Linux-Advocacy Digest #609, Volume #32 Sat, 3 Mar 01 04:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: NT vs *nix performance (Dave)
"Re: NT vs *nix performance (Rex Ballard)
Re: In response to Windows Owns Desktop, Extends Lead in Server Market (Perry Pip)
Re: SSH vulnerabilities - still waiting [ was Interesting article ] (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Something Seemingly Simple. (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Something Seemingly Simple. (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Mircosoft Tax (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Linux--First Impressions from a semi-newbie (Ray Chason)
Re: NT vs *nix performance (Rex Ballard)
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From: Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: NT vs *nix performance
Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 00:54:20 -0700
On Fri, 02 Mar 2001 22:26:00 -0800, Amphetamine Bob
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Dave wrote:
>>>
>> It's too late now because of the DMCA,
>
>Ok, clue me in, someone, what is this obviously fucked-up, Bill
>Gates-type law?
DMCA = Digital Millenium Copyright Act. A tightening up of copyright
laws, and some updating to handle the digital age.
>Sounds like a typical shitty law that our *whore* legislators would
>pass. No doubt supported by all the *disgusting* big SW companies,
>the same ones that lie about a nonexistent "tech worker shortage" so
>they can bring in 100'000's of mediocre programmers from India to
>screw the American tech worker.
Actually I think it was a brainchild of the music industry. But the
software industry was happy to join in and of course consumers got
left out.
There is justice in the world, though. A Napster clone called Aimster
is encrypting their traffic and then (if I understand this right)
claiming copyright on the encrypted traffic. Under the music
industry's own baby - the DMCA - it's illegal for them to try to
decrypt the traffic to see if any illegal trading is going on.
The story is at:
<http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,42105,00.html>
>And the typical American programmer
>raves about how wonderful big corporations are. Oh, yeh, Big Business
>is on your side, right! People with a brain can at least figure out
>who their enemies are.
It's depressing how quickly people have forgotten the layoffs and
unemployment of the Reagan/Bush years. I don't mean
liberal-vs-conservative politics, just how they view things in
general. Reminds me of the old fable about the monkeys that played
whenever it was sunny, then when it rained they agreed they really
needed to build a shelter as soon as the sun was out, but when the
rain stopped they went back to playing instead, and so on forever.
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From: Rex Ballard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: "Re: NT vs *nix performance
Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 03:08:21 -0500
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Amphetamine Bob wrote:
>
> jjs wrote:
>
> > Jon Johanson wrote:
> >
> > Gee, and IBM has the money and has done TPC before and yet they
> don't have a
> > > benchmark using linux. In fact, they use windows 2K even when running their
> > > own database.
>
> No, actually IBM has banned Windows 2000 for all internal use! Yes,
> it is true!
It is true that they once did so. The internel help desk didn't support
Windows 2000
for quite some time after Windows 2000 was released. In addition, IGS
consultants were
only allowed to put Windows 2000 on a spare drive, NOT on their primary
drive.
Eventually this ban was lifted and Windows 2000 is used internally on
T20s and T21s.
Linux is also getting less "official" support, but getting substantial
support as well.
Lotus notes R5 runs under Linux WINE. Several system packages have also
been provided
to support Linux users. In some cases, the AIX team can answer some
Linux questions
(since many AIX professionals use Linux on their laptops and/or
desktops). Generally,
Linux tends to require less telephone support since most of the users
are more sophisticated
and can usually help themselves by accessing available resources
(internal and public).
> > Yes, IBM supports the windows pc line, it is one of their
> > supported OSes, but I think you are somewhat deceived
> > if you think windows is their only concern, Yes, IBM wants
> > to see windows pcs, there's money in it.
>
> It is interesting to note that the PC Division has been losing $1
> billion a year for several years now while OS/2 brings in about a $1
> billion a year. Guess which line IBM tries to kill?
OS/2 has been bringing in $1 billion a year in the last year? At one
time OS/2
was doing very well, but it has more recently been relegated to a server
used to
connect Java clients to APPC networks. Many of these messaging networks
are
being replaced with XML over MQSeries.
> However, they
> > also want to sell mainframes, RS/6000s and AS/400s,
>
> Darn right they do. This is where IBM really makes a lot of money.
> And I mean a lot of money.
Very true. Microsoft doesn't really even try to compete in environments
where compliance
with government regulations and industry standards is compulsory.
Microsoft couldn't even
get LDAP, Kerberos, and PPP right without adding deviations. The result
of course is higher administration costs, higher development costs, and
frustrated customers and employees.
Banks, Insurance Companies, Brokerages, Realtors, and numerous other
industries must
comply with government regulations. Microsoft has evaded government
regulations by
creating or purchasing controllincg interest but not total control of
hundreds of 3rd
string players who are supposed to comply with regulations and
standards, but are
often kept ignorant. The SEC has already investigated Microsoft's
"Holding company"
charachteristics, along with numerous questionable statements made on
10Q and 10K filings..
> --
> Bob - shooting the bozo bit at 550 MHZ :). Wheeeeee! ;)
> Microsoft "Tech Support".
> 1) Re-boot
> 2) Re-boot
> 3) Re-install all your software
> 4) Buy the new release (again)
> 5) Go to 1
--
Rex Ballard
It Architect
http://www.open4success.com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Perry Pip)
Subject: Re: In response to Windows Owns Desktop, Extends Lead in Server Market
Date: 3 Mar 2001 08:15:28 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
When I download a Linux iso image, or install it over the net via
apt-get, does that count as a "shipment"?
On Sat, 03 Mar 2001 02:34:03 -0500,
Rex Ballard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>I just found out that the IDC report measured Linux' 2% in terms of
>revenue. This paints a very different picture. Since Linux costs
>1/10th the price of Windows NT, and costs less than 1/5 the price of
>Windows ME, Linux is actually approaching somewhere between 5 and 10 %
>of the market in terms of unit volumes. This would be much more in line
>with other estimates.
>
>Keep in mind that this would not include Cheap-bytes CDs, givaway CDs,
>CDS included in books, or any other "Free" (unreported as license
>shipments) version of Linux. This would also put the shipment estimate
>closer to around 30 million copies shipped. Should be an interesting
>year
>for companies who are free to offer preinstalled Linux.
>
>Rex Ballard wrote:
>>
>> This one was particularly interesting since it covers all servers, this
>> includes Linux, UNIX, NT, and WindowsNT and includes file and print
>> servers, e-mail servers, and web servers. Notice that Linux with 27%
>> and UNIX with 14% adds up to 41% of the total server market. This also
>> only includes servers not capacities. Solaris systems such as the E-10K
>> have up to 64 nodes, and the S-80 has 64 nodes that are several times
>> faster than equivalent netfinity nodes.
>>
>> Patrick McAllister wrote:
>>
>> > Just posted as an fyi.......
>> >
>> > http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-4979275.html?tag=owv
>>
>> --
>> Rex Ballard
>> It Architect
>> http://www.open4success.com
>
>--
>Rex Ballard
>It Architect
>http://www.open4success.com
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: SSH vulnerabilities - still waiting [ was Interesting article ]
Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 03:20:19 -0500
Mig wrote:
>
> Peter K�hlmann wrote:
>
> > > It is my opinion (and apparently that of other security folks) that
> > > security software must be held to a higher standard and part of
> > > distributing security software is ensuring that users always have
> > > the latest updates and patches rather than just posting them
> > > passively to a site somewhere.
> > >
> >
> > I assume you mean the high standards (snicker) that Micosoft has
> > shown us? Where we don�t get patches for REAL security flaws for
> > weeks, sometimes months.
> >
> > Chad, we all know that you were bathed lots too hot when small.
> > But that you were combed later with a sledgehammer was new.
>
> What about a bet?
> Someone puts a machine on the net running SSH1 and Chad is given the task
> and permission to break in through the Internet.
>
> That should put an end to this silly discussion.
Cool idea.
>
> --
> Cheers
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.c
Subject: Re: Something Seemingly Simple.
Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 03:22:02 -0500
Mark Gordon wrote:
>
> On Tue, 27 Feb 2001 18:16:37 -0500, Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> >Jeff Jacoby wrote:
> >>
> >> On Sat, 24 Feb 2001 14:40:56 +0000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >> > Bloody Viking wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > Edward Rosten ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > : Those are perfectly normal errors: you have no cos function. You need to
> >> > > : link against the maths library as well as #including the header.
> >> > >
> >> > > : gcc -lm ...
> >> > >
> >> > > The "0lm" trick sure did it. Just tested it on another virtual console.
> >> > > Thanks! Fun easier quesation. Why isn't it in degrees as is the standard?
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> > In short, radians are more often used in mathematics. Radians do have
> >> > some useful properties, particularly in keeping formulae simple (eg the
> >> > area of a segment of a circle is rT, where r is the radius and T is the
> >> > angle in radians subtended at the centre, if T is in degrees there is an
> >> > ugly constant involved)
> >>
> >> Another useful property, employed extensively in engineering
> >> to simplify many equations, is that cos(a) ~= 1 and sin(a) ~= a,
> >> when a is small (and in radians).
> >
> >And let's not forget that 2 - 1 = 2 for sufficiently small values of 1.
> >
> >[Alternatively: Lim 2 - 1 = 2 ]
> > 1 -> 0
>
> False. In maths 1 is defined as a specific value, therefor it cannot
> have any other value not tend to a given value. So you are just
> letting your ignorance show again.
>
I'ts a JOKE man.
Have ever heard of the value of a constant changing?
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.c
Subject: Re: Something Seemingly Simple.
Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 03:25:15 -0500
Kelsey Bjarnason wrote:
>
> [snips]
>
> "Aaron Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > > Mr Kulkis, on the other hand, is primarily notable for his excessively
> > > long sig block.
> > >
> > > Newbies should take note accordingly.
> >
> > Can I, or can I not write my own printf() which behaves utterly and
> > completely differently than the printf() in the standard library?
> >
> > a) no
> > B) YES.
>
> c) Maybe.
>
> Specifically, you can certainly write one, but there's absolutely no
> guarantee how - or even *if* - your program will work (or even compile, or
> link) when using it. Which means that from the persepective of "Let's write
> some C code", no, you can't do that, while from the perspective of "The hell
> with writing C code, let's see what my compiler and linker can do" you can
> write it, and it *may* even work - with *that* compiler and *that* linker.
> Any change, such as compiler version, linker version, day of the week,
> optimization settings, change in OS, etc, etc, etc, may have entirely
> different results.
>
> This is about on a par with "Can I drive my car down Main Street while
> wearing a blindfold?" There may, in fact, be occasions where this even
> makes sense, such as if you happen to be a professional show driver and are
> currently giving a show, but in the general case, the answer is a firmly
> resounding "NO!"
>
> FWIW, I actually *did* use a replacement printf() function in some code I
> wrote, way way back. And yes, it did what I wanted.... on that particular
> compiler, configured a *very* particular way.
Thank you for conceding my point that, yes, you CAN write your
own printf.
That which is not strictly prohibited is allowed.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Mircosoft Tax
Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 03:29:24 -0500
Dave wrote:
>
> On 2 Mar 2001 16:13:59 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
> wrote:
>
> >Several Linux HW vendors sell box sets with their products. It's not
> >clear that there is an "OEM price", though there may be (for example,
> >we don't know how much Dell are paying RH)
>
> They're stupid if they're paying them anything at all. Slackware or
> Debian can downloaded for free and installed for free on as many
> systems as Dell wants. Some of the more-commercial distros (possibly
> including RedHat) also don't place any limitation on the number of
> systems you install on.
>
> On the pricing issue, it seems impossible to build a solid case
> without something similar to compare the OS to. Unfortunately MS has
> insured that no comparisons are available - and if there were, the
> argument wouldn't exist in the first place.
>
> The closest example I know of was the short-lived competition between
> DRDOS vs MSDOS. I paid $39 for DRDOS, and IIRC the price at the time
> for the (much-inferior) MSDOS was $69. Rather than competing by
> bringing MSDOS down in price, MS bundled it with Windows 95 and
> increased the cost of Windows 95 roughly $89 over the price of Windows
> 3.x.
Worse than that, they concocted the "Per CPU" licensing scheme,
so that even if you chose to have DRDOS installed in place of
MS-DOS, you were required to pay **MORE** for the system, because
the cost of MSDOS was still figured into the price of your purchase.
[And worse yet, without a line-item on the bill=].
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: Ray Chason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux--First Impressions from a semi-newbie
Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 08:33:09 -0000
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Scott Gardner) wrote:
>On Tue, 27 Feb 2001 07:39:00 -0000, Ray Chason
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Scott Gardner) wrote:
>>
>>>Hardware support is not as good as with Windows. My AGP video card
>>>was supported under X using the generic SVGA driver, but none of the
>>>acceleration options were available.
>>
>>What kind of video card do you have?
>
>It's a Diamond Viper II. Like I said, it works fine with the generic
>SVGA settings, but I had an older Diamond Viper V330 lying around and
>installed it, since the Riva 128 chip was supported directly.
Any video card, other than pre-VGA museum pieces, will work with the
generic settings; but, as you probably noticed, this isn't really
adequate.
A search for 'xfree86 "viper ii"' on Google yielded this page, among
others:
http://www.xfree86.org/archives/xfree86/2000-Oct/0046.shtml
which says that XFree86 3.3.6 supports the Viper II if you call it an
"S3 Savage." Just to be sure, see if you can identify the chipset on
this board. There's usually one chip that's larger than all the others,
is square, and has lots of very tiny pins on each side. What do the
markings on this chip say?
--
--------------===============<[ Ray Chason ]>===============--------------
PGP public key at http://www.smart.net/~rchason/pubkey.asc
Delenda est Windoze
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From: Rex Ballard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: NT vs *nix performance
Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 03:37:56 -0500
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Edward Rosten wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "JS PL" <js@plcom> wrote:
>
> > Say it aint so. You mean people can change their OS even if Windows is
> > pre-installed?? Doesn't that fly in the face of the (failed) "monopoly"
> > courtroom competition strategy that Microsoft's competition was banking
> > on?
>
> Absoloutely not! Whether they use windows or not they STILL have to pay
> for it. How could anything *but* a monopoly manage to enforce that?
Technically, this isn't quite accurate. Several companies did push back
with both
Windows ME and Windows 2000. They had to pay a significantly higher
price and
had to meet rediculous quotas, but technically users who purchase Linux
machines
aren't paying for a copy of Windows.
Of course, according to Judge Jackson's findings of fact, this premium
price was
illegal and a direct violation of the court order, but by the time the
discovery
of the illegal contracts had been made, Judge Jackson had already issued
a stay.
Microsoft is proving how ineffective behavioral remedies will be. At
this moment,
the court has ruled that this behavior is illegal and Microsoft has
continued the
illegal practices anyway. If the appeallate court eventually rules that
such activities
are legal, THEN it would be appropriate for Microsoft to attempt to
resume the practice.
Again, Microsoft is using the letter of the law to violate the spirit
and intent of the
law. Judge Jackson was far too lenient and issued the stay on the
presumption that the case would go directly to the Supreme Court. The
appellate court should uphold the behavioral
remedy and order immediate enforcment (Compliance Officer hired,
signature from executives,
criminal charges to be filed if laws are violated...) and observe
whether or not Microsoft
can obey the intent of the order or not. Linux is accepted as better
(more reliable, secure, stable, efficient, and cost-effective) than
Windows 98 and Windows ME (Debate focuses on
comparisons between Windows 2000 and Linux). Linux costs 1/10th the
price of Windows
in comparable offerings, and yet Microsoft has managed to literally
force CEOs to forfeit
nearly 20% of what could be earnings as royalties. Today, Windows 2000
is the single
most expensive component of the corporate desktop machine. Windows ME
is also the
second most expensive component on the ME desktop and that's only
because Drive capacities
have increased so dramatically.
Unfortunately, Windows is reaching the point of deminishing returns.
Windows 98 provided USB, as does Windows 2000, but that wasn't enough to
trigger record breaking sales that should have
occurred in an industry that is still growing. Windows ME machines
didn't sell well
at all and most users waited for the "Fire Sale" during which a
combination of MSN rebates and panic price reductions intended to
maintain unit volume drove prices to as much as 1/2 the
origanal price, far below the prices required to maintain substantial
profit.
Ironically, the companies that fared the best were the ones that
supported Linux agressively.
IBM did very well because it had already established a
service/consulting based revenue structure. HP and Compaq are trying to
reach that level as well.
Many of the OEMs expected that PC purchases delayed due to Y2K issues
would be picking up
during the following year. Unfortunately, Windows 2000 and ME didn't
unleash pent up demand
and the delays in the Linux 2.4 kernel left many purchasers holding off
until the Linux
2.4 machines were available. I guess customers wanted 16,000 terabyte
files. Actually,
the desktop users wanted USB and FireWire support and the server users
wanted the 64 bit seek.
Server users also wanted the 64 gig memory support.
> -Ed
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