Linux-Advocacy Digest #586, Volume #30 Fri, 1 Dec 00 09:13:06 EST
Contents:
Re: Comparing Linux (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: Whistler review. (Ketil Z Malde)
Re: Whistler review. (Ketil Z Malde)
Re: Goodwin Acknowledges he's an idiot. (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Comparing Linux ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: The Sixth Sense (Giuliano Colla)
Re: linux on a 486 (DeAnn)
Re: Windows review ("SuperGumby")
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? (Ketil Z Malde)
Re: Don't believe the hype (John Travis)
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever (Chris Ahlstrom)
Re: The Sixth Sense (Chris Ahlstrom)
Re: The Sixth Sense (Chris Ahlstrom)
Re: The Sixth Sense (Chris Ahlstrom)
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever (Chris Ahlstrom)
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever (Chris Ahlstrom)
Re: Whistler review. ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Whistler review. ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever (Chris Ahlstrom)
Re: Whistler review. ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Subject: Re: Comparing Linux
Date: 1 Dec 2000 11:25:08 GMT
On Thu, 30 Nov 2000 22:37:30 -0500, mlw wrote:
>Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
>The comparisons are necessary because the hype is unavoidable. We often
I can see a reason to do a "comparison" between different options in context
of evaluating different options for a project.
My main objection to "comparisons" in general though tends to be the fact
that I see a lot of "comparisons" (for example, see "Objects unencapsulated",
Joyner) that make a lot of unstated assumptions and conclude (x) is better
than everything else for everything, which is usually not true.
--
Donovan Rebbechi * http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/ *
elflord at panix dot com
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
From: Ketil Z Malde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 11:54:36 GMT
"Conrad Rutherford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> OS. OK, great, 18% - now, lets see how it goes after you've eaten
> the TCO advantage of that away and have to spend more time getting
> the same tasks done at the CLI than in Windows.
I'm very curious what tasks you think will raise the TCO of a Linux
box? What data are you basing your conclusions on? How do you
measure it, and in what settings?
> And more time you spend trying to find, fix and compile apps from
> strangers to try to fill the void ...
Now it must be said that it is vastly easier to install applications
on Linux than on any incarnation of Windows I've seen. Not to mention
keeping installations up to date, and deinstalling software.
> Your one company experience pales to the dozens I've had experience
> with.
What companies might that be? Care to elaborate on the costs?
> Time will tell...
Indeed.
-kzm
--
If I haven't seen further, it is by standing in the footprints of giants
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
From: Ketil Z Malde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 12:04:47 GMT
"Conrad Rutherford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I know NO ONE in the entire world that would hire someone who is as
> arrogant to go to an interview and TELL the hirer what they will or
> will not take responsibility for, unilaterally.
Perhaps you should get out more. I certainly have turned down job
offers that involved technology that didn't interest me. I know
people who tell their employer flat out that if they can't work with
such and such, they'll look for a different job. And they can dictate
their terms, because they're good, and because it's a very tight job
market.
> besides, you have to go on interviews...? My recruiter calls me to
> tell me who wants me next.
It is tempting to mention that this is something you share with
certain women of negotiable affection, but I think I better refrain.
:-)
-kzm
--
If I haven't seen further, it is by standing in the footprints of giants
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Goodwin Acknowledges he's an idiot.
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 11:58:47 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
kiwiunixman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Pete, just ignore him and he will go away.
Exclusing us two, have you noticed that all the respondants to this
topic are the inferior type of Linux advocate? The ones that either hurl
insults or drown us in rants and raves.
--
---
Pete
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Comparing Linux
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 12:33:57 GMT
You all are right. And you know what ? The mags and distributers like
Red Hat want to look Linux like Windows, but why ? To make it
interessting for newbies ? Oh no, not that again, I've wasted a lot of
time by answering questions about this and that. And newbies to have a
full introduction to their new "toy" but do they see the opportunities
that come with Linux ? I guess not. But what I really want to say is,
the companies "selling" Linux want to make it look like what it don't
used to be. They're wasting resources to make it look like somthing
different, that is like: you buy a PC and want to make it an Apple.
That won't work ! But you can even change the look and feel of every
part in the X ! I guess thats why most of the newcomers seem to be
confused, they want to have a standardized desktop. I wish everybody
could see what Linux rally offers to them.
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: Giuliano Colla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Sixth Sense
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 12:42:13 GMT
"Chad C. Mulligan" wrote:
>
> "Chris Ahlstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Curtis wrote:
> > >
> > > Your example had me wondering though.
> > >
> > > What practical real world task are you doing with you real world
> > > operating system in the context of browsing that I can't achieve with
> > > IE? I use Netcaptor to be exact that uses the IE engine. I don't use OE.
> >
> > Avoiding Trojans comes to mind. Not to mention that NT/2000 require
> > some serious reconfiguration to avoid myriads of problems due to that
> > leaky boat called "port 139".
> >
>
> Two settings changes are 'serious reconfiguration' hell you can turn it on
> and off as desired. Or just implement IPSEC and still use it as designed.
>
This link provides something more than two setting, in order
to provide a certain amount of security for NT. Is the
fellow crazy or you're oversimplifying a bit?
http://bunbun.ais.vt.edu/work/securing_nt.html
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (DeAnn)
Subject: Re: linux on a 486
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 12:48:49 GMT
On Wed, 29 Nov 2000 23:31:48 -0800, Micah Higgs
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>i have a 81 meg hard disk and only 2 megs of ram. i would get more ram
>but it is the old 30 pin kind for IBM type computers. dose anyone have
>this kind or know how to get it cheap?
>
Try used computer stores or computer shows. Sometimes they
have 30-pin RAM because they bought a lot of machines with some so
configured. There are a few specialty distributions truncated to
fit in very small RAM (that I think go down to 2 MB)....you'd have to
look around on the net for these. What can be done on such a limited
machine will be, of course, a lot less than what you can do on a
modern machine.
>and befor i fdisk the computer to laod linux is thare a help book so i
>dont kill the computer.(i am new to linux) the only system i know right
>know is ms-dos. so how differnt is linux from the other systems?
>
>thanks,micah
>
>Bruce Scott TOK wrote:
>>
>> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> Micah Higgs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >is it possibul to put linux on a 486/66mhz with only a floppy drive?
>>
>> Floppy only is tough, though there are likely solutions. I ran with
>> Linux on a 486/DX2 40 with 4 MB ram and 80 MB hard disk for several
>> years. It is very possible but you have to know what you are doing to
>> do the install since all the defaults on the modern easy packages will
>> install much more than 100 MB.
>>
>> Run Slackware or Debian if you are going small on old hardware...
>>
>> --
>> cu,
>> Bruce
>> drift wave turbulence: http://www.rzg.mpg.de/~bds/
>> sign the Linux Driver Petition: http://www.libranet.com/petition.html
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From: "SuperGumby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.os.ms-windows.nt,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Windows review
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 13:00:50 GMT
I'm a Windows diehard, but if you want me to run win9x on a 386 with a GB of
RAM you can keep dreamin'.
On a similar vein, try to do something under X on any *nix distribution on a
similar machine, I'll make coffee and toast while you wait for the window to
open.
on a 486/66 with 64MB, RH5.2 and Win95 (providing similar functionality)
worked OK, RH6.0 was almost unusable but may have pipped win98.
Snarf wrote in message <906o5q$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>Win95 on a 386 with 4 megs of RAM? You might be able to install it, but do
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
From: Ketil Z Malde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 12:57:08 GMT
"Chad C. Mulligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> OK Les, Please explain to all of us how to write in version x of any
> program support for features in version of x+2 of that same program. Are
> you psychic or psychotic?
You don't have to be either, just a bit less than dim-witted. If you
use e.g. SGML for your data format, it isn't very hard to be forward
compatible.
Your old application may not be able to understand new features, but
it will be able to work with files created by newer software, and a
modified file could still preserve any of the new features when you
store it.
-kzm
--
If I haven't seen further, it is by standing in the footprints of giants
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Travis)
Subject: Re: Don't believe the hype
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 12:52:09 GMT
And Vann spoke unto the masses...
>Stop talking as if you are speaking facts. I wouldn't trade blackbox for
>Windows 2000 any day. It takes up far less memory, and I think it looks
>and feels better.
Amen, but I would have to say WindowMaker (but Blackbox is very nice too).
>My father, who is computer illiterate, uses linux and
>blackbox everyday, and the last time we reset the computer because of
No one should really have any problems (especially if they are sitting in front
of kde2 or helix etc with shiny happy icons). I'll admit setting it up can be a
pain. And there are some very complex tasks, but the "average" user never
touches on these on any platform. My girlfriend never had any problems using my
computer, whether it's Linux, FreeBSD, W2k, or whatever else I threw on. Her
only problem was the same as most people's..."where the fsck did the thing I
minimized go?" Although she (unlike some friends) figured it out on her own.
>anyhow, were the cause of the problem. ) Gnome and KDE, to me, are heavy
>and awkward, just like Windows. This is why I don't use them. You can
Agreed. I like my *nix experience light and very fast. I just realized I don't
even have X running yet ;).
>ridiculous. I use Word 2000 on a regular basis, and it looks
>professional, but I can't stand how it works. It tries to guess what I
LOL. And every version gets worse about this. Until it gets to the point where
I can lean my head up against my monitor and it types my papers for me, it will
just be annoying.
>WordPerfect 8. My father uses the latter for his buisness, and adores it.
>Bah, forget HTML, Usenet needs a <rant> tag.
Maybe all newsreaders should incorporate rant tags. Say everything between
%rant% and %/rant% gets highlighted bright orange. It would sure help out for
this ng 8^).
jt
--
Debian Gnu/Linux [Woody]
2.4.0-test9-ReiserFs|XFree4.0.1|nVidia.95 Drivers
You mean there's a stable tree?
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From: Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 13:16:13 GMT
Ayende Rahien wrote:
>
> > And that format would be? You aren't going out on much of a limb here
> > if it happens to be the one holding a monopoly position.
>
> Practically any, duh.
> There is such a thing called *Viewers*.
> They are *free*.
> No need to upgrade, no need to pay anything to anyone.
>
> WordView is one of them.
> http://officeupdate.microsoft.com/2000/downloadDetails/wd97vwr32.htm
> Win9x/NT
> http://officeupdate.microsoft.com/2000/downloadDetails/wdvw9716.htm
> Win3.X
>
> I can read Word 2000 documents in win 3.11 machine, wow, didn't even know
> that.
>
> There is also Power Point viewer.
> http://officeupdate.microsoft.com/2000/downloadDetails/Ppview97.htm
>
> And something for access too, but it's not quite a viewer, didn't look into
> it very much.
>
> BTW, all the links that I supplied work on 97/2000 office files.
> For some idiotic reason they are all named <something> viewer 97.
> In Excel case, the file support goes back to Excel 2 on wintel & 2.2a on
> mac.
> In PowerPoint case, the file support goes back to PowerPoint 2 on wintel &
> PowerPoint 3 on Mac
> In Word case, no data is given to how far back the support goes, although I
> assume that this goes back at least to word 6.0
This is cool stuff, Ayende. Thanks for the links.
You can also get viewers for Linux (they come with Red Hat 7, for example)
called gnumeric and AbiWord, and I believe there are some viewers for other
formats. These tools also allow editing, but they save in an XML format
that the Microsoft products can't handle.
For even greater compatibility, at the expense of even greater code
bloat, you can obtain Star Office 5.2 (for both Linux and Windozzzzzzzzzz)
for free. It works pretty well, if you like that sort of thing.
Personally, I'd prefer to pirate the original MS Office products and
use them on a pirated copy of Windozzzzzzzzzzzz <grin>.
Chris
--
Now why don't y'all juss leave this
poor ol' cuntry bawh alone?
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From: Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Sixth Sense
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 13:36:08 GMT
"Chad C. Mulligan" wrote:
>
> "Chris Ahlstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >
> > Avoiding Trojans comes to mind. Not to mention that NT/2000 require
> > some serious reconfiguration to avoid myriads of problems due to that
> > leaky boat called "port 139".
> >
>
> Two settings changes are 'serious reconfiguration' hell you can turn it on
> and off as desired. Or just implement IPSEC and still use it as designed.
You're right, sort of. I'm looking here at my copy of "Hacking Exposed
2nd. Edition", and they note a way to prevent null sessions in just a few
steps (for Windows NT with SP3 or later). Can you tell me what they are?
Hint: the last step involves rebooting.
For Win2000, port 445 also needs to be blocked. You also should disable
the SNMP agent. Of course, there are even more things you need to do
(the book devotes much space to Windows OSs), but I realize you were
talking only about port 139.
Chris
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From: Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Sixth Sense
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 13:38:21 GMT
"Chad C. Mulligan" wrote:
>
> "mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > My BIOS has nothing to do with Win98 failing to shut down.
>
> Actually it has everything to do with it.
>
> > Interestingly, if I use APM and linux on the same hardware,
> > not only does it close down properly, but it powers down as
> > well.
>
> So you got the correct drivers.
>
> > Win98SE is failing to even close down, let alone power down.
> >
>
> Get the correct drivers....
I thought the big selling point of these Win9x systems was
that they detected the hardware and configured themselves.
Hell, the Red Hat installer does a heck of a better job!!!
Chris
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From: Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Sixth Sense
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 13:41:10 GMT
"Chad C. Mulligan" wrote:
>
> If I'm ever in dire need of an opinion of absolutely no value, you will be
> the first notified.
I just got frustrated with your saying the same response again.
Especially since I have worked quite a bit with all forms of Windozzzzzzzzz,
and have at least made it past the more common problems of Windozzzzzzzzz
configuration.
Oh, and thanks for the notification <grin>.
Chris
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From: Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 13:45:05 GMT
Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>
> "mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >No, it means that Linux users like this don't give a rip about what
> > >consumers want.
> >
> > Unlike monopolies like Microsoft who are beating down the door
> > of the consumer, competing against, err, err, err, well, someone,
> > anyway, to sell their product, against, err, who?
>
> Themselves, actually.
>
> In order to keep their profit margins up, they must often sell new versions
> to their existing customers. In order to do that, they have to give the
> customer something they want. No customer throws away a perfectly good
> product for something that they don't want.
Oftentimes, what they want is to fix the problems they perceive in their
current products. So they cast their money into the sea, hoping (often
in vain) to get a better product.
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From: Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 13:52:25 GMT
Ayende Rahien wrote:
>
> I can read a variety of formats, and there is always HTML & PDF
Ah, yes, PDF, just about the only support for PostScript on
Windozzzzzzz.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 08:53:36 -0500
"Chad C. Mulligan" wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Conrad Rutherford wrote:
> > >
> > > "Spicerun" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > Conrad Rutherford wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This frog shit beats the hell out of whale shit.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > And ALL the windows shit beats the living hell outta the dinosaur
> shit
> > > unix
> > > > > drags itself though.
> > > >
> > > > How would you know?
> > >
> > > Because I started in computers running unix and have graduated to W2K.
> >
> > You sound like somebody who never ever understood unix in the first place.
> >
>
> Actually there are quite a few of us around. We started in the dark days of
> terminals now we've moved Open Systems into something really versatile and
> powerful, yet easy to use.
Microsoft products are not Open Systems.
The only systems which meet the definition of open systems are Unix-based,
plus maybe Open VMS.
Hope that helps, moron.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 08:53:55 -0500
Static66 wrote:
>
> On Mon, 27 Nov 2000 20:43:39 -0500, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >Chad Myers wrote:
> >>
> >> "Glitch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Tom Elam wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > On Mon, 27 Nov 2000 02:30:51 +0200, Tom Elam wrote this reply to "Ayende
> >> > > Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >> > >
> >> > > >For now, I think that there is a good chance that Whistler will be as good
> >> > > >from win2k as win2k was from NT.
> >> > >
> >> > > That would make it a pretty impressive piece of software.
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> > yep, only 2 crashes per day instead of 5, and only 5 employees angry for
> >> > their work being lost instead of 10 employees.
> >>
> >> You idiots are all the same. You used Windows back in the Win3.0 days,
> >> realized it was shit, and then never used another Windows again, but
> >> held every version to that standard.
> >
> >Circa 1980 BSD 2.x Unix on PDP-11 with up to 2 dozen simultaneous users was good
> >for over a week.
> >
> >Circa 1999 Windows 98 stays up for what...2 days...IF YOU'RE LUCKY
> >
> >What the fuck is up with that????
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >> NT is far superior, Win2K even more, and Whistler just that much more.
> >
> >Yeah, right. Show me even ONE NT box that has stayed up for 3 months,
> >let alone 14 months.
>
> I have three here in my house that have been running for months
> without a crash or reboot..they get used everyday quite heavily..
prove it.
> >
> >>
> >> -Chad
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 13:54:02 GMT
Ayende Rahien wrote:
>
> "Chris Ahlstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > The usual way to make a profit is by selling service and commodities.
> > I can make a lot more in the same time by consulting for a lab,
> > for example, than by writing code at work.
>
> That is not good if you make a general purpose software.
> Especially if it's widely spread.
> Take linux, frex, I didn't pay anything for my dist, and I've several, I
> didn't pay for support, but I get it nonetheless, from newsgroup, email
> lists, IRC, friends, and so on.
Still, there are people who cannot get support in those ways.
Or, they believe that the only good support is expensive support.
(I just wish I had some of those people as customers <grin>).
Chris
--
Now why don't y'all juss leave this
poor ol' cuntry bawh alone?
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 08:55:44 -0500
Conrad Rutherford wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Conrad Rutherford wrote:
> > >
> > > Chad, there won't be any company left to visit after they take the road
> down
> > > linux loosers lane... I mean, I don't know anywhere they've dropped
> windows
> > > for linux and survived more than a fiscal year. In fact, I consider it
> an
> > > automatic lie when I hear "We replaced our windows boxes with linux" - I
> > > read: I snuck a copy of linux into a partition I resized with partition
> > > magic (nothing like it in unix world of course) and it's running my own
> > > private ftp site so I can leech files I download at work home.
> >
> > Strange. Auto suppliers around Detroit are using Linux more and more....
> > so that they can more directly work with the auto manufacturers themselves
> > without having to purchase $15,000 Sun workstations
>
> Gee, strange that given the opportunity to replace overpriced unreliable sun
> workstations with intel boxes running a free unix varient would strike you
> as anything but logical? Their applications are unix based, of course
> they'll stick to unix you dim bulb. That they dropped Sun speaks volumes.
Yet, why hasn't the auto industry *EVER* used NT?
> Auto suppliers in detroit are notoriously cheap, they'll hire ANYONE so long
> as the word "Cheap" is associated with them. That's why their turnover rate
> is so high. Ask your recruiter for statistics about the market in detroit
> (south of big beaver) and you'll know why that's happening. Then research
> how they do it on north 75 where the big money lies.... ahhhh.... suddenly
> the trail turns.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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