Linux-Advocacy Digest #639, Volume #30 Mon, 4 Dec 00 01:13:05 EST
Contents:
Re: Red hat becoming illegal? ("Chad Myers")
Re: Whistler review. ("kiwiunixman")
Re: how come Dell makes you buy Windows with all their PC's? ("kiwiunixman")
Re: Ok, putting money where my mouth is... (Jerry Kreps)
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux is awful ("kiwiunixman")
Re: Linux is awful ("kiwiunixman")
Commentary on a Windows REinstallation last night (Glitch)
Re: Whistler review. ("Les Mikesell")
Re: Ok, putting money where my mouth is... ("the_blur")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Tom Wilson")
Re: how come Dell makes you buy Windows with all their cheap PC's? (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: OS tree - SOUND OFF! ("kiwiunixman")
Re: Dumbing down linux? ("kiwiunixman")
Re: Red hat becoming illegal? ("Tom Wilson")
Re: Insite into Linux Kernel 2.4 ("kiwiunixman")
Re: Red hat becoming illegal? ("Chad C. Mulligan")
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Red hat becoming illegal?
Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 03:55:48 GMT
"Chris Ahlstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> >
> > Because he was hell-bent on abriding first-amendment rights,
> > limiting the ability of candidates and citizens to publicize
> > their views on election issues, turning over all communication
> > to the leftist Ministries of Propaganda more commonly known as
> > ABC, CBS, CNN and NBC.
>
> I always get a chuckle over references to "the liberal media."
> Although it is true nowadays that these stations now broadcast
> thinly-disquised entertainment under the guise of "news".
You have to almost be blind not to see how Brokaw, Couric, Laurer,
Jennings, and the gang get all wet over Clinton and Gore.
You should've seen how sad Brokaw was when Bush was announced. He
almost had a tear in his eye.
Not to mention when it came out that Florida was too close. He looked
like a little boy on Christmas with his first bicycle.
Please don't make me mention all the times when they would air
Gore-related press briefings and not Bushes, or comments from the
NEWS ANCHORS that were completely unprofessional, let alone biased.
-Chad
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From: "kiwiunixman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 17:16:00 +1300
I have used IRIX, it is very similar to the Desktop layout of Amiga
(automatic mounting for disk inserted in the drive). Also, IRIX uses a more
optimized version of X, as IRIX is more likely to be Workstations than
servers, however, there is nothing stopping someone using it as a server
(one site that comes to mind is http://www.nzoom.com).
kiwiunixman
The Ghost In The Machine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, javelina
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote
> on Wed, 29 Nov 2000 08:07:24 GMT
> <902dfr$c8t$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >Ayende Rahien wrote:
> >
> >> Can't say I ever saw an IRIX, do you mind
> >> telling why you think it's better?
> >
> >Because the icon of a core dump looks like
> >a crushed Cadillac with tailfins.
>
> Uh huh. <grin>
>
> Not that I use IRIX, myself. On KDE, core files look like
> yellow bombs with X'ed eyes and a mouth with a tongue hanging out.
> Or maybe that was Gnome; I forget now.
>
> On another system -- HP/UX CDE -- core files are
> little exploded firecrackers.
>
> (Why it matters, I don't know. Don't like the icon? Change it.
> I don't know the details for KDE, but it shouldn't be that difficult.)
>
> NT of course doesn't have core files. It just has BSOD's. :-) :-)
>
> >
> >
> >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> >Before you buy.
>
>
> --
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- insert random misquote here
> up 77 days, 15:16, running Linux.
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From: "kiwiunixman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: how come Dell makes you buy Windows with all their PC's?
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 17:25:45 +1300
Unfortunately, thats only in the o'l US of A, here in NZ, its the same price
with and without Windows, so If you order a machine, it will cost 3400 with
Windows, and 3400 with out, when I got my machine pre-loaded with Winblows,
I gave the copy of Windows 98SE to my parents for their PeeCee.
kiwiunixman
Donovan Rebbechi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Sat, 02 Dec 2000 18:26:18 -0500, jtnews wrote:
> >How come Dell bundles Windows with every PC?
>
> They don't. http://www.dell.com/linux
>
> >Same goes for all the other manufacturers.
>
>
> http://www.aslab.com
> http://www.penguincomputing.com
> http://www.thelinuxstore.com
> ....
>
> --
> Donovan Rebbechi * http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/ *
> elflord at panix dot com
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From: Jerry Kreps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Ok, putting money where my mouth is...
Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 22:31:28 -0600
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Nice 'resume'. You are very talented!
the_blur wrote:
> Ok guys, I'm trying to come up with a non-goofy pinguino (readers of my
> "Is design really that overrated?" article will know what this means), I
> know it's possible, because they are graceful and pretty when they swim.
>
> Anyway (as a pet project), I'm coming up with an umbrella pinguino logo
> (maybe to stamp on boxes of approved / compliant hardware)
>
> After I finish this, I'm tackling that water buffalo-looking thing the
> free software foundation uses.
>
> Here is the early "alpha source" =)
>
> http://pages.infinit.net/outcasts/pinguinos.html
>
> If anyone wants to lend me a hand, drop me a line.
>
> NOTE: The usage of the spanish word pinguino is deliberate, to give that
> latin charm to what otherwise would be a little, fat, clumsy, shuffling
> creature of the antarctic climates. And don't try to tell me there are
> pinguinos in the Galapagos! The prettiest are Rockhoppers and Emperors!
> which sort attacked Linus BTW? Anyone know?=)
>
>
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Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 02:20:43 GMT
Aaron R. Kulkis writes:
>>>> Tom Wilson writes:
>>>>>> Aaron R. Kulkis writes:
>>>>>>>> Donovan Rebbechi writes:
>>>>>>>>> The movement keys are placed sensibly in vi (hjkl),
>>>>>>>> Which is not intuitive. First-time vi users, if they try to do
>>>>>>> Big fucking deal. NOTHING about computers is "intuitive"
>>>>>> Incorrect; consider the power switch.
>>>>> You'd be surprised....
>>>>> Never underestimate the idiot factor.
>>>> We're talking about intuition, not incompetence.
>>> Put an electric appliance in front of somebody who has never
>>> used an electric appliance before, and you'll learn that there
>>> is absolutely NOTHING intuitive about on/off switches.
>> Once again, you're hypothesizing a situation that precludes
>> intuition.
Note: no response.
>>> They are merely FAMILIAR, not intuitive.
>> How is an electric appliance familiar to someone who has never
>> used an electic appliance before?
> PRECISELY,
Precisely why your analogy fails. You're going outside the relevant
group, namely those who use electrical appliances. Just because some
hypothetical "primitive tribesman" won't find a power switch intuitive
doesn't mean that nobody can find a power switch to be intuitive.
Familiarity does not have to be universal before something can be
intuitive to someone.
> shit-head
You must really be hurting for a logical argument.
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From: "kiwiunixman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is awful
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 17:37:27 +1300
Thats why I haven't seen it in New Zealand being advertised as the Commerice
Commission would rake MacMillan and the reseller over the coals for faulsely
advertisely a product (by definition of the Fair Trading Act).
kiwiunixman
<snip>
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From: "kiwiunixman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is awful
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 17:39:48 +1300
Correct me if I am wrong, but what I understand you are saying is that Linux
is great however, there are some quirks that need to be fixed up, and the
GUI needs to be refined a little more before the mainstream user jumps on
the bandwagon. Correct?
kiwiunixman
Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:WnWV5.1587$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Spicerun wrote:
>
> > Seem to be? He has established himself as a Wintroll. It would have
been
> > one thing if Goodwin had made constructive criticisms about Linux
complete
> > with constructive suggestions about making it a better OS <without
turning
> > it into Windows>, but instead all his criticisms of Linux (in one form
or
> > another) are all about how Linux isn't working like his beloved
> > Windows.....and then has the nerve to tell us how Linux should be
changed
> > to look and act more like Windows. Forget it, it isn't going to happen
> > for now.
>
> Now where did I ever say I wanted Linux like Windows? Or for Linux to look
> and act like Windows? I never said that. I'll thank you not to put words
in
> my mouth
>
> --
> Pete, running KDE2 on Linux Mandrake 7.2
>
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Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2000 23:46:59 -0500
From: Glitch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Commentary on a Windows REinstallation last night
Hello,
i had the fortunate experience last night of reinstalling Windows98. I
have to say that after experiencing Linux installs and going back to a
Windows install left me basically wondering why I even put up with it
(but i have got programs that only work in Windows so i have to put up
withit for now).
The initial time frame said 30-60 minutes until the process was done.
After the screen was updated the time jumped to 87 minutes. HOw MS could
approximate time that far off is beyond me. If anything I'd tell users
90 minutes so at least they wouldn't sink in their seats when the
timespan went up instead of down.
After waiting for the files to copy it tried to configure PnP hardware.
Afterwards I had to reboot of course. Then it goes into Windows I
believe after this setting up the Menus and various other things if I
recall correctly. Also, if I recall correctly it tried to setup other
hardware that I had as well. For some reason though I had to install my
ATI drivers, my sound drivers, my Adaptec 2930u2 driver, my dvdrom
driver, my modem driver, and my NIC driver. But before all that was
actually accomplished the system froze on the first or 2nd device it was
setting things up for, which of course I had to reboot in order to get
out of.
Eventually i got to get all my drivers in and I got to sit through 5-10
reboots. I forget how many exactly. I did try to save time rebooting
byinstalling 3 devices at once and then rebooting. That did help
somewhat.
After about the 4th reboot I believe I lost my sound(which is what
happened the first time I installed Win98; this was my 2nd
installation). Windows feels it necessary to mute my Wave device every
single time I boot. Don't ask me why. I'm still struggling to get my
Dvd working (which was fine under Win95). Windows sometimes sees it,
sometimes it doesn't "feel" like it and therefore I can't watch movies
whenever I want to.
Now as for the comparison betweeen windows and Linux. I wonder why it
takes 3 reboots to get Windows up and running so you can use it when it
only takes Linux once? And after those 3 reboots you still have to
configure your hardware by installing drivers. When I install Suse Linux
i can configure my modem and my video card during the installation. For
some reason I can't do that in Windows even though there is a step where
it supposedly 'configures' your hardware. Plus, on an initial install u
won't have much to do with Windows. At least with Linux I had a ton of
utilities already on the system as well as some games I could try out.
Given they aren't games like Quake or C&C but then again Windows doesn't
come with those either. Actually, Windows doesn't come with anything
really useful, besides an OS that likes to act like a web browser and
vice versa.
I know one thing. If I have to do this again I'm not putting Windows
back on this drive. The Windows isntall was pathetic compared to a
Linux install. I was asking myself why it had to reboot 3 times when
Linux doesn't, among various other things.
well, there is my rant.
have fun with it
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 04:50:12 GMT
"Chad C. Mulligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:_ClW5.38879$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
>
> Your inhouse problems aside. www.microsoft.com is using it according to
> their on-line documentation about it. IIRC their was a version for NT4
> server available for download.
One of the vendors of hardware load balancers mentioned Microsoft
as a customer. This could have just been their global DNS redirector
fixing things so you don't have to pick the download site near you
anymore, but I doubt it. It is too bad they block pings - WLBS only
isolates TCP connections. If you ping (ICMP) the address, all of the
servers will answer and if you have a ping program that reports duplicates
you can see how many there are.
The downloadable WLBS add-on was specified as being for NT
advanced server only. It might physically work in the standard
server version but I don't think it would be allowed by the license.
Also, before SP6a, NT was not stable with our application so
we started rolling out on win2k.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "the_blur" <the_blur_oc@*removespamguard*hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Ok, putting money where my mouth is...
Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 23:36:42 -0500
> Nice 'resume'. You are very talented!
Thanks Jerry, I aim to please =)
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From: "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 05:04:42 GMT
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:hdzW5.8511$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Tom Wilson writes:
>
> >>> Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
>
> >>>> Tom Wilson wrote:
>
> >>>>> I wrote:
>
> >>>>>> Aaron R. Kulkis writes:
>
> >>>>>>>> Donovan Rebbechi writes:
>
> >>>>>>>>> The movement keys are placed sensibly in vi (hjkl),
>
> >>>>>>>> Which is not intuitive. First-time vi users, if they try to do
>
> >>>>>>> Big fucking deal. NOTHING about computers is "intuitive"
>
> >>>>>> Incorrect; consider the power switch.
>
> >>>>> You'd be surprised....
> >>>>> Never underestimate the idiot factor.
>
> >>>> The power switch is NOT "intuitive"
> >>>>
> >>>> Proof: put a primative tribesman in a room with electric appliances
> >>>> and tell him to start the things into operation.
>
> >>> I'm in agreement.
>
> >> You shouldn't be. His example doesn't represent proof for a power
> >> switch not being intuitive.
>
> > I'm agreeing that my choice of "idiot" was wrong.
>
> But Aaron didn't say that your choice of "idiot" was wrong.
He did that very thing by intimating the situation to be a question of
intuitiveness as opposed to stupidity.
>
> > The hypothesis, strange as it is, points it out. It's a matter of
> > experience and environment, not intellect.
>
> "Experience" is the word I used for it. Someone else chose "familiarity".
>
> > I used the word idiot because I had been trouble-shooting over
> > the phone to complete morons that evening and had a dim view of
> > humanity as a result.
>
> Someone who couldn't find the "any" key on the keyboard?
Worse. This was an professional moron.
An old Novell customer who consistantly forgets his Administrator password.
He's STILL running Novell 3.12 which is good, in a way, because you can hack
into console debug mode and trick it into believing all system passwords
have time-expired. That way he can log on as Administrator and get prompted
for a new one.
Ever tried to talk someone, who constantly interrupts and thinks he knows
everything, through hacking Novell from the debug console?
I would have done it myself, but, he lives 600 miles away.
>
> >>> The language I used, in hindsight, was wrong.
>
> >> That doesn't justify your agreement.
>
> > How do you figure? I was agreeing that my wording was off track and
> > Aaron's post had pointed that out.
>
> Aaron's post wasn't pointing to your wording. He was simply repeating
> his claim that the power switch was not intuitive.
He was pointing to my wording's intent - That it was a question of
intellegence.
>
> >>> Read: Never underestimate the ignorance factor.
> >>>
> >>> I used "idiot" because i'ts been one of those nights...
>
> >> Go to the store. Buy a lamp. Take it home. Do you consult a manual
> >> to find out what to do with the cord? I hope not. Yet the
hypothesized
> >> "primative tribesman" could have no idea what the cord is for. Does
that
> >> prove that the power cord is not intuitive?
>
> > Oh for God's sake!
>
> Which presupposes the existence of God.
Yep, you're anal....
>
> > His hypothesis was extreme, yes. However, it makes a valid point
regarding
> > experience.
>
> On the contrary, it ignores the essential element of intuitive design,
> which involves experience with similar items. If someone states something
> about trees, you don't go to a desert and then proclaim the statement
about
> trees to be wrong.
You watched a lot of Kung Fu as a kid, didn't you?
You sound like a fortune cookie.
>
> > You're bordering on anal retention, i'm afraid.
>
> How ironic.
--
Tom Wilson
Registered Linux User #194021
Also...
NT 4.0 User
Win 95/98 User
They're operating systems...Not religions
GET A LIFE!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Subject: Re: how come Dell makes you buy Windows with all their cheap PC's?
Date: 4 Dec 2000 05:17:20 GMT
On Sun, 03 Dec 2000 20:35:58 -0500, jtnews wrote:
>Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
>
>> IOW, it was a binary-only driver which didn't work OOTB with major
>> Linux distributions.
>
>what is IOW?
"In other words".
>I don't mind if I have to tweak linux to get it to work on the hardware.
>As long as there is a way to get it to work.
But do you expect Dell to ship machines that do not work ? And do you think
it's not hypocritical to give Dell Windows machines your dollar vote and
at the same time whine about their lack of Linux support ? You're giving
them a disincentive to preload linux by sending a decisive message to
them that they don't need to bother preloading Linux.
>Intel Celeron 600/FC[INTCEL600/FC]/$118.00
>Asus CUV4X Motherboard[ASUCUV4X/533]/$151.00
This motherboard is probably better than the one on the Dimension-L.
The Dimension-L has a small case and a small motherboard.
>HP CD-Writer Plus 9340I (32/10/4)[HPC4492B#ABA]/$266.00
If you're after a cheap machine, why set aside 30% of the budget
for this ? BTW, it's unfair to compare this to Dells since you don't
even know that the one on the Dell works.
>InWin V500AU Micro-ATX Enclosure[INWIW-V500AU]/$45.00
This case will give you more breathing room than the Dell case.
The Dimension-L comes in a tiny case.
>This configuration still doesn't beat my configuration
>with Dell plus my extra peripherals that I will add on.
Apples and oranges. You don't even know that the CD-RW that comes
with the Dell will work.
> I'm also planning on buying a linksys 10/100 PCI ethernet card for $14
> and a Western Digital 45GB Caviar drive for $133 dollars, plus
> crucial.com
> (Micron) SDRAM 128MB for $71.09.
So IOW, you're building half of the Dell machine yourself. Why not
just by a bare bones system, then build the whole thing ?
And if you're allowed to build half the system on your own with Dell,
why use a different set of rules with the cgallery machine ?
--
Donovan Rebbechi * http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/ *
elflord at panix dot com
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From: "kiwiunixman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: OS tree - SOUND OFF!
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 18:24:13 +1300
1st Computer: BBC Micro w/ 32K memory + 360k 5.25 Floppy Disk drive
2nd Computer: Atari 2600
3rd Computer: Amiga 500 w/ 2 880k 3 1/2 (9cm) disk, 512k mem (later updraded
to 1.5MB), 7.2Mhz Processor, Kickstart version 1.3, Workbench 1.3.2,
Kindwords, Crazy Cars, Fusion Paint, minigolf, Mortal Combat (both I and
II), Street Fighter (I and II), mouse, joystick and 35.5 cm Colour Monitor.
4th Computer: Pentium 75 w/8MB Ram, 850MB HDD, 35.5 cm screen, kb, mouse,
Winblows, Works and Encarta
5th Computer: Pentium 550 w/ 128MB Ram, 10Gig HDD, SuSE Linux 7.0 Pro.
Hypothetical 6th Computer: eith SGI O2 or SUN Ultra Sparc 5.
kiwiunixman
<snip>
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From: "kiwiunixman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Dumbing down linux?
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 18:39:03 +1300
There was the same type of article in the Linux Journal. The people who
manly proclaim this "GUI dumb's down linux", are generally users with an
inferiority complex with the belief of, "if ya can't use a CLI, ya shouldn't
use a computer" mentality. I use both GUI and CLI, both have their place,
and neither one can replace the other.
kiwiunixman
mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I have read a few things on this group and I am curious. There seems to
> be a consensus that RedHat is dumbing down Linux. I am using it, and it
> has all the things I need. I can still configure it from vi when I need
> too. It doesn't seem to be missing things from previous releases, with
> the exception of "glint" and I don't think I've seen that since 5.2.
>
> KDE and Gnome have added a lot of more <euphemism> user friendly
> </euphemism> applets, but it is not as if they are replacing more hard
> core tools with the prettier ones. They are simply adding.
>
> So how are they "dumbing it down?"
> --
> http://www.mohawksoft.com
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From: "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Red hat becoming illegal?
Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 05:42:26 GMT
"Chris Ahlstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Tom Wilson wrote:
> >
> > "Feminists like to set the pace for how women like Mrs. Clinton are
judged,
> > correct? Well, in recent weeks feminist writers for The Washington Post
and
> > other news outlets have told us that we ought to judge Katherine Harris
by
> > her eyelashes, makeup and wardrobe, and decide based on these criteria
that
> > she cannot be trusted. So it's apparently okay, once again, to judge a
> > female politician based on her looks, figure, clothes or makeup. This
makes
> > me think of something we can now say about Mrs. Clinton. In line with
the
> > feminists, I want to be the first to go on record as asserting that we
> > cannot believe anything Hillary Clinton says, because she has a big
broad
> > beam and elephant ankles - and I want to thank the feminists of America
for
> > agreeing with me. "
> >
> > -- Rush Limbaugh
>
> To hell with Rush. He's an idiot.
> I think the kids in school used to pummel his
> corpulent frame every chance they got,
> and steal his lunch money, and play keep-away
> with his earmuffs.
>
> I'll bet even Bill Gates thinks Rush is stupid.
I'm sure Bill Gates doesn't give him a second thought.<g>
Rush is loud, obnoxious, pompous, opinionated and , more often than not,
absolutely right in what he says.
--
Tom Wilson
A Computer Programmer who wishes he'd chosen another vocation.
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From: "kiwiunixman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Insite into Linux Kernel 2.4
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 18:50:00 +1300
<snip>
> Reverend Paul Colquhoun, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Universal Life Church http://andor.dropbear.id.au/~paulcol
> -=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-
> xenaphobia: The fear of being beaten to a pulp by
> a leather-clad, New Zealand woman.
Have you seen "Once were Worriors"? :)
kiwiunixman
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From: "Chad C. Mulligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Red hat becoming illegal?
Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 06:08:22 GMT
"Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:n%DW5.9403$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "Chad C. Mulligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:r2zW5.41622$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
<trimmed>
> >
> > As opposed to investigating the links between the comunist chinese and
GHWB
> > Sr. in relation to the granting of Favored Nation Trading Status shortly
> > after Tienenman Square.
>
> Or Clinton granting them permanent MFN status on the anniversary of it?
>
> China had had MFN status for awhile. GHWB bowed to the corporations, yes,
> but at least he didn't completely sell out the entire nation and its
> security like Bill Clinton has. Clinton has not only given them perm. MFN,
> but also given them sattelite missle tracking capability, thus giving them
> ICBMs which are targeted at San Fransico, thank you very little. He's
given
> them many more missle and deployment technologies. He's ensured the Lippo
> Group's domminance in markets such as low-sulfur coal (Federal park in the
> middle of the desert in Utah, give me a break!), millitary equipment, and
> espionage (Los Alamos!?!). It's a far cry from the precedent that GHWB
> followed to the precedent that Clinton is setting.
>
In the immortal words of Pete Townsend.
In with the new boss,
Same as the old boss,
> > > 3) Exposure of their fear-tactics to be nothing but lies.
> > > Democrats have been claiming for years that if the Republicans
> > > get power, that the result will be concentration camps for
> > > blacks, and elderly kicked out into the streets to starve to death.
> > >
> > > 4) Republican control of the education system, resulting in reforms
> > > that start to re-introduce actual EDUCATION in inner city schools.
> > >
> >
> > By removing any funding for the systems. Good choice that one.
>
> Typical Democratic fear tactics. "The children will starve without
> school lunch programs!". Give me a frickin' break.
>
I'd rather give them an education.
> Tell me, where did the $5 billion that the DOE lost go? Is GWB supposed
> to continue pumping money into a corrupt and hopelessly unmanageable
> institution?
>
Junior isn't going to do anything off his own bat. Daddy and friends will
be pulling the strings in the background. The only reason he's running
instead of Jeb is that he's not smart enough to fix the election in Texas.
> Earnst & Young, financial experts, were recruited to investigate and
> account for the missing $5 billion. They gave up after only a few weeks
> saying that the books were so poorly kept, that a full investigation
> was impossible as there were no records. The GAO was sent in to try
> to make heads or tails and they probably won't be able to find anything
> at all.
>
> All GWB is proposing is accountability for schools, government offices,
> and the people who hold those offices.
>
> Unfortunately, liberal Democrats are horribly scared of this because
> accountability is a dirty word to corrupt Democrats.
>
> > > 5) They know that Republicans want to get blacks INTO the work force.
> > > More self-sufficient blacks means fewer parasites who vote straight
> > > ticket Demoncrook. Democrat strategy is based on maintaining a large
> > > population of people who are kept impoverished so that they can lure
> > > people to the voting booth with promises for more and more handouts.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > At least Buchanan was honest enough to run on the true RACIST GOP
agenda.
>
> Ah yes... the race card. It always comes out with the liberals.
>
Buchanan was playing it pretty heavily.
> Conservatives want to break everyone's dependence on the government as a
> source of life. They want people to be self sufficient and independent.
>
> Minorities should be proud of what the GOP's goal intends. If the
> minorities were to ever stand up, fight, educate themselves, and assert
> themselves (peacefully) in business and politics, they would be a real
> force to be reconded with. It is the liberals who are content to keep
> the minorities down, spoon feed them and make them lazy and dependent.
> In this dependent state, they have no recourse but to do whatever the
> liberals say, because if they don't, their livelyhood would be cut.
>
> The smartest thing a minority person could do, would be to vote for
> a conservative.
>
> -Chad
>
>
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