Linux-Advocacy Digest #609, Volume #30 Sat, 2 Dec 00 15:13:04 EST
Contents:
Re: Whistler review. ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Red hat becoming illegal? (sfcybear)
Re: Linux is awful (kiwiunixman)
Re: A little advocacy (sfcybear)
Re: windoze is awful (Adam Majer)
Re: Off Topic: Funny Light Bulb Joke: ("MH")
Re: Whistler review. (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: OS Sound OFF. ("John Travis")
Re: Whistler review. (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Whistler review. (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Netscape review. (bob_more)
Re: Netscape review. (bob_more)
Re: Windows review (Adam Schuetze)
Re: The Sixth Sense ("Chad C. Mulligan")
Re: The Sixth Sense ("Chad C. Mulligan")
Re: Whistler review. (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: OS Sound OFF. (.)
Re: Whistler review. ("Chad C. Mulligan")
test ("Jeff")
test ("Jeff")
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 21:05:28 +0200
"Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > For now, I think that there is a good chance that Whistler will be as
good
> > from win2k as win2k was from NT.
>
> That would make it getting somewhere useful, but still has a long way to
> go.
>
> Is it more like UNIX than 2K (2K is more like UNIX than NT4 and NT4 is
> more like UNIX than NT3.5.1)?
No, on the outside, it's very much like a Mac.
I just installed it on another mahcine, for a more serious testing (it goes
to the *abusers* now, the kind whose desktop directory is 1.5GB in size.)
and check the full turial.
Aside from the horrifying thought about the users that *need* to take the
mouse turial, it makes it very easy to do most tasks.
On the inside, it's more like Win2K, have some more features that I've to
study further to decide how they are going to work and if they are worth it.
And perform nicely on low-ram machines (Some people claim that you need 128
to run Win2K properly, I just installed whistler, with higher demands, on a
72MB, and I've a desktop & gaming computer on 2K with 64MB)
The most obvious advantage, aside the cool GUI, is the user switching, which
is really good, but MS should implement virtual desktop as well in order to
make it really good.
The NT line isn't trying to be unix-like, if they wanted that, they could've
gone Apple's way, to get BSD code, whose license allows properity code, and
use it.
The NT line was built by the same people who worked on the VMS.
If you want to learn about NT history, you might want to start here:
http://world.std.com/~jimf/papers/nt-unix/nt-unix.html
http://www.microsoft.com/WINDOWS2000/news/fromms/kanoarchitect.asp
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From: sfcybear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Red hat becoming illegal?
Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000 19:03:20 GMT
In article <90belg$jr7f$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> "mlw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Ayende Rahien wrote:
> >
> > It is perfectly legal for two companies to sign exclusive contacts.
Much
> > of what we call "anti-trust" is quite legal under normal
circumstances.
> > This is not contradictory, but, in fact, a very reasonable response
to a
> > monopoly. It is sort of like a PID motion controller. As one company
> > becomes so successful that it becomes virtually impossible to
compete
> > with it. "Feedback" must be applied to prevent runaway.
>
> Not if I understnad the sherman act correctly. Then again, I don't
> understand how the US handle as simple a procedure as election, so the
legal
> system is completly beyond me :)
> It says nothing about monopols, just about limiting trade.
The line that you quoted, yes. But read the whole act. The exclusive
contract is not thought of as limiting trade if enough routes to market
exists. The problem with MS is that they had exclusive contracts or had
a 'intimidation contract' with vertualy EVERY route to market. This was
the issue, MS controled the routes to market, thus was able truly
restrain trade.
>
> > The reasons for this are clear. If you have many venders with
comparable
> > chunks of the market, they will constantly be improving product and
> > advancing state of the art. If you have one vendor which has full
> > control over a market, then there is no competition and it is likely
> > that state of the art will not improve.
>
> Actually, that isn't quite true.
> If the monopol makes money from selling stuff, it has to constantly
improve
> itself in order to compete with *itself*.
This is not true. If there are no other compeditors, all they have to do
is make there stuff obsolete from time to time. Changing standards....
> I won't argue that it's better in a non-monopol state. But even in a
monopol
> state, the state-of-the-art will improve.
>
MUCH more slowly. It was like ATT not allowing anything but ATT modems
to attach to the phone linse and we were stuck with 300 baud modems.
After the breakup, this was not the case and modem tech expanded very
rapidly, because ATT no longer controled what was connected to the phone
lines and other companies started competing for the best and fastest
modem...
> > Now, as I understand it, it is not illegal to be a monopoly, but it
is
> > illegal to use the power of a monopoly to perpetuate it, or use a
> > monopoly position in one industry to leverage another. For instance:
>
> I've been saying it for soem time now.
>
> <snip some examples>
>
> Agreed, and I see your point.
>
>
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From: kiwiunixman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is awful
Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2000 08:10:54 +1300
Not me, I have constructively criticized Linux on a number of occasions,
however, I word it in a way that make sound like a genuine comment,
unlike normal posts that sound like a wingefest of Linux Sux, Linux is
too hard, or linux is stupid, yet not elaborating on their experience.
kiwiunixman
Pete Goodwin wrote:
> In article <9044o8$r6i$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> sfcybear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>> No, it shows the caliber of the people advocating MS products. They
>
> have
>
>> been around for a long time. In this group there have been a number of
>> them who have changed ID's and posted this type of post. The clue is
>> when they are not or never have asked for help, they are just piss'n
>
> and
>
>> moan'n
>
>
> From watching this group for a while it seems _anyone_ who has a
> criticism of Linux is immediately ribbed, ridiculed and otherwise
> insulted.
>
> I'll accept there may be people here deliberately trying to wind you up,
> but does that apply to every post? How do you know if the concern is
> genuine or not?
>
> --
> ---
> Pete
>
>
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From: sfcybear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: A little advocacy
Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000 19:10:19 GMT
In article <90b6cq$1gon$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Adam Ruth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 8:51am up 190 days, 14:14, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
>
> Just a little advocacy.
>
> These are my numbers from my Server running RedHat GNU/Linux 6.1.
It's has
> been rebooted 4 times:
>
> 1) After initial install
> 2) To take it up to the co-loc facility
> 3) When a moron at the co-loc facility unplugged it
> 4) When I (also a moron) accidentally rebooted it thinking I was ssh'd
to a
> different machine.
>
> We serve ~ 125,000 hit a month (not a really huge amount). We run a
500 MB
> PostgreSQL database for the hits. We've upgraded Apache twice,
PostgreSQL
> twice, SSH once, and made a huge number of small changes, all within
those
> 190 days.
>
> And to think that was only my 3rd installation of GNU/Linux. I'm
previously
> just an MSCE working on hundreds of Windows installations. Color me
> impressed.
>
> Adam Ruth, past Windows advocate, current Linux advocate.
>
Very cool! Welcome to a new world of stability and managability. You
said you use SSH. Do you know of a good sshd service for windowsNT? The
one I had tried is a poor port of the Unix code....
>
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Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000 13:19:13 -0600
From: Adam Majer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: windoze is awful
Ayende Rahien wrote:
>
> A> Win 2K Pro. is certainly not supposed to be the most stable windows ever
> released by MS. For this, look at Win2K DataCenter.
> B> Did you checked with support? Do you've correct, WQL, drivers? What
> software do you run?
I ran bcc55 (Borland Builder Free Compiler 5.5) which does not crash
anywhere. But the programs crash the OS. Simple stuff like not releasing
memory on exit, GPFs and other exceptions crash the kernel and _nothing_
responds.
Overall, windoze has a broken kernel. If it wasn't broken, windoze would
always recover from ring 3 crashes. But then again, it allowes drivers
to corrupt itself since it allows user programs to load into ring 0 and
then things happen no matter how stable their kernel appears to be. This
is the diff. b/w linux (and any other unix) and windoze. :(
And no, I haven't checked with support as they would be of no use [they
would tell _me_ to write better software!]
- Adam
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From: "MH" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Off Topic: Funny Light Bulb Joke:
Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 14:36:14 -0500
How about people who post about how if M$ made lightbulbs, they would
have a pretty pattern on the surface but would stop working until you
switched them off and on again?
Dunno 'bout that. Since you use their newsreader to post all of this rot,
why don't you tell us if your lights are going and off?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000 19:36:45 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, javelina
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Wed, 29 Nov 2000 08:07:24 GMT
<902dfr$c8t$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>Ayende Rahien wrote:
>
>> Can't say I ever saw an IRIX, do you mind
>> telling why you think it's better?
>
>Because the icon of a core dump looks like
>a crushed Cadillac with tailfins.
Uh huh. <grin>
Not that I use IRIX, myself. On KDE, core files look like
yellow bombs with X'ed eyes and a mouth with a tongue hanging out.
Or maybe that was Gnome; I forget now.
On another system -- HP/UX CDE -- core files are
little exploded firecrackers.
(Why it matters, I don't know. Don't like the icon? Change it.
I don't know the details for KDE, but it shouldn't be that difficult.)
NT of course doesn't have core files. It just has BSOD's. :-) :-)
>
>
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From: "John Travis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: OS Sound OFF.
Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000 19:23:12 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Charlie Ebert"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Everybody who reads this, sound off with your OS please. The one your
> using or like the most.
>
> Then the others you use follow.
>
> Using Debian 2.3 Woody
>
> Others None.
>
> Thanks
>
> Charlie
Debian [Woody]
FreeBSD (just learning ;)
Conectiva Linux 6.0
Pretty much all of the other Linuxen depending on my mood for testing :-)
Windows 2000 Pro //hey what can I say I do have some cool win
//software...
A little side note on Conectiva. I _just_ installed it. The ISO
retrieval was painful from Brazil (none of the mirrors had it yet). This
may sound elitest but I wasn't sure I could ever really enjoy using an
RPM based distro again. APT had spoiled me and made me lazy. But the
rpm port of apt has progressed nicely (I gotta praise this guy...also the
main devel for WindowMaker ;). Their ftp is overloaded but I apt-cdrom'd
a bunch of stuff, so far so good. X 4.0.1, kde2, reiserfs, a nice
install, and last but not least APT!!! Off topic I know but I don't
think to many people here in the states have used Conectiva. *VERY*
impressed so far.
jt
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000 19:41:10 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Simon Palko
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Wed, 29 Nov 2000 13:18:52 -0500
<903h02$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
[snip]
>> WINE is an attempt at reverse-engineering, NOT a clean-room
>> implementation from a published spec.
>
>Win32 IS A PUBLISHED SPEC.
>
>It's freely available, with EVERY SINGLE API CALL DOCUMENTED.
Win32 isn't the only thing that Wine has to emulate. A number of
applications use other DLLs; these have to be included in some
fashion. Some of these DLLs may not have documentation.
(Is OpenFile() part of Win32? That doesn't make a lot of sense to me.)
>
>Do you know that COM is an open spec now, too? And that there is an
>implementation of COM available for Linux? Is that a reverse-engineering,
>just because it's a different implementation of the spec?
Where? Wine would probably *love* to incorporate that, if
it's [L]GPLware.
[.sigsnip]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000 19:42:14 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Chad C. Mulligan
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Sat, 02 Dec 2000 02:05:14 GMT
<uNYV5.31502$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Simon Palko wrote:
>> >
><trimmed>
>
>>
>> What part of "UNDOCUMENTED" do you not understand???
>>
>> There are entire BOOKS covering undocumented Lose32 APIs.
>>
>
>Anyone else see the irony in this post???
That depends.
Are the books published by Microsoft?
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Subject: Re: Netscape review.
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
From: bob_more <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 14:38:45 -0500
"Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
"Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:907t3q$7heh$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > > > >
> > > > > You know, I can't even view the MS website
> > > > > properly with Netscape as the ONLY browser
> > > > > you can see it with properly is MSIE.
> > > >
> > > > The funny part is that I bet they don't even know
> > > > that. They probably just used the Microsoft tools
> > > > they sell everyone else that claim to follow standards
> > > > but in fact don't interoperate correctly with anything
> > > > else. Perhaps they have even deceived themselves.
> > > >
> > >
> > > You'd like that eh? Too bad it just ain't true.
> > >
> >
> > You mean they made it broken on purpose? Why?
>
> It isn't broken. You can surf to it with any browser that you would like.
> It's optimized to IE, of course, but netscape would do just as well.
It works now, but in the recent past the page did not display at
all under Netscape, either windows or linux. I don't think anyone
is going to admit whether this was intentional or they just used
their own tools that encourage that to happen.
> If you had done some advance HTML-authoring (java-script, dhtml, css) you
> would realize that it is a nightmare to try to do it for netscape.
You mean using the MS tool set that only works right when viewed
with IE?
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
just on observation, of all the reviews I've heard about netscrape 6, be it on
windows, mac or linux, it sucks. I just would like to point out the one thing
that has changed since earlier versions, the rather unsavory influence of aol.
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Subject: Re: Netscape review.
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,alt.linux.sux
From: bob_more <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 14:40:42 -0500
"Kyle Jacobs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Say, why does IE look cooler on Mac then it does on PC? I'd think that
Microsoft would make their product a little trendier on their home platform,
wouldn't you think?
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Thu, 30 Nov 2000 22:15:26 -0600, spicerun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >Please don't insult the Mac people.....I doubt they're thrilled with IE.
>
> Actually it runs quite nicely on my daughters iMac, which is more than
> I can say about any version of Netscape I have ever used. The iMac
> came with both Netscape and an older version of IE installed. Guess
> which one she used? Hint it wasn't the more current version of
> Netscape. We upgraded to IE 5 and it is great.
>
> claire
It looks cooler maybe, but the look and feel have nothing to do with the guts
that drive it. Be that as it may, I am not a windows fan, but.... IE 5 icks
netscape 6's ass easily. I'm learning to be partial to konqueror for linux, but
on windows, IE 5 was an incomparable improvement over ie 4, but it will be
interesting to watch what affect a now free pc version of Opera does to affect
preferences.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Adam Schuetze)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.os.ms-windows.nt,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Windows review
Reply-To: adam at adam-schuetze dot org
Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000 19:49:32 GMT
On Sat, 2 Dec 2000 14:37:08 +0200, Ayende Rahien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I don't know, which is why I read things such as "933Mhz Intel Pentuim II
> top-of-the-line!!!!!!!!! & a 64MB 100Mhz RAM" and laugh at them.
Exactly! It's bizarre. Vendors must be stupid, or something.
> No matter what is going on, you *always* need more RAM.
Thats about the size of it. I don't think (within reason of
course) that you can ever have to much ram.
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From: "Chad C. Mulligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Sixth Sense
Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000 19:50:16 GMT
"Chris Ahlstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "Chad C. Mulligan" wrote:
> >
> > One does expect an operating system to be able to count. IAC with the
proper
> > driver for the BIOS power management the problem is solved.
> >
> > IAC I don't think I was the one saying that possibly another Chad. ;-]
>
> Surely you understand how difficult it is to count chad??? nyuk nyuk
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From: "Chad C. Mulligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Sixth Sense
Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000 19:50:50 GMT
"Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:90bell$jr7f$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "Chad C. Mulligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:W1aW5.36434$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > "Chris Ahlstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Ayende Rahien wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > You forgot a few of steps!
> > > > >
> > > > > Disconnect data and power cables from floppy.
> > > > > Disconnect data and power cables from CD-ROM
> > > > > Boot and install password on BIOS
> > > >
> > > > Anyone with a screwdirver can remove this & restore floppy & CD-ROM
> > > > It's a bit harder to conjour a modem or a network card with only a
> > > > screwdriver :)
> > > >
> > > > > Now the only way to install software is using DEBUG <grin>.
> > > > >
> > > > > By the way, I read that the NT/2000 Resource Kits are just loaded
> > > > > with hacking tools.
> > > >
> > > > Hacking tools?
> > >
> > > I mean, "system administration" tools... nltest, getmac, netdom,
> > > reg, regdmp, passprop, dumpel, pulist, soon, remote, shutdown, sc,
> > > kill, auditpol, ipsecpol, and whoami.
> > >
> > > This doesn't count the additions in Win 2000, such as runas, secedit,
> > > and dcpromo.
> > >
> > > And don't forget about tracert, nslookup, and netstat, and net.
> > >
> > > Microsoft is learning from UNIX, it seems. Lots of tools.
> > > In any case, I have a hell of a lot of reading to do to catch up.
> > >
> > > You probably want to buy the second edition of "Hacking Exposed."
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Anyway, now we have a 10 steps, we need two more in order to make it
> > > > official.
> > >
> > > Here's two more:
> > >
> > > Kill and bury the IT people who set up the machines.
> > > Kill the people who buried these people.
> >
> > <joke>
> >
> > An easier solution would be a small charge activated by the power
switch.
> >
> > </joke>
> >
>
> Why use a small one?
>
I might still be in the building.
>
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000 19:51:50 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, kiwiunixman
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Thu, 30 Nov 2000 10:33:28 GMT
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>I have talked to developers, and their own opinion was the the Win32 API
>is a bitch to write programs around. Win32 API is a mish-mash of
>different parts thrown together in a blender, when compared with cleanly
>written API's such as the ones included with BeOS, which are fully
>documented, for real!
Indeed. Can anyone tell me what "MulDiv()" is doing in there?
Goofy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Subject: Re: OS Sound OFF.
Date: 2 Dec 2000 19:51:42 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Win98SE for digital audio work.Highly customized and bare bones
> install with no internet connection, games etc. Only programs are
> digital audio ones.
And awful, no doubt. When are you going to catch up with the rest
of the world?
=====.
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From: "Chad C. Mulligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
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Subject: Re: Whistler review.
Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000 19:54:34 GMT
"The Ghost In The Machine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Chad C. Mulligan
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote
> on Sat, 02 Dec 2000 02:05:14 GMT
> <uNYV5.31502$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >
> >"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> Simon Palko wrote:
> >> >
> ><trimmed>
> >
> >>
> >> What part of "UNDOCUMENTED" do you not understand???
> >>
> >> There are entire BOOKS covering undocumented Lose32 APIs.
> >>
> >
> >Anyone else see the irony in this post???
>
> That depends.
>
> Are the books published by Microsoft?
>
"A rose by any other name"
> [snip]
>
> --
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- _Unauthorized Windows95_ comes to mind
> (Andrew Schullman)
> up 77 days, 15:29, running Linux.
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From: "Jeff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: test
Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 23:50:41 +0800
test.
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From: "Jeff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: test
Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 23:57:25 +0800
test.
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