.
> > >
> > > Interesting visual, huh?
> >
> > And totally worthless.
>
> This is one of those "The journey is far more important than the
> destination" things, Aaron.
>
You shouldn't give him good lines like that he'll add them to his sig. ;^]
> The above project really drives home how a computer performs higher level
> math and basic input/output at its' lowest levels. It also pounds good
> documentation habits into you, particularly if you're an assembler novice.
>
> I HAD that particular project, myself, many moons ago except it was on a
> Z80-based machine.
>
>
> --
> Tom Wilson
> Go home Al....
> Game over, man!
>
>
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From: "Chad C. Mulligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 06:46:49 GMT
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Matthew Soltysiak wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Whatever school you're studying at....I'd transfer out of, if I were
you.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Oh it's the smart pretender again.. If i were you, I'd take more time
and stop being a
> > pretender. Ok?
>
> Do pretenders make $75/hour (including travel time) + travel expenses?
>
Yeah.. The good consultants take home $150+ including....
>
> >
> > --
> > Matthew Soltysiak
> > Comp Sci/Soft Eng
> > ICQ: 3063118
>
>
> --
> Aaron R. Kulkis
> Unix Systems Engineer
> ICQ # 3056642
>
>
> H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> you are lazy, stupid people"
>
> I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
>
> J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
>
> A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
>
> B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> direction that she doesn't like.
>
> C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
>
> D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> ...despite (C) above.
>
> E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> her behavior improves.
>
> F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
>
> G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Chad C. Mulligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 06:49:08 GMT
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Conrad Rutherford wrote:
> >
> > "Spicerun" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Conrad Rutherford wrote:
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > This frog shit beats the hell out of whale shit.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > And ALL the windows shit beats the living hell outta the dinosaur
shit
> > unix
> > > > drags itself though.
> > >
> > > How would you know?
> >
> > Because I started in computers running unix and have graduated to W2K.
>
> You sound like somebody who never ever understood unix in the first place.
>
Actually there are quite a few of us around. We started in the dark days of
terminals now we've moved Open Systems into something really versatile and
powerful, yet easy to use.
>
>
> > You might learn something if you moved up too.
> >
> > >
> > > > .. go away troll.
> > >
> > > You are the Troll in comp.os.linux.advocacy and comp.sys.mac.advocacy
> > groups.
> > > M$ doesn't own these newsgroups, so take your arrogant Wintrolling
> > attitude and
> > > BSOD yourself with it.
> >
> > Aaron is a known coma troll - I do not cross post to those groups (only
> > reply)
>
> I read cola. If you're reading it in coma, that's because YOU idiots
> keep cross-posting, you FOOL.
>
>
> --
> Aaron R. Kulkis
> Unix Systems Engineer
> ICQ # 3056642
>
>
> H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> you are lazy, stupid people"
>
> I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
>
> J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
>
> A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
>
> B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> direction that she doesn't like.
>
> C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
>
> D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> ...despite (C) above.
>
> E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> her behavior improves.
>
> F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
>
> G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Chad C. Mulligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 06:51:08 GMT
"Conrad Rutherford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:3a2694a1$0$44724$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Chad, there won't be any company left to visit after they take the road
down
> linux loosers lane... I mean, I don't know anywhere they've dropped
windows
> for linux and survived more than a fiscal year. In fact, I consider it an
> automatic lie when I hear "We replaced our windows boxes with linux" - I
> read: I snuck a copy of linux into a partition I resized with partition
> magic (nothing like it in unix world of course) and it's running my own
> private ftp site so I can leech files I download at work home.
>
Snicker, Snicker
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From: "Chad C. Mulligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 06:51:54 GMT
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Conrad Rutherford wrote:
> >
> > Chad, there won't be any company left to visit after they take the road
down
> > linux loosers lane... I mean, I don't know anywhere they've dropped
windows
> > for linux and survived more than a fiscal year. In fact, I consider it
an
> > automatic lie when I hear "We replaced our windows boxes with linux" - I
> > read: I snuck a copy of linux into a partition I resized with partition
> > magic (nothing like it in unix world of course) and it's running my own
> > private ftp site so I can leech files I download at work home.
>
> Strange. Auto suppliers around Detroit are using Linux more and more....
> so that they can more directly work with the auto manufacturers themselves
> without having to purchase $15,000 Sun workstations
>
Yeah? Which one the Germans? GM and Ford are both Microsoft shops.
> >
> > "Chad Mulligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:ikFU5.433$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >
> > > "Spicerun" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > Leonardo wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > "Spicerun" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > > Conrad Rutherford wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > how would you know?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I've been there!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > That's like saying you run Linux cause it kicks DOS 6.22's
ass.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I run Linux because it kicks MSDOS3.x, MSDOS4.x, MSDOS5.x,
MSDOS6.x,
> > > > > > MSDOS7.x, Win9x, WinME, WinNT, and Win2K's ass (all of which
I've
> > > tried at
> > > > > > one time or another....and having to use Win2k here at work --
which
> > > you
> > > > > > would have known if you had read one of my replies elsewhere in
this
> > > > > thread.
> > > > > > But then again, asking a Winvocate Troll to Read before Posting
is
> > > futile.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Then why don't you tell your boss that You Will Never Use Windows
> > Again.
> > > >
> > > > As a matter of fact, I did. That's why I'm now setting up computers
> > that
> > > we're
> > > > going to use to completely replace Windows.
> > > >
> > >
> > > What company? Just wondering, thought I bid on unscrewing your mess
after
> > > they realize what a pig in a poke you sold them.
> > >
> > > > > Looser, HAH
> > > >
> > > > Obviously, speaking for yourself. I've been winning on Linux here.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
>
>
> --
> Aaron R. Kulkis
> Unix Systems Engineer
> ICQ # 3056642
>
>
> H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> you are lazy, stupid people"
>
> I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
>
> J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
>
> A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
>
> B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> direction that she doesn't like.
>
> C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
>
> D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> ...despite (C) above.
>
> E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> her behavior improves.
>
> F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
>
> G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Chad C. Mulligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 06:53:32 GMT
"Conrad Rutherford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:3a26953b$0$44769$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
<trimmed>
> >
> > Every time I go into an interview, I tell them:
> >
> > "I will NOT take responsibility for any system which uses, or is
> > dependant upon any platform running crud produced by Microsoft."
> >
> > And yet....I keep getting contracts for more and more pay.
> >
> > Why is that?
>
> BECAUSE YOU ARE LYING!
>
> I know NO ONE in the entire world that would hire someone who is as
arrogant
> to go to an interview and TELL the hirer what they will or will not take
> responsibility for, unilaterally. Then again, companies that would hire
you
> after such a statement are probably so small and broke that we'll never
have
> heard of them.
>
> besides, you have to go on interviews...? My recruiter calls me to tell me
> who wants me next.
LOL, I was wondering why he was doing so many interviews.
>
>
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From: "Chad C. Mulligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 06:54:13 GMT
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Conrad Rutherford wrote:
> >
> > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Leonardo wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "Spicerun" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > Conrad Rutherford wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > how would you know?
> > > > >
> > > > > I've been there!
> > > > >
> > > > > > That's like saying you run Linux cause it kicks DOS 6.22's ass.
> > > > >
> > > > > I run Linux because it kicks MSDOS3.x, MSDOS4.x, MSDOS5.x,
MSDOS6.x,
> > > > > MSDOS7.x, Win9x, WinME, WinNT, and Win2K's ass (all of which I've
> > tried at
> > > > > one time or another....and having to use Win2k here at work --
which
> > you
> > > > > would have known if you had read one of my replies elsewhere in
this
> > > > thread.
> > > > > But then again, asking a Winvocate Troll to Read before Posting is
> > futile.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Then why don't you tell your boss that You Will Never Use Windows
Again.
> > > > Looser, HAH
> > >
> > > Every time I go into an interview, I tell them:
> > >
> > > "I will NOT take responsibility for any system which uses, or is
> > > dependant upon any platform running crud produced by Microsoft."
> > >
> > > And yet....I keep getting contracts for more and more pay.
> > >
> > > Why is that?
> >
> > BECAUSE YOU ARE LYING!
> >
> > I know NO ONE in the entire world that would hire someone who is as
arrogant
> > to go to an interview and TELL the hirer what they will or will not take
> > responsibility for, unilaterally. Then again, companies that would hire
you
> > after such a statement are probably so small and broke that we'll never
have
> > heard of them.
> >
> > besides, you have to go on interviews...? My recruiter calls me to tell
me
> > who wants me next.
>
> That must be why I'm pulling down over $100k / year.
No we are pulling 100K per message all in your sig. Trim it dork.
>
> --
> Aaron R. Kulkis
> Unix Systems Engineer
> ICQ # 3056642
>
>
> H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> you are lazy, stupid people"
>
> I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
>
> J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
>
> A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
>
> B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> direction that she doesn't like.
>
> C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
>
> D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> ...despite (C) above.
>
> E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> her behavior improves.
>
> F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
>
> G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 06:56:40 GMT
"Chad C. Mulligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:VzHV5.24951$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> >
> > This should only be a concern if you actually used a feature that the
> > prior version(s) could not handle. What actually happens is that even
> > a blank document using no features can't be loaded by the previous
> > version. Are the MS programmers incapable of designing a scheme
> > where new, thus unknown, attributes can be ignored? That sounds
> > pretty simple and obvious to me.
> >
>
> Huh? The quote BLANK FILE is still built to support all the current
> versions features and the old version still hadn't the prescience to be
able
> to read those attributes. If that is so simple how come WPCorp never could
> do that either. IAC, the market was always driven by new versions
> supporting old formats not the ludicrous complaint that older versions
> should support newer file types.
You put your finger on it right there. The inability of the old version
to read the new version's files has been the only thing driving the
maket for the last 5 or 6 years. Before that, a few needed features
might have still been missing.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Chad C. Mulligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 06:57:51 GMT
"J.C." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Fri, 01 Dec 2000 03:03:18 GMT, Chad C. Mulligan
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> [snip]
>
>
> >> >Who proved Win2k to not be stable.
> >> >Answer the question.
> >>
> >> Ayende, you seem not to comprehend that whether or not something is
> >`stable'
> >> is purely subjective. To you, 2k is stable because it's an un-crashy
> >_desktop_.
> >> To me, 2k is not stable because it can't stay up as a _server_ for any
> >length of
> >> time without falling over.
> >>
> >
> >There must be something wrong with the administration of those systems,
> >don't fall over.
>
> Uh huh. You're a NT/2k admin, I presume? How many hits/day do _you_ get?
>
Not that many because business runs on more than a web server. My SQL
servers are rather busy though.
>
> >> So, as I keep saying, until you get me the source (which I can peruse
and
> >point out faults to
> >> you) we will have to rely on our empirical observation and our
judgement
> >in `proving' 2k to
> >> be unstable...
> >>
> >
> >Just curious, if your implementation of an OS is falling over, how will
> >having the code help?
>
> You can see exactly _how_ it's screwed, if something's not right in the
OS,
> and can contribute changes to it. Anyway, you misunderstood the point;
when
> I said to Ayende "until you get me the source" I was referring to an
earlier
> set of posts where Ayende wanted "proof" that NT/2k was unstable. I
responded
> (above) by saying that I can't provide objective "proof" unless I have the
> source code (so until then, I'll have to rely on empirical observation to
> state that, IMO, NT/2k are `unstable'.
>
>
> > Wouldn't RTFM be more useful?
>
> Reading the manual won't do fuck all for a munted OS.
>
>
> --
> J.C.
> "The free flow of information along data highways being piped into our
> homes and offices will permit unimaginable control by a small elite..."
>
> -- 'The Thunder of Justice', pg. 264
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 07:01:16 GMT
"Chad C. Mulligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:1wHV5.24949$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> >
> > Only...they aren't your files. They are your customer's files.
> >
>
> Half rabbit. s/my files/my file formats/
>
Since there are several free office suites already and more in the works
we will soon find out if it is really necessary to break file compatibility
with every new release or if that was just a trick to drive sales of the
latest version.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Chad C. Mulligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 07:01:43 GMT
"Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:Mp1V5.25849$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "Chad C. Mulligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:nt%U5.18889$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > I never went the 3Bx route, my first server was a 6386 with UNIX on it.
> The
> > proprietary AT&T protocol was a tweaked OEM version of LANManager just
> like
> > 3Com's network was at the time.
>
> The earlier version had a whole different 'feeling', although you couldn't
> tell much difference from the client side. I had the impression that it
> was derived from the IBM PC-NET family that pre-dated LANMan and
> I thought it was better than anything Microsoft was capable of at the
> time (this was before windows-anything). I wonder who really did
> the original netbios design work.
PC-Net was V1 of LanMan written by MS under contract to IBM. It was an IBM
design implemented by MS.
>
> > > And by that time TCP was added besides OSI and everything but
> > > email could use either. This allowed a fairly smooth switch to
> > > TCP on the client side.
> > >
> >
> > Yeah it was a great little system. My $10K, 20MHz 80386 Server with 4MB
> RAM
> > and a whopping 300MB ESDI disk happily supported 100+ users for about
> three
> > years, even loading software like Lotus, WordPerfect and dBase from the
> > network.
>
> I was doing that with the 3B2's several years before the 386 came out -
and
> modem communications with offices in every state. One of the boxes had
> about 40 serial lines driving printers, modems, reading a couple of wire
> services, and some other odd things. The processor was about the speed
> of a '286 but it handled context switching pretty well and without the
> overhead of windows or a GUI it all worked pretty well.
>
> Les Mikesell
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Netscape review.
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 07:04:32 GMT
"Chad C. Mulligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:mSDV5.24836$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > >
> > > You know, I can't even view the MS website
> > > properly with Netscape as the ONLY browser
> > > you can see it with properly is MSIE.
> >
> > The funny part is that I bet they don't even know
> > that. They probably just used the Microsoft tools
> > they sell everyone else that claim to follow standards
> > but in fact don't interoperate correctly with anything
> > else. Perhaps they have even deceived themselves.
> >
>
> You'd like that eh? Too bad it just ain't true.
>
You mean they made it broken on purpose? Why?
Les Mikesell
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