Linux-Advocacy Digest #683, Volume #30 Wed, 6 Dec 00 08:13:05 EST
Contents:
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever (Giuliano Colla)
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever (Giuliano Colla)
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: LINUX ROCKS AND WINDOWS SUCKS ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Linux is awful (JM)
Re: Windows review (JM)
Re: LINUX ROCKS AND WINDOWS SUCKS (JM)
Re: Of course, there is a down side... (JM)
Re: OS Installation Help? (JM)
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever (Chris Ahlstrom)
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 07:10:42 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Aaron R. Kulkis writes:
>
> >>>> Steve Mading writes:
>
> >>>>> Tim Smith wrote:
>
> >>>>>> Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
>
> >>>>>>> I wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>> Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>>> Big fucking deal. NOTHING about computers is "intuitive"
>
> >>>>>>>> Incorrect; consider the power switch.
>
> >>>>>>> Only to those with previous experience with power switches.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Put a computer in front of a person from a remote village which
> >>>>>>> has no electrical service, and let's see how "intuitive" the
> >>>>>>> power switch is.
>
> >>>>>> OK, now you are getting silly. Give those villagers electricity, and
> >>>>>> all the usual electrical applicances other than computers, and let them
> >>>>>> become comfortable with them, THEN give them a computer. The power switch
> >>>>>> on the computer will be intuitive to them.
>
> >>>>> This demonstrates the point, actually. It's "intuative" only
> >>>>> because it's similar to what was already learned.
>
> >>>> Why do you say "only"? It's quite sufficient to justify use of the
> >>>> term "intuitive".
>
> >>>>> At some point, it *did* have to be learned because it was not
> >>>>> intuative *yet*.
>
> >>>> The whole point of designing something that is intuitive is to
> >>>> avoid the need to "come up the learning curve". That is, you
> >>>> intentionally try to use something familiar, something that has
> >>>> already been learned, so that you don't have to learn something
> >>>> new. One of the impediments to the adoption of new things is
> >>>> the "can't teach an old dog new tricks" syndrome.
>
> >>>>> If you show someone how to use vi who *hasn't* used a different
> >>>>> sort of editor yet, it's not as difficult to teach it to them.
>
> >>>> The fact that it needs to be learned is what makes something not
> >>>> intuitive.
>
> >>>>> The difficulty comes from assuming incorrectly that it should
> >>>>> behave exactly the same as some other company's editor.
>
> >>>> However, if you've used several screen editors and they all behave
> >>>> in such a way that the pressing of a letter key either overwrites
> >>>> or inserts that letter into the text, then vi's "every letter is a
> >>>> command" approach will not be intuitive.
>
> >>>>> Vi is *different*, which makes it harder to learn,
>
> >>>> It also makes it not intuitive.
>
> >>>>> but this difference is also the source of its incredible speed at
> >>>>> the hands of an experienced user (fingers don't lose the home-row
> >>>>> keys - everything complex can be done without moving your right
> >>>>> hand over to the 'special' keys, and this makes a gigantic
> >>>>> difference in typing speed.)
>
> >>>> Power is not the issue here. You'd get greater adoption of the
> >>>> editor if there wasn't a steep learning curve. If the only way
> >>>> you can get power is to force a steep learning curve, then the
> >>>> authors should be prepared to accept slow adoption.
>
> >>>>> There's that, and the powerful commands that only take a
> >>>>> few keystrokes, like ">%" to indent a squiggly-brace section, or
> >>>>> "d$" to delete to end-of-line, and so on. They are not
> >>>>> instinctive to the new user,
>
> >>>> As someone else pointed out, there is a difference betweeen
> >>>> instinct and intuition. The discussion is about the latter.
>
> >>>>> but they *are* internally consistent, so picking up new commands
> >>>>> is intuative to someone who has the basics.
>
> >>>> Not necessarily. Having learned that every letter key is a command
> >>>> won't necessarily help you identify which letter is used for which
> >>>> command.
>
> >>>>> (d-something means delete it, and '$' means end-of line,
>
> >>>> It also means end of file. Try :$ and see where it takes you.
>
> >>>>> therefore 'd$' means delete to end-of-line
>
> >>>> Why shouldn't someone think that it could mean delete to the end of
> >>>> the file?
>
> >>>>> - it's internally consisent,
>
> >>>> End of line and end of file are not that consistent. At least they
> >>>> both mean "end".
>
> >>>>> and thus very fast to build upon your knowlege once you
> >>>>> get over the hump of initial contact with it.)
>
> >>>> If you find that some new command is intuitive after having learned
> >>>> several other commands, then there is something about computers that
> >>>> is intuitive, contrary to Aaron's claim.
>
> >>> You don't have to specifically learn "d$" to synthesize if
> >>> from previous knowledge.
>
> >> What previous knowledge tells you the function of "d$"?
>
> > it's similar to "dw" and "dG"
>
> Are you claiming it's intuitive, Aaron, after claiming that nothing
> about computers is intuitive?
>
> >>> Conversely, the use of an on/off switch canNOT be intuitive,
>
> >> Incorrect, given that I have personally witnessed first-time users
> >> knowing what to do with a power switch, even without consulting a
> >> manual.
>
> > Were these first-time electrical-device users?
>
> Irrelevant, given that the topic of discussion is the power switch of
> a computer, Aaron. Or did you forget that already?
>
> > A) yes
> > B) no
>
> "Have you stopped beating your wife? Yes or no."
>
> >>> as the use of such cannot be synthesized from previous knowledge.
>
> >> Obviously incorrect, given that I've witnessed first-time users
> >> knowing what to do with a power switch, even without consulting a
> >> manual.
>
> > Was this the first time that they ever used an electrical appliance?
>
> Irrelevant, given that the topic of discussion is the power switch of
> a computer, Aaron. Or did you forget that already?
>
> > A) yes
> > B) no
>
> "Have you stopped beating your wife? Yes or no."
Have you stopped giving head to the Dean of Students at U of Hawaii?
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 07:11:26 -0500
Steve Mading wrote:
>
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> : The fact that it needs to be learned is what makes something not
> : intuitive.
>
> By that standard, the only intuative interface is the nipple.
> After that everything is learned.
>
> The insistency that things should be similar to things that you
> already know, when taken to the extreme, prevents all progress.
Precisely. Which is why all claims that any sort of computer
software is "intuitive" is a crock of shit.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 07:12:43 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> >>>>> "tholen" == tholen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> tholen> The fact that it needs to be learned is what makes
> tholen> something not intuitive.
>
> So, walking and talking are intuitive, aren't they?
No, they aren't.
Walking is a skill.
The use of langauge in any form is an even more complex skill.
[If you don't believe me...go to a foreign country where you
don't know the local language, and see how "intuitive" talking is].
>
> --
> Lee Sau Dan ���u��(Big5) ~{@nJX6X~}(HZ)
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> | e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.csis.hku.hk/~sdlee |
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--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: Giuliano Colla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 12:13:48 GMT
"T. Max Devlin" wrote:
>
> Said Christopher L. Estep in alt.destroy.microsoft on Mon, 04 Dec 2000
> >"Nigel Feltham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:90h8b7$110de$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> >You mean "each and ever trifling configuration change"
> >>
> >> Thanks for correcting my mistake Aaron.
> >>
> >> I guess the CTRL-ALT-DEL to logon on NT is on of ms's in-jokes at their
> >> gullible customers.
> >
> >This unalterable (at least in NT 4) way of forcing identification is
> >actually a strength in the NT security model.
>
> (C) Copyright One Microsoft Way, 1998, All Rights Reserved.
>
> >You can (and most companies do) lock down terminals (or Linux/UNIX boxes) in
> >similar fashion.
>
> [>Note to self: send bill to Microsoft for 36 words * .05 = $1.80]
>
5 cents a word was what Isaac Asimov was getting for his SF
novels from "Astounding" in the 40's.
I believe that SF tariffs have kept up with the inflation,
so I'd suggest to revise the contract terms before sending
the bill!
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From: Giuliano Colla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 12:21:20 GMT
Anonymous wrote:
>
What's happened? Tired to receive tons of spam?
May I suggest you to become T. Max Anonymous?
It would help tracing your postings on deja archives!
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 07:21:22 -0500
Tore Lund wrote:
>
> Bill Vermillion wrote:
> >
> > One of the reasons that Wang - one of the early word processor
> > manufacturers - had all the function keys on the top of the
> > keyboard - and like so many editor have a this - as that it was
> > designed for people who used typewriters.
>
> Did they ever try another approach? I doubt that very strongly. They
> just dumbed down their user interface in order to play safe.
>
> > Many people have a hard time adjust to modal editors just because
> > of this. If I press 'i' I either get 'i' on the screen or
> > I'm placed in 'insert' mode if had pressed Escacpe to enter command
> > mode.
>
> Some indicator that showed which mode you are in would have been a
> help. The lack of things like that in vi is, well, fairly typical of
> programmers.
>
> > vi being modal means you never have to remove you keys from the
> > keyboard - and that is one argument I hear against vi. Modal
> > editors are almost a natural fit for programmers, and go against
> > everything a person has ever learned if they came from the
> > typewriter school way of thinking.
>
> I am not so sure about that. I went to a typewriter school, and I was
> downright furious when the cursor key pad was introduced. Much better
> to have a scheme where you did not have to take your hands off the home
> rows. I am sure plenty of other touch typists felt the same way.
>
> On the old telex machines we had three bars where the space bar is:
>
> +--------------------+ +--------------------+ +--------------------+
> | Letters | | Space | | Signs and numbers |
> +--------------------+ +--------------------+ +--------------------+
>
> So we operated these with our thumbs in order to switch between
> different "cases". What I wanted to see on electronic keyboards was
> something like this:
>
> +--------------------+ +--------------------+ +--------------------+
> | Alt | | Space | | Alt-Gr |
> +--------------------+ +--------------------+ +--------------------+
>
> I believe the Alt key was not invented at that time, but never mind the
> names. It was natural for us to want a keyboard where you would press
> Alt-left with your left thumb while doing commands with your right hand
> fingers and vice versa for right thumb/left hand fingers. This would
> give you a rich command set that did not conflict with the principles of
> touch typing.
>
> Even the puny Alt keys introduced by IBM can be operated by the thumbs,
> which is what I do in my own editor. I wonder why this has not caught
> on.
>
> The old control key to the left of A, on the other hand, can only be
> used with right hand commands if you want to stick to the principles of
> touch typing. The command sets of Emacs or WordStar with its ^A, ^E,
> etc. are crazy and anti-ergonomic as far as I am concerned. And the
> same holds for the Microsoft buffer commands: ^Z, ^X, ^C, ^V.
>
> The control key may have been the only way to get things done on earlier
> keyboards. Today it lives on mainly due to conservatism. Besides, this
> key has MOVED... but Unix programmers have not yet noticed.
I did.
When they stopped buying LSI ADM-5 series terminals at Purdue,
and started buying IBM-PC type keyboards, it was a nightmare.
> --
> Tore
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 07:24:28 -0500
Russ Lyttle wrote:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > Steve Mading writes:
> >
> > >> Why are you citing evidence that destroys your argument, Aaron?
> > >> Familiarity (or experience, to use my word for it) does not have
> > >> to be universal before something can be declared "intuitive".
> > >> Here's a good rule of thumb: if you need to consult the manual,
> > >> it's not intuitive.
> >
> > > Everyone has to "consult the manual" (or a friend, or the on-line
> > > help) at some point early in their learning process.
> >
> > I know some first-time computer users that did not need to consult
> > the manual or a friend to know what to do with the power cord, for
> > example.
> >
> I have earned a lot of money plugging in power cords for people. The
> first electronics job I had was making calls to fix TV sets. About half
> the time the problem was the power cord wasn't plugged in. I learned
> very quickly not to just plug in the cord and send a bill for $50. I
The Feynman school of safe-cracking...
> would futz around a while, take the back off, look intent. Then put the
> back on and plug it in.
> When PCs came out, there were more power cords not to be plugged in and
> thus more business.
> >>SNIP<<
> --
> Russ Lyttle, PE
> <http://www.flash.net/~lyttlec>
> Not Powered by ActiveX
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: LINUX ROCKS AND WINDOWS SUCKS
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 07:27:39 -0500
the_blur wrote:
>
> > and micro$oft Winbugs is a big shit
> > and Bill Gays is a son of the bitch !!!
>
> Bill Gates Gave 21 Million dollars (I think, this could be more I'm not
> sure) of his personal money to charity this year. He's a good man, what us
> linuxfolk think of him doesn't matter much. He wants to give away 21 BILLION
> dollars to charity during his life.
>
> (If you're wondering, I just saw the report on CBS about him)
So, Bill is planning on living for another 1,000 years?
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JM)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux is awful
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 10:33:31 GMT
On Tue, 05 Dec 2000 22:01:48 -0500, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
(Curtis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (JM) posted:
>
>| >As for unix system of a single root -- I have swapped components, drives,
>| >partitions blah, blah and what not -- I don't even need to touch one single
>| >configuration file (except maybe for /etc/fstab), because I can mount the
>| >new partition at exactly the same place as the old partition was.
>|
>| Nah: I love the fun involved when Windows play musical chairs with the
>| drives. Once when I made a new partition, I had to go back through ALL
>| my shortcuts changing them to the new drive letter.
>In Win2k, creating a new partition doesn't disturb the pre-existing
>drive letter assignments. There'll be no need to remap shortcuts for
>that.
But I'm not using Win2k, I'm using 98.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JM)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Windows review
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 10:33:32 GMT
On Tue, 05 Dec 2000 20:56:47 -0500, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
("Colin R. Day" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>JM wrote:
>
>
>> >of the time.
>> >
>> >
>> >True; RAM is dirt-cheap today (I personally recommend 128 MB as a "floor")
>>
>> Cheap? What planet are you living on? It's extremely expensive!
>>
>
>The cards I've seen at Office Depot are a little over a dollar a megabyte.
And you call that cheap? That would mean 128MB would cost about
$130!!!
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JM)
Subject: Re: LINUX ROCKS AND WINDOWS SUCKS
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 10:33:33 GMT
On Wed, 6 Dec 2000 00:55:55 -0500, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
("the_blur" <the_blur_oc@*removespamguard*hotmail.com>) wrote:
>
>> Yes and I bet you believe he will be PENNY LESS after this,
>> joing the church and become a nun in India!
>
>Of course not, but charity being what it is, and capitalism being what it
>is, never forget that he's giving a hell of a lot more than we are and
>helping a hell of a lot more people than we are AND HE'S NOT OBLIGATED IN
>ANY WAY TO DO SO. Get it? He gives because he's a nice guy. Trying to
>dehumanize him because you don't have his money/power or whatever it is you
>covet changes nothing. 21 billion is a large sum of money, no one said you
>had to make yourself pennyless to be a charitable person.
That doesn't take away the fact that he's still going to be E X T R E
M E L Y rich afterwards, richer than most people could ever imagine.
If he was REALLY trying to be nice, he's give away ALL his money and
come back down to the level of the rest of us.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JM)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Of course, there is a down side...
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 10:33:33 GMT
On Wed, 6 Dec 2000 11:43:06 +0200, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
("Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>"Goldhammer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> >>> > what basic functionality is notepad missing?
>> >>>
>> >>> Apparently, the ability to edit text -
>> >>> that would, after all, be "basic text
>> >>> editor functionality". From this we can conclude that
>> >>> notepad is really a text _viewer_, and does not incorporate
>> >>> editing functions. Yeah, that's the
>> >>> ticket. :)
>> >>
>> >>It can most certainly edit text.
>> >>Why do you claim that it can't edit text?
>> >
>> >OK, it can barely edit text, but that's about it. For Christ's sake,
>> >there are less than 10 shortcut keys in the whole thing! You can't
>> >even use Ctrl+S to save. It's a good job I've got emacs for Windows.
>Ctrl+S - Save
Nope.
>Ctrl+N - New
Nope.
>Ctrl+O - Open
Nope.
>Ctrl+P - Print
Nope.
>Ctrl+F - Find
Nope.
>F3 - Find next
Yes.
>Ctrl+H - Replace
Nope.
>Ctrl+G - Go To
Nope.
>Ctrl+A - Select All
Nope.
>F5 - Enter Time & Date
Yes.
>Exactly 10 shortcuts key. :)
2.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JM)
Subject: Re: OS Installation Help?
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 10:33:34 GMT
On Wed, 06 Dec 2000 06:45:05 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
(kiwiunixman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>An 80gig driver is only around $NZ1100 (around $US400).
Hos big is it?
>kiwiunixman
>
>JM wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 04 Dec 2000 23:48:42 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
>> ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I'm expecting to get a new hard drive in the next few weeks :) Let's
>>> say it's an 80 gig drive.
>>
>>
>> Jesus Christ! How much is that going to cost?
>
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From: Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 12:31:19 GMT
Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>
> "Chris Ahlstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > Of course, for greater realism, you can write it as a service and install
> > it as an administrator. You can intercept the the Ctrl-Alt-Del sequence
> > using the Win32 API.
>
> You can't intercetp C-A-D in a user mode program. And again, installing it
> as a service requires administrator privs.
Well, I believed my answer was within the bounds of your
original assertion. Those bounds, as I can see by reading
the thread, are contracting.
In any case, you originally were talking about a password-capture
program. The default ctrl-alt-del calls up a task window with
6 choices. Anyone with admin priviledges (which, by the way,
can be obtained using a null session), can install trojan versions of
the system executables that are used, I would ass|u|me. Ever hear
of root kits?
Chris
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