Linux-Advocacy Digest #586, Volume #33 Fri, 13 Apr 01 22:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: lack of linux billionaires explained in one easy message ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Blame it all on Microsoft ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: MS and ISP's ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Something cool in gcc (mlw)
Re: Blame it all on Microsoft (mlw)
Re: Linux on Compaq...coming this Summer. (Giuliano Colla)
Re: This is a fucking miracle! CD-R Follow up story (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: Something cool in gcc
Re: NT kiddies, don't try this at home (GreyCloud)
Re: NT is stagnant while Linux explodes
Re: Something cool in gcc (mlw)
Re: So much for modules in Linux! (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: Blame it all on Microsoft (Chad Everett)
Re: What is the size of Linux 2.4.1 Kernel (SammyTheSnake)
Re: hmm getting tired of this! (GreyCloud)
Re: Blame it all on Microsoft (Chris Morgan)
Re: Linux on Compaq...coming this Summer. (Nomen Nescio)
Re: IE (GreyCloud)
Re: Blame it all on Microsoft (GreyCloud)
Re: hmm getting tired of this! (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: lack of linux billionaires explained in one easy message
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Subject: Re: lack of linux billionaires explained in one easy message
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,soc.singles
Date: 14 Apr 2001 00:19:54 GMT
"Hi! I am Aaron, I am a WinLose 98 user." Hiiiiiii... Aaron!
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Subject: Re: Blame it all on Microsoft
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.theory,comp.arch,comp.object
Date: 14 Apr 2001 00:20:02 GMT
"Hi! I am Aaron, I am a WinLose 98 user." Hiiiiiii... Aaron!
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Subject: Re: MS and ISP's
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Date: 14 Apr 2001 00:20:05 GMT
"Hi! I am Aaron, I am a WinLose 98 user." Hiiiiiii... Aaron!
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From: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Something cool in gcc
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 20:27:18 -0400
I did something in gcc, that I thought would make the compiler barf, to prove a
point. Instead of proving my point it would not work, it worked. Wow! this is a
great feature of gcc.
1 #include <unistd.h>
2 #include <string.h>
3 #include <stdio.h>
4 void function(char *str1, char *str2)
5 {
6 int cb = strlen(str1)+strlen(str2)+1;
7 char str[cb];
8 strcpy(str,str1);
9 strcat(str,str2);
10 printf("%s\n", str);
11 }
It isn't standard C/C++ but it could certainly save a malloc or two here and
there.
--
I'm not offering myself as an example; every life evolves by its own laws.
========================
http://www.mohawksoft.com
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From: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.theory,comp.arch,comp.object
Subject: Re: Blame it all on Microsoft
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 20:30:51 -0400
Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>
> "Michael Pye" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > People buy MS products because they get something out of it. Ever
> tried to
> > > > use Borland products ?
> >
> > Er. Yes actually I have. Borland C++ Builder was a dream when compared
> with
> > Miscrosoft Visual C++...
>
> Sure, as long as you don't try to do anything fancy with it. Once you get
> past what the IDE and the framework provide for you easily, it becomes, not
> a dream, but a nightmare. In addition, it's a far buggier product.
It is well documented how Microsoft limited Borland's access to Windows
information.
--
I'm not offering myself as an example; every life evolves by its own laws.
========================
http://www.mohawksoft.com
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From: Giuliano Colla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: Linux on Compaq...coming this Summer.
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 00:34:48 GMT
Anonymous wrote:
>
[snip]
>
> however all things considered i consider windows to be a real bargain.
>
Given your keen understanding of business, I feel you're the right
person to address this offer.
Because of momentary financial problems, I'm forced to sell an
invaluable leaning tower whose image you can see on this site:
http://WWW.PISAONLINE.IT/PISA/photos/default.htm
for the incredibly low amount of 1.37 Million US$, cash. Only visitor
tickets in one year greatly exceed this sum, not considering the much
more profitable business of souvenirs, image rights, etc. It's really a
bargain you shouldn't miss. Please get in touch with me for details.
--
Giuliano Colla
P.S. For your information, the shift keys, the ones which are used to
type upper case letters are located on the left and right side of your
keyboard, on the row above the space bar, and they show a large up
arrow.
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: This is a fucking miracle! CD-R Follow up story
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 12:41:05 +1200
Na, can't be bothered. Too bloody lazy.
Matthew Gardiner
MH wrote:
>
> Can we get a 'nah nah -nah-nah nah'
>
> "Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > The manual was used to double check what I already knew.
> >
> > Matthew Gardiner
> >
> > Pete Goodwin wrote:
> > >
> > > Matthew Gardiner wrote:
> > >
> > > > For those who had followed the luser a couple of posts back,
> > > > complaining, no, that is too soft, bitching because he could get his
> > > > CD-R work'in. Well, my experience is contry to his experience, in
> that
> > > > I only needed to edit to files and run one program, reboot, CD-R is
> > > > ready to roll. Guess how I did it? I read the fucking manual, I know,
> > > > bloody miracle!
> > >
> > > I got CD-R to work on Linux _without_ reading the manual. Worked first
> time.
> > > One thing Mandrake 7.2 got right.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Pete
> > > Running on SuSE 7.1, Linux 2.4, KDE 2.1
> > > Kylix: the way to go!
> >
> > --
> > I am the resident BOFH (Bastard Operater from Hell)
> >
> > If you donot like it go [#rm -rf /home/luser] yourself
--
I am the resident BOFH (Bastard Operater from Hell)
If you donot like it go [#rm -rf /home/luser] yourself
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: Something cool in gcc
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 00:44:39 GMT
On Fri, 13 Apr 2001 20:27:18 -0400, mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>I did something in gcc, that I thought would make the compiler barf, to prove a
>point. Instead of proving my point it would not work, it worked. Wow! this is a
>great feature of gcc.
>
> 1 #include <unistd.h>
> 2 #include <string.h>
> 3 #include <stdio.h>
> 4 void function(char *str1, char *str2)
> 5 {
> 6 int cb = strlen(str1)+strlen(str2)+1;
> 7 char str[cb];
> 8 strcpy(str,str1);
> 9 strcat(str,str2);
>10 printf("%s\n", str);
>11 }
>
>It isn't standard C/C++ but it could certainly save a malloc or two here and
>there.
why it isn't standard c++? You can create variables on the fly and initialize
them at the same time. I do stuff like that all the time. I think The best
way to use variables is only when you need them, initialized at the time of
creation.
Or simpler:
printf( "%s%s\n", str1, str2 );
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: NT kiddies, don't try this at home
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 17:48:00 -0700
Dave Martel wrote:
>
> On Fri, 13 Apr 2001 00:50:00 -0700, GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> >Bloody Viking wrote:
> >>
> >> Dave Martel ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> >>
> >> : <http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/5/18265.html>
> >> : Missing Novell server discovered after four years
> >>
> >> : "...the University of North Carolina has finally located one of its
> >> : most reliable servers - which nobody had seen for FOUR years...One of
> >> : the University's Novell servers had been doing the business for years
> >> : and nobody stopped to wonder where it was until some bright spark
> >> : realised an audit of the Campus network was well overdue...Attempts to
> >> : follow network cabling to find the missing box led to the discovery
> >> : that maintenance workers had sealed the server behind a wall."
> >>
> >> : Can you imagine an NT server running totally unattended for four
> >> : years?
> >>
> >> In the computer world, that's tantamount to discovering the remains of
> >> Pompeii. Except that it was still working! Now, the motive of discovery was
> >> Microshit and software audits. Were it not for the BSA, that lone server would
> >> have continued until the hardware died, humming away the years like the
> >> Energiser Rabbit. That is some good uptime, 4 years entombed in a room that
> >> was sealed off like the dead Pharohs of Old Egypt.
> >>
> >> --
> >> FOOD FOR THOUGHT: 100 calories are used up in the course of a mile run.
> >> The USDA guidelines for dietary fibre is equal to one ounce of sawdust.
> >> The liver makes the vast majority of the cholesterol in your bloodstream.
> >
> >I don't think it was working sealed up like that. Our secretaries
> >stuffed their PCs under their desks without any air flow paths, and
> >about a month later they complained the computer died. Fried power
> >supply.
>
> If their cases are like mine, the fan's up high and on the back. I
> imagine it would fry something to shove that right up against a desk's
> modesty panel. If the fan and vents aren't obstructed I don't think my
> system would have any problem at all in a small closet. Might heat it
> up to 95 degrees in there but it still runs OK at that temperature.
:-) The government told us "We don't provide for creature comforts!"
,... that was in regards to air-conditioning. So in the summer it gets
good and hot in the offices. What air-flow?
--
V
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: NT is stagnant while Linux explodes
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 01:38:51 +0200
In article <9b3a03$5cb$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Todd" <todd<remove>[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> "667 Neighbor of the Beast" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
>> If with that built-in guarantee, they still cannot cut it. Linux's
>> momentum is astounding; NT's is basically flat!
>
> This is true, however. Linux is able to take hold where the cost of the OS
> is significant. For most big corporations, the cost of the OS is small in
> comparison to labor costs...
TCO for any Unix is small compared to Windows (what an absurd name for server
systems). Last year alone there were over 100 security bugs found in Microsoft
SW. The worst offender was IIS. Windows admins just can't keep up. Each new
service pack introduces yet more bugs. The number of security bugs found in
Unix systems is tiny compared to Microsoft and patches are normally made
available far faster than patches from Microsoft.
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From: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Something cool in gcc
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 20:56:51 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> On Fri, 13 Apr 2001 20:27:18 -0400, mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >I did something in gcc, that I thought would make the compiler barf, to prove a
> >point. Instead of proving my point it would not work, it worked. Wow! this is a
> >great feature of gcc.
> >
> > 1 #include <unistd.h>
> > 2 #include <string.h>
> > 3 #include <stdio.h>
> > 4 void function(char *str1, char *str2)
> > 5 {
> > 6 int cb = strlen(str1)+strlen(str2)+1;
> > 7 char str[cb];
> > 8 strcpy(str,str1);
> > 9 strcat(str,str2);
> >10 printf("%s\n", str);
> >11 }
> >
> >It isn't standard C/C++ but it could certainly save a malloc or two here and
> >there.
>
> why it isn't standard c++? You can create variables on the fly and initialize
> them at the same time. I do stuff like that all the time. I think The best
> way to use variables is only when you need them, initialized at the time of
> creation.
>
> Or simpler:
> printf( "%s%s\n", str1, str2 );
The sample was stupid code, the neat feature was the ability to create an
automatic variable based on another automatic variable. It is NOT standard.
--
I'm not offering myself as an example; every life evolves by its own laws.
========================
http://www.mohawksoft.com
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: So much for modules in Linux!
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 13:01:21 +1200
Well, hopefully this development will finally make developers realise
that there is potential in Linux instead of dismissing it as some fad,
mind you, something that has lasted 10 years I would not consider a
fad. As a side note, I find it rather funny that developers bitch and
moan because of the lack of gaming API's when they totally over look
OpenGL, and its audio equivilant, OpenAL. There is also sdl used by
lokigames to help them port many of the DirectX based games to linux. I
am sure there are many other API's out there for Linux, so, as a matter
of fact, they not only have a gaming API, but a selection, so that, if
API "X" doesn't suite the job, then they can use one that does.
As for SuSE Linux. I have SuSE Linux 7.1 running, and compared to
Redhat, SuSE is awsome. Hence, the reason I donot understand why SuSE
has not made bigger inroads into the US market. About the only bone I
have to pick with SuSE is the number of duplicate packages, such as
having three Java Virtual Machines, when one would be adequate.
Matthew Gardiner
Pete Goodwin wrote:
>
> Matthew Gardiner wrote:
>
> > Just out of curiosity, when is Borland going to release C++ for Linux? I
> > saw that it was part of their "grand plan", however, there was never
> > really a definate release date.
>
> Sometime in the next, guessing a bit.
>
> > regarding the quality, cut the guys a bit of slack. Considering they
> > were writing a Delphi from scratch for Linux, I would say they did a
> > pretty good job. Just as a side note (to any Borland employees
> > reading), if it is as bad as you make it out to be, maybe Borland should
> > give v2 of Kylix away for free to all those who bought v1, thus, really
> > boosting the Linux developer base.
>
> Oh it's a pretty good job they've done. Seeing Delphi (I mean Kylix)
> running on Linux is something of an amazing sight when you realise just
> what is happening!
>
> It's just that it's about as flakey as a beta test product when it comes to
> stability. I am informing them about problems as I go so hopefully they can
> be patched.
>
> If you want to see how far I've gotten with Kylix, take a look at
> http://mse.sourceforge.net/
>
> --
> Pete
> Running on SuSE 7.1, Linux 2.4, KDE 2.1
> Kylix: the way to go!
--
I am the resident BOFH (Bastard Operater from Hell)
If you donot like it go [#rm -rf /home/luser] yourself
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chad Everett)
Crossposted-To: comp.theory,comp.arch,comp.object
Subject: Re: Blame it all on Microsoft
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 13 Apr 2001 19:54:58 -0500
On 13 Apr 2001 16:19:12 -0600, Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chad Everett) writes:
>
>> On Fri, 13 Apr 2001 19:07:22 GMT, Russell Easterly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >
>> >I will switch to LINUX when it can reliably run
>> >Windows NT as a sub-process.
>>
>> So you'll be switching this weekend then? I can run both Windows NT
>> and Windows 2K Pro both simultaneously on my Linux box ( each with
>> their own IP address and virtual network interface) using vmware.
>> They work great. It's the most satisfying way to run Windows NT/2K.
>
>And you can always run Linux under Windows if you prefer. The way of
>the operating system is dated -- people won't be paying for them in
>the near future, and everyone will be able to run whatever they
>like without regard to applications. It may take 10 years, but it
>will happen.
>
Yes, but he specifically requested NT as a process under Linux.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (SammyTheSnake)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: What is the size of Linux 2.4.1 Kernel
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 10:31:33 +0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Toby A Inkster Esq
wrote:
>In our last episode, Alumne FIB - MARC COLL CARRILLO wrote:
>
>:The compressed file is about 20 Mb. Once uncompressed, it can grow up to
>:100 Mb.
>
>ROFL, Free Agent hadn't downloaded the body of this message when I
>first read it, do all I saw was this:
>
>|Re: What is the size of Linux 2.4.1 Kernel
>|
>| [13 lines]
>|
>| [Press M to mark this message for later retrieval.]
>
>A 13 line Kernel... he he.
just reeeeeally long lines :)
Cheers & God bless
SammyTheSnake
--
Sam.Penny @ Ntlworld.com | Looking for a computer related
Linux, Hardware & Juggling specialist :-) | job, if you can help, e-mail me :)
Wheels: bike, 'ickle bike, and unicycle. | /o \/
Boxen: K6-266@300, dual Celery500 & Nx486 | \__/\
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: hmm getting tired of this!
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 18:13:17 -0700
Matthew Gardiner wrote:
>
> Pete Goodwin wrote:
> >
> > Matthew Gardiner wrote:
> >
> > > SuSE Makes money
> >
> > They had to lay off some workers in the USA though.
> >
> > --
> > Pete
> > Running on SuSE 7.1, Linux 2.4, KDE 2.1
> > Kylix: the way to go!
>
> US consumers are not normal consumers. They still insist on buying cars
> that are the size of tanks, and consume so much fuel a small island
> nation could last a week on it. General Electric, hello? most people
> outside the US wouldn't know who the fuck they are? I would be lucky to
> see atleast one item on the self made by General Electric in New
> Zealand. Hence, unless, you are a US company, based in the US, you have
> bugger all chances of getting market share.
>
> Matthew Gardiner
>
> --
> I am the resident BOFH (Bastard Operater from Hell)
>
> If you donot like it go [#rm -rf /home/luser] yourself
Around here you have to have a tank. :-) Most of the fuel costs are in
the taxes, not the fuel. As one rich Arab in Saudi Arabia put it,..
don't blame us for the high prices of gas, blame your government. There
water costs more than gas.
Electric Cars won't work in this country... the power grid couldn't
support all the recharges. Not much power left. Sometimes it feels
like the whole world has gone to hell in a handbasket.
--
V
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From: Chris Morgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.theory,comp.arch,comp.object
Subject: Re: Blame it all on Microsoft
Date: 13 Apr 2001 21:16:20 -0400
"Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Judge Jackson ruled the market to be Intel-Compatible PC operating
> > systems. He then went on to specifically address substitutes including
> > server operating systems, Non-Intel-Compatible PC operating systems,
> > information appliances, network computers, middleware etc.
>
> No, because otherwise server operating systems would have been included if
> it were simply Intel-Compatible PC operating systems.
Is it just me, or did you not read either Judge Jackson's words, or
mine? Server operating systems were explicitly discounted from the
market in detail, in the findings of fact.
--
Chris Morgan <cm at mihalis.net> http://www.mihalis.net
Temp sig. - Enquire within
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From: Nomen Nescio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux on Compaq...coming this Summer.
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,soc.singles
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 03:20:10 +0200 (CEST)
Giuliano Colla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Anonymous wrote:
> >
> [snip]
> >
> > however all things considered i consider windows to be a real bargain.
> >
>
> Given your keen understanding of business, I feel you're the right
> person to address this offer.
> Because of momentary financial problems, I'm forced to sell an
> invaluable leaning tower whose image you can see on this site:
>
> http://WWW.PISAONLINE.IT/PISA/photos/default.htm
>
> for the incredibly low amount of 1.37 Million US$, cash. Only visitor
> tickets in one year greatly exceed this sum, not considering the much
> more profitable business of souvenirs, image rights, etc. It's really a
> bargain you shouldn't miss. Please get in touch with me for details.
how's the redhat stock coming along?
jackie 'anakin' tokeman
men fear thought as they fear nothing else on earth - more than ruin,
more even than death
- bertrand russell
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: IE
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 18:23:34 -0700
Michael Pye wrote:
>
> > the degradation and eventual downfall of Netscape as the dominant
> > platform (it might come back, but I'm not hopeful; at least it's
> > open source now) because IE was given away for free and
> > candied up until it was speedy and everyone drooled over it), the
>
> But lets just stop and think for a minute here. Have you ever tried to
> develop for Netscape? NS4 does just happen to be the biggest pile of
> steaming, stinking shit that ever landed on a machine. It is the fucking
> pits. It offers little or no support for ANYTHING. It wasn't updated in over
> a year. Single handed that application has almost totally destroyed the
> creative possibilities of the web for designers because even thought it was
> shit, too many fucking people used it.
>
> Yes, now Netscape 6 is out things are a little better, but as an
> organisation Netscape are not working hard enough to clear up the excrement
> they have spread all over the web. If they are to ever be forgiven for
> releasing such a god awful piece of software they are better work harder to
> distribute NS6.
>
> As it is, us web designers have to write our pages, then take a big fuck off
> axe and remove absolutely anything which might make them interesting, easy
> to read or different from the others. Then we have a choice of publishing
> the crap pages or publishing the good ones and saying browse with a piece of
> shit if you feel like it. Or of course we can devise some code which wastes
> the time of our servers deciding which page to send to the browser. But that
> shouldn't be necessary.
>
> I hate Microsoft on principal. The recent statement that "Linux is against
> the american way" I find both very american and very, very offensive. As if
> the american way was even the correct one. And after that you have the fact
> that the american way as idealised underneath all the flab that are
> americans is supposed to be good and true, you are suggesting that anything
> that is not paid for or cannot be so easily exploited is evil.
>
> Love is evil
> Happiness is evil
>
> for they cannot be bought or sold by Mr Gates.
>
> However, I also hate Netscape for what they have done to the web of today.
> For every time I find that not only does NS not support even the most basic
> of style sheet properties, that I can find not HTML work around because
> developer.netscape.com seems to include EVERYTHING except the barest glimpse
> of a relevant piece of information.
>
> Unfortunately, I have to concede that msdn.microsoft.com/workshop is close
> to a masterpiece and includes almost ever piece of information I could ever
> need to know when designing for the web.
>
> Netscape might snipe at MS for not sticking to the industry standards, but
> at least IE made actual progress in the 18 months that NS4 proliferated like
> a like sucking virus through our web.
>
> And don't say I don't know about it.
>
> I was only one of those people who used NS4, it was logical for it to come
> after NS3 (which was better than IE3, but around at the same time as IE4, so
> wasn't really useful). But as I have said, it sucked so much arse that it
> drove me to collaborating with MS whether I liked it or not. There was no
> alternative.
>
> And so we reach the mess we are in today.
>
> One browser on one will use on principal
>
> One browser that is total shit beyond reasonable belief (it was practically
> a step back from the version before) that could be replaced but it's maker
> isn't willing to put in the effort.
>
> Where do we go from here?
>
> Well, that's up to the browsing public, I just wish they were better
> informed.
>
> MP
>
> PS. Erm. I only meant to post a little note on the subject of Netscape. It
> has grown, but I feel better for getting it off my chest ;)
>
> Intelligent discussion welcome, anyone with no clue or only your head up
> Gate's arse, please do not reply, you will only be ignored...
Go figure with ns... AOL owns them now. Now AOL has merged with
Time-Warner... another rip-off company. A long time ago Time-Warner
bought out Atari and turned that into a disaster. Same has happened
with Netscape and will only get worse. Time-Warner is a leech.
--
V
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Blame it all on Microsoft
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 18:26:54 -0700
Russell Easterly wrote:
>
> I will switch to LINUX when it can reliably run
> Windows NT as a sub-process.
>
> Russell
> - I want BillG to be my daddy
Ah, but Bills demands will be Brutal!
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: hmm getting tired of this!
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 13:44:41 +1200
Or a George dwebya Bush put it, "so what about global warming! if it
gets a little hot, I'll just open a window". Most people in NZ drive
Japanese cars like Nissans and Mazdas that run on the smell of an oily
rag. Two alternative fuels that should be considered are LPG and CNG.
Both of them only give off Carbon Dioxide, and are in pletiful supply.
Also, removing oil heating in housing would reduce emissions. Geeze, I
don't know one person in NZ who uses oil heating, most use either
electricity or Natural Gas.
Back to the topic, SuSE in the US. Why did it fail in the US? is it
because it is made by this mysterious company in this mystical place
called, "Overseas"?
Matthew Gardiner
GreyCloud wrote:
>
> Matthew Gardiner wrote:
> >
> > Pete Goodwin wrote:
> > >
> > > Matthew Gardiner wrote:
> > >
> > > > SuSE Makes money
> > >
> > > They had to lay off some workers in the USA though.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Pete
> > > Running on SuSE 7.1, Linux 2.4, KDE 2.1
> > > Kylix: the way to go!
> >
> > US consumers are not normal consumers. They still insist on buying cars
> > that are the size of tanks, and consume so much fuel a small island
> > nation could last a week on it. General Electric, hello? most people
> > outside the US wouldn't know who the fuck they are? I would be lucky to
> > see atleast one item on the self made by General Electric in New
> > Zealand. Hence, unless, you are a US company, based in the US, you have
> > bugger all chances of getting market share.
> >
> > Matthew Gardiner
> >
> > --
> > I am the resident BOFH (Bastard Operater from Hell)
> >
> > If you donot like it go [#rm -rf /home/luser] yourself
>
> Around here you have to have a tank. :-) Most of the fuel costs are in
> the taxes, not the fuel. As one rich Arab in Saudi Arabia put it,..
> don't blame us for the high prices of gas, blame your government. There
> water costs more than gas.
> Electric Cars won't work in this country... the power grid couldn't
> support all the recharges. Not much power left. Sometimes it feels
> like the whole world has gone to hell in a handbasket.
>
> --
> V
--
I am the resident BOFH (Bastard Operater from Hell)
If you donot like it go [#rm -rf /home/luser] yourself
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: lack of linux billionaires explained in one easy message
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 02:15:48 +0200
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Dave Martel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Thu, 12 Apr 2001 22:16:40 GMT, Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
>>Anonymous wrote:
>>>
>>> if microsoft were really a monopoly linux would not exist.
>>
>>Faulty premise. Whether Microsoft is a monopoly or not doesn't
>>matter as far as Linux (and the Free and Open BSDs) are concerned.
>>They're past the point where support or cooperation from a company
>>matters. Both OS's have the numbers and intelligence to support
>>them. They also have a fairly thorough coverage of the world
>>in the high-bandwidth connections required to distribute the
>>software even if Red Hat et al. did not exist.
>
> One could _almost_ argue that the existence of linux combined with the
> lack of any real commercial Microsoft competitors *proves* a monopoly.
> The incredible amounts of volunteer effort needed to create linux
> could never been mustered if commercial alternatives to Windows had
> been able to survive long enough to satisfy those users' needs.
>
> In a way, Microsoft has only themselves to blame for the open-source
> juggernaut.
This is absolutely true. Microsoft will rue the day that they created
their monopoly by illegal means as opposed to providing quality
operating systems and applications. They had such an opportunity to
advance the desktop OS, and computing in general, but gave in to
greed.
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